So, 350D to 400D, Who all is doing it?

[Livinthalife]

So now the 400D (Xti) Is officially announced. Who all sees this as a opportunity to upgrade? It sounds like the 20D to 30D arguement. A lot of people are saying it's not enough of a difference, but I know with the 20D to 30D arguement, a lot of people found themselves upgrading despite the "small" differences.

So anyways, what's your plan?

I think I will stick with my XT untill I got the cash for a 30D or 40D :)

[sando]

Why would anyone replace their 350D with a 400? Why not just wait a while and save for a 30D or used-20D?

[Livinthalife]

I agree, but as I said a lot of people had this same exact arguement when the 30D was released. I'm just curious of the outcome of this.

Maybe some people want 10mp without owning a 5D, or want the 2.5inch LCD without buying a 30D...Everyone has there reasons...Not me though :)

[narlus]

i'm hoping that this means the price of the 30D sinks below 1K...

[cjm]

I cant see anyone upgrading their Rebel XT with a Rebel XTi since the Rebel brand is a entry level dSLR and most people looking to upgrade from a entry level will go to the next camera which is the 30D which is a TRUE upgrade to the XT and not a new XT.

Only ones I can see replacing their Rebel XT with a Rebel XTi are female photographers who what a dSLR camera but not the weight of the 30D or 20D. Yup bad argument but I think that is about it. Its like how many people upgraded from a Rebel to a Rebel XT? Not many, most bought the 20D.

[hegemon]

I'm thinking about upgrading because I just bought my 350D. I figure I if I can get $650 or $700 for it with extremely low actuations, it will be worth it to me.

[R Hardman]

Saving up for full frame.

[Carlson]

im going to finish buying my lenses i want then buy either a 30D or 5D.

[Livinthalife]

I agree, the 30D is most certainly a BIG upgrade to the XT.

I would love to see a price drop in the 30D...Which may happen...I guess we will wait and see!

[05Xrunner]

I dont think its enough...I want a bigger camera so its easier to hold. Plus I want spot metering and 5fps...so i am probably gonna either get the 30D in a few months...or see if the 40D or what ever the successor of the 20/30D is and get that.

[cdifoto]

I'm thinking about upgrading because I just bought my 350D. I figure I if I can get $650 or $700 for it with extremely low actuations, it will be worth it to me.

Not likely since it can be had brand new for $635 via PSAUG at B&H.



I think the 300D to the 400D makes more sense than the 350D to the 400D, just as I don't think the 20D to 30D makes much sense, but the 350D to the 30D does. It's about ergonomics and raw performance, IMO, not tweaks.

[ChargedUp!]

But what if you just bought the XT 2 weeks ago and can exchange/ refund it for a full refund? Do you do it then for the 9 focal points? That's where I'm at....

[cdifoto]

But what if you just bought the XT 2 weeks ago and can exchange/ refund it for a full refund? Do you do it then for the 9 focal points? That's where I'm at....

If you can exchange it with no penalty, without lying about why you're exchanging it, then by all means do so!

[Trung_EP3CTR]

Saving up for full frame.Same here.

[Tsmith]

I'm thinking about upgrading because I just bought my 350D. I figure I if I can get $650 or $700 for it with extremely low actuations, it will be worth it to me.

I have to agree with Don on this _ you'll be lucky to get $500 for it.

[hegemon]

I have to agree with Don on this _ you'll be lucky to get $500 for it.
Despite PSAUG at B&H, the camera is still retailing for $749 online and $799 in stores. Not everyone knows about B&H, and once PSAUG is over it won't matter anyway. I'm sure that I can get at least $650 if not $700 for it on eBay or craigslist, but we'll see I guess.

[Livinthalife]

But what if you just bought the XT 2 weeks ago and can exchange/ refund it for a full refund? Do you do it then for the 9 focal points? That's where I'm at....

I could care less for the extra focal points as I only use the center...Extra focal points just sounds good, but useless as far as I'm concerned.

[HunterEz]

I dont think its enough...I want a bigger camera so its easier to hold. Plus I want spot metering and 5fps...so i am probably gonna either get the 30D in a few months...or see if the 40D or what ever the successor of the 20/30D is and get that.

I'm in the same boat. I don't think going from 350D to 400D makes much sense to me.

[cdifoto]

Despite PSAUG at B&H, the camera is still retailing for $749 online and $799 in stores. Not everyone knows about B&H, and once PSAUG is over it won't matter anyway. I'm sure that I can get at least $650 if not $700 for it on eBay or craigslist, but we'll see I guess.

You'd have to find a non-photo enthusiast who happens to not have the internet to sell it to for that price...because just about everyone who's into photography has heard of B&H.

[cdifoto]

I could care less for the extra focal points as I only use the center...Extra focal points just sounds good, but useless as far as I'm concerned.

They come in handy when they're accurate...which, unfortunately, is not the case in the XT. :rolleyes:

[hegemon]

You'd have to find a non-photo enthusiast who happens to not have the internet to sell it to for that price...because just about everyone who's into photography has heard of B&H.
Then I guess if I try to sell it, I'll stay away from POTN and FM ;)

[cdifoto]

Then I guess if I try to sell it, I'll stay away from POTN and FM ;)

Local paper ad maybe? eBay....people on eBay are nuts. They pay more than retail for used quite often, but then you get hit with eBay fees...so it's pretty much a wash (sortof).

[hegemon]

Local paper ad maybe? eBay....people on eBay are nuts. They pay more than retail for used quite often, but then you get hit with eBay fees...so it's pretty much a wash (sortof).
I think in the end I'm a little annoyed that I was impatient and didn't wait a month to buy. I've just been wanting a dSLR for 6 months and finally pulled the trigger. If I had bought it 6 months ago, I don't think I'd care quite as much as I do.

[cdifoto]

I think in the end I'm a little annoyed that I was impatient and didn't wait a month to buy. I've just been wanting a dSLR for 6 months and finally pulled the trigger. If I had bought it 6 months ago, I don't think I'd care quite as much as I do.

I'd try to not worry about it and make the most of it. Get your money out of it by shooting a crapload of pics. After awhile you won't really care. Unless, of course, you're more geargeek than photographer (not that there's anything wrong with that!) :)

[Livinthalife]

Well that's the camera world. :) I bought mine nearly 8months ago, and it bothers me they released a "upgrade" but I'm sticking with what I got...We (The camera and I) have ahistory together. ;)

[ChargedUp!]

If you can exchange it with no penalty, without lying about why you're exchanging it, then by all means do so!

Nope. No lying. They have a 30 day refund/exchange policy for any reason assuming you keep your original packaging which I always do. I have about 2 weeks left for my exchange period. They're very friendly there...not the cheapest but very good service.

[In2Photos]

I voted to wait and really upgrade but if the wife and I decide to both have a camera then I woulg get the XTi which is sort of upgrading. I just don't see paying the extra money to go to the 30D for what I use it for. Eventually I would like to go to a 1DMKIIN or equivalent but that will most likely be much later, possibly never. The features present in the XTi are more than enough for my needs and I would be happy with it, just like I am my XT.

