40D on the way?

[amonline]

If this has already been discussed, I apologize for not finding the thread...

I've heard a rumor (not here) that the 40D may be announced on the 26th. With the release of the new G7 and it's DIGIC III chip, this rumor could possibly have some weight as previous rumors mentioned a 40D's release based on a new chip.

Personally, I've not been impressed with the XTI's new sensor, but it would make sense that Canon would introduce a 40D with the new chip. (thus, the price drop in the 30D to bring in the 40 at the same retail)

For me as a RAW shooter, the new algorhythms wouldn't do much for me; but the speed, improved color accuracy and WB reading might be interesting. Does that really justify a new release? Not IMO.

It seems to me that maybe Canon has joined the 'gotta have it' craze. I don't care for companies who take this 'baby steps' approach to new products myself.

What's everyone's opinion on the rumors?

[jpsimon]

i have a 20d and the 30d is no where near anything for me to upgrade to it.. i really hope a 40d comes out that blows it out of the water.

give me full weather sealing please!!!

[JaGWiRE]

Didn't the 40D just come out in February?

[Mark_Cohran]

Didn't the 40D just come out in February?

Do you mean the 30D? Yes, it came along in February and a replacement would be very early in Canon's cycle. It's not impossible though.

Mark

[BradT0517]

i would like it if a 40d came out i wont get one as i just purchased my XTi yesterday but i want to see how much it will go for

[Brodog2525]

i highly doubt it. the 30D came out about 5 months ago

[gjl711]

I have been reading some of the rumor sites ever since the announcement of the 350 replacement and the 40d seems to be just that, rumor and speculation. Most sites just transpose the 400s features on a 30D body and call it the 40D. I guess we’ll just have to wait a bit longer.

[sti jaguar]

Damn, I just upgraded from the 20 to the 30 and now the 40 is coming out??

No thanks, my next upgrade is for the 5D replacement.

[Doctor Diesel]

reckon I'll just keep using the 30D until I can go FF........a 40D will not stop the 30D being an amazing camera.

[lummy]

Considering that the 30d has no parts in common with the 20d, the only way I could see a 40d anytime soon is if Canon took the new sensor and threw it into the existing 30d. I seriously doubt they'd retool their manufacturing line 6 months in, it would be just too expensive a change for them.

[whiteflyer]

Can I fast forward the thread to the day AFTER the 40D is released.



50D on the way ?

[Tom W]

Considering that the 30d has no parts in common with the 20d, the only way I could see a 40d anytime soon is if Canon took the new sensor and threw it into the existing 30d. I seriously doubt they'd retool their manufacturing line 6 months in, it would be just too expensive a change for them.

Ummm, the 30D has plenty of parts in common with the 20D, including the sensor, AF sensor assembly, mirror box, viewfinder assembly, most of the circuitry, and the basic shell. While plenty's changed, it would be a surprise if there weren't a lot more that was exactly the same.

[lummy]

Ummm, the 30D has plenty of parts in common with the 20D, including the sensor, AF sensor assembly, mirror box, viewfinder assembly, most of the circuitry, and the basic shell. While plenty's changed, it would be a surprise if there weren't a lot more that was exactly the same.


uhmm... no they don't. Mirror box is different, viewfinder is different, C board, D board, DC board AND motor drive are different, af sensor has different flexes but could be the same. The shell is different. About the only part that is the same is the sensor and to be honest, I didn't compare part #'s to be sure tho..

[Tom W]

uhmm... no they don't. Mirror box is different, viewfinder is different, C board, D board, DC board AND motor drive are different, af sensor has different flexes but could be the same. The shell is different. About the only part that is the same is the sensor and to be honest, I didn't compare part #'s to be sure tho..


You might want to look a bit closer, or perhaps a bit less close - AF sensor is the same, viewfinder is the same but for a different focusing element for the center metering, and the motor drive is unnecessary as there's no film to wind. :) The shell is different, or at least part of it is. The mirror does operate more quietly, which could be as simple as some dampening material added to the stops. It's still digic II, and there's no discernable difference in the sensor's performance or the image quality of the camera.

Take the same image with the 30D and the 20D in most any circumstances and the differences in noise, dynamic range, and such will be identical. All that will be different will be the effects of processing algorythms such as picture styles. And that will only be significant if you shoot JPEGs.


All of this is irrelevent really - the 30D isn't going to compete well in its class, despite retaining the quality of imaging that put it (well, the 20D really) at the top of its class 2 years ago. It's still a contender, but it will struggle against it's 10 mpx competitors. Better performance alone won't sell to the masses.

[lummy]

You might want to look a bit closer, or perhaps a bit less close - AF sensor is the same, viewfinder is the same but for a different focusing element for the center metering, and the motor drive is unnecessary as there's no film to wind. :) The shell is different, or at least part of it is. The mirror does operate more quietly, which could be as simple as some dampening material added to the stops. It's still digic II, and there's no discernable difference in the sensor's performance or the image quality of the camera.

Take the same image with the 30D and the 20D in most any circumstances and the differences in noise, dynamic range, and such will be identical. All that will be different will be the effects of processing algorythms such as picture styles. And that will only be significant if you shoot JPEGs.

All of this is irrelevent really - the 30D isn't going to compete well in its class, despite retaining the quality of imaging that put it (well, the 20D really) at the top of its class 2 years ago. It's still a contender, but it will struggle against it's 10 mpx competitors. Better performance alone won't sell to the masses.

