Why shouldnt i get a 300D?

[timmyquest]

Tell me what a person who admitingly, in all reality...knows nothing about photography. I'd like to think i have the raw talent or potential at least.

(http://www.antiwall.com/gallery.htm)

From what i understand the sensor in the 300D is the exact one found in the 10D. I've read some of the benifits of having a 10D over a 300D but i honeslty have no idea what any of them are.

Lets face it, the 300D/10D are both fantastic cameras but i dont think they are as godlike as people make them out to be. And the difference in price is HUGE, the difference in price is say...a nice cannon lens (i intend on replacing the two sigmas that came with my rebel 2000)

This is not going to be the last camera i ever buy especially at the rate technology improves, i suspect in a few short years 6.3 megapixles will be spat on much like the $80 2mp POS i bought earlier this year.

The bottom line is i'm unsure of what i want to do with my life, photography is one option but there are things i'm finding that i dont like with the field (*ehem* income...). Photography will always be a part of my life, whether it brings me money or not. I'd still consider myself a very new person to photography, i struggle to move away from the automatic modes on my camera and i'm just unsure if $1500 is justified when $900 can get me...(key word, ME) the same final product.

[CyberDyneSystems]

Get the Rebel!
Spend the $1,000.00 and get the kit lens too!

Get a 50mm f/1.8 or a 28-135mm IS as well...

And then get back to me in the morning!

:D

[timmyquest]

CyberDyneSystems wrote:
Get the Rebel!
Spend the $1,000.00 and get the kit lens too!

Get a 50mm f/1.8 or a 28-135mm IS as well...

And then get back to me in the morning!

:D

I was actually wondering if it would be worth it to get a lens as i've already got two sigma EOS lenses

28-80 w/ 1:2-1:4 macro
and
70-300 w/ (macro too not sure what though)

[timnelsonic]

If you're still learning photography, the DRebel is a great camera. It doesn't have all the manual controls of the 10D, but you can take some great pictures while you hone your skills.

I used to shoot 35mm professionally (a LONG time ago), so I wish for a little more control sometimes, but I still love this camera. When you're lazy you can shoot in fully automated mode, but enough manual controls are there to handle most circumstances.

Although the kit lens gets some bad press, it's pretty good for the money. See the sample picture below.

http://misheli.image.pbase.com/u36/timnelsonic/large/24624687.Bee2.jpg

I've posted some more samples at pbase.com: http://www.pbase.com/timnelsonic/canon_digital_rebel_test

Make sure you click "original size" on each sample to see what this camera is capable of. All these pictures were shot with the DRebel out-of-the-box...no added equipment needed.

Of course, I would like another lens or two, but with the money I saved by not buying a 10D, I should be able to start my collection.

Have fun!

[fwhitesides]

From what you've said, I think it would be best for you to go ahead and get a 300D.

I got one, and price was the big factor for me. I'll wait a few years and get the next hot DSLR (or whatever they have cranked out by then) that is priced to move. Maybe one day I'll be able to afford the top-of-the-line DSLR when it comes out...and then complain 9 months later when a cheaper model comes out. That sounds like fun.

[Canuck]

timmyquest wrote:

I was actually wondering if it would be worth it to get a lens as i've already got two sigma EOS lenses

28-80 w/ 1:2-1:4 macro
and
70-300 w/ (macro too not sure what though)

Tim,
Sounds like the Digital Rebel aka: 300D is for you...
I have the 28-80 and had the 70-300 Sigma lenses you mention. You will find out how bad they are when you go digital. The 70-300 I sold for $150 and the 28-80 is collecting dust and making a paperweight. The Sigma EX series is a great budget alternative to L glass. There are a few of my pics floating about that were taken with the monster 120-300 F2.8 EX lens. That lens isn't cheap either, though ($1900 + filters at over $100 a go). But they have some EX glass in the $400-$500 range at F4ish. There is the $700 70-200 F2.8EX that would cost $1230 without Image Stabilisation (IS) or $1650 with IS just to give you an idea.

Reason to get 10D vs 300D:
-More rigid and manly. It feels meatier.
-More flexibility shooting
-Faster shooting like more frames per second
-It is Black; NOT Silver (LOL!!!)
-Larger buffer, so you can shoot more pics before dumping to CF
-Many more far too numerous to mention

See this website:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos300d/page6.asp compared 10D features to 300D features. Basically the differences are when you go TV/AV/Manual/ADep as to what is customisable on 10D and preconfigured if you will on the 300D.

Reasons to get 300D:
-Save $$$$ so you could get a much better lens than if u spent the extra on getting the 10D.
- I can't verify this, but it might make a much better beginner DSLR camera than the 10D. If you had a lot of experience w/ 35mm SLRs, I would recommend the 10D.
-Many more reasons that have been discussed before on this forum.