[Livinthalife]

Nope. No lying. They have a 30 day refund/exchange policy for any reason assuming you keep your original packaging which I always do. I have about 2 weeks left for my exchange period. They're very friendly there...not the cheapest but very good service.

If you can do it, then why not. Obviously there are no draw backs...except that you would have to buy more ram for the computer and more HD space lol

[sando]

I fel foer the the people who've just bought a 350D, but then again, I cant see why they would want to bother with the 40D, just for the extra 2mp and focal foints. Who actually uses anything but centre anyway? I dont on my Fuji. :)

If I had a 350D right now that i had owned for say, a year, I would probably wait for the 30D to drop and then get that, in say 3-4 months. Remember, the 30D is a relativly new camera right now.

f had just bought a 350D, I would wait until I was ready to move up (not across) and go for a 30D next year or even a 1D, the 30D wont be replaced anytime soon.

[Elbee19]

I don't even know all of the specs for this new camera, but I am not going to be upgrading anytime soon. The 350D is doing exactly what I need still and I can live with any cosmetic upgrades the 400D might have over the 350D.;)

[cjm]

I dont think its enough...I want a bigger camera so its easier to hold. Plus I want spot metering and 5fps...so i am probably gonna either get the 30D in a few months...or see if the 40D or what ever the successor of the 20/30D is and get that.That's funny. The first time I saw the XT I was looking at the 20D. My first thought was "This is the girls version of the 20D" basically because of its size, I actually dont think that is too far off that it is made for women because their hands are smaller then a mans.

But size doesnt make it a "girls camera" only the pink one would truly make it that ;) (So far no pink XT's)

[cdifoto]

That's funny. The first time I saw the XT I was looking at the 20D. My first thought was "This is the girls version of the 20D" basically because of its size, I actually dont think that is too far off that it is made for women because their hands are smaller then a mans.

But size doesnt make it a "girls camera" only the pink one would truly make it that ;) (So far no pink XT's)

It would have to say "Baby Phat" on it to be the girl version. Free lipstick and eyeliner included! :) :p

[Ewok]

I could care less for the extra focal points as I only use the center...Extra focal points just sounds good, but useless as far as I'm concerned.But the 400D gets the extra high-precision center point, which works with lenses of f/2.8 or better.

[Livinthalife]

But the 400D gets the extra high-precision center point, which works with lenses of f/2.8 or better.

good point, but to be honest, I don't think I would even notice (cuz I have no fast lenses :) except the 1.8 which always mis-focuses no matter what camera)

[cdifoto]

good point, but to be honest, I don't think I would even notice (cuz I have no fast lenses :) except the 1.8 which always mis-focuses no matter what camera)

LMAO :lol:

[JRJay]

No to the XTi, I'll be upgrading to the 30D here soon.

[Hermeto]

Nope, not me, lenses come first!
Even when I start looking for the replacement it’ll be in the direction of current equivalent to 5D, rather than 30D..

[Noel_courtney]

I,m relatively new to digital photography but after compareing the 30d with the new 400D I fail to the advantages the 30D has over the 400D.

I,m sure I,m ignorant of the differences but can someone explain what the extra cost of the 30D gets you??

[Livinthalife]

I,m relatively new to digital photography but after compareing the 30d with the new 400D I fail to the advantages the 30D has over the 400D.

I,m sure I,m ignorant of the differences but can someone explain what the extra cost of the 30D gets you??

a few
-spot metering
-5FPS (frames per second)
-metal body (more durable)
-larger body (most people like the larger body)
-Better control locations on the camera

I'm sure there are more.

[Lani Kai]

I can't live without the control dial.
Anyhow, it's funny to see that some people are content with their 350Ds until yesterday and all of a sudden they feel like it isn't a good camera anymore... Which, I suppose is what Canon wants people to think. I have no problem with that if Canon will use the revenue for good R&D. Gotta stay ahead of N*kon :D

[becknell]

I think the 400D is a good step up from the 350, for new buyers. However, if you already own a 350D then most people are either going to stick with that or upgrade to something higher than the 400D. There will be exceptions and people with perfectly good reasons but for the most part the 400D will be for new buyers. I think it's great that it will be the intro model, looks like great bang for the buck.

[farrukh]

I'll wait for the 40d

[ozziegrowl]

Yeah, same here. I think if you're coming from a 350D, it's not really that much of an upgrade. Better save up more for a 30D, or better, buy some new glass. hehehehe. I don't even think upgrading from a 300D to a 400D makes sense.

Sure, 10.8MP sounds cool. but do you really need it? seems to me, by the time you would need that large a print, you'd have bought a 30D already. hehehe. just my 2 cents

[markyb]

as a 350d owner i was wondering about getting another 350d now as a back up body. mine as got 25.000 shots on it.
plus i can carry 2 bodys. one with 24-70 L and one with 100-400 L connected.
will save switching lenses and save time.
seen 350 advertised as low as £399 body only

[kheops]

Nope, not me, lenses come first!
Even when I start looking for the replacement it’ll be in the direction of current equivalent to 5D, rather than 30D..

exact same feeling here :)

[chansh]

I will never upgrade to a 400D. When I upgrade it will be to a much better camera.

[biggpopa]

Well, I guess Canon made a few changes to the rebel....added a 10.1MP, a self cleaning sensor, 9 point autofocus and a 2.5 inch LCD.

I can't decide if I had known this in July when I bought the rebel xt, if I would have waited.....I would have like the 9 point autofocus and the LCD being larger though.

What do you guys think?

[Lightstream]

Tempted by the 400D. Very tempted. The new AF system says it all.

[biggpopa]

i'm hoping that this means the price of the 30D sinks below 1K...


Me too....but I don't think it will

[biggpopa]

I think in the end I'm a little annoyed that I was impatient and didn't wait a month to buy. I've just been wanting a dSLR for 6 months and finally pulled the trigger. If I had bought it 6 months ago, I don't think I'd care quite as much as I do.

I did the same thing, but I don't regret it. I love the camera, and i'm hoping to switch to the 30D by spring time.

[racketman]

Local paper ad maybe? eBay....people on eBay are nuts. They pay more than retail for used quite often, but then you get hit with eBay fees...so it's pretty much a wash (sortof).

my experience is that selling on e bay has become impossible since Nigerian conmen are always first in and you end up paying cost of advert with no sale (noone would be stupid enough to actually try and follow through such a sale).

[In2Photos]

I fel foer the the people who've just bought a 350D, but then again, I cant see why they would want to bother with the 40D, just for the extra 2mp and focal foints. Who actually uses anything but centre anyway? I dont on my Fuji. :)

If I had a 350D right now that i had owned for say, a year, I would probably wait for the 30D to drop and then get that, in say 3-4 months. Remember, the 30D is a relativly new camera right now.

f had just bought a 350D, I would wait until I was ready to move up (not across) and go for a 30D next year or even a 1D, the 30D wont be replaced anytime soon.

It isn't the 2 extra points, it is the fact that the entire AF system has been replaced with that of the 30D. Have you ever used the XT/350D? If so you would know that the AF is one of the biggest complaints about the camera. The 30D system is much better and is now on the XTi/400D.

