30D owners.. Will you downgrade?

[farrukh]

There is a new sensor in 400D. More megapixels. So If it performs better than the sensor of 20/30d. Would you downgrade to 400D?

[Lord_Malone]

If I currently owned a 30D, the answer for me would be a resounding NO. The 30D isn't exactly "ancient technology" and the introduction of a new sensor won't make the 30D images any less superb.

[grego]

I don't know anyone in their right mind who'd do that. That's pretty eehhh. The megapixel difference is negible. It'll still have a similar built quality and the buffer and fps probably won't be as high.

I'd defintely go with no.

[Andy_T]

I don't understand the reactions here.

I certainly would consider to ... no, not 'downgrade' ... but 'get a backup body' :wink: if I was a megapixel aficionado...

Best regards,
Andy

[Neilyb]

Squeazing 10MP onto a crop sensor didn't do Nikon any good in the noise stakes, so it remains to be seen how it performs, certainly I would take 8.2MP low noise over 10MP high noise (especially if the noise reduction removes detail :|)

After upgrading to a 5D I couldn't go back to the plastic fantastic... :)

[Michael]

Since I just got the 30D I wont be Downgrading to the 400D. The extra megapixels aren't really that important to me. And the noise issues mentioned above aren't a plus.

Michael

[farrukh]

Well Its a new sesnor and its from Canon and not Nikon. D70 (6 megapixel) had more noise then the D200 (10 MP)

So what if 400D's sensor @ ISO 1600 generate same noise as 30d's ISO 800, and more dynamic range aswell?

[jiggling_john]

haha, this is a comedy take on the "should i upgrade" thread...

no one in their right mind would ever downgrade is the serious answer. Newer models higher up the range will always come out - you're not gonna have arange of cameras where the lower end models are cheaper and better specced than the more expensive ones.

As for a backup body, it's really rather tempting when the prices level out to what the 350d is now.

[Doctor Diesel]

YES, I'll downgrade my 30D to a 1d Mk III....ha ha ha!

but seriously, new technology doesn't degrade what is already there and quite frankly, the 30D is already bloody marvellous!

[michael_]

no chance in hell, its going to have a similar body to the 350D which i hated

[tiktaalik]

Not a chance. Even if they manage to cram in more pixels without increasing the noise, the extra 2 megapixels is not that much of an increase at this stage.

Anyway, I'm not believing any internet rumor about new cameras until the official announcement.

[Tsmith]

Absolutely not.

[Neilyb]

Considering the number 4 is not liked in Japan is it likely to be the 400D ?

[SuzyView]

I don't know. I'll ask my mother. The number 4 is pronounced almost exactly like the word "death" which is avoided in China and the word for hundreds sounds a lot like "white" which is a good word. I'll have to think about this one.

[liza]

I'd buy a 30D before I'd buy the new Canon offering. The picture I saw shows that there's no command dial and that it has a plastic housing. No thanks! I skipped Canon's entry level consumer line when I bought the 20D. This is really a disappointment.

[Hermeto]

Well, the difference between 350D and 400D is pretty much the same ‘disappointment’ as it was the difference between 20D and 30D, I’d say.. :rolleyes:

[S. William Davis]

No Way for me, I like my 300D and my 30D but never liked the small bodyed 350D,,if it was more like the 300D body maybe I would up grade my back up 300D.
Sam

[1stKnight]

I'm currently using the 20d - have done since it first came out - and whilst I resisted the urge to upgrade to the 30d, I will very likely opt for the next successor to the line.
I wouldn't downgrade and go for the 350 successor no matter what feature improvements it has, after all, the 30d will be upgraded at some point and no doubt be hailed as a better camera.

