new eos 400d come out

[missme]

its showed on Canon China

http://www.canon.com.cn/front/canon/news/backend_news_detail.jsp?id=2319

[missme]

new camera's name is 400D, 10MP, anti-Dust,2.5"LCD, 9 points AF

[Hermeto]

Couldn’t see much in that site..:cry:
DPReviw will probably have it any time now..

[Hermeto]

new camera's name is 400D, 10MP, anti-Dust,2.5"LCD, 9 points AF

If it has all that - and everything else the same as 350D, it’ll beat Sony A100 hands down..

[kram]

that's weird - to have it only on Canon China website!!

[missme]

and two new lens

EF 50mm f/1.2L USM
EF 70-200mm f/4L IS USM

http://www.canon.com.cn/front/canon/news/backend_news_detail.jsp?id=2322

[missme]

that's weird - to have it only on Canon China website!!

not weird cuz china is the largest digi camera market in the world

[grego]

Guess they read this forum. 50 1.2!! Dante should be in love.

[Johnny Thunder]

Translated with Google

Challenges for the new standards-based digital Chan Fan-Canon EOS 400D and issued digital cameras Danfan; EF lens products （2006-08-22）

http://www.canon.com.cn/down/news/images/news_060822_02.jpg August 24, 2006, Canon (China) Ltd. in Beijing issued a 35-mm single lens reflective camera digital new products EOS 400D (http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&langpair=zh-CN%7Cen&u=http://www.canon.com.cn/front/product/product_main.jsp%3Fid%3D2285&prev=/language_tools). This new product with a number of the latest technologies from Canon, with outstanding picture quality, mature design and perfect functions for induction-level digital cameras Shanfan established higher standards. EOS 400D (http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&langpair=zh-CN%7Cen&u=http://www.canon.com.cn/front/product/product_main.jsp%3Fid%3D2285&prev=/language_tools)10.1 million effective pixels using new CMOS image sensor with integrated dust removal system is the most advanced and equipped with 2.5-inch wide-area automatic offer LCD,9 point autofocus system, rich photographs style Airframe delicate portable.
"This is the long-awaited market products to be 10 million pixels and improve the removal system level marked EOS 400D (http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&langpair=zh-CN%7Cen&u=http://www.canon.com.cn/front/product/product_main.jsp%3Fid%3D2285&prev=/language_tools)Entry level digital cameras Danfan will lead into a new era. "Canon (China) Co., Ltd. Department senior general manager of consumer products images information Jigangda sang said," Canon is a long history of camera manufacturers, but also digital video industry leaders, sets in the areas top technology advantages, EOS 400D (http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&langpair=zh-CN%7Cen&u=http://www.canon.com.cn/front/product/product_main.jsp%3Fid%3D2285&prev=/language_tools)Performance closer to the professional level digital cameras Shanfan also have higher Xingjiebi. "
The boundary pixels CMOS image sensor and high-performance digital video processor.

Image sensor and digital image processor two core technologies, determine digital cameras in picture quality Danfan the performance. Canon independent development and manufacture of CMOS image sensors with Xinzaobi high, wide dynamic range, low transmission speed and consumption advantages EOS 400D (http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&langpair=zh-CN%7Cen&u=http://www.canon.com.cn/front/product/product_main.jsp%3Fid%3D2285&prev=/language_tools)Use APS-C size (22.2 x 14.8 mm) CMOS image sensor, lens focal length conversion factor is 1.6 times, which reached 10.1 million effective pixels, maximum resolution photographs to 3888 x 2592 pixels, ISO sensibility scope of the installation by 100 to 1,600. ensure that the lighting in various conditions can be used EOS 400D (http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&langpair=zh-CN%7Cen&u=http://www.canon.com.cn/front/product/product_main.jsp%3Fid%3D2285&prev=/language_tools)The picture quality was excellent.
Canon independent development of the second generation of high-performance digital image processor DIGIC II, the unique structure and processing algorithms for high picture quality and high-speed image processing at the same time achieve its high-resolution CMOS image sensors with the combination of photographs with rich details and a realistic sense of the true colors restored.
The complete removal of functional