[narlus]

so now the question is this (at least for me, and i expect others are in a similar situation):

is the ~$400 price difference between 30D and 400D worth it for the differences (based on the excellent chart jaymrobinson put together):

- mag body
- faster fps
- less resolution (8 vs 10)
- heavier weight
- more shots per battery charge
- 1/8000 shutter max speed
- viewfinder slightly larger
- lack of sensor cleaning
- spot metering
- controls
- potentially longer rated shutter life

of all one the ones listed above, none really clinch it for me, except for the great unknown, which is the ease of controls (spot metering is fairly significant too). i've never used a 10D/20D/30D model w/ the speed dial, so i don't know what i am missing; however, this could be the largest difference worth it to me (i do tend to change ISO, aperture and metering frequently). the body weight i'd prefer a lighter body; the mag/plastic doesn't bother me; it's not like my rebXT is showing signs of wear and abuse. the other bits are really not worth talking about either.

the biggest reason i want to upgrade my body from the rebXT is the crosspoint/fast lens increase in AF...this, i think, would make my concert shooting keeper rate increase. so it makes sense that i should look at either the 400D or 30D (the 5D is too much $, and i don't want to buy a used 20D).

the other intangible is the 'entry' level stigma the 400D will have...i feel like i've gotten substantially better in the last few months, and while i've still got loads to learn, i'm no longer a greenhorn. subconsciously, carrying around a 350D/400D will have that label applied to me wrt to some people. should it matter? absolutely no. but having better equipment can make a superficial difference. maybe i'm blathering on about nonsense here.

[DDA]

I'll keep my 350D and invest in some lenses. Maybe later I'll upgrade (but to the next range, not to the successor ;-) )

[Jamie Holladay]

I'm thinking about waiting to see what happens. I am happy with my 350D. I had rather add to my lenses and upgrade the body later. I had rather make a move upwards rather than side ways. Maybe the 40D?

[jarski]

I think in the end I'm a little annoyed that I was impatient and didn't wait a month to buy. I've just been wanting a dSLR for 6 months and finally pulled the trigger. If I had bought it 6 months ago, I don't think I'd care quite as much as I do.

exactly same story here. 6-7 monts of googling and studying the features of different models, reading forums etc.. then finally after all the waiting made my move, and after a month Canon tells that 350D is replaced by 400D.. wish there was buyers guide for Canons like there is one for Apple computers (http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/), so newbies like me would not make complitely wrong timed purchases.. anybody know one? (not that it would help me much now)

well. am going to keep my 350D anyway, try to make most of it and learn to master it..

[cdifoto]

wish there was buyers guide for Canons like there is one for Apple computers (http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/), so newbies like me would not make complitely wrong timed purchases.. anybody know one?

Ummm. Here ya go. http://photography-on-the.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=86 They're about as useful as the "Macrumors" website...

[Johnny V]

Hmm...I think I’m gonna upgrade from my XT.

First I love my XT very much but have a few complaints about it:

That small top window with camera settings is a pain in the butt trying to read in dimly lit surroundings. While trying to push the back-light button I push every other button first! With the XTi it will be convenient having one screen with all info.

I don’t like the small XT LCD monitor for image review...the Larger 2.5" LCD monitor of the XTi will be dandy! Sure it will eat into battery time...but I have seven so no big deal and I can turn it off when shooting.

My XT has OK focus but would like to have more accurate focus with the XTi as I use the 50mm 1.4 a lot.

I can sell my XT for about $400 or so...the XTi will cost me $400.00!

The XT image folders has a 100 image max that’s an annoyance as I have to open each and every folder and drag and drop into a new folder...I welcome the XTi’s 9999 images in one folder.

The XT settings can only be saved after hitting the set button...while the XTi’s setting adjustment is saved with half-press of shutter release, so very convenient and intuitive.

More Pixels...when the 8 meg XT replaced the 6 meg Rebel everyone said the jump is insignificant...now they are saying the same...come on every little bit helps in my book. I have to take advantage of my Epson 4800 printer.

Also I shoot panorama, a bigger camera like the 30D would not fit on my pano arm.

[dbett]

Local paper ad maybe? eBay....people on eBay are nuts. They pay more than retail for used quite often, but then you get hit with eBay fees...so it's pretty much a wash (sortof).


Just took a quick look at completed eBay auctions for an XT - body only. The prices range from a few at $550 or so, up to $799. Most in $600 to $700 range.

eBay buyers are stupid a lot of time.

[SoaringUSAEagle]

I'm upgrading to the 5D next month... Way past the 400D

[spoynts]

Had my 350D for about a year now and still loving it. Tempted with the 10Mp image size, but would do the same as the rest and invest in a 5D/30D/40D or what ever version there on when I'm finally able to upgrade.

[Johnny V]

Only ones I can see replacing their Rebel XT with a Rebel XTi are female photographers who what a dSLR camera but not the weight of the 30D or 20D. Yup bad argument but I think that is about it. Its like how many people upgraded from a Rebel to a Rebel XT? Not many, most bought the 20D.

Geez that's a very embarrassing statement.

I upgraded from the Digtal Rebel to the XT not because I'm woman, I'm not...the XT was just a better camera...same reason I'm going to the XTi...it's just a better camera.

I've been shooting for 30 years and was a photographer in NYC for many years. Shot with Nikons, Sinars and Hassies. The camera really doesn't make the photographer.

There were many photographers with better equipment than I that couldn't shoot their way out of a paper bag.

Give me a 30D and an XTi and I'll shoot the same...give a mediocre photographer the 30D and they'll shoot mediocre shots...though more might be in focus!

[narlus]

I'm upgrading to the 5D next month... Way past the 400D

with a price tag to match. :rolleyes:

[Neon01]

Not me. Although the larger LCD and sensor cleaning features are attractive. The extra 2 MP I really could care less about. I've had my Rebel XT for about a year and I'm still learning, so I'll continue to shoot with it for the next two years or so, then upgrade to whatever the equivalent of the 30D or 5D is at that point.

Oddly enough, the fact that the 5D is a full frame sensor is actually less appealing to me. I know it has all kinds of advantages over the 1.6x CMOS in terms of noise and such, but it'll make even reasonably telephoto lenses that are fast VERY expensive. At least right now I can get a sharp EFL 320mm f/2.8 lens for under $800 (Sigma 70-200 f/2.8). Just look at what it costs for a real 300mm f/2.8... Oh well, I'll probably do it eventually in the interest of "progress" :p

[jarski]

Ummm. Here ya go. http://photography-on-the.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=86 They're about as useful as the "Macrumors" website...

thanks, have missed that. just did not do my home work properly..

I reasoned wrongly that since recently published 30D was kept in 8 megapixels and was not that much of an upgrade from 20D, current (then) tree digit series would have a bit more mileage left that what we have now witnessed.

[jarski]

Give me a 30D and an XTi and I'll shoot the same...give a mediocre photographer the 30D and they'll shoot mediocre shots...though more might be in focus!

give me Commodore 64 from 1980's and I write better programs with it than you with latest MacBook Pro from Apple.

we are talking about value for the money, not the old debate how inferior amateurs are vs. pros or what ever self nominated wannabe gurus.