[flawlessly]

Well, the difference between 350D and 400D is pretty much the same ‘disappointment’ as it was the difference between 20D and 30D, I’d say.. :rolleyes:
You are absolutely right! However, like some of us who are looking for a new body, or getting into DSLR world, the 400D is a must instead of buying old 350D. The situation is the exact same as mine, why buy 20D when you can get a 30D for almost the same amount of money? ;)

For Canon, the new 400D will attrack more new DSLR users then us to upgrade older model. That way, Canon will have more profit on selling lenses and accessories. They hide people always working on marketing... ;)

[Andy_T]

Well, the difference between 350D and 400D is pretty much the same ‘disappointment’ as it was the difference between 20D and 30D, I’d say.. :rolleyes:

Absolutely not, IMO.

The 30D had the same imaging sensor and chip as the 20D, with minor feature modifications and a larger display.

The rumored 400D has 25% more pixels and - most likely - an improved image processing chip. So far, Canon have - at their dslrs - always managed to get a fractional improvement in pixel count without lowering noise performance.

So what would I do? ... I would wait for the 35D/40D (don't think this name is correct) that would soon be released after the 400D... :lol:

Best regards,
Andy

[sam0329]

I used to own a XT and 30D, my experience told me the size of XT is a little too small, 30D is about right, plus when you are doing wedding or shootings that required you to change camera setting quick, 30D is the right tools, sometimes I think it have a more user friendly menu. And, seriously, how big a diff in print size 2MP can make? I dont think its that much.

[Woolburr]

This camera is aimed squarely at one market...those folks considering the Sony Alpha. Just look at the features...this is not an upgrade to the 30D line...it is an upgrade to the entry level line.

[GSH]

The only reason to downgrade would be if your hands have shrunk since buying the 30D.

As this new "400D" still appears to have the same toy-sized plastic body it's probably of little interest to the majority of 30D (or even 20D) owners.

Megapixel count is an irrelevance. The old 1D still outperforms just about every camera that followed it other than its direct replacement.

[flawlessly]

You are right Dan, so I didn't look that closer to it.

[calicokat]

nope, 30D is great

[Tommy]

I'm with everyone else on this.... no way I'd "downgrade" my 30D. The couple of extra mega pixels won't do much for me. I'll just wait until the 40D (if that's what it would be called) comes out, and even then, I still might not upgrade.

- T

[Wilt]

It is not merely about pixel count!
There are fundamental differences in the 'entry' level bodies (300/350/400) vs. the 'step up' bodies (20D/30D/40D) that make the entry level not appealing to those with pro feature needs (to fire studio flash with 300/350/400 you need a hotshoe adapter, for example) or 5fps or more firing rate.
Plus, there is the chassis size that made the smaller camera unappealing for many...just look at the guys who love the brute 1D bodies!

[4830Deuce]

Im waiting for a REAL improvement in sensor technology to upgrade... MP is meaningless to me and a lot of other pro and semi-pro photographers at this point. Considering I and many others don’t make prints large enough for just more MP to be a reason to switch bodies... Dynamic Range and all around IQ is what I’m hoping for in canons next innovations... Lets press the limits of all these nice lenses... That would be a real treat for all of us...

[Stan43]

I don't thi8nk it's a dissapointment. If anything Canon has kept pace with competition in the entry level DSLR market. They most certainly will follow suit with the professional lines as well.

[buze]

Hold on guys, what is the body cover of your 30D, 5d made of, exactly ? I mean the actual cover...
Yes. it's plastic. Exactly the same plastic as the 350D is. So cut the bull**** about the "plastic fantastic" 350D; I played for a few days with a 5D, it had /exactly/ the same plastic feel as the rest of them.Same plastic doors, same plastic buttons; including the very pro "print" button.
If you want something that doesn't feel plastic, get a rolleiflex or other. Modern SLRs are covered in plastic.
As for size, my Leica M2 is smaller than the 350D. Nobody ever complained it was "too small". Seems modern photographer have 10 thumbs and 2 left hands nowadays.

As far as the 400D is concerned, I'm curious about the lack of LCD (as in liquid crystal display, not "picture screen"). Seems they will have to power the screen on to see basic informations you used to see readily in the LCD. That seems like an odd (and not very practical) choice. Having your large "bright" screen iluminating your face when shooting is not going to be very discreet either.