:) We're pretty close on this, like I mentioned, I thought the af sensor and the cmos sensor were probably the same. I will argue that the viefinder is different since Canon changed the metering flex to be vertical as opposed to the 20d. At the very least, the mount is different and is thus a different part that needs to be manufactured.
I'll also agree that this is irrevelent. My only point was that Canon redesigned quite a bit for the 30d and it wouldn't make good fiscal sense (IMO) to have to retool their manufacturing process so soon into the run for a 40d.

edited to add: I meant to say the motor drive flex which controls the mirrors,shutter and pops up the flash

[lostdoggy]

At this point in the game its not a matter of cost but a matter of market dominance. Canon can not let their lead slip away and w/ DSLR once you are committe to a brand you're pretty much set for life. Canon will do anything to be the purchaser's first brand to consider and not just an afterthought.

[lummy]

No, it's all about making money,as much as possible. Canon has answered the entry level and the entry level prosumer markets within the last 6 months. I think Canon would lose more entry level prosumers who just shelled out a lot of money for a 30d if they released something so soon. They'd also lose all the upfront costs it took to get the 30d to market by releasing something so soon.

[MHP]

They'd also lose all the upfront costs it took to get the 30d to market by releasing something so soon.


I don't think they would, it will basically just upgrading certain parts in it, the rest of the hardware will be the same, same shape camera, same buttons etc, so the upfront cost of an upgrade wouldn't cost them much. they would market it the same amount so no harm done there

[lummy]

Yeah, I'd agree, that's what I said originally. If they do release the 40d early, they'll probably just switch out the sensor and digic board and call it a 40d

[blackshadow]

The 30D is really only a tweaked 20D with a larger LCD screen... nothing really new there and certainly nothing to entice existing 20D owners to upgrade whereas a 40D may entice current 20D owners and newcomers to fork out for a new camera.

[Livinthalife]

After a few quick searches, it appears the 40D is being released September 26th, a day before my BDay :)

Wonder if it really will happen?

[cubano100pct]

No, it's all about making money,as much as possible. Canon has answered the entry level and the entry level prosumer markets within the last 6 months. I think Canon would lose more entry level prosumers who just shelled out a lot of money for a 30d if they released something so soon. They'd also lose all the upfront costs it took to get the 30d to market by releasing something so soon.

Technology is always changing fast. They need to stay ahead of Nikon and other DSLR manufacturers.

I am in the computer field and the cycle there is even faster for new CPU, graphics cards, etc.

[Juan Zas]

I am going to copy & paste I said in #3 of the next thread:

"Canon Research & Develop must have already prepared the next generations of cameras. Any big company goes always futher the market on developments: when they introduce a model in the market, the replacement is already in develop or even ready, specially when the superirority in the field is clear (I work for a famous multinational company, and our research laboratory is going years ahead from the present). The only question is when the competence pushes up and rises the line. Then, it is when the time schedule could be changed, forcing to release updates earlier than spected. But I guess also that Canon people is current into other´s developments, so, may be this Christmas time is going to be interesting."

So, we shall wait until 26th September to know the answer. Canon is putting a lot of interest into keep cond¡fidencial the annoucements. And also I think Digic III is key in all this. They are going one step ahead ...

[amonline]

50D on the way ?
Actually, there may be some truth to this... someone over at DPR said that "40D" will not get used because it's too close to "400D". (from a supposed inside contact at Canon) Well, if you apply that thinking, isn't the "50D" to close to the "5D"? Maybe it'll be a "45D"... or 40.1D? :lol:

[lummy]

Technology is always changing fast. They need to stay ahead of Nikon and other DSLR manufacturers.

I am in the computer field and the cycle there is even faster for new CPU, graphics cards, etc.


Yeah, I'm in the same field. Even tho everyone is pumping out newer cards, the refresh cycle has gotten even longer. A few years back, IT was refreshing computers every 2 to 3 years, that cycle is now closer to 4 and 5 years. Now a lot of the computer market is geared towards either the high end user who has to have the latest and greatest or the first time buyers. That would equate to the 1d and xt(i) market in my opinion. The people on the 4-5 year refresh plan is more like the 30d market. People will pay a bit more for a better quality product and want to get the most out of their investment.

[fi20100]

Yeah, I'm in the same field. Even tho everyone is pumping out newer cards, the refresh cycle has gotten even longer. A few years back, IT was refreshing computers every 2 to 3 years, that cycle is now closer to 4 and 5 years. Now a lot of the computer market is geared towards either the high end user who has to have the latest and greatest or the first time buyers. That would equate to the 1d and xt(i) market in my opinion. The people on the 4-5 year refresh plan is more like the 30d market. People will pay a bit more for a better quality product and want to get the most out of their investment.


I'm with you on that one. The computer market has defenitly changed a bit during the last years. Maybe the pace of development has slowed down a tiny bit, or then the computers just start being so powerful that you easily can use a computer for more than 2 years. That is as long as you're not buying the cheapest thing you can find, but actually invest a little bit more when you're getting new equipment. A maturing market so to say.

[coreypolis]

the 30d was hardly an upgrade to the 20d. If they let it live a normal product life cycle we beter see a vastly improved next gen version