[cdifoto]

thanks, have missed that. just did not do my home work properly..

I reasoned wrongly that since recently published 30D was kept in 8 megapixels and was not that much of an upgrade from 20D, current (then) tree digit series would have a bit more mileage left that what we have now witnessed.

No prob. I don't usually go in there. I tend to even forget it exists. I can't afford anything anyway...no sense wishing for it! :) :p

[Johnny V]

> we are talking about value for the money,

Me too...the XTi is a better value for ME than the 30D.

>not the old debate how inferior amateurs are vs. pros or what ever self nominated wannabe gurus.

Not sure what you mean?

[rhys]

To be honest, I don't see an awful lot of point in upgrading from the XT to the XTi. If I get going on wedding photography (which I intend to) then initially I will get a second XT as backup but after that I'll either be heading toward a 5D or toward the full-frame 1D.

The difference seems to be there are a few more beginner modes on the XTi which make no difference to me. The anti-dust sensor seems a useful feature but I'd like to see this user-activatable instead of auto. Perhaps this is a first step toward in body IS? I don't feel the anti-dust feature is worth buying a new camera. Similarly the 10mp doesn't seem to be to be worth an awful lot of attention. 8mp will do weddings just fine. 6mp does weddings just fine. What Canon has done is to tweak the XT into the XTi about as much as they tweaked the 20D into the 30D.

[taslin]

I think I will wait for a good price on a 5D before I upgrade. Until then I will keep getting better glass. I think Dell just had an incredible price on them, but the 100 person max was too fast for me to take advantage of it.

[cdifoto]

What Canon has done is to tweak the XT into the XTi about as much as they tweaked the 20D into the 30D.

And priced them both accordingly. ;)

[Saudidave]

I cant see anyone upgrading their Rebel XT with a Rebel XTi since the Rebel brand is a entry level dSLR and most people looking to upgrade from a entry level will go to the next camera which is the 30D which is a TRUE upgrade to the XT and not a new XT.

Only ones I can see replacing their Rebel XT with a Rebel XTi are female photographers who what a dSLR camera but not the weight of the 30D or 20D. Yup bad argument but I think that is about it. Its like how many people upgraded from a Rebel to a Rebel XT? Not many, most bought the 20D.

What about blokes with bad eyes who want a bigger screen and don't like walking around with a brick? e.g., me

[narlus]

If I get going on wedding photography (which I intend to) then initially I will get a second XT as backup but after that I'll either be heading toward a 5D or toward the full-frame 1D.

but typical wedding situations are lowlight, which need fast lenses....the AF system w/ 2.8 or faster lenses is THE reason i would really consider swapping out my rebXT for the new version or 30D.

[Col_M]

I'm still undecided on my next body upgrade, i'll just upgrade when the 350D can't do what i want and to be honest the 400D will have the same limitations as the 350D so it would be more of a sidestep than an upgrade. My next upgrade will either be the 5D (or replacement) if the gig shoots i've got lined up turn into anything or a 30D/40D with the crop factor advantage for the wildlife/sports that i enjoy taking pics of :)

[jarski]

>not the old debate how inferior amateurs are vs. pros or what ever self nominated wannabe gurus.

Not sure what you mean?

propably nothing.. have tendency to read only every other word. just got impression your message was: "I was a pro, you kids cannot get there where I am, no matter how much money you burn to your equipment".

[OpticNein]

i need that dust sensor cleaner and the bigger lcd. the lcd of the rebel xt is too damn small during daylight. could not care less about the 10mp.

i'm upgrading to the Rebel XTi a.s.a.p!

[SJK]

I think it would be a total waste of money. I would not get 1 improved photo from a 400 vs. my 350. If I am going to upgrade I am going to wait for improvements that will actually help my photos. I would like to see IS or even higher ISO’s so camera shake becomes less important. Higher MP’s will also be important when they are substantial, i.e. 15-20 mp’s. I say save your money and wait for some REAL improvements.

[GilesGuthrie]

Next body I buy will be full-frame.

[narlus]

I think it would be a total waste of money. I would not get 1 improved photo from a 400 vs. my 350. If I am going to upgrade I am going to wait for improvements that will actually help my photos.

so you never shoot @ wide aperatures? i must admit that i was ignorant in the differences between the AF systems (cross-type sensor sensitivity/accuracy when used with f/2.8 and below) between the 350D and 20D/30D and now 400D cameras. i've not used one of those, but i've gotten plenty of OOF pictures with my 350D which *may* have been ok w/ the more sophisticated AF system. how many more keepers? it's impossible to say.

but it's certainly given me some upgraditis... :)

[Evan Idler]

I just upgraded my 300D to a 30D for the extra controls and feature that it offers. I looked at a 20D that was still in the box new, but decided that if I'm upgrading I might as well get the current model. I like to shoot wildlife and birds a lot, so the 1.6 crop factor is a plus. Adds to the effect of the Bigma :-)

For shooting Landscape the 400D might be a nice upgrade from the 300/350, but a 10-20 on the 30D will do the same thing for me.

It is nice to see the List price on the 400D come down. For an Entry Level DSLR Canon is now priced higher than the competition. A lot of people upgrading from Point And Shoot Cameras don't have a clue what to look for and just go with the cheepest available Upgrade. I know a couple of people that did just that :-( They didn't even ask me what one I would recomment. They like the pictures that I took on my DSLR so they wanted a DSLR too.

--Evan

[SJK]

so you never shoot @ wide aperatures? i must admit that i was ignorant in the differences between the AF systems (cross-type sensor sensitivity/accuracy when used with f/2.8 and below) between the 350D and 20D/30D and now 400D cameras. i've not used one of those, but i've gotten plenty of OOF pictures with my 350D which *may* have been ok w/ the more sophisticated AF system. how many more keepers? it's impossible to say.

but it's certainly given me some upgraditis... :)

I do, and sometimes I get better results than other times. I seem to get better results wide open with my 50 prime than my tammy zoom. I guess I always thought it was the lens. I am not that up on whether the AF would really help me with some of those flower and bug type shots. I usually try to stop down a couple clicks with my tamron because I get better results.

[beachgirl]

Saving up for full frame.


This is my plan too, When I have mastered my 350D, I want the 5D:D .

[Johnny V]

Originally Posted by Johnny V
>not the old debate how inferior amateurs are vs. pros or what ever self nominated wannabe gurus.

>Not sure what you mean?

>jarski wrote...probably nothing.. have tendency to read only every other word. just got impression your message was: "I was a pro, you kids cannot get there where I am, no matter how much money you burn to your equipment".

Sorry if my post conveyed that...didn't mean it like that. Wish I was a better writer!

I was responding to cjm post that only women will upgrade from the XT to the XTi. I found it was inappropriate.

Also another way to look at upgrading with every new model: Think of it as a way of leasing the camera. My first Rebel cost me $400.00 after rebates, sold if for $400.00 and upgraded to the XT. Will sell my XT for $400. or less and upgrade to the XTi for about $400.