[SimonG]

Hold on guys, what is the body cover of your 30D, 5d made of, exactly ? I mean the actual cover...
Yes. it's plastic. ...
Curious... Canon's White Paper (http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EOS-5D-White-Paper.pdf) for the 5D indicates that the camera has a mag-alloy body covering a stainless frame, and this is confirmed on the Canon website (http://www.canon.ca/english/index-products.asp?lng=en&prodid=843&sgid=23&gid=2&ovr=1&epage=viewall). This fact has also been mentioned by pretty much every review on the camera that I have come across. Sure, the buttons and CF door may be plastic, but the body itself is most certainly not (and I presume that this is the same for the 20/30D).

[liza]

It's magnesium alloy. Only consumer DSLR's have a plastic housing.

[ashdavid]

Considering the number 4 is not liked in Japan is it likely to be the 400D ?
Why not?

http://pds.exblog.jp/pds/1/200608/23/36/c0080036_23275455.jpg

[Tom W]

Curious... Canon's White Paper (http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EOS-5D-White-Paper.pdf) for the 5D indicates that the camera has a mag-alloy body covering a stainless frame, and this is confirmed on the Canon website (http://www.canon.ca/english/index-products.asp?lng=en&prodid=843&sgid=23&gid=2&ovr=1&epage=viewall). This fact has also been mentioned by pretty much every review on the camera that I have come across. Sure, the buttons and CF door may be plastic, but the body itself is most certainly not (and I presume that this is the same for the 20/30D).

That's correct. The 10D, 20D, 30D, and 5D all have a magnesium alloy body over a stainless-steel frame. The 1-series does also, though I suspect that there's some significant reinforcements in a few spots. I believe that the 5D has an additional piece of magnesium alloy under the handgrip that may be lacking on other bodies, but I'm not sure on that.

The XT has a plastic housing, but there is still a stainless steel core frame that locks all the vitals together.

[JMHPhotography]

At this point... it's already been said, but I'll echo the sentiment. Not only would I NOT downgrade from the 30D, I also wouldn't downgrade from my 20D either. The difference between 10.2MP vs. 8.2MP is negligable, especially considering the fact that you can shoot RAW and make larger files in PS all day long. I've known people who routinely get poster sized prints from their 10D,20D, and 30D's

[jaymrobinson]

Considering the number 4 is not liked in Japan is it likely to be the 400D ?

In Japan, the camera naming is different. The 350D is called "Kiss Digital N".

[Mark_Cohran]

Nope, no way. I have the 20D, but I certainly wouldn't replace it with this offering. I can't stand the user interface on the Rebel series. I have to have the Quick Control Dial.

Mark

[grego]

That's pretty sad, you have to use that one LCD to see all the features. Defintely wouldn't buy that as a backup body. If i was that in need, i'd go with the 350D.

One screen? That's BS!

[Lani Kai]

Not a chance. The only feature that might be useful is the dust reduction system and only if it doesn't slow things down like Olympus.

[Nzshrimper]

ermm let me think ..... erm ..... NAH ! your ok.... but thanks for the kind offer... ;)

[Lorek]

I bought my 30D only 3 or 4 months ago. I have to admit that I was regreating not to have a full frame 30D (50D?) on the market. Back in June, despite an internet search, i did not find any rumor about a possible new full frame Canon camera coming soon. I could not afford the 5D so I got the 30D. For sure it is a great camera and I won't downgrade it even to get a full frame 10 MP sensor. The 30D is a very good tool and unless you can afford a second camera AND have a vital need to work with fisheye lenses I can't see a single good reason to downgrade.

[zacker]

There is a new sensor in 400D. More megapixels. So If it performs better than the sensor of 20/30d. Would you downgrade to 400D?


lol.. youre kidding....right? Please say you are... who would down grade from the 30D to an XT with a small turbo charger (10MP) that uses more fuel (RAM) but is really slower (3FPS as opposed to 5) ? I dont think any 20D or 30D owner would unless they needed the $$$ ( savings from what theyd get for the used 30D as opposed to the 8oo bucks for the XTI) or they just want it cause its new... but then that means they prolly downgraded from a 5D to a 30D when it came out AHHHH!

