Photoshop CS and RAW: is it THIS simple ???

[arde]

Hi all,

I think I am dreaming.....please confirm my dream :-)

Got my photoshop CS (mac version) last night and the first thing I tried to do was opening a RAW file coming from my 10 D. I was amazed that the file opened right away and very fast. I did not have to import the file, I just had to open it...

Tweaking the RAW file was also very easy. Within 30 seconds most images were OK and ready to send out in JPEG to the online printing service.

Before I got Photoshop cs, I was fighting with those RAW files! First a non-linear conversion to a 16 bit .psd or .tif file, using DC-RAWx or the Canon FVU, and then a FM action with the right icc profile. Cost me at least 5 minutes per picture.

WOW, photoshop cs is GREAT!!!

Does anybody know if photoshop cs automatically takes the right color profile for the camera the pictures were taken with?
As far I can see one does not have to select a specific camera type (or icc profile) first. So I suppose Photoshop cs recognises the camera type automatically.

This looks so well done I can hardly believe it....

Best regards,
Ard'e

[iwatkins]

Good init ? :) :)

No Canon software left on my machine (apart from printer drivers). Just BreezeSys DownloaderPro to get images off the camera/cards and from there everything is in PS CS.

As for settings, if you set up the RAW import to use Camera settings "As shot" everything will come in as you intended. I hope I understood your question.

Actually, just reread it. Yes, in my case the RAW import seems to switch between Adobe RGB and sRGB inline with what I set on the camera.

Cheers

Ian

[MrEWorm]

Woot! Woot! Woot!
CS upgrade arrived yesterday!

Now I am really lost. Its like using a tin snips to cut fingernails. I see a program named Image Ready is packaged in, what does this program do?

[arde]

Jolly good indeed, I am beginning to believe it ;)

My question about the icc profile is about the specific color profile for the camera, not about the colorspace.
Sorry I was not very clear on that.
So the information that tells Photoshop cs how to handle the -camera specific- RAW data from the 10D in order to get 'correct' colors and brightness.

A 10D icc color profile was part of the Fred Miranda 10 LPbatch action I used before but I *think* something like it is embedded in PS cs.

Again, another thing not to worry about anymore ;)
Hooray for Adobe for this great version of PS!!

regards,

[CyberDyneSystems]

MrEWorm wrote:
Woot! Woot! Woot!
CS upgrade arrived yesterday!

Now I am really lost. Its like using a tin snips to cut fingernails. I see a program named Image Ready is packaged in, what does this program do?


I'm sorry,. this is totally off topic but I had to reply!

As I just read this, in my left hand was a pair of angle nippers for cutting electric cable,.. i was using it to trim my nails!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am not joking! As I read this! :D lol

[CyberDyneSystems]

P.S. I don't have CS,. but I think I rmeebr Image Ready is for either of two things,. or both. Pre-press settings before you would send an image to a printing shop.. and or readying an image for publication to the web?

I think?

[PhotoAZ]

Image Ready is an addin program that helps in setting images for the web. Great for converting your images to GIFs or roll overs.

My copy of PS CS is on the way too. Can't wait and have already deleted the Canon software.

[psk4363]

To all of you waiting for your copies of PS CS I can tell you, as a user for the past 3 weeks, that the wait is well worth it - not just for the RAW converter embedded into CS but for lots of other things aimed at us digital photographers! Just take a look at the shadow/highligh adjustment tool!

IMHO the best version of PS to date and as improved as when Adobe introduced layers into version 4 (I think it was 4!)

Cheers,
Barry

[PacAce]

arde wrote:
Does anybody know if photoshop cs automatically takes the right color profile for the camera the pictures were taken with?
As far I can see one does not have to select a specific camera type (or icc profile) first. So I suppose Photoshop cs recognises the camera type automatically.


From what I can make out, CS gets the color profile for each photo from what you have specified (at the bottom left hand side) in the RAW window. If there is a way to tell CS to use the profile that was specified in the camera instead of what's specified in the CS RAW window I haven't found it yet.

[toddb]

My copy of CS isn't going to be here until Monday, however, in Photoshop 7, under the edit in the menu is a "Color Settings" option. Here you can specify to automaticly change to your systems color system, ignore it , or leave it as is. I recently got the Colorvision Spyder but I still havn't got it all figured out.

That's great to hear about RAW files opening up fast and easy. Do you have as much control as "FileViewerUtility" that comes with the Canon camera? What I mean is there a way to adjust the exposure 2 stops in either directions??

My biggest question, and I guess I'll find out soon enough, when you resave the image, how much of the camera info is saved like apature and shutter speed settings? When you open the RAW, do you have all the same info available as in FileViewerUtility?

[PacAce]

toddb wrote:
My copy of CS isn't going to be here until Monday, however, in Photoshop 7, under the edit in the menu is a "Color Settings" option. Here you can specify to automaticly change to your systems color system, ignore it , or leave it as is. I recently got the Colorvision Spyder but I still havn't got it all figured out.

What you're talking about here is setting the color profile for your work space and whether color profiles for incoming files are to be used, ignored or converted.

The previous poster was asking whether the color profile that was used in taking the photo is automatically preserved when converted from RAW within CS.

toddb wrote:
That's great to hear about RAW files opening up fast and easy. Do you have as much control as "FileViewerUtility" that comes with the Canon camera? What I mean is there a way to adjust the exposure 2 stops in either directions??


Not sure if it's 2 stops but there is a way to adjust exposure whicn in itself is a big plus over File Viewer Utility. And there are other neat adjustments you can make to the RAW image as well. :)

toddb wrote:
My biggest question, and I guess I'll find out soon enough, when you resave the image, how much of the camera info is saved like apature and shutter speed settings? When you open the RAW, do you have all the same info available as in FileViewerUtility?
When converted, there are a couple of EXIF info save but not all of them. AAMOF, even when you view the RAW EXIF, you don't get all the info that's available with File Viewer Utility. But you do get most of the important ones you would care about (I think).

[PhotoAZ]

Just got my copy yesterday and the first thing I did was check out the RAW convert. All I had to do is direct the browser to the folder with raw images in it. Click on a file and the RAW converter was there.

As to the question is the PS converter better than the Canon convert the answer is a big YES. Not only did the image look better in just the preview mode without any adjustments but you have full control over exposure, sharpness, saturation, along with fine controls over color channels and white point adjustment.

No regrets over deleting the Canon software. (Yes I know this is a Canon forum but they make great cameras but lousy software. They would be far greater off offering Adobe coupons).

[dtrayers]

iwatkins wrote:

As for settings, if you set up the RAW import to use Camera settings "As shot" everything will come in as you intended. I hope I understood your question.


Ian

The only "As Shot" parameter CS respects is the white balance. Sharpness, Saturation, etc. has to be manually adjusted. Sharpness, saturation, etc. in the raw converter is the same irrespective of the camera settings. Contrast this to Breezebrowser, which uses Canon's dll's for raw conversion. With that program, it DOES look at the camera settings in the EXIF and adjusts accordingly.

So, if your shooting RAW, the only camera setting PS-CS will look at is white balance (as shot). It doesn't matter what the other settings are.

[iwatkins]

Ah OK, that makes sense.

I say "As shot" as I don't use any sharpness etc. parameters on the 10D. I just shoot RAW with the selection set to AdobeRGB on the camera. I'll have to look at this again.

Regardless, the RAW import works great. :)

Cheers

Ian