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Whaler
31st of December 2003 (Wed), 09:17
Dumb question: If you place the aforementioned filter on a digital camera, won't the white balance try to compensate for the additional color/warmth?

Thanx

Mike

Belmondo
31st of December 2003 (Wed), 09:20
As I understand things, if you have AWB 'on,', then it will.
If you manually set the white balance, it won't.


Interesting question.

defordphoto
31st of December 2003 (Wed), 09:23
Just acquiring a couple of CP's I will definitely have to perfom some tests. Yes, interesting...

Scottes
31st of December 2003 (Wed), 09:49
I'm not sure that I even understand why one would use a warming filter with a digital camera, given that it's trivial to set this when converting RAW.

OK, change that to "...if shooting RAW..." - a warming filter would make sense if you shoot JPG I guess. (Even still, it's pretty trivial to use an Adjustment Layer to add warmth.) So if one shoots JPG and doesn't do any developing - or wants to lessen developing time - then using a warming filter would make sense.

Is this correct? Can anyone offer any other reasons?

iwatkins
31st of December 2003 (Wed), 11:02
scottes wrote:
Is this correct? Can anyone offer any other reasons?


I think you are right. Any warm up or cool down needed can be done in post process. That of course assumes you want to do any post process. :)

I do use a circ pol. (but not a warm up one) a lot and leave the camera on AWB in RAW mode and add/take warmth at post process stage.

However, it is very difficult to add the effect of a circ pol in post process though. :)

Only filters I use these days are circ pol and some graduated NDs. Just about everything else can be added during post process.

Cheers

Ian

scottbergerphoto
31st of December 2003 (Wed), 16:51
I shoot Raw, Adobe RGB, and use a B+W CPL with my 16-35 2.8L to shoot landscapes. It is not negated by the White Balance(Automatic or Daylight). I challenge you to produce the same results in post processing. It is well worth the additional cost if you like deep blue skies.
Scott

defordphoto
31st of December 2003 (Wed), 17:15
Scott, I don't think it was being suggested that it was being negated, but maybe over-compensated a little. And that's a big maybe.

Scottes
31st of December 2003 (Wed), 18:58
I highly doubt that one could reproduce the effects of a polarizer in post-processing. But that's not a challenge - I'd be very interested if someone could decribe how to post-process and significantly reduce glare and the like.

But the warming filter's effects could easily be done in post-processing.

scottbergerphoto
31st of December 2003 (Wed), 21:56
OK that's it! Pistols at Dawn!
Just kidding. Happy New Year!
Scott

Belmondo
31st of December 2003 (Wed), 22:26
Okay, I think it's time you two just give it up and go have a drink. It's New Years, and this is not a time for sober contemplation.

Actually, it's not a time for sober anything.!

Happy New year.

Thos.

Whaler
1st of January 2004 (Thu), 10:51
My thread has been "HIJACKED". I think the answer I'm getting is; use a regular polarizer then use software. Thanx I ju$t $aved $ome $money$ on a polarizer.

Scottes
1st of January 2004 (Thu), 12:24
whaler wrote:
My thread has been "HIJACKED". I think the answer I'm getting is; use a regular polarizer then use software. Thanx I ju$t $aved $ome $money$ on a polarizer.

Yes, but make sure it's a circular polarizer if you wish to autofocus.


There! I've un-hijacked this thread before the other Scott could. That scalliwag! I got him, huh?

:)

scottbergerphoto
1st of January 2004 (Thu), 12:38
scottes wrote:
whaler wrote:
My thread has been "HIJACKED". I think the answer I'm getting is; use a regular polarizer then use software. Thanx I ju$t $aved $ome $money$ on a polarizer.

Yes, but make sure it's a circular polarizer if you wish to autofocus.


There! I've un-hijacked this thread before the other Scott could. That scalliwag! I got him, huh?

:)
Sorry for the hijack. Scott is correct. You need a good circular polarizer. B+W is my choice.
Happy New Year,
Scott

Whaler
1st of January 2004 (Thu), 17:02
Thanx guys,

I just ordered a B&W Cir HMC (ouch) from B & H. While I've got your attention, I've got a couple of questions;

1. In the old days (20 yrs ago), a lens always performed (theoretically) it's best at the middle f stop. Example, if the highest f stop of a lens was f22 the lens would perform (optically) its best at f11. Does this still hold true?

Any advise on digital night shooting? I will be shooting from a hilltop at city lights. In the old days of film I would have set the f stop then choose "B" for the shutter speed expose for 5 seconds and bracket up to let's say 1 minute. Is this still a good methodology?

Mike