Dan Fan for digital camera lens can be an important advantage for shooting different subjects photographs facilitated. However, the replacement lens in the process, outside dust very easily into Airframe house, once dust in the image sensor, attached to the photographs, may be visible, resulting in lower picture quality. EOS 400D (http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&langpair=zh-CN%7Cen&u=http://www.canon.com.cn/front/product/product_main.jsp%3Fid%3D2285&prev=/language_tools)Canon introduced the EOS develop new integrated dust removal system, which is a curb dust including the generation, accumulation and removal of a comprehensive and effective measures for sensor dust, EOS 400D (http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&langpair=zh-CN%7Cen&u=http://www.canon.com.cn/front/product/product_main.jsp%3Fid%3D2285&prev=/language_tools)Danfan also become digital cameras, Canon EOS 1, with the dust functional models. EOS 400D (http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&langpair=zh-CN%7Cen&u=http://www.canon.com.cn/front/product/product_main.jsp%3Fid%3D2285&prev=/language_tools)Airframe internal (such as the shutter unit and serial Gai, etc.) used to contain dust crumbs from agencies and materials, and conducted Kangjingdian processing, which can greatly reduce dust particles all the time and the adsorption process. For the removal of dust, EOS integrated dust removal system following three measures : Since cleaning sensors modules (Self Cleaning Sensor Unit), removal functions (Dust Delete function) and manual cleaning sensors.
First, since the cleaning sensors modules
EOS 400D (http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&langpair=zh-CN%7Cen&u=http://www.canon.com.cn/front/product/product_main.jsp%3Fid%3D2285&prev=/language_tools)There are three levels of CMOS optical sensors former low-tide, low-tide sensors and sealed together, dust only chemical components in the sensor most of the first outer layer optical low-tide, without entering internal components. In the first top-tier low-camera installed piezoelectric elements, piezoelectric components produced by ultrasound vibration to the first tier in the low-tide accelerated vibration, thereby causing chemical in his dust, the dust will adhere ended in the first tier of 25-40 low-bottom filter material. In EOS 400D (http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&langpair=zh-CN%7Cen&u=http://www.canon.com.cn/front/product/product_main.jsp%3Fid%3D2285&prev=/language_tools)The acquiescence of, cameras, sensors switch on the machine and communications modules can be activated automatically since cleaning; Switch on the machine may also be required under state through the establishment of manual activation of the menu functions. Clean sensors modules since about 1 seconds each time, it can effectively remove most of the dust through. Canon EOS cameras filmed priority is always the design ideas, since the sensors clean modules work, half will be interrupted by the camera shutter button and immediately return to shooting clean state to ensure that photographers not to miss the decisive moment.
Second, dust removal function
For some special minor or special Nien stubborn dust, sensors modules may be difficult to effectively clean since removed. To deal with this situation, EOS 400D (http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&langpair=zh-CN%7Cen&u=http://www.canon.com.cn/front/product/product_main.jsp%3Fid%3D2285&prev=/language_tools)The removal functions will be very effective, through this function, one can check out the material in the low-level image size and location of the dust removal data, and their subsequent removal of data added to the image data, pictures, then Digital Photo Professional 2.2 software through random to the removal of image data effectively reduce dust impact or dust effects reduced to less than aware of the extent.
Third, the manual removal
Through the camera menu "clean sensors" functional and lock up reflective panels, opened the shutter curtains, gas blowing softly blew onto the dust in the sensor components.
The comprehensive professional functions and further enhance performance.

EOS 400D (http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&langpair=zh-CN%7Cen&u=http://www.canon.com.cn/front/product/product_main.jsp%3Fid%3D2285&prev=/language_tools)Introduced with the same high-precision 9:00 EOS 30D automatically wide area autofocus system, compared with the previous generation of products, automatic light autofocus function in a weaker environment. 35 meter zone evaluation system provides evaluation meter, and the central focus of local orbital average orbital three ways. Use the 2.5-inch 230,000 pixels offer LCD, a menu and browse photographs more clearly, convenient, the screen brightness can be adjusted in the context of 7 level, the highest brightness than the EOS 30D and EOS 5D raise about 40%. LCD above the closing show additional sensors, sensors to detect eye to people close to the optical span devices to film, with the closure of an LCD showing avoid bright LCD cause eye irritation. EOS 400 with "style photographs (Picture Style)" function. Choose different photos style, as the film features different options to meet different shooting intention, in addition to the pre-set standards, portrait, landscape, neutral, reliable and monochromatic set up six, three more since the definition photographs style. Each style can to Ruiduo, contrast, saturation, and other parameters for fine-tuning, unlimited meet photographic creativity. EOS 400D (http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&langpair=zh-CN%7Cen&u=http://www.canon.com.cn/front/product/product_main.jsp%3Fid%3D2285&prev=/language_tools)11 Since the definition of functions, user-friendly habits on the basis of their own creation. Which prolonged exposure Jiangzao functions could be designed as "automatic" camera automatically detect exposure time to reach or exceed 1 seconds photographs, Jiangzao.
Speed performance digital cameras Danfan important indicators, EOS 400D (http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&langpair=zh-CN%7Cen&u=http://www.canon.com.cn/front/product/product_main.jsp%3Fid%3D2285&prev=/language_tools)The activation speed is 0.2 seconds, Lianpai rate reached 3 Zhang / s, a maximum of 27 shooting Zhang Zhang JPEG or 10 raw photos. Shutter speed range is 1/4000-30 seconds, the maximum flash synchronization speed of 1/200 seconds.
The good compatibility of the EOS system.

EOS 400D (http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&langpair=zh-CN%7Cen&u=http://www.canon.com.cn/front/product/product_main.jsp%3Fid%3D2285&prev=/language_tools)Overall balance of the 60 compatible Canon; EF lens series, including Canon specifically for use APS-C size CMOS image sensor digital camera designed Shanfan EF-S programs such huge lens group for shooting various topics users a comprehensive solution. EOS 400D (http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&langpair=zh-CN%7Cen&u=http://www.canon.com.cn/front/product/product_main.jsp%3Fid%3D2285&prev=/language_tools)Ex series Speedlite flash support, to ensure the E-TTL II environment can be optimized in various flash exposure. Battery boxes and handle BG-E3 facilitate vertical shoot to install 2 NB-2LH lithium batteries, can be installed 6 5th batteries.
The connectivity and software.

