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chant dhames
14th of August 2006 (Mon), 22:09
Was wondering if i could get some advice from others who might have been in this position before. I did a photoshoot with an up-and-coming band awhile back and some graphic design as well: CD cover, tray cards and panel layouts. The bands Indie Label is handling all the finances.

Nothing was ever signed, and all the dialog and agreements have been done through emails. The problem of course is that after all this work, I haven't been paid. Now that the work has been turned in, the label has stopped communicating with me. It's been about 3 months since I last heard from the label, via email or phone conversation. The bands album is due out the 16th of Sept.

Part of the deal was that I would grant them limited rights for electronic reproduction and distribution throughout the internet only. They had to go through a license page on my website and checkmark that they agreed before being given rights to view/copy these images so that they could promote themselves via the internet. My intent was to make my earnings off the print material or rights to print material.

I'm also finding copies on the web photoshopped by fans and groupies of the band which bothers me to no end- i've warned the band members about this several times and with little success. Secondly, the band/label/distributor has started printing my graphic work to promote the release of the CD as banners, flyers, promotional material etc, and modifying where they feel they need to...

So my problem is three parts:
1. I'm not getting paid.
2. Fans and groupies are going crazy on the internet manipulating my images that the band released, some even going so far as putting their "copyright" on the material after they've manipulated it.
3. The album material i created for them is being printed, manipulated, distributed to promote the album, and, here's what bothers me most; I suspect being sold as print material (t-shirts, band paraphanelia etc..) without any sort of advance notice or negotiation.

I charged them a 1-time fee for the graphic material, naively assuming we could renegotiate for promotional print-work. I'm sure they're assuming that one-time fee released them from everything (a fee they have yet to pay). The lead singer has promised that if the label doesn't pay me, that he will after the release but my trust is now hard earned.

So here I am in desperate need of some advice. I'm a photographer and artist, and not much of a business person yet. This is my first big deal and they appear to be taking advantage of it. How do I proceed?

liza
14th of August 2006 (Mon), 22:18
I'm not sure you can since they paid you for the "graphic material." And I'm assuming that you had nothing in writing?

chant dhames
14th of August 2006 (Mon), 22:42
They have NOT paid me for the material. And no, I have nothing in writing other than E-mail correspondence discussing what they needed, reworks, and talk about payment.

fivefish
15th of August 2006 (Tue), 00:11
>How do I proceed?

Chalk it up to experience... Next time you'll know better.

Never, ever deliver anything without getting paid at least 90%. Always have big PROOFS on your graphics so they can't use it to send to the print shop. After delivery, then you collect the remaining 10%.

Sorry for the bad news. But you're more knowledgeable now after this experience and that's a good thing.

MHP
15th of August 2006 (Tue), 03:30
>How do I proceed?

Chalk it up to experience... Next time you'll know better.

Never, ever deliver anything without getting paid at least 90%. Always have big PROOFS on your graphics so they can't use it to send to the print shop. After delivery, then you collect the remaining 10%.

Sorry for the bad news. But you're more knowledgeable now after this experience and that's a good thing.


Agreed, there's not much else you can do. Always have a written and SIGNED contract and license. especially when there is a company involved and the amount of use of the grafix in your case.

All is not lost though, I would say it would be a very good project to have in your portfolio.


Mark.

MikeMcL
15th of August 2006 (Tue), 04:10
well at least you have the satisfaction of a job well done. they obviously love the product, and are using it like crazy.

If your internet communications are specific and you have agreements in them, you may be able to salvage some bit of "contract" verbage. if there was a specific agreement and they are outside of this, you may be able to do something in small claims court.

consult an attorney, probably more expense than it is worth, but if you are really ticked off...

dont ever give a useable product to someone without payment. my Mom doesnt even get the digital version of the family pictures without me letting the check clear first. lolz

IndyJeff
15th of August 2006 (Tue), 09:17
Have you registered the images,if your in the US? If you have then you have some recourse, if you didn't register them well chalk it up to experience and move on. An IP attprney probably won't touch it. You may be able to get into small claims court and argue your case yourself.
Emails showing that payment was asked for before delivery and , hopefully, agreed upon by the end user could make your case stronger.