[MrWills]

No I love my 30D, the size makes a big difference for me. I am curious as to its performance.

[Tsmith]

You should have done a Poll _ now that might have been interesting.

[Tommy]

You should have done a Poll _ now that might have been interesting.

I think so far your poll results would be 100% for "No, I would not downgrade my 30D". ;)

[jestergx4]

uhhhh.... NO!!

There is a new sensor in 400D. More megapixels. So If it performs better than the sensor of 20/30d. Would you downgrade to 400D?

[bidimagic]

the 400D seems to be a very nice and powerful entry-level camera ...
but no way I will trade my 20D for one of them ...

[Tareq]

i am thinking to get 1Dmk2 soon then full frame, i owned 350D and 30D, is that a downgrade?

[mbellot]

For sure it is a great camera and I won't downgrade it even to get a full frame 10 MP sensor.
Lorek, are you referring to the new 10.2mp sensor in the 400D?

If you are, its not full frame, its still a 1.6 crop like the 300/350 Rebels. The 5D is still the "cheapest" (lol) full frame DSLR available.

I'm exceptionally happy with my 20D. The incremental changes to the 30D would be nice, but not for the trade-up cost, and I don't consider the 400D an option, "upgrade" or "downgrade". Its an entry level camera aimed at taking some of the wind out of Sony's DSLR sails.

My next body will be a 1D, the only thing holding me back is the lack of a pop-up flash. :p

[Bakewell]

Interesting thread…there seems to be a lot of rationalization occurring here. Perhaps the more appropriate question would be if you were faced with a buying decision regarding two cameras similarly equipped, one with more mega pixels priced around $800 and another with a faster FPS burst speed priced at around $1200, which would you buy?
That’s the decision new DSLR buyers will be faced with. Not to mention those 300/350 users looking to upgrade…now what do I buy? This camera has to hurt 30D sales. I believe this forces CANON to shorten the lifecycle of the 30D considerably…stay tuned!

[bidimagic]

I believe this forces CANON to shorten the lifecycle of the 30D considerably…stay tuned!

mmmmhh ... this is a thing that I have also considered ... and if you think that the 30D wasn't a real upgrade from 20D it could be very possible ...

[ankurpatel]

I recently bought a 30D ... and the main reason was that the size of the Rebel XT line is too small for my hands ...

I will upgrade the body of this camera when the "mid-range" camera's get to FF Resolutions and Quality ... (16-22MP w/ matching quality) until then ... the 30D is more camera than I can handle ...

[hemuni]

The 350D is a great little camera and the 400D just improves on all the right points - yes as soon as this gets out i will get it!
I am not accustomed to sell my old body's so this might not count as a real downgrade.

The spec's doesn't say anything about ISO in the viewfinder. This is one thing i missed in the 20D/350D.

[Pete-eos]

Question is..

Would you really buy a 400D when you can get a 30D for another £150-200?!

[Mr. Clean]

I won't. I think the 30D was a mini upgrade to the 20D. Still, even when the new version of the 30D comes out I won't upgrade. You can go broke with that sort of thought process :D

[bidimagic]

Question is..

Would you really buy a 400D when you can get a 30D for another £150-200?!

It depends .. I wouldn't, but someone that it's on budget and for him the money saved could be important may give you a different answer ...
also there are people coming from P&S for whom the size and the weight matters, and the 400D is more than they really need ...

[jevidon]

a resounding no. one of the main reasons for immediately upgrading from the 350D to the 30D was the ergonomics, which become a huge factor when handholding a 70-200 2.8 IS for a large portion of the day. If I buy a new body it will be a FF like the 5D, but I'm trying to hold out for the 1DsMKII. :)

[delhi]

This is a silly quesiton. It should be targeted towards new buyers. Will they go for a 30D or the 400D? Seeing the price drops of the 30D, Canon expects the buyers are drawn more towards the 400D.