EOS 400D (http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&langpair=zh-CN%7Cen&u=http://www.canon.com.cn/front/product/product_main.jsp%3Fid%3D2285&prev=/language_tools)A USB 2.0 high-speed transmission interface, through the cameras embedded PTP transmission agreement, cameras and computers can directly connect photo transmission, or with the support of PictBridge cameras will be connected to the printer and print photos directly.
EOS 400D (http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&langpair=zh-CN%7Cen&u=http://www.canon.com.cn/front/product/product_main.jsp%3Fid%3D2285&prev=/language_tools)Random with the latest version of Canon digital cameras Shanfan solution EOS digital solution disk Ver. 13, including specifically for digital camera applications development Danfan the EOS 195,000 1.1 (Windows/Macintosh) strong professional image processing software Digital Photo Professional 2.2 (Windows/Macintosh) check images and editing software ZoomBrowser ex 5.7 (Windows) /ImageBrowser 5.7 (Macintosh), the raw image processing software raw Image Task 2.4 (Windows/Macintosh); PhotoStitch 3.1 software image combinations (Windows/Macintosh).
The family of two; EF lens star.

"L" is the first letter of the English words luxury in the EOS series Shanfan cameras use; EF series lens, red "L" as a symbol of the highest optical quality of Canon. And EOS 400D (http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&langpair=zh-CN%7Cen&u=http://www.canon.com.cn/front/product/product_main.jsp%3Fid%3D2285&prev=/language_tools)There are also issued two; EF lens new products, which are new members of the L lens, with a distinct personality and outstanding image quality.
The new lens; EF 70-200mm f/4L is USM.

Canon launched in 1999 Yuanshe photography; EF 70-200mm f/4L USM sets excellent optical quality and lightweight portable characteristics favored by many users. With the popularity of digital cameras Danfan, users will browse or photographs enlarged print, more convenient than ever, cameras and camera instability caused problems more easily blurred images shown. In such cases, an increase of is (Image Stabilizer) optical image stabilizer new products; EF 70-200mm f/4L is USM will help users shooting clearer picture.
; EF is USM 70-200mm f/4L optical lenses structure is 15 Group 20, which includes one of fluorite lenses and two pieces of ultra-dispersive (jump) lenses. It is 1.2 metres recently stabbed distance, using circular ultrasonic motor-driven automatic autofocus lens, quiet and speedy and has a full-time manual autofocus function. Canon is optical image stabilizer available to the largest number of four stalls shutter speed Fangdoudong results. Better results raise dust and waterproof sealed Ti performance. Scene optical components are used environmental unleaded glass materials.
The new lens; EF 50mm f/1.2L USM.

There will be a large-calibre professional focus has always been; EF lens series of the most watched products to their excellent image quality and strong performance of a large number of amateur photographers dream. Canon first use of high index of refraction glass manufacturing large-calibre high-precision non-spherical lenses have excellent resolution and contrast, the big winner of the second focus of imaging to become a USM; EF 50mm f/1.2L f/1.2L II USM EF85 mm section after another shooting portrait photographs weapon.
; EF 50mm USM f/1.2L optical lenses structure is six groups of eight, including one of the non-spherical lenses. Recently stabbed distance of 0.45 metres, eight films circular aperture can be very soft, the focus imaging. In conjunction with the use of digital cameras, Chan Fan, super spectral coating technology effectively curbed images and flicker phenomenon. Circular ultrasonic motor-driven automatic autofocus lens, and a full-time manual autofocus function. New sealed more effective dust and waterproof drip effect. Scene optical components are used environmental unleaded glass materials.

[kram]

Guess they read this forum. 50 1.2!! Dante should be in love.

And I'm sure a lot of people are getting their credit cards out - yes, its the 70-200 F4 IS !!!!!!!!!!!!

[kevinsyn]

Hmm... 50mm f1.2L... must.. get

[blonde]

i got my money ready for the 70-200 f4IS as long as it is under $900 :)

[Johnny Thunder]

I want to try the 50 1.2L, rumor was putting the price in at $300 less then the 85 1.2L, and I do enjoy saving money...

-Johnny

[kram]

i got my money ready for the 70-200 f4IS as long as it is under $900 :)

Will be a tough choice between the 70-200 F4 IS and 100-400 IS.....

[kevinsyn]

I want to try the 50 1.2L, rumor was putting the price in at $300 less then the 85 1.2L, and I do enjoy saving money...

-Johnny

300 less? oh god i'm going to be so unbelievibily broke....

[missme]

but where is the new 1ds????????????????????????

[Johnny Thunder]

probably wont be announced until Photokina, on the 26th, Dunno really.

Looks like the wife gets a new camera though, perhaps the 300D will get shipped off to get an IR conversion

-Johnny

[grego]

i got my money ready for the 70-200 f4IS as long as it is under $900 :)

I'd say don't bet on it. IS defintely racks up a price. I'm thinking it'll be around the 24-105 and the 70-200 f/2.8L. The good news though, is people probably selling their f/4's will offer even better prices for ppl looking to get one of their first L's.

[Coco-Puffs]

that's weird - to have it only on Canon China website!!

i just checked Canon (JPN) but nothing about it.