That said, what will you be shooting? If you are needing the higher speed of the 10D, the answer may have been answered already, before you posted on the forum.

Furthermore, go to the review sites mentioned and look up the 10D and 300D at:
www.steves-digicams.com
www.dpreview.com
www.dcresource.com
www.imagingresource.com

You realise there is only so much we can do. The end of the day, it is you, not us that are going to be shooting with it. I have the 10D and it rocks! You might want to pop to local camera dealer and see how they feel. That's just another idea.

[PacAce]

timmyquest wrote:
I was actually wondering if it would be worth it to get a lens as i've already got two sigma EOS lenses

28-80 w/ 1:2-1:4 macro
and
70-300 w/ (macro too not sure what though)

Yes, you definitely want to get lens kit, especially if you don't have any plans of getting additional lenses in the near future! If you are currently using the 28-80 a lot, you will definitely want the 18-55 lens kit since it'll have the equivalent coverage on the Digital Rebel as the 28-80 does on your old film camera.

[defordphoto]

I would recommend the Digital Rebel with the kit lens, a 50mm f1.8 and an affordable 70-300. Then shoot for 6 months or a year and if you stick with it, then you can upgrade from there.

Alot of hard-core photographers like myself really love it when a newbie falls into photography as a hobby with a big wad of cash in their pocket. Then they blow it on all the super expensive schtuff cause they think the more they pay, the better the photographer they will be.

Then they get bored with it and end up selling it to us for cents on the dollar and we totally score with barely-used equipment.

Go at it modestly, and if you like it, have the knack for it and stick with it, then you can buy all the cool crap we have.

[pradeep1]

Damn it RFMSports, you are giving away our secrets!

:)

[CyberDyneSystems]

Oh thats too funny! :D

[gsmx2]

RFMSports wrote:
I would recommend the Digital Rebel with the kit lens, a 50mm f1.8 and an affordable 70-300. Then shoot for 6 months or a year and if you stick with it, then you can upgrade from there.

Alot of hard-core photographers like myself really love it when a newbie falls into photography as a hobby with a big wad of cash in their pocket. Then they blow it on all the super expensive schtuff cause they think the more they pay, the better the photographer they will be.

Then they get bored with it and end up selling it to us for cents on the dollar and we totally score with barely-used equipment.

Go at it modestly, and if you like it, have the knack for it and stick with it, then you can buy all the cool crap we have.

RFMSports---I love you man. That's just what I needed to combat any "buyer's remorse" I may have from ordering my inexpensive 75-300 lens today, which goes with the 50 1.8 lens that I purchased at the encouragement of THIS GROUP, to go with my DR. New lens comes in Friday....I'll be waiting for the UPS man to arrive.

gsm x2

[defordphoto]

gsmx2: Who shall I make out the invoice to? (See pradeep1, there is a method to my madness! :) )

[defordphoto]

gsmx2 wrote:
RFMSports---I love you man. That's just what I needed to combat any "buyer's remorse" I may have from ordering my inexpensive 75-300 lens today, which goes with the 50 1.8 lens that I purchased at the encouragement of THIS GROUP, to go with my DR. New lens comes in Friday....I'll be waiting for the UPS man to arrive.

gsm x2


Just remember that that your photos with the 70-300 will not have the sharpness, contrast and brightness of the expensive L lenses. You can combat that with a little creative Photoshopping. We'll know within 60 days if you really have the bug and start asking what L lens you should buy first.

[fwhitesides]

RFMSports wrote:
Just remember that that your photos with the 70-300 will not have the sharpness, contrast and brightness of the expensive L lenses. You can combat that with a little creative Photoshopping. We'll know within 60 days if you really have the bug and start asking what L lens you should buy first.I assume you mean the money bug?

[defordphoto]

Shhhhhhh! ;)

[timmyquest]

Thanks guys, especially Canuck.

I went to best buy tonight and checked the two out (ironicly i went to ritz camera and they had niether...odd). Right now the only two reasons i want the 10D over the 300D are:

FPS and feal, weight..metal etc.

I have indeed seen the review of the 300d that compairs the two and to be honest i dont even know what the differences are, and to me thats a red flag.

I know i wont get bored with this...ever but i have a big enough brain to know not to buy overly technical stuff.

I think the 300D will be fine for me, now i just need my tax return and a few paychecks and i'll have a nice setup.

My mom and i got the rebel 2000 together, we each put in $250 so i can sell her the lenses back and be done with 35mm for ever (cept my old lil AE-1 :D).