[Saudidave]

Also another way to look at upgrading with every new model: Think of it as a way of leasing the camera. My first Rebel cost me $400.00 after rebates, sold if for $400.00 and upgraded to the XT. Will sell my XT for $400. or less and upgrade to the XTi for about $400.

I couldn't agree more. I bought my Olympus 765 for £220 and sold it 5 months later for £190 to fund my 350D. £6 per month or £1.50 per week or even £0.20 pence per day! Not a bad price to pay for a camera. It's a lot cheaper than the films I used to buy.

[OpticNein]

Here's how the 400D will help my photos...
dust sensor cleaner - if i see a dust on my pic and i'm in the middle of a shoot, all i have to do is turn it off and on. 2 seconds lost. Without it, I have to remove the lens, blow air, check to see if dust is gone, blow air again if dust is still there.

big lcd - if my first shot is bad, with a bigger lcd i can review the pic or histogram and get an accurate picture of where i messed up.

10.2mp - it will improve my printed picture when i print at 13" x 19". it will be sharp.

[OpticNein]

SJK ... lol ... the improvements you want WILL NEVER arrive at the 400D because it is an entry-level dslr. However, the improvements you mentioned are already available in the Canon's higher line DSLR's like the 30D, 5D, and above.
My recommendation to you is to save more money and get the 5D...to improve your pictures.

[grego]

10.2mp - it will improve my printed picture when i print at 13" x 19". it will be sharp.

8.2 is more than capable of doing 13x19. Heck, I turned a RAW file on my old 10D into 11x14 and that was 6megapixels.

[syntrix]

8.2 is more than capable of doing 13x19. Heck, I turned a RAW file on my old 10D into 11x14 and that was 6megapixels.

And if you have a good lab with a RIP you can do MUCH bigger than that with 8.2 ;)

Sorry, the extra MP in the 400D just doesn't do it for me. Plus it's gonna feel like a toy, like the 350D, anyway.

[KurtKuhn]

Ah, the 1st new model not supported by my beloved RawShooter Premium. ...snif...

I'll be waiting for the 40D and the production release of Adobe Lightroom that supports the 40D.

-KK

[Livinthalife]

So let's talk more about this new AF system. As I mentioned before, I wouldn't notice any difference in the AF since I don't have any fast lenses except the 1.8 which is horrible at focusing.

how many of you are NOT satisfied with the focusing on your XT? I have been more then happy with mine, noticed no problems. Except th e1.8 which everyone knows can not focus on 1 or 2 tries.

[grego]

So let's talk more about this new AF system. As I mentioned before, I wouldn't notice any difference in the AF since I don't have any fast lenses except the 1.8 which is horrible at focusing.

how many of you are NOT satisfied with the focusing on your XT? I have been more then happy with mine, noticed no problems. Except th e1.8 which everyone knows can not focus on 1 or 2 tries.

You'll notice AF differences in XT when you shoot sports, even with the same high quality lens. Just like you'd notice differences in the 1D compared to the 20D/30D.

[syntrix]

You'll notice AF differences in XT when you shoot sports, even with the same high quality lens. Just like you'd notice differences in the 1D compared to the 20D/30D.

What is the XT focusing on body rated at for f-stops?

[grego]

What is the XT focusing on body rated at for f-stops?

Well it lacks the cross sensors for f/2.8 or bigger lens which is being added to the 400D. As for overall AF, I would think its improved, but we'll find out when users get their hands on it. Only real way to know.

As for AF usage, I think f/5.6 is still the limit on the body. So you lose AF if you use a 2x tc on an f/4 lens.

[syntrix]

Well it lacks the cross sensors for f/2.8 or bigger lens which is being added to the 400D. As for overall AF, I would think its improved, but we'll find out when users get their hands on it. Only real way to know.

As for AF usage, I think f/5.6 is still the limit on the body. So you lose AF if you use a 2x tc on an f/4 lens.

That's what I thought. So a 400D could be a HUGE upgrade for those with fast glass. It could cure complaints about XT users having f/2.8 glass and complaining about autofocus. But most of those people don't specify their af point. Another huge plus for the the 400D are the 9af points. But if you have to use xt controls to set it, I'll hate it!

[jiggling_john]

haha! Hi grego, I have to say... The AF is 30d af, it's there in black and white on the white paper - 30d AF with slight improvement... So it's gonna produce 30d images by logic...

Having said that... 350d to 400d? No, wait until the 30d, 5d and 1d recieve their upgrades, its then you get your real move up the ladder.

New user? Buy the 400d for sure, even over a 30d for now, but a 350d owner? Wait... Time will be your saviour

[Lightstream]

Just took a quick look at completed eBay auctions for an XT - body only. The prices range from a few at $550 or so, up to $799. Most in $600 to $700 range.

eBay buyers are stupid a lot of time.

Naah. Wouldn't call 'em stupid - I'd just say they are willingly assisting us upgraders! :D

[jiggling_john]

Naah. Wouldn't call 'em stupid - I'd just say they are willingly assisting us upgraders! :D

haha! damn right! ebayers really will pay anything, and thats great news if you have a 350 and want a 400 :-p

[Lightstream]

So let's talk more about this new AF system. As I mentioned before, I wouldn't notice any difference in the AF since I don't have any fast lenses except the 1.8 which is horrible at focusing.

how many of you are NOT satisfied with the focusing on your XT? I have been more then happy with mine, noticed no problems. Except th e1.8 which everyone knows can not focus on 1 or 2 tries.
Me, with fast lenses and shallow DOF. Things like a 70-200 or the 60 macro can go to pieces on the 350D. Half the time I'm using FTM to 'steer' the 60 macro, and the 70-200 achieves focus and yields OOF shots. Wise POTN'ers said.. "use your 5D you dummy ;)" and I was enlightened :D (and grateful). Dead on focus with the 70-200 now.

That having been said I really like the light weight of the XT, that's why mine still hangs around. It's for those days when I don't feel like carrying the sack of glass like a beast of burden.


The other consideration that prevents me from buying the 400D is that if the AF system has improved so much, think of what the "40D" will bring!

As for the differences.. (my personal opinion, others may see it differently)
- mag body - naaw not really a big deal (350D gets pounded a lot more than my 5D which is treated like it was made of glass)
- faster fps - Could be. If you shoot action this is a consideration, I want 5fps
- less resolution (8 vs 10) - no. My 350D pix look great next to the 12MP 5D
- heavier weight - yes. Would prefer a lighter load on my shoulders
- more shots per battery charge - no. The small battery is plenty, charge it before you leave, and you can carry a couple of them for the size of one BP511A
- 1/8000 shutter max speed - no, not really. I have only used this feature once on my 5D
- viewfinder slightly larger - slightly - it is a fair bit larger. Big viewfinders are SERIOUSLY cool. ;)
- lack of sensor cleaning - no. Copper Hill rules!! :D
- spot metering - occasionally useful. One gets good at 'reading' the XT's exposure program and adding appropriate compensation though (this takes time to develop)
- controls - here I must admit.. the dial is sweet. I love the second QCD and the XT/XTi scores poorly for this..
- potentially longer rated shutter life - if you take less than 50K shots in 18 months, by the time this comes around, upgrade to the 450D :D

[Livinthalife]

The other consideration that prevents me from buying the 400D is that if the AF system has improved so much, think of what the "40D" will bring!