[mrkgoo]

It has loads of new feature, but mostly to attract consumer level buyers:

10MP (to aid in the MP war)
9 autofocus points (I normally only use the one anyway)
larger 2.5 screen which is 40% brighter than 5d and 3oD (nice, finally!)
Picture modes (wouldn't use, probably)
Anti-dust, plus dust delete (software, i assume - nice, but I don't need it for now - I'm ok just blowing, and I don't get dust spots up till f22 generally, which I hardly EVER use).

But nice entry. It's just strange that the mid level dslr, at least on the firstline MP basis is now less than the entry level.

[EpHeSuS]

Wouldn't this make it somewhat better than the 30D? Anti-dust, 10mp are better and 9 point AF sounds like the same as in the 30D...

[mrkgoo]

Wouldn't this make it somewhat better than the 30D? Anti-dust, 10mp are better and 9 point AF sounds like the same as in the 30D...

It does, doesn't it?

But the 30D has spot metering! :0

And larger mag body, and iso3200.

Again, most of the upgrades seem to be consumer-level attractions. I still want a 30D or 5D.

[EpHeSuS]

It does, doesn't it?

But the 30D has spot metering! :0

And larger mag body, and iso3200.

Again, most of the upgrades seem to be consumer-level attractions. I still want a 30D or 5D.

That's true. Wonder if Canon will sneakily release a 40D or something.

[Dante King]

Guess they read this forum. 50 1.2!! Dante should be in love.

Believe it when I see it in my shop!!!

[grego]

anti-dust? What a marketing gimic!

[Dante King]

Oh and DAMN, if this is true, I just shelled out for a 20" lcd display and a quad core g5 PLUS the 300 2.8 will be mine for real in a little time here.

Oh well, how expensive can a 50 1.2 be?

[blonde]

I'd say don't bet on it. IS defintely racks up a price. I'm thinking it'll be around the 24-105 and the 70-200 f/2.8L. The good news though, is people probably selling their f/4's will offer even better prices for ppl looking to get one of their first L's.

well, if it is around $1100, i would much rather buy a 70-200 2.8IS second hand. however, even if it is $1100, it is still very good value considering the great focal length AND low light abilities. it will also be weather resistent which i would love to have...

[blonde]

Oh and DAMN, if this is true, I just shelled out for a 20" lcd display and a quad core g5 PLUS the 300 2.8 will be mine for real in a little time here.

Oh well, how expensive can a 50 1.2 be?

i would say about $1600...

[grego]

Oh and DAMN, if this is true, I just shelled out for a 20" lcd display and a quad core g5 PLUS the 300 2.8 will be mine for real in a little time here.

Oh well, how expensive can a 50 1.2 be?

Wow, nice job.I got to visit your diner during my summer break. Probably around what blonde said. Comparable to the 85 1.2, im guessing.

well, if it is around $1100, i would much rather buy a 70-200 2.8IS second hand. however, even if it is $1100, it is still very good value considering the great focal length AND low light abilities. it will also be weather resistent which i would love to have...

I agree. But look how many ppl have shelled out for the 24-105 f/4. IS + lighter lens might appeal to some.

And then remember the f/2.8 vs f/4 + IS debate with the 24-70 vs. 24-105.

[Dante King]

come out grego, we could have some fun.

[blonde]

I agree. But look how many ppl have shelled out for the 24-105 f/4. IS + lighter lens might appeal to some.

.

that is the exact reason why i would want the 70-200 F4 IS. i LOVED the size and weight of the F4 non IS and i would be willing to sacrifice the 2.8 in order to have a lighter more compact lens.

[grego]

Well, I'm going to hug my baby, my 70-200 IS regardless. :lol:

[Sweedishcarrot01]

hmmmm

[missme]

http://forum.yorkbbs.ca/attachments/month_0608/forumid_52/20060823_013025_19.jpg

[missme]

http://forum.yorkbbs.ca/attachments/month_0608/forumid_52/20060823_013025_48.jpg

http://forum.yorkbbs.ca/attachments/month_0608/forumid_52/20060823_013044_44.jpg

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[michael_]

so the 30D which is what 10 months old has been superseeded? i cant understand their logic

[mR_CaESaR]

so the 30D which is what 10 months old has been superseeded? i cant understand their logic
same, but hey its canon, the 30D will be released as a 40D in february :)

Canon's "low end camera" has matched their "mid range camera" in every way possible but the 1/8000 shutter, spot meter and build.

Just seems too weird that canon would make a new sensor for their lowest end camera and nothing for their higher end cameras.

If memory serves me right, it was the 1 series that got new sensors which was then passed down to their lower end series.

Surely you can only do so much with a 10mp Digic 2, iso 1600 will probably be shocking otherwise they would have introduced it on the 30D, don't know wha tto think really...

Although i for one will most likely stick out the 20D until a "3D" comes out.

[Khaled]

It's the 350D that got superceded, not the 30D.
Isn't the 30D few ( 3-4 ) months old ?

[grego]

so the 30D which is what 10 months old has been superseeded? i cant understand their logic

It's not the 30D's replacement. It's the 350D's. Remember the D80 is coming out too. That's the rival of this 400D.

The next model of the 30D should be the 40D if they count right. But even with the new 400D, the 30D will still have its advantages over it.

[mrkgoo]

so the 30D which is what 10 months old has been superseeded? i cant understand their logic

Supersceded how?

Most of the features are consumer-level marketing - the only feature I really feel I'm missing out on is the larger brighter screen (than my 350D).