[Lord_Malone]

Interesting thread…there seems to be a lot of rationalization occurring here. Perhaps the more appropriate question would be if you were faced with a buying decision regarding two cameras similarly equipped, one with more mega pixels priced around $800 and another with a faster FPS burst speed priced at around $1200, which would you buy?
That’s the decision new DSLR buyers will be faced with. Not to mention those 300/350 users looking to upgrade…now what do I buy? This camera has to hurt 30D sales. I believe this forces CANON to shorten the lifecycle of the 30D considerably…stay tuned!

Domo arigato, Mr. Roboto?

[jestergx4]

I agree. My 30D is my first and last APS-C sized camera. My next body will be a FF. Perhaps a 5D sometime in the very near future....

a resounding no. one of the main reasons for immediately upgrading from the 350D to the 30D was the ergonomics, which become a huge factor when handholding a 70-200 2.8 IS for a large portion of the day. If I buy a new body it will be a FF like the 5D, but I'm trying to hold out for the 1DsMKII. :)

[Mathiau]

Lorek, are you referring to the new 10.2mp sensor in the 400D?

If you are, its not full frame, its still a 1.6 crop like the 300/350 Rebels. The 5D is still the "cheapest" (lol) full frame DSLR available.

I'm exceptionally happy with my 20D. The incremental changes to the 30D would be nice, but not for the trade-up cost, and I don't consider the 400D an option, "upgrade" or "downgrade". Its an entry level camera aimed at taking some of the wind out of Sony's DSLR sails.

My next body will be a 1D, the only thing holding me back is the lack of a pop-up flash. :p



how i feel, i love my 20D, sure it is what, a 2 year old camera?

buying any "rebel" would be a downgrade, the 20D and 30D already have excellent noise control, even at 1600.

the rebel has added more MP, which is more or less a myth these days, 6MP is more then enough for most ANY person, more MP comes in if you want to print masssive prints...

for me an upgrade would be to a 30D or higher, but i dont plan an upgrade for at least another 2 years :D

[jevidon]

I agree. My 30D is my first and last APS-C sized camera. My next body will be a FF. Perhaps a 5D sometime in the very near future....so it's now definately a 5D, not the 1-series. figure i can spend the extra cash on a couple more L lenses instead.

[PacAce]

There is a new sensor in 400D. More megapixels. So If it performs better than the sensor of 20/30d. Would you downgrade to 400D?
What?! Surely thou jests. :lol:


;)

[grego]

This is a silly quesiton. It should be targeted towards new buyers. Will they go for a 30D or the 400D? Seeing the price drops of the 30D, Canon expects the buyers are drawn more towards the 400D.

They'll be most drawn by the megapixels sadly. "Ooh 10 vrs 8, it must be better, and for a little bit lower price!!!"

[John Nicholas]

No to a downgrade here. I just got my 30D last month and a 70-200 2.8 IS this month. Next month if I'm lucky enough 24-70 2.8 L

I was actually disappointed in the products they introduced today but I will downgrade on that 50mm though 1.4 will do me just fine

[MitsuJDM]

If I had a 30D... no way. I want a 30D so mega badly.........

[Rhinotherunt]

Hmmm... decisions decisions.... 400D would definately be an upgrade to my 300D. LOL! I am glad they released the 400D. Makes getting the 30D easier for me. I wonder if I want to hold out a couple more months???

[Dynamic Aperture]

Why does it seems like a lot of people are insuling and degrading the new 400D and even the rebel XT line with comments like its like a "plastic toy" I have seen some very professional photos with the rebel xt 100 times better than shots taken with the 30d or 5d. Just because it is a compact SLR doesn't make it a toy. I currently own the Canon S3 and plan on upgrading to a DSLR (Canon 400D) by next summer. Im just wondering why people seem to belittle the 350d and especially the new 400d.

