Lightroom beta 4 now available

[blackviolet]

i guess Adobe want to get the jump on Apple who are making an announcement tomorrow.


Groundbreaking changes in the way tone curve adjustments are made and displayed, giving you the highest quality results in an interface that's easier to use than ever before.
More streamlined and elegant user interface - We've made several changes to the look and feel based on your feedback in the earlier beta releases.
Customizable interface - You can now display only the controls you want to be visible.
Precision white balance selection tool
Facility to easily rename and convert files to DNG after they've been imported to the Lightroom library
Increased interaction between Lightroom library organizational structure and the underlying file system
Filter and search presets to more quickly find the photographs you want
Better performance and improved interface for the Web module features
Develop control improvements based on community feedback, including comments from the Pixmantec user community (welcome!)interestingly, the link was not provided in the email but you can get through on the old 'labs' link.
http://www.adobe.com/go/labs_lightroom_download

edit: oops, now they give a 'site temporarily unavailable - maintenance' message.

[Carzee]

It needs to accelerate a whole heap. "Better Performance" is what they mention there. "Normal" performance is what we want it to read". At a minimum.

[BiikeMike]

man you are quick!

I just got the email, came here to post, and youa are two minutes ahead of me :)

[crsouser]

yep.. they sent out a mass email.. everyone jumps at it.. then the system goes into weekly maintenance.. smart..

I personally really like Lightroom.. hoping Beta 4 has a few features I really want..

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[BiikeMike]

I think everyone jumped at it, overflowed their servers, so they shut it down.

I'll wait till all the suckers are at work tomorrrow :D

[bowman01]

Did anyone get this at all before it went down?

[Gujustud]

its working now.

They could of at least made it so that when you install B4, that it overwrites B3. You need to remove B3 before installing B4.

[blackviolet]

man you are quick!

I just got the email, came here to post, and youa are two minutes ahead of me :)

well - obviously tcp packets flow quicker downhill, so oz gets them first...

[bryno74]

It seems alot quicker....

[Screamer]

It seems alot quicker....

Agreed. It's flying on my Dual G5 and Mac Book Pro. I'll try it on my AMD64 X2 tomorrow.

[blackviolet]

it seems mildly quicker on my D620 dual core here in the office. but not overly tremendous. i'll ty it on my MBP, MacPro, and Athlon64 x2 later tonight.

also the user interface sure looks, um... uglier

[Tee Why]

Hmmm, I've heard a lot about LR being slow and not as user friendly as the RSP. As an owner of RSP, I'll be getting a free LR when it's for sale, any initial review of the LR 4th beta edition? Especially compared to RSP?
I've avoided using the LR b/c I like fast workflow that is simple to use.

[chris.bailey]

A HUGE improvement in performance and the interface is a lot more logical and less toylike. I'm liking it more and more.

[chris.bailey]

Hmmm, I've heard a lot about LR being slow and not as user friendly as the RSP. As an owner of RSP, I'll be getting a free LR when it's for sale, any initial review of the LR 4th beta edition? Especially compared to RSP?
I've avoided using the LR b/c I like fast workflow that is simple to use.

What have you got to loose from trying it? Beta 3 was let down by its performance. Beta 4 seems to have addressed those issues and there are signs of it incorporating some of RSP' features and it altogether starts to look more of a finished product than a development version.

[Tee Why]

saw a buddy use the beta 3 and wasn't impressed enough to even try it. I personally hate the Adobe's approach of throwing everything including the kitchen sink, so I've some philosphical aversions as well. So I'm looking for more reviews before I try it.

Plus my puter isn't the fastest thing out there, although it's got 2G of RAM.

[goatee]

Hmm, I can't run it - I have XP Pro SP2 at work, and installed it, and when it gets to the point of asking me to choose / create a library, and I point it at a directory to create a library and it dies :(

[dave_bass5]

LR beta 4 also supports 400D RAW files.
Just wish it wouldnt keep locking up if i import more than a few files.

[328iGuy]

The performance on this app is atrotious. I had to KILL the work process and reboot when I was creating a library, unreal. Uninstalled it is.

[Screamer]

The performance on this app is atrotious. I had to KILL the work process and reboot when I was creating a library, unreal. Uninstalled it is.

Have you sent the feedback and your system specs to Adobe? It looks like I'm singling you out. But I wonder how many people download a beta (which means "test"), complain, and provide no usable feedback.

Sorry to pick on you, but you really looked like you were just complaining without understanding what beta means. I could be wrong. :)

[328iGuy]

Have you sent the feedback and your system specs to Adobe? It looks like I'm singling you out. But I wonder how many people download a beta (which means "test"), complain, and provide no usable feedback.

Sorry to pick on you, but you really looked like you were just complaining without understanding what beta means. I could be wrong. :)

In this case you are wrong. :lol:

I work in the IT field myself and understand the meaning, and have sent a long winded feedback. However by B4 there should be large performance improvements IMHO. :neutral:

[canon shooter]

Hope by tonight the server won't be so busy and I can download.

Anyone heard anymore on release due of production product and it's price? Do you think Adobe with give any price break to those of us using the Beta version?

[328iGuy]

.. Do you think Adobe with give any price break to those of us using the Beta version?