The 30D still has (I think):

Spot metering
Magnesium, large body
1/8000 max shutter
Iso 3200 (does it?)

which are much more appreciated for that market.

Some would argue that teh 350D was already better than the 20D, since it basically had all the featrues at a much lower cost - yet people still bought the 20D.

[Lord_Malone]

and two new lens

EF 50mm f/1.2L USM
EF 70-200mm f/4L IS USM

http://www.canon.com.cn/front/canon/news/backend_news_detail.jsp?id=2322

EF 50mm f/1.2L USM My prayers have been answered.Time to start saving some cash. Anyone need a slightly used 50 1.4? ;)

Honestly, I'm not ecstatic about a new Digital Rebel or the 70-200 f4L IS. I'm perfectly happy with the current 2.8 IS version. Weight matters not to me. OTH, I've been screaming for a 50 f1.0L replacement forever.

[michael_]

lol i know its not the 30Ds but as Mr Ceasar said its a better camera bar iso, build and spot meetering, if someone was in the market for a new camera and had the 30D or 400D in front of them which are practically the same and the 400D will be cheaper what would they choose? to me it seems they have simply cut out the 30D sales to those wanting more than a 350D but not as much as a 5D now they can just get the cheaper 400D alternative

[Johnny Thunder]

the 30D has a higher flash sync as well, I believe (250 vs 200)

I believe the 30D was just a filler body, I cant imagine its a lot of work to swap out the sensors, they are the same size (from a manufacturing POV, not at the Consumer level!)

I do hope that the 30D is going to get a revamp to compete with the D200, that would make the most sense in my twisted mind, Time will tell however.

-Johnny

[Moppie]

So far it appears the only refernce to it has been on a chinese website.

However, I did find this link with more details, and even a price:
http://www.amatteroffax.com/ItemPage.asp?INVID=419832&TAB=2#PGE

[grego]

lol i know its not the 30Ds but as Mr Ceasar said its a better camera bar iso, build and spot meetering, if someone was in the market for a new camera and had the 30D or 400D in front of them which are practically the same and the 400D will be cheaper what would they choose? to me it seems they have simply cut out the 30D sales to those wanting more than a 350D but not as much as a 5D now they can just get the cheaper 400D alternative

If you look at megapixels, sure. But then there's no big diff between about 2mp's. You have to look at the buffer, FPS[likely still be 3], ISO 1/2 or 1/3 stop, the control dial on the back.

[Lord_Malone]

So far it appears the only refernce to it has been on a chinese website.

However, I did find this link with more details, and even a price:
http://www.amatteroffax.com/ItemPage.asp?INVID=419832&TAB=2#PGE

LOL

[michael_]

true grego but i have found alot of people who are beginners buying the 30D because of the LCD screen over the 350D and nothing more, canon have now lost those sales in my opinion with the intro of the 400D, but hey its bound to happen with so many cameras in your range.

[grego]

true grego but i have found alot of people who are beginners buying the 30D because of the LCD screen over the 350D and nothing more, canon have now lost those sales in my opinion with the intro of the 400D, but hey its bound to happen with so many cameras in your range.

I really don't see a loss in sales. Its just how they are distributed that can vary. The newbies were always likely to buy the 350D and some shell out for the 30D because of the screen.

But then when you get knowledgable people(basically the regulars around here), you'll have people either buying 20D/30D's or 5D or 1D series, if their funds permit. Rarely do you see them drop back down to the lowest level camera.

Same goes for Nikon. They will release the D80 and they have the D200. They'll have some similar specs, but if you use both, you'll see why one costs more and is better.

I see this more as a reponse to counteract the D80, which will sweep the floor of the XT at the current state(if Canon didn't respond for that price range).

[Lord_Malone]

Personally, I can't wait for the new 1D/1Ds hybrid to be announced. Hopefully that'll drive down the prices of the Mark II and Mark II N a little more.

[DDA]

Well, it seems that the page has been removed from Canon website ;-)

[grego]

Well, it seems that the page has been removed from Canon website ;-)

Probably because someone let the cat out of the bag or someone played a huge joke. So which choice would you prefer? :)

[DDA]

I don't mind.. I won't bite for the 400D (I had my 350D in February) and for the lenses, I am right now looking at a longer range ;-)

[Michael]

Looks pretty cool. I got my 30D a few weeks ago so im sticking whit that, besides, im happy with it.

Mike

[grego]

Looks pretty cool. I got my 30D a few weeks ago so im sticking whit that, besides, im happy with it.

Mike

You'd actually be downgrading yourself so to speak if you replaced your 30D with the possibly 400D. :lol: So yes, be happy! :)

[rakesh]

Does anyone is having the actual 400D specs in details. I tried the Canon China link but it gives error.

Regards

Rakesh

[Lord_Malone]

Probably because someone let the cat out of the bag or someone played a huge joke. So which choice would you prefer? :)

I hope someone let the cat out the bag too early. That would really be a cruel joke. If anything, at least let the new 50mm be real.

[gkuenning]

It's painful for me, because I've been hoping to get a 30D for Christmas. I don't really want a 400D, but the way it's positioned implies that there might be a 40D in the near future. If they wait until February to announce it, and obsolete my wished-for shiny-new 30D, I'm going to pout so much I'll leave lip prints on my LCD screen.