[Rhinotherunt]

Why does it seems like a lot of people are insuling and degrading the new 400D and even the rebel XT line with comments like its like a "plastic toy" I have seen some very professional photos with the rebel xt 100 times better than shots taken with the 30d or 5d. Just because it is a compact SLR doesn't make it a toy. I currently own the Canon S3 and plan on upgrading to a DSLR (Canon 400D) by next summer. Im just wondering why people seem to belittle the 350d and especially the new 400d.

I was seriously considering the 400D. Still think about it. I think I am going to get the 30D. Why? I utilize the PC connection (We have a 350D at work no PC connection on 300D). I want 5 fps. But don't tell anyone. I am still saying that the 400D is a great camera, and peeps should recognize it as one. ;) I would be interested in some more real world images from it...

[jevidon]

If I had a 30D... no way. I want a 30D so mega badly.........but it's not on your wish list! :lol:

[Saudidave]

Considering the number 4 is not liked in Japan is it likely to be the 400D ?

That's what the press release says!

[grego]

Hmmm... decisions decisions.... 400D would definately be an upgrade to my 300D. LOL! I am glad they released the 400D. Makes getting the 30D easier for me. I wonder if I want to hold out a couple more months???

30D at B&H with "psaug" typed into the search will get you the camera for like 1170ish plus some shipping.

The 20D's are selling used for between 700-900, so I wouldn't see the 30D dropping that much lower. If you need anything now, the 30D is defintely a safe buy.

You'll see a lot of the extras that the next level throws in, which maybe aren't seen in absolute numbers, although if 5fps interest you, there you go. 1/3 ISO is nice, especially when you are in the high end area. 800-1000-1250-1600.

[dpastern]

I'd buy a 30D before I'd buy the new Canon offering. The picture I saw shows that there's no command dial and that it has a plastic housing. No thanks! I skipped Canon's entry level consumer line when I bought the 20D. This is really a disappointment.

I'd consider buying it as a backup for my 1D - until I can afford the 8mp 1D mark IIn. Not sure how much use it'd get, it'd be only for shots where I need the MP, or lower noise than what the 1D can offer, or for very heavy cropping.

As to the build quality, what do you expect? People are continously wanting the products at the cheapest prices, something has to be made cheaper, and it's usually the body. You can't have your cake and eat it.

Dave

[liza]

I'd consider buying it as a backup for my 1D - until I can afford the 8mp 1D mark IIn. Not sure how much use it'd get, it'd be only for shots where I need the MP, or lower noise than what the 1D can offer, or for very heavy cropping.

As to the build quality, what do you expect? People are continously wanting the products at the cheapest prices, something has to be made cheaper, and it's usually the body. You can't have your cake and eat it.

Dave

As for "having my cake and eating it, too," I didn't say I wanted a cheap camera. I'd appreciate a quality product aimed at the semi-pro/ pro crowd rather than just another consumer level DSLR. And I don't shop on the cheap, but rather examine the features to determine whether or not a particular product meets my needs. This one does not. I remain hopeful that Canon will release the 1DsMkIII during Photokina as has been rumored on other forums. While I would not purchase the newer model, there would, of course, be good,used 1D MkII's available as a result of the release. I'd purchase a used 1 series camera over this new Canon offering any day. Cheap is one thing, value is quite another.

And in answer to Bakewell's question, I'd buy the $1200 camera if it had pro build quality and features. Megapixels and a bigger chimp screen seem to be more a concern of the amateur point and shoot crowd. I'll take longer shutter life, sturdier build quality, more speed, better autofocus, and a user-friendly control set up anyday.

[mbellot]

And in answer to Bakewell's question, I'd buy the $1200 camera if it had pro build quality and features. Megapixels and a bigger chimp screen seem to be more a concern of the amateur point and shoot crowd. I'll take longer shutter life, sturdier build quality, more speed, better autofocus, and a user-friendly control set up anyday.
Not to mention a larger LCD will use more power, resulting in a shorter battery life. The 1.8" display on my 20D is more than enough for casual chimping.