HA! Did you forget what company you were dealing with here? :lol:

[weka2000]

:evil: 480KB and then it stops downloaded :evil:

Typical

[Tee Why]

Hmmm, thanks for answering my question.
I'll wait for the final version and downloaded since it'll be free for me, since I have a RSP.
I'll tinker with it but as long as I have a 30D, RSP, DPP, and PSE2, I guess I really don't need LR.

[Tsmith]

So far its running much better than the beta 3 release on my P4 3.5 Ghz CPU + 1GB Corsair XMS Extreme memory. It indeed looks promising since they've sped it up in the processing.

[Screamer]

In this case you are wrong. :lol:

I work in the IT field myself and understand the meaning, and have sent a long winded feedback. However by B4 there should be large performance improvements IMHO. :neutral:

I stand corrected! :D Good to hear that it might become a better product through feedback.

I come from pretty hefty software dev background. The later betas can slow down and expose compatibility issues due to tightening of the code. RCs (Release Candidates) should be addressing perf issues and last minute show stopping bugs.

[Curtis N]

Sounds like it's still a little buggy. I would download and try it out, but I don't figure it's my job to donate my time to help a software giant develop a product that they will make millions on.

One question for those of you who have managed to make it work: Does it allow you to straighten and crop as easily as Raw Shooter Premium?

[weka2000]

Get the same message at home and work 2 different ISP providers :evil:

480KB yeah right :(

Anyone have a link to get this

[blackviolet]

download the one with sample content. i was just able to do that.

btw - i've had a few crashes as well... i do like it better than B3, but i'm really looking forward to the Aperture 1.5 release.

[weka2000]

download the one with sample content. i was just able to do that.

btw - i've had a few crashes as well... i do like it better than B3, but i'm really looking forward to the Aperture 1.5 release.

That was the one with out samples :)

[blackviolet]

sorry, mate. what i meant is even though i had already downloaded it, i tried it again and could not download the one without sample content. when i tried the one with content, it downloaded without any issues.

anyway hopefully by now you've managed to pull it down.

[goatee]

The one with no sample content - http://trials.adobe.com/pub/esd/labs/lightroom/lightroom_b4_standalone_09-24.msi

The one with sample content - http://trials.adobe.com/pub/esd/labs/lightroom/lightroom_b4_samples_09-24.msi

Note, you'll need to be signed in to the Adobe site for the links to work. If it's stopping, can I suggest software like Download Accelerator Plus - even on a really fast connection, it can massively speed up downloads as it will make multiple connections at the same time, which will mean that your connection is used to the max.

[Tsmith]

The more I use this version the more I like it. Still a little buggy but indeed improvements and looks promising.

[TheSteveMadden]

Looks very promising. They fixed the three stop ship issues I cared about.

1. You can create 1:1 previews on a shoot by shoot basis and remove them when done so disk space isn't impacted. It will also automatically remove the 1:1 preview cached images after a configurable number of days.

2. Performance is much better. Develope tweaks show up much faster on the image. Browsing is much faster, especially if the 1:1 previews have been generated.

3. The UI for making small changes to image processing values has been much improved. Previously, the slider was way too sensitive for making small changes and you had to manually enter a value if you wanted better control. The mouse interface has been improved so that if you place the pointer on a numeric value, such as exposure, you get a <-> pointer like CS2 and click-move to make small changes. You can also click on the slider knob and then use the mouse wheel to make single digit changes to values. If you double click on a slider knob, it returns to the initial default value. Sweet.

Much nicer. In my opinion, it's almost ready to ship.

I haven't had the first crash and the only hiccup is that an image externally cropped to 5x7 in PS and saved as tiff shows up stretched (deformed) to 2:3 ratio in the Develop module. It's fine in the Loupe and grid view's though.

FYI: These results were on an IBM ThinkPad T40 running Windows XP SP2 with 1 GB RAM, 1.6 GHz Pentium M with SQL Server and several other services running in the background.

[deniska]

I am downloading now... I've used B3 for a while, and absolutely loved it. I turned away from it a couple of times, mostly to RSE (and RSP for a while) because of performance. It was irritating the hell out of me. Yes, it was buggy too, but usable nonetheless. Still, as far as ease and how quickly I can go through workflow, LR was great. So I still went back to it fairly frequently in B3. If B4 is much faster, I might have a keeper :)

[deniska]

Ooh... Much better! I am playing with it on a T43 laptop (1.7Mhz, 1GB Ram, "mobile" performance), and it's a lot faster than B3 was on my home machine (which is ~1.8Mhz 1GB Ram with a solid graphics card, fast hard drives, etc.). And the functional improvements are very nice too.

[canon shooter]

Question on batch processing / workflow.

In RSE or RSP you can make correction and click batch and it will download to the "Converted" file of the storage folder you currently have open.

Anyone know how to do this in LR. All I can find is you have to click export and then you have to pick where to export and file name on each photo. Is there a way to streamline like in RSE?

[weka2000]

Got it at last :)
Much better runs faster and has a couple more features. I would like to see where it enables you to export out to Photoshop in 1 hit rather than saving first.

PS they did just found it :lol:

[fivefish]

would like to see where it enables you to export out to Photoshop in 1 hit rather than saving first.

Huh? Just right click on the image and select "Export to Photoshop". Then it will ask you if you want to edit the original, a copy, or a copy with LR adjustments.

[weka2000]

Huh? Just right click on the image and select "Export to Photoshop". Then it will ask you if you want to edit the original, a copy, or a copy with LR adjustments.

Yep discovered it. That will make me use lightroom more.