Why can't Canon time their announcements to the holidays? Don't they have any compassion for those of us who have to beg for our stuff? :-D

[Lord_Malone]

It's painful for me, because I've been hoping to get a 30D for Christmas. I don't really want a 400D, but the way it's positioned implies that there might be a 40D in the near future. If they wait until February to announce it, and obsolete my wished-for shiny-new 30D, I'm going to pout so much I'll leave lip prints on my LCD screen.

Why can't Canon time their announcements to the holidays? Don't they have any compassion for those of us who have to beg for our stuff? :-D

I say get your 30D for Christmas and be happy. Holding out for the latest and greatest equates to missed photo opportunities, and is a sure sign of gear-headness. ;) FWIW, there are D60, D30, 300D, 10D, 20D and 1D shooters out there still making great photos with their "primitive" cameras.

[grego]

second LM's comments. The successor to the 30D probably won't come out until next fall at earliest. Nikon already came out with their big dog, the D200 which the 30D is battling.

[chris clements]

One thing I'd bet on is that it WON'T be called the 40D.
The number four is considered unlucky in Japan

[grego]

One thing I'd bet on is that it WON'T be called the 40D.
The number four is considered unlucky in Japan

Well who knows. They did make a 30D after they had a D30, which was pure genius.

[Lord_Malone]

One thing I'd bet on is that it WON'T be called the 40D.
The number four is considered unlucky in Japan

According to that logic the new DR shouldn't be designated as a 400D. If in fact there is going to be a 400D, then it's fairly safe to assume that the 30D replacement will be given the nomenclature 40D.

[olz]

Well... I'm perfectly happy about my 20D. Unless it breaks I see no reason to upgrade for years. I'm more interested in the Tokina 16-50mm f/2.8.

[red hot sheep]

After looking at the picture of the 400d, it does look like canon have put in some kind of textured grip, which is good. There is a clear 'lip' just below the shutter, at the left edge. It almost looks like rubber. Compared to a 350d, where there is no lip:

http://www.fotocasiondigital.com/imgs/productos/canon-350d.jpg

[farrukh]

After looking at the picture of the 400d, it does look like canon have put in some kind of textured grip, which is good. There is a clear 'lip' just below the shutter, at the left edge. It almost looks like rubber. Compared to a 350d, where there is no lip:



Also shutter button is black now. Thats BETTER!

[jiggling_john]

Now cue a raft of new "Should I upgrade 350d - 400d??????????!!!!! HELP" threads.... We should stick it in the faq right now :-p

Sounds good for the sensor dust system, that'll blatantly become standard on all eos's now. But, like people have been saying, there's at least a new 1d to come, maybe more. Exciting stuff....

I wouldnt mind a 50mm f1.2 either, then again, I wouldn't like a second mortgage so maybe i'll give it a miss...! Surely this means the 1.4 will get cheaper now though?

[red hot sheep]

I just hope the dust mechanism is implemented nicely - for example a menu option when camera is on. I hope it doesn't clean before starting up because this means you have to wait 1-2 seconds.

[farrukh]

I just hope the dust mechanism is implemented nicely - for example a menu option when camera is on. I hope it doesn't clean before starting up because this means you have to wait 1-2 seconds.

Yes absolutely!!

[ohalexis]

This does not look legit to me, probably someone who happened to have access to one of Canon's web server made this bug joke. lol

[kram]

Also shutter button is black now. Thats BETTER!

Is it black? Still see it the shiny metallic white as far as I can tell....

and not that I care about that being made black ;)

[kram]

This does not look legit to me, probably someone who happened to have access to one of Canon's web server made this bug joke. lol

I seriously doubt it. Could have been that the person uploaded it earlier than was supposed to. I would have expected atleast Canon japan website to have it at the same time. And now they have pulled it down - sure it will come back as a worldwide release soon :)

And yeah, the 70-200 F4 IS better be real...

[farrukh]

I guess 50 1.2L should be around $600. Easy focal length.
But since its L, Im not sure:rolleyes:

[kram]

This does not look legit to me, probably someone who happened to have access to one of Canon's web server made this bug joke. lol

Has this really been pulled down from Canon site? Then it should officially belong to the rumors section ;)

[Doctor Diesel]

but the 50L is the 'flagship' lens so they will shove a couple of hundred dollars on it just because they can!

[farrukh]

Is it black? Still see it the shiny metallic white as far as I can tell....

and not that I care about that being made black ;)

Also wondering whats that green thing behind shutter button?

[Livinthalife]

One thing I'd bet on is that it WON'T be called the 40D.
The number four is considered unlucky in Japan

good point, though 40 isn`t unlucky...especially the combination 40D! I think that IS lucky! :)

[blonde]

I guess 50 1.2L should be around $600. Easy focal length.
But since its L, Im not sure:rolleyes:

no way will it be below $1000- 1500. you can look at the 85 1.2 and the price should be fairly similar...

[SuzyView]

I am not convinced the 400D will ever be for me. I am still looking for the replacement to the 5D, and yes I know it may not come for a little while. I am patient. I have gotten used to the heavier 10D-20D bodies with heavy lenses and I think you can only go so far before you realize that the disposable in the purse is taking pretty good pictures already. I don't think I will give up the mid-range series quite yet for the 400D. But if this news is true, Canon is doing a good job courting the beginners market and some of the pros even.