Nice quick review. I gotta agree. With these "minor" upgrades, I'm sure the 40D will be nice upgrade for someone with the XT now. The 40D WILL be better then the XTi for sure. I guess I will start saving the pennies and the occasional nickel! :)

really never noticed some of the limits of the XT. I guess I need to get some better glass to notice it though.

[rhys]

but typical wedding situations are lowlight, which need fast lenses....the AF system w/ 2.8 or faster lenses is THE reason i would really consider swapping out my rebXT for the new version or 30D.

Low-light is why I have the 420EX as it has AF assist built-in.

[Lightstream]

Nice quick review. I gotta agree. With these "minor" upgrades, I'm sure the 40D will be nice upgrade for someone with the XT now. The 40D WILL be better then the XTi for sure. I guess I will start saving the pennies and the occasional nickel! :)

really never noticed some of the limits of the XT. I guess I need to get some better glass to notice it though.
Thanks :)

The thing is, you have to come pretty far to notice the limitations because the XT isn't that limited a camera - it's a very capable one and I still think of it as that. If all I had was an XT today I'd still be making the best out of it and enjoying it. Where I run into its limitations are only in very challenging situations, ie. event photography where I need the dial to change settings REEEEAAAAAAAALLLY quickly, spot metering when shooting in the worst of lighting conditions (1/50 sec ISO 1600 at f/2 on the 50mm with black backdrop and spotlit subject), AI Servo with long big telephoto and erratic subject, and such. You can see these are exotic situations rather than everyday ones.

For the stuff I like to shoot, like landscapes, give me a 350D, 10-22 and I will still be happy..... :)

It was worth the journey to the 5D and big glass for me though, so that I can see what lies ahead and make a better value judgement. The amount of improvements tends to decrease as the cost goes up, because the last few percentage points of what we're chasing is the hardest to obtain. Still love the 5D and all of the power it affords me, but I can definitely say the 350D doesn't deserve half the flak it takes.

[narlus]

Low-light is why I have the 420EX as it has AF assist built-in.

i prefer to shoot concerts flash-free, and a lot of bands/venues won't allow flash anyway.

[RyanS0405]

Well, to add to all of this talk I would just like to state that I do sell DSLR's at best buy and I dont think many people are going to upgrade from the XT to the XTi but the realy kool thing about all of this is that Canon will now have a camera to compete with the Sony A100k which is priced right at 1K. This means that people wanting to get into a good starter DSLR will have more choices than just the XT, D50 and A100k, this will in turn mean increased competiont between the big three and eventualy bring new cameras to the market. Let's face it, for a GOOD entry level DSLR there isn't much choice, but with the addition of the XTi there might be more to come.

[XBGM3R]

really never noticed some of the limits of the XT. I guess I need to get some better glass to notice it though.LOL! you are comedy of year..


Nice quick review. I gotta agree. With these "minor" upgrades, I'm sure the 40D will be nice upgrade for someone with the XT now. The 40D WILL be better then the XTi for sure. I guess I will start saving the pennies and the occasional nickel! I really dont worry about 400D XTi.. I am so happy with beautiful 30D SLR.. You say that 40D will be relplace in next year. I am so doubt about 40D. I am so rational sense that would be definitely '35D' would be replace in next year.. who knows.. :)

[rhys]

i prefer to shoot concerts flash-free, and a lot of bands/venues won't allow flash anyway.

Well that's fair enough. Have you considered the STE2?

I'll be doing some candle-lit weddings next year so the AF assist will be handy as will FEC.

[pinarello]

oh boy oh boy...time to upgrade...come on deals...
still only have about 5000 shots on my 2 year old rebel but would like to get better/faster AF.

[cdifoto]

Well that's fair enough. Have you considered the STE2?

I'll be doing some candle-lit weddings next year so the AF assist will be handy as will FEC.

Good luck getting a good exposure without the people being blurred to snot.

[delhi]

I'm having too much fun taking pix with my XT than to be bothered with every new incarnation of a dSLR. Will buy more lens before I will even remotely think of retiring my workhorse.

[Mike R]

Now that the have "dust removal" technology I will wait until it is offered on a camera such as the 30D, then i will upgrade my original DRebel

[Dragos Jianu]

Not a big enough upgrade. In my book upgrading every generation is a huge waste of money. I would only upgrade every second or third generation. By that time you might even consider a cheap 1500$ second hand 5D. 8mp to 10mp? nea, no way.

Offtopic: seeing how lately Canon is counting on it's popularity to raise it's prices to outrageous Sony like prices (see 17-55 2.8 IS, 24-105 f/4 IS L, 50 1.2 L and 70-200 f/4 L) i'm actualy thinking of selling my 70-200 f/4 (i don't use it at all) and buying a Pentax K100 for use with a Pentax MF focusing screen and my old MF Lenses. See how i go along with it and maybe later buy a Pentax Limited 31mm f/1.8. It's actually all I would REALLY need for my type of photography and at least Pentax is not trying to crush my bank account. So i'm actualy thinking of downgrading.

[sandro9mm]

nope... I want 30D, screw rebel!

[Livinthalife]

Not a big enough upgrade. In my book upgrading every generation is a huge waste of money. I would only upgrade every second or third generation. By that time you might even consider a cheap 1500$ second hand 5D. 8mp to 10mp? nea, no way.

Offtopic: seeing how lately Canon is counting on it's popularity to raise it's prices to outrageous Sony like prices (see 17-55 2.8 IS, 24-105 f/4 IS L, 50 1.2 L and 70-200 f/4 L) i'm actualy thinking of selling my 70-200 f/4 (i don't use it at all) and buying a Pentax K100 for use with a Pentax MF focusing screen and my old MF Lenses. See how i go along with it and maybe later buy a Pentax Limited 31mm f/1.8. It's actually all I would REALLY need for my type of photography and at least Pentax is not trying to crush my bank account. So i'm actualy thinking of downgrading.

I don't know if using older lenses is downgrading.

But I also thought about it, just buy a plit focus screen and slap on some old glass. They have better buiild for the price, and I cna get some good quality glass fairly cheap..Of course I would stilll keep my canon lenses for AF and for time when I don't want to adjust every little thing.

[Dragos Jianu]

I want to buy the Pentax K100 because i can see myself getting used to it and switching systems in the future if Canon continues this outrageous new lens price policy. Pentax AF glass is outstanding, the 50 1.7 wide open beats the canon 50 1.8 at f/2.8 and the 16-47 f/4 is fantastic and oly costs 375$. Not to mention the K100/DS bodies which are outstanding. Very well built, bigger VF then the 20D, better AF points placement, more precise AF and very low noise (at least the DS 3200 RAWs from a friend beat the 3200 RAWs from my 20D).