Better AF is what I crave most, followed by a bigger sensor (with or without more megapixels) and a bigger buffer. It still irritates me no end that Canon won't dish up the better buffering scheme used in the 30D for us 20D users. :evil:

[cjm]

I bought me another 10D this week and I have to say I like this thing better then the 20D! Would I downgrade to a XT? NEVER but to a older prosumer camera? The thought is in my mind right now.

[wiselion]

I will never give up my 30D. This time Canon Canon really fined tuned a great camera (20D) to give us the 30D. AF is so much better that it is mind blowing. If I do sell it, I would only do it to buy a Nikon so I can have that sweet little 200-400VR lens.

[Lorek]

i am thinking to get 1Dmk2 soon then full frame, i owned 350D and 30D, is that a downgrade?

If this is downgrade, I wish I could do it ! :lol:

[harrietta]

I think that a downgrade is out of the question.

The 400D is definitely entry-level, for people who are joining the world of dSLR for the first time. Like myself. I'll buy my first dSLR this fall and I was convinced until now that I'll buy the 30D. When I found out about the 400D, I was a little unsure. A beginner like me is bound to become a little confused and say "Hey! More MP? Cheaper? Gimme!" I'm sure many people who are new to dSLR think like that. But reading all these posts in the forums, I was reminded that it's not all about MP and pricing. I'm still going for the 30D because of better quality.

Conclusion: the 400D is nice and all, but why bother when you can have / already have the 30D ? It's just not worth it.

Furthermore, I think that the 400D is mainly meant for blowing the Sony Alpha out of the water. Hurray for Canon.

[Nzshrimper]

had a think about it over night... and i came to this conclusion... NAH

[DocFrankenstein]

I'd consider it.

I am building a very compact system to carry around and the XTn would be perfect for that because it's so tiny.

[fivefish]

Very happy with the 30D.

When I get my next camera, it's going to be a full frame pro body like a 5D (or 6D, 7D).

[cjm]

Conclusion: the 400D is nice and all, but why bother when you can have / already have the 30D ? It's just not worth it. That is very smart of you. Last fall when I bought my first dSLR (finally!) I bought the XT after about 1 hour of playing with it I knew the 20D was for me! Didnt buy the 20D for about 5 months after the XT though and used my Olympus until then.

Furthermore, I think that the 400D is mainly meant for blowing the Sony Alpha out of the water. Hurray for Canon.Bingo! You hit the nail right on the head. The 400D is probably very similar to the Alpha except probably better IQ overall, despite the built in Image Stabilizer of the Alpha.

[jevidon]

sony schmony.....canon has got nothing to worry about. they still remain the standard bearer for a huge community. just look along the sidelines of a major sporting event. i guarantee a 90/10 ratio of Canon vs. other cameras, if not higher.

[grego]

^It's not Sony, but Nikon they are keeping up with. J

[jevidon]

^point taken.

[Tyreman]

Quite frankly no.
Its still two different Cameras anyway.
I have given enough money to camera companies over the years anyway.
I personally think these companies love this type of stuff debated
A lot of consumers/people play into(buy into) the change game.

[TooManyHobbies]

I'm currently using the 20d - have done since it first came out - and whilst I resisted the urge to upgrade to the 30d, I will very likely opt for the next successor to the line.
I wouldn't downgrade and go for the 350 successor no matter what feature improvements it has, after all, the 30d will be upgraded at some point and no doubt be hailed as a better camera.

Exactly!

And I have seen image quality comparisons of the 400 and have not been impressed at all. It almost looks like you could upsize a 350 image and get the same quality. It doesn't even have spot metering like the 30D which is the one thing I would like on the 20D. The only thing that the 400 has over a 20D or 30D is sensor cleaning. I'm dissapointed with Canon for not offering another high end choice. There is no reason to go above 8MP, unless you have the quality of low S/N to go with it.

I have a 20D and will wait too. I'm looking for the successor to the 5D or a cheaper 16MP body to come out of Canon that has good IQ. I would love to print a 16x20 at 300ppi!

[highlandpiper]

No way, the 30D has a lot more going for it than just megapixels.

[petrolhead]

No, physically too small