I will probably try to get a used 70-200 f4 if the IS is true for the new lens. I don't mind the non-IS because I will most likely use a monopod or tripod with it. And the 50 1.2 is a dream for me, not reality. But have fun, those of you watching and having your triggers at the B&H site for when this comes on. I can't believe how fast this thread went onto 5 pages. I was asleep! :(

[braduardo]

Tag!

[peterdoomen]

Also wondering whats that green thing behind shutter button?

Idiot mode? It starts to blink when composition is bad, lightning is off or model is ugly?

P.

[DDA]

I just hope the dust mechanism is implemented nicely - for example a menu option when camera is on. I hope it doesn't clean before starting up because this means you have to wait 1-2 seconds.

I don't think there is any risk of this happening. If the cleaning is automatic, it will be at shutting off, not at startup... ;-)

[05Xrunner]

Man if that 70-200f4IS comes out
YEP...I will be upgrading from my f4 for sure

[digibeet]

so, is this right?
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=109107

[braduardo]

Man if that 70-200f4IS comes out
YEP...I will be upgrading from my f4 for sure

Good! My gf needs one (so she'll stop wanting mine...)

[farrukh]

so, is this right?
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=109107

Nice find :)

[Andy_T]

good point, though 40 isn`t unlucky...especially the combination 40D! I think that IS lucky! :)

Is it not in Japanese? From my limited knowledge of Chinese, I'd say it is certainly considered an 'unlucky' number, as this is written 'se' (four) 'shi' (ten) and - like in four - 'se' means 'to die'. The number 44, of course, tops is...

Best regards,
Andy

[JohnStewart]

I've been thinking about buying a 350D, and have been browsing these forums over the past couple of days to check out owner feedback, prices, popular lens choices etc.

I have noticed (according to www.camerapricebuster.com) that prices in the UK for the 350D body (now just under £400) and with the kit lens (best now under £435) have dropped noticeably today, so perhaps the suppliers are clearing their stocks of this camera to make way for it's replacement ?

I wasn't planning to by until later next month anyway, but I'm now faced with the dilemma of grabbing a bargain on the 350D whilst stocks last, or paying a premium for the new model when it comes out (presumably a few months from the official announcement ?).

Sadly my budget and ablity don't quite stretch to a 30D yet.

John

[SuzyView]

Four is an unlucky number in Cantonese, people avoid it.

[jiggling_john]

I've been thinking about buying a 350D, and have been browsing these forums over the past couple of days to check out owner feedback, prices, popular lens choices etc.

I have noticed (according to www.camerapricebuster.com (http://www.camerapricebuster.com)) that prices in the UK for the 350D body (now just under £400) and with the kit lens (best now under £435) have dropped noticeably today, so perhaps the suppliers are clearing their stocks of this camera to make way for it's replacement ?

I wasn't planning to by until later next month anyway, but I'm now faced with the dilemma of grabbing a bargain on the 350D whilst stocks last, or paying a premium for the new model when it comes out (presumably a few months from the official announcement ?).

Sadly my budget and ablity don't quite stretch to a 30D yet.

John

welcome, John.

To be honest... I'd buy the 350d. at that price, its a steal, it's certainly not out of date and all you'd lose is a few pixels and anti dust... Hmm, nothing a blower wont solve :)

[JohnStewart]

Thanks for the welcome. Certainly does seem a bargain, so just hope there are some left when I get paid next month. Then comes the problem of what lens(es) and acessories to get, but thanks to this forum I'm starting to get my head around the various options :)

[jiggling_john]

you aint gonna run out of places to buy the 350, dont worry :)

Don't get too stressed over lenses etc, EF lenses are going no where for a long time yet, so you've plenty of time to decide what to get and when. I suppose which you end up getting will depend on what you want to shoot, but if you're starting out, get the kit lens - you may as well as it costs next to nothing with the body, and maybe a 50mm f1.8? They're stupidly cheap and will help you learn about primes/depth of field etc and you'll get some great portraits and low light shots out of it.

just a few ideas to confuse you a bit more :-p

[ybmtnt]

Here's what you're looking for.

Canon EOS 400d / Rebel Xti

Main page (http://hem.bredband.net/content/canon/index.htm)


http://hem.bredband.net/content/canon/370d_xti/xti/06082301le2.jpg
http://hem.bredband.net/content/canon/370d_xti/3701.jpg

http://hem.bredband.net/content/canon/370d_xti/3702.jpg
http://c14.statcounter.com/counter.php?sc_project=1814165&java=0&security=2451bd47&invisible=1 (http://www.statcounter.com/)


EOS REBEL XTi / 400d




Dust removal system
10.1 megapixels CMOS sensor (3888x2592)
APS-C sensor (22.2x14.8mm)
1.6x crop factor
2.5 inch wide 230,000 pixel LCD with 7 contrast levels. (40% brighter than 5D)
9 point autofocus
ISO 100-1600
DIGIC II processor
3 point dust removal system consisting of a) dust removal via ultrasound vibration; b) dust cloning via software (DPP 2.2 software); c) traditional physical dust removal via sensor cleaning.
35 zone metering
Picture Style: Portrait, landscape, neutral, relaible, monochrome
.2 second start up time
3 frames/sec for 27 jpeg or 10 RAW
Shutter speed 1/4000-30 Sec.
X-sync 1/200
Compatilbe with 60 EF lens and all EF-S lens.
Speedlite support
E-TTL-II
BG-E3 grip
NB-2LH battery
USB 2.0 high speed
PictBridge support
Direct print function

[jiggling_john]

whats the source of that?