[SJK]

SJK ... lol ... the improvements you want WILL NEVER arrive at the 400D because it is an entry-level dslr. However, the improvements you mentioned are already available in the Canon's higher line DSLR's like the 30D, 5D, and above.
My recommendation to you is to save more money and get the 5D...to improve your pictures.

The 5d is not going to improve my pictures. The xt can do more than I need it to if have the skills and talent (which admittedly I need more of). It’s not the arrow, it’s the Indian. I disagree that the features we are looking for will not trickle down to entry level dslr.s. Technology is moving at an ever increasing rate and advancements will be coming fast and furious. 15-20 mp’s and IS in a couple of years is not out of the question, and there will be other goodies built in as well.

[OpticNein]

SJK ... technology trickles down much slower with dslr's... take not of the prosumuer models.. 10D and Rebel (6mp), Rebel XT, 20D, and 30D (8mp), 5D (12mp). it trickles down slow. we've got 18 months to save for the next model. $100 a month should do it. we'll have $1800.
we all need to develop skills and talent.

[Nick_C]

I have only just bought my 350D, so im staying put for a while, its so easy to get into the upgrading fever, the same with computers, always striving to get the latest & greatest, but that costs money & lots of it.

10Mp isnt enough to warrant an upgrade, nor is the 2.5" LCD, I get on fine with my 1.8", the extra focus point to me isnt worth it either, & so all in all I am not going to upgrade.

After all, my 350D is taking superb photos, why upgrade? it isnt going to take any better photos.

I want a full frame camera, so im waiting a few years until Canon go all full frame, possibly be up to 22mp by then also.

Nick :-)

[Nick_C]

The 5d is not going to improve my pictures. The xt can do more than I need it to if have the skills and talent (which admittedly I need more of). It’s not the arrow, it’s the Indian. I disagree that the features we are looking for will not trickle down to entry level dslr.s. Technology is moving at an ever increasing rate and advancements will be coming fast and furious. 15-20 mp’s and IS in a couple of years is not out of the question, and there will be other goodies built in as well.

I agree, there is even talk of HDR cameras, I think its a waste of cash to just run out & buy the latest camera that comes onto the market just for upgrading sake.

[Mike R]

im going to finish buying my lenses i want then buy either a 30D or 5D.
Just remember that some lens are designed for cameras with a small sensor only.

[SJK]

SJK ... technology trickles down much slower with dslr's... take not of the prosumuer models.. 10D and Rebel (6mp), Rebel XT, 20D, and 30D (8mp), 5D (12mp). it trickles down slow. we've got 18 months to save for the next model. $100 a month should do it. we'll have $1800.
we all need to develop skills and talent.

They may seem slow to you but not to me. Point and shoots that will sell for a little over $300 and have 10mps and the same digic processor that is in the current 30d? have been announced and will be on the shelves shortly. The 350-400 (xt) model type will surely stay ahead of the “cheap” point and shoots. The next generation will be 12-15 mp's or more and have the next digic processor even though for me the current one is more than sufficient.

Computer processing speed and memory improvements are happening VERY fast now and they are actually getting FASTER.

[Carlson]

Just remember that some lens are designed for cameras with a small sensor only.

Such as?

my list to buy next includes

1st 24-70L
2nd 30D (maybe 40 by then)
3rd 70-200L 2.8 IS

Other hopefuls include the upgrade 50/1.4 and maybe the 85/1.8

[grego]

Such as?

my list to buy next includes

1st 24-70L
2nd 30D (maybe 40 by then)
3rd 70-200L 2.8 IS

Other hopefuls include the upgrade 50/1.4 and maybe the 85/1.8

Well with that list you are fine, but any EF-S mounts won't fit the 5D. And 3rd party like Sigma makes DC lens that will vignette like crazy, because they are made for the cropped sensor.

Some of the popular 3rd party are like Sigm's 17-70, Tamron 17-50, for example.

[dave13]

Besides the fact that I just bought my XT in December and my wife would kill me, the 10 mp isn't enough for me to justify it. Maybe for a faster fps rate and a PC socket, but at this time, no.

[grego]

Besides the fact that I just bought my XT in December and my wife would kill me, the 10 mp isn't enough for me to justify it. Maybe for a faster fps rate and a PC socket, but at this time, no.

The 400D wouldn't have a faster frame rate. So your wife wins this round. :p
You'd have to jump up to the 10D(very affordable now)or 20D or 30D for that.

[dave13]

The 400D wouldn't have a faster frame rate. So your wife wins this round. :p
You'd have to jump up to the 10D(very affordable now)or 20D or 30D for that.

I'd pass on buying those too. I have access to the studios cameras. I can pick between 10,20 and 30 D's and some old 1D's and MarkII's. This is why the wife wins most rounds when it comes to gear.

[Finalcut]

I don't think it's enough

[hodad66]

Every MP I can get... I want. I shoot a lot of surfing and
more MP's will allow me to crop that much closer. I'd
rather have a 500mm f4 but don't have that kind of money.

My 10D was the last metal body that I will buy until the
fast & furious generation turnover starts to slow down. I
picked up the XT for $350 trade. If you look at what I
paid for the 10D... I lost over a grand.

As long as Canon is serving up this kind of quality in their
plastic toys.... I'll save the cash. For my useage the XT
has been every bit as good as the 10D & unless there is
a great deal of noise in the XTi.... it will be my next cam.

I just can't wait for the plastic 5D........ :)

[cgratti]

I agree, the 30D is most certainly a BIG upgrade to the XT.

I would love to see a price drop in the 30D...Which may happen...I guess we will wait and see!


I just bought a 30D, the prices better not bottom out....LOL

[jcw122]

Neither, that's a dumb upgrade. I'd upgrade to something alot better, not something SORTA better.

[Mike Reynolds]

I like the upgrade to 10 megapixel, larger screen and 9 focussing points but I still want to upgrade to a 30D I want the better quality body & 5-shots per second, maybe they will up the 30D to 10+ megapixel

[JCR]

5D or bust for me.

Won't be for a good long while yet i'm just about able to steer the 350D I have.
400D was a smart move on canons part. It will catch the people eyeing up the sony Alpha methinks.

I also only use the center focal point, assigned the back button to it, best trick I have learned so far.

[OpticNein]

i don't care what you guys say... i am upgrading to the Rebel XTi... um, how do you guys clean your sensor dust again?

[Livinthalife]

Neither, that's a dumb upgrade. I'd upgrade to something alot better, not something SORTA better.

I think you misunderstood the question.

upgrade to XTi
upgrade later (30D etc) when NEEDED
It's basically a yes or no type question.

So from what you said, I take it you wouldn't upgrade to this perhaps somethign way better :)

[OpticNein]

the Rebel XTi fulfills my need for an intermediate dslr while i wait for the next 30D...

[Nick_C]

I havent had any problems with dust with my 350D, so I see the anti dust as a gimmick, the only thing I like about it is the larger LCD, but even that I wouldnt upgrade for as when im out in the field I am snapping away & dont have time to check the screen for focus, I have a quick glance to make sure my highlights arent blown but thats about it, I guess I rely a lot on autofocus but every shot is clear so I dont see the need for a 2.5" LCD, besides everything looks sharp on LCD's, they are not a good judge of the final image.

