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nf3996
17th of December 2003 (Wed), 10:15
I have a Canon EOS D30 and I am contemplating upgrading to a 1D. I’d really like a full-frame sensor as I use wide-angle lenses a lot, but I don’t think I’ll ever be able to afford (or justify) a 1Ds, so a 1D with its 1.3x magnification would get me nearer to my ideal than the D30 with its 1.6x. Added to this, the recent price falls on the 1D make it begin to appear more affordable than a few months ago. And if I wait until the much-rumoured 1D successor appears, then perhaps prices of used models will fall even further.

For some background, here’s the type of photography I do. In colour, mostly landscapes, often in pretty bad weather. I’ve used 35mm slide film for years and will continue to do so (in my EOS 1V film body – similar to the 1D in layout) alongside my digital SLR. I like looking at slides projected large – they provide a sense of space, reality and impact that I don’t see in a print or a scanned image viewed on a monitor. In black and white I shoot a mixed bag, but quite a lot of street scenes and architecture around London, on negative film either with a rangefinder or an SLR.

Sports and portraits don’t figure in any of my photography, and I rarely use flash. Speed of focus and frame rate/buffer capacity are not issues as I usually focus manually and most of my subjects are pretty static. My need is much more for lenses at the wide-angle end than for telephoto, hence the desire for a body with as near a full-frame sensor as possible.

A comparison of prints I have produced from D30 large/fine JPEGs (and some RAW) and those scanned from slide film (on an Epson FilmScan 200) convinces me that for prints the digital SLR route is the one to follow. More immediate results, less work necessary in PhotoShop, sharper and ‘cleaner’ images - plus more enjoyment en route, an important factor. I only have an A4 printer (Canon i950), but printed at 300dpi the superiority of the D30 images (interpolated up) is apparent even at that size.

If I were to upgrade to a 1D, would I gain anything more in image quality at A4? At what size does the quality of an image from a 4MP sensor appear noticeably better than that from a 3MP sensor? And is there any difference in the output from a CMOS sensor or a CCD?

Or should I hang on the D30 until it wears out, by which time Canon might have introduced a cheaper (than the 1Ds) full-frame model, with a higher quality sensor than the D30, and I could then use my wide-angle lenses with their full angles of view?

I’d appreciate the views of others who have also considered or taken this step.

craig360
17th of December 2003 (Wed), 11:08
I have been contemplating the exact dilemna. What I have come to is this. Image quality of the 1D is only slightly better, only real benefit is better high ISO performance. Lens like the Sigma 12-24 make is more realistic to use the D30 for landscape photography. I have been using the Sigma 15-30 and LOVE it.

The 1D, for me at least, is just too much of a jump to features I don't need (but wouldn't mind having) like 8 FPS, 21 frame buffer. Personally I think Canon will upgrade the 1D at a higher price point, and introduce the long-awaited 3D at a price point lower than the current 1D. For me the D30 with my Elan II for really wide angle needs works great and I can't complain. If I were you I would wait...that is what I am doing.

RichardtheSane
17th of December 2003 (Wed), 11:27
FYI, the EOS 1D is not a full frame sensor. The 1Ds is the only full frame sensor model canon do. :)

CyberDyneSystems
17th of December 2003 (Wed), 11:39
Indeed,. the 1D has a 1.3 "crop factor" whereas the D30/D60/10D/300D have a 1.6 "factor"

1D will offer a lot more than just better high ISO,.. obviously it's forte is speed... and gobs of it. Faster burst rates,. faster focusing, faster shutters etc...

Normally I say "Upgrade now!,. why wait?"

But right now we are at a definate turning point.. in Februaery Canon WILL BE announcing a new DSLR that may alter your deicision significantly.

As you have been able to wait patiently with your trusty D3o through two years of upgrades... and held off jumping up to the 1D for an equal amount of time,. I would suggest it is prudent to wait two more months and see how the landscape changes.

Canon's new Camera will most likely be a replacement for the 1D. It will obviously be an improvemnet,. but it also may be priced lower than the 1D is priced now.

The other possible release is the next generation D30/D60/10D model..... maybe...

...either way,. the new Camera will probably have a significant effect on your decision.

scottbergerphoto
17th of December 2003 (Wed), 11:45
From what I've read on www.dpreview.com, if your not doing sports or fast action photography, your not gaining better pictures with a 1D. I was considering the 1D with the recent price drop to add to my 10D. What I read there convinced me to wait till February for a 6+ megapixel successor to the 1D should one be out. I was not at all happy with the review. It is a CCD sensor and not a CMOS sensor. The larger sensor doesn't apparantly make up for the lack of megapixels.
Check out the review for yourself.
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos1d/
Scott

Phil Hall
17th of December 2003 (Wed), 12:34
I have had a D30 for a while and just gave it to my daughter. I upgraded to a 1D about 18 months ago. It is a much superior camera and I use it mostly for wildlife. I think for the kind of uses you are talking about a 10D would be better...higher resolution than the 1D. I have just ordered a 1Ds but intend to keep my 1D for action shots.

scottbergerphoto
17th of December 2003 (Wed), 13:55
Phil Hall wrote:
I have had a D30 for a while and just gave it to my daughter. I upgraded to a 1D about 18 months ago. It is a much superior camera and I use it mostly for wildlife. I think for the kind of uses you are talking about a 10D would be better...higher resolution than the 1D. I have just ordered a 1Ds but intend to keep my 1D for action shots.

I'm jealous! Did you have to sell a kidney? Care to adopt a balding, middle aged man with a warped sense of humor?
Scott

Cordell
17th of December 2003 (Wed), 15:06
People, the original post ask about quality of prints with the "slightly" larger sensor of the 1D compared to the D30. Not speed because landscapes don't run, walk, hop, or jiggle. The big issue is getting "closer" to the full frame factor (from 1.6 down to 1.3). The 1.6 on the 10D is obviously not an option because he has a D30 already and is happy with the quality of prints but not the cropping factor.

From what it sounds like to me you may be better off sticking with your D30 until either a replacement for the 1D comes out with a great price, or a Sigma 12-XX lens.

Good luck

FotoPhreak
17th of December 2003 (Wed), 17:52
A couple of you in here, and other posts, have mentioned that you think that Canon will more than likely announce another (if not a couple) of new DSLR's in Feb..

My question is ...

What is the normal procedure for release?

I.e. ... when things get announced in Feb, how long usually before they get to the consumer?

And even more importantly for me, how long until they start shipment throughout the world (i.e. Australia)??