[farrukh]

http://hem.bredband.net/content/canon/400d/index.html

[DDA]

Compatilbe with 60 EF lens and all EF-S lens.

IF all this is true: why 60 EF lenses and not all? Or is there "only" 60 EF lenses???

[kriskent]

the 50 1.2L would definitely have a space on my drybox beside it's little brother the 35 1.4L, its sister the 85 1.2L and his cousin the 135 2L

[AeroSmith]

http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/23/canons-400d-10-1-megapixel-dslr/

[Andy_T]

Or is there "only" 60 EF lenses???

Yes, there are 'only' 60 EF lenses made by Canon. (third party lenses obviously don't count)
Should be sufficient for most users :wink:

Best regards,
Andy

[flawlessly]

Four is an unlucky number in Cantonese, people avoid it.
Suzie, so are you Cantonese? :)

[DDA]

Allright, thanks. I was just surprised as they wrote a number foe EF and all for EF-S. I couldn't believe the camera woud not be compatible with all the lenses...

[Stavhp]

Shame they havent given it the 5fps though! thats one of my reasons for wanting the 30d

[peatoire]

Sounds pretty good.
I wonder if the 350d battery grip will be compatible.

[roanjohn]

Hmmm..........I don't know about y'all...........but I love upgrading my Rebels. I've had all the Rebel from the 300D, 350D and now (hopefully) the 400D. I think they are the best bang for the buck..........and they are lightweight, reliable - with image quality that is on par with high end Canon/Nikon DSLRs..........I guess I'm just a sucker for small, light, stealthy cameras.

Oh...........and the 50 f1.2!!!

[Hermeto]

The link jbmtnt supplied couple of posts above says that it accepts the same, BG-E3 grip..

[jiggling_john]

does it now... hmm, i wasn't interested until i read that... damn!

[peatoire]

The link jbmtnt supplied couple of posts above says that it accepts the same, BG-E3 grip..
Nice! (dusts down credit card)

Additional bonus: The fiance won't even notice I've upgraded ;-)

[05Xrunner]

the thing i really hate about this camera. There is no display screen for shutter speed and apature like there is now. I hate that its 1 screen now unless these pics are not real. It seems more like a P&S with 1 screen. I like 2 screens and preferbly the status screen on the top like the all the other cameras

[peatoire]

Hmm I know what you mean I like the 2 screens too. I think it looks a bit 'shopped though. Hopefully Canon haven't done away with the smaller lcd. It will be a bigger drain on battery too having to keep it lit to see aperture, exposure and such.

[In2Photos]

Hmm I know what you mean I like the 2 screens too. I think it looks a bit 'shopped though. Hopefully Canon haven't done away with the smaller lcd. It will be a bigger drain on battery too having to keep it lit to see aperture, exposure and such.

Most of what was on that second screen is in the VF. Maybe they just added some more stuff to the VF then.

[05Xrunner]

Most of what was on that second screen is in the VF. Maybe they just added some more stuff to the VF then.
I think it would be a pain to look through the VF to change your shutter speeds or av...not having that 2nd screen is really dumb I think

[In2Photos]

I think it would be a pain to look through the VF to change your shutter speeds or av...not having that 2nd screen is really dumb I think

I guess call me dumb then because I use the VF to change shutter speed and Av.

[peatoire]

Might be ok for some, but all said and done, they look like they'll be closing options down if the pic is right.

[ybmtnt]

whats the source of that?

Click the link that reads - Main Page

[Nortelbert]

One thing I'd bet on is that it WON'T be called the 40D.
The number four is considered unlucky in Japan

Maybe they'll call it the Digtal Kiss-Kiss :-)

[kram]

Or the Digital 'Kiss and makeup' :)

[CoolToolGuy]

Or the Digital 'Kiss and makeup' :)

Is that one of the new Picture Styles? :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Livinthalife]

the thing i really hate about this camera. There is no display screen for shutter speed and apature like there is now. I hate that its 1 screen now unless these pics are not real. It seems more like a P&S with 1 screen. I like 2 screens and preferbly the status screen on the top like the all the other cameras

Well it's a fake... that screen on the back with all the settings is the EXACT same as the sony...somone just copyied and pasted it.

[05Xrunner]

Well it's a fake... that screen on the back with all the settings is the EXACT same as the sony...somone just copyied and pasted it.
I am glad to hear that

[4830Deuce]

which sony? Linky to picture of it?

[Livinthalife]

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/SonyDSLRA100/Images/Features/lcdmonitor.jpg

From the review of the sony on dpreview.... BTW I held that sony alpha and it felt so cheap and fragile...I have NO 2nd thought about my XT

Actually just looked back...it does appear a bit different but so similar I thought it was the same...Anywa, I still think it's fake...Why would Canon completely change the styl of how the setting sre shown???

[Sir Tony]

which sony? Linky to picture of it?

Alpha

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydslra100/page4.asp