Even the 350D to 30D isnt enough of an upgrade, I want to see what the replacement for the 30D will be.

I see it as more of a 350D+ or 350D V2.0 :-p

Nick :-)

[grego]

Every MP I can get... I want. I shoot a lot of surfing and
more MP's will allow me to crop that much closer. I'd
rather have a 500mm f4 but don't have that kind of money.

My 10D was the last metal body that I will buy until the
fast & furious generation turnover starts to slow down. I
picked up the XT for $350 trade. If you look at what I
paid for the 10D... I lost over a grand.

As long as Canon is serving up this kind of quality in their
plastic toys.... I'll save the cash. For my useage the XT
has been every bit as good as the 10D & unless there is
a great deal of noise in the XTi.... it will be my next cam.

I just can't wait for the plastic 5D........ :)

Wow, for a 10D user, you will appreciate a 30D, from my experiences in photo journalism and sports.

[SJK]

I think some do not understand what most people are saying. I think we all agree the 400 is an upgrade to the 350. If I were buying now it would surely be a 400 for me. If my skills were better and I needed the features of a 30 and I could afford a 30 then I would go for that. The point is that the 400 is just not that much better than the 350 in terms of mp’s and features. Surely not worth $800. Better off to buy an L lens.

[SJK]

In fact, I need a new point and shoot so I am looking at a new 10mp camera with the same digic processor that is in my xt - pretty cool for $300 or so. I can’t wait till they hit the shelves.

[sandro9mm]

first of all I don't use LCD at all... I shoot photos and only check them when I get back home, its an old habit from the times when I used film cameras... long long ago... well not so long ago, I started shooting only 5 years ago :P

Secondly 10mp u say? who cares, I still downsize my photos for the webpublishing and 8mp is farely good for the posters I do... never did photos for huge billboards, so I don't give a **** about 10mp upgrade :P

Thirdly, dust cleaner? heh...not sure who needs that, cleaning twice a month works fine for me... its good thing of course, nice feature, but again not worth upgrading!

Forthly, I'd better go and buy 24-70L than spend money on upgrades... nah...

and last issue is size and same macro feel of the body... cmon canon, amateurs like big bodies too! if I upgrade I'll go with 30D at least...

[OpticNein]

sandro9mm, from your points. the Rebel XTi is not for you. The 30D or 5D may serve you well if budget is not an issue.

the small size of my Rebel XT is perfect for me. i feel like they made it just for me.

the new rebel xti features that you mentioned that does not matter to you; lcd, dust cleaner, 10mp, body size actually matters to me a lot.

i still use film cameras and shoot black & white with them only but i do check the lcd quite often.

i guess the conclusion from what i've seen is that 90% of rebel xt/350d owners will not be upgrading to the rebel xti/400d which was expected.

[Johnny V]

If anything I'm upgrading for the larger LCD as a few weeks ago I had a 70-200f4 L lens focusing problem at a body building show. When reviewing images the center was sharp but focus fell off quickly, but I couldn't really tell with the XT's small screen even zoomed in. This set up was so exquisitely reliable in the past that I just thought I was seeing things. Until I got home of course and every shot, 180 shots, had the focus problem. The zoom is at Canon right now.

As mentioned in a previous post of mine I can sell my XT for about $400.00+-, so the XTi will cost me $400.00.

The money I save by not going to the 30D I can buy an new lens or pay my rent!

[SJK]

I just don’t get some of you guys. If you have a bum lens get the lens fixed – don’t go out and blow $800-$1500 clams on a new camera.

[Elbee19]

After following this thread for quite some time now, I've decided to weigh in on the discussion. I'm sure I am not going to say anything that hasn't already been mentioned but at least I'll feel like I've contributed! ;)

I don't see the 400D as a camera that is directly airmed at 350D owners. I do see it as a camera that is aimed for the person who is ready to make the dslr jump or the 350D owner whose camera is crocked and they need something new without having a big financial fallout. I think from reading all of the posts associated with this thread this notion may have numerical data to back up this claim.

As far as the features for the 400D go, I think we can agree that they are nice upgrades to the 350D. The only upgrade I seriously question is the anti-dust mechanism. I personally see it as a marketing gimick to compete with the other consumer cameras that have this feature. Besides, after the dust is shaken off...where does it go?

Just my opinions...and let it be known that it along with a quarter might get you a cup of coffee! ;)

[Johnny V]

I just don’t get some of you guys. If you have a bum lens get the lens fixed – don’t go out and blow $800-$1500 clams on a new camera.

If I had a bigger LCD to easily see my focus problem I would have changed to a different lens on the spot. But since the XT's LCD is so small I really couldn't be 100% positive there was a problem. This will not happen again as I am getting my lens fixed and getting a camera with a bigger LCD. It's called live and learn.

Don't know why you can't comprehend it!

[-kk-]

nah, the update does nothing for me, the mp (resolution numbers not that different) and lcd (i dont usually use it) are sufficient for me. i suspect my next camera purchase will be either the 30D replacement or more likely the 5D replacement (maybe even 2 generations away).

all this means 1 thing, more money on lens!

[SJK]

If I had a bigger LCD to easily see my focus problem I would have changed to a different lens on the spot. But since the XT's LCD is so small I really couldn't be 100% positive there was a problem. This will not happen again as I am getting my lens fixed and getting a camera with a bigger LCD. It's called live and learn.

Don't know why you can't comprehend it!

The thing that I have learned is that there are an awful lot of people who think this size lcd or that size lcd or this model or that model is going to produce good pictures. Well they wont. A good photographer can take great photos with an xt and the kit lens or a point and shoot for that matter. I understand that the equipment has limitations in terms of apertures, iso’s, auto focus calculations, lens sharpness, etc. But again, if you know what you are doing you can compensate for those things by understanding what your equipments limitations are.

I can see pretty clearly on my xt’s lcd and I often use the zoom function to look more closely at the pictures I am taking.

[Johnny V]

Actually I use the LCD to check for problems before and during a shoot. It's like shooting Polaroid before shooting film in the olden days.

Sounds like you are a young whippersnapper with good eyes...not me I'm neither, well maybe still a whippersnapper...my eyes' need all the help I can get with a nice big LCD to proof my work.

[basroil]

if only 400d had 5fps shooting, then i would consider the jump. at this rate, i'm stuck waiting 6 months-8 months for the replacement of the 20d (30d is not a replacement)

[burchy]

The thing I can't work out is should I upgrade my 300D to the 400D or 30D? Messing with my head this one.

[Jon]

What doesn't the 300D do that you need to go forward with? Don't buy the "new" model, buy the "what'll help" model. And if that model's the one you currently have and a bunch more experience, then don't buy anything at this time but use what you already have.

[Elbee19]

That would be delimma...300D...400D...30D...and you forgot the option of waiting to see what the succeessor to the 30D will be! :)

You have a couple of things that should drive your decision...finances and needs. If your finances can't support the purchase of the 30D then the decision is made. If finances aren't an issue then this is where you'll need to assess what your needs are in a camera.

Good luck with your decision!