Thanks guys, i think you all just saved me $600 that could be spent elsewhere.

[Belmondo]

RFMSports wrote:Alot of hard-core photographers like myself really love it when a newbie falls into photography as a hobby with a big wad of cash in their pocket. Then they blow it on all the super expensive schtuff cause they think the more they pay, the better the photographer they will be.


You talkin' about me?

[hawg]

RFMSports wrote:Alot of hard-core photographers like myself really love it when a newbie falls into photography as a hobby with a big wad of cash in their pocket. Then they blow it on all the super expensive schtuff cause they think the more they pay, the better the photographer they will be.



It's funny how true this is for a lot of things. Like yuppie bikers buying expensive Harleys...... 20 grand and 10 miles does not make you a biker. Or wannabe audiophiles who care more for the equipment than the music.

[gsmx2]

RFMSports wrote:
gsmx2: Who shall I make out the invoice to? (See pradeep1, there is a method to my madness! :) )

Sorry RFM...I have thousands of slides taken in the 70's and 80's with a Pentex MX, thousands of photos taken in the 90's with a Nikon 8088, and just moved into the DSLR realm. I have enthusiasm, but don't turn over equipment very often. When I do, what's left is definitely at the low tech end of the scale.

But thanks for the encouragement and all the good advice.

gsm x2

[sdommin]

RFMSports wrote:
Alot of hard-core photographers like myself really love it when a newbie falls into photography as a hobby with a big wad of cash in their pocket. Then they blow it on all the super expensive schtuff cause they think the more they pay, the better the photographer they will be.

To get back to the original post topic, RFM's quote is precisely why you shouldn't get a 300D. Get a G3/G5 or similar camera, learn the basics, THEN think about a DSLR in a year or two.

[timmyquest]

sdommin wrote:
RFMSports wrote:
Alot of hard-core photographers like myself really love it when a newbie falls into photography as a hobby with a big wad of cash in their pocket. Then they blow it on all the super expensive schtuff cause they think the more they pay, the better the photographer they will be.

To get back to the original post topic, RFM's quote is precisely why you shouldn't get a 300D. Get a G3/G5 or similar camera, learn the basics, THEN think about a DSLR in a year or two.


That would be a large step backward...

[Belmondo]

I'm a 10D user, and I decided I wanted a smaller P&S to carry with me in the car and in situations where the SLR would be total overkill. I bought a G5.

Given a choice between a Drebel and a G5 as my primary (or only) camera, I can answer in two words: shutter lag. Good grief, it can be frustrating waiting for the G5 to decide if and/or when it's going to fire.

Get the D300. You'll be much better off, especially if you think there's a chance you want to progress beyond just the basics.

[timmyquest]

especially if you think there's a chance you want to progress beyond just the basics.


I think many of you fail to see that most of us here are already beyond the basics, all you have to do is go look at one of your friends photo album ;)

[defordphoto]

belmondo wrote:
RFMSports wrote:Alot of hard-core photographers like myself really love it when a newbie falls into photography as a hobby with a big wad of cash in their pocket. Then they blow it on all the super expensive schtuff cause they think the more they pay, the better the photographer they will be.


You talkin' about me?


God I hope so, You have some really cool stuff. :)

[arthurb]

RFMSports wrote:Alot of hard-core photographers like myself really love it when a newbie falls into photography as a hobby with a big wad of cash in their pocket. Then they blow it on all the super expensive schtuff cause they think the more they pay, the better the photographer they will be.

Well, RFM, if you are not careful, the photography industry enforcers wiil have you wearing cement overshoes.

Don't you understand that attitude is what keeps all the photography companies in business?

I mean there are probably people even here who own the Canon EF 400mm f/2.8L IS USM which sells for $6,499.95

:)
Now I guess I will have to worry about the L glass enforcers.

[timmyquest]

Thanks for all your help guys. Someone (sorry i dont know your name on the boards) pointed out that best buy often has good financing plans and for the 300D this week there is 12 months intrest. And now is as good a time as ever to start building my credit.

With that said i'm getting my 300D today!

I cant wait :-D

[CyberDyneSystems]

Be sure and come back to post some pictures for us in the "Share" forum :)

[timmyquest]

CyberDyneSystems wrote:
Be sure and come back to post some pictures for us in the "Share" forum :)


We'll start with this one

http://www.antiwall.com/pictures/300D.jpg

[defordphoto]

timmyquest wrote:
CyberDyneSystems wrote:
Be sure and come back to post some pictures for us in the "Share" forum :)


We'll start with this one

http://www.antiwall.com/pictures/300D.jpg

There's a happy Canon owner!

Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[timmyquest]

Thank you thank you...just watched "we were soldiers" with my brothers, spent the time thumbing through my manual...

[Canuck]

belmondo wrote:
I'm a 10D user, and I decided I wanted a smaller P&S to carry with me in the car and in situations where the SLR would be total overkill. I bought a G5.

Given a choice between a Drebel and a G5 as my primary (or only) camera, I can answer in two words: shutter lag. Good grief, it can be frustrating waiting for the G5 to decide if and/or when it's going to fire.

Get the D300. You'll be much better off, especially if you think there's a chance you want to progress beyond just the basics.




Tom,
You just gave me an idea. I have a family member that has the Oly D380 and it is only 2MP. Next time I see that person, we might exchange cameras for a few min. I have a really good feeling I will be stepping backwards in the way back direction. I think I might have to give a 2 hr seminar on how to use it before I hand it over. :) Maybe not.

I have also found this bit rather interesting on 25 Dec... here was the scenario, one of my friend's daughters who is 12 wanted to play with the 10D. I said that it was ok, and only if she put the neckstrap on. It was the 10D, Big Ed attached and the 16-35 L lens on it at that time. It was a lot bigger nad heavier then she thought. I wasn't too surprised. I was stunned at the pics she took. Ok, so what was the hitch? A couple were way out of focus, and the main bit was that I set it to AF and to full auto. It was set up to be point and shoot, nothing more, or less. I mean how much does the average 12 yr old know about composing pics and how fstop and shutter speed correlate. I have not and will not be dethroned by a 12 yr old! I was wondering how long it would be before she sais that she wanted one. I said that I don't think so for reasons of cost and well, you can imagine the rest! It was amusing nonetheless. Shortly thereafter, I set it back to RAW and began to get my pics on. That is the one thing I can't seem to get across, is how long it can take to get pics to people, especially when taking say 50 in RAW! If only I could show them. Granted, I sometimes let it slide, especially ones that aren't pressing, but don't we all sometimes? I have some RAW pics that are like 8 months old that still need sorting, but haven't been bothered as there isn't any need to get them done in any hurry. They are numbered in the img_200s.

[Belmondo]

I know what you mean about getting behind in sorting, and post-processing images. I have hundreds and hundreds that I should do, but just haven't bothered with. Tonight, for example, I was out at sunset watching the hot air balloons land, and out of two dozens pictures, I was only able to get one where the flame was illuminating the bottom of the air bag. I could tell that from the thumbnails, so I didn't even bother with the rest. There might be a real pearl in those other pictures, and I suppose I'll try to find out someday, but for now, I'll concentrate on the one I know is good.

Similarly, the sunset tonight was absolutely gorgeous, and I took maybe 20 pictures of that. In this case, the thumbnails all look pretty similar, so the only way to find the best one is to wade through all of them.

It is amazing what these cameras are capable of in 'full-auto' mode. I've gotten into the habit of setting the camera and lens to auto made every time I finish using them. That way, if I ever have to grab the camera and take a picture in a hurry, I know I can generally trust the camera to decide the settings, and my chances will be pretty good of getting something that will work. If time allows, I'll go into the settings for something more appropriate.

[Canuck]

belmondo wrote:
I know what you mean about getting behind in sorting, and post-processing images. I have hundreds and hundreds that I should do, but just haven't bothered with. Tonight, for example, I was out at sunset watching the hot air balloons land, and out of two dozens pictures, I was only able to get one where the flame was illuminating the bottom of the air bag. I could tell that from the thumbnails, so I didn't even bother with the rest. There might be a real pearl in those other pictures, and I suppose I'll try to find out someday, but for now, I'll concentrate on the one I know is good.

Similarly, the sunset tonight was absolutely gorgeous, and I took maybe 20 pictures of that. In this case, the thumbnails all look pretty similar, so the only way to find the best one is to wade through all of them.

It is amazing what these cameras are capable of in 'full-auto' mode. I've gotten into the habit of setting the camera and lens to auto made every time I finish using them. That way, if I ever have to grab the camera and take a picture in a hurry, I know I can generally trust the camera to decide the settings, and my chances will be pretty good of getting something that will work. If time allows, I'll go into the settings for something more appropriate.


You know what I wish the 10D would do?
Shoot RAW in the programmed modes! Now that would be the best of all worlds. I know how awesome those sunsets out west can be, I spent 3+ yrs in Tucson. I have one I took on 35mm that I need to scan to make it quazi-digital, much like the pics on the website I'm putting together, marked as 35mm. I shoot manual almost exclusively now and that is the first time it has seen a programmed mode in at least 2 months, like since I discovered how much better RAW is. Come to think of it, there were some pics I took JPEG the middle of October.