Heard it again - 10d being discontinued

[daaaveman]

I know there was a discussion on this not so long ago but I was in Ritz camera in Houston today (on vacation) and both sales reps confirmed that their "official Canon rep" had told them that the 10d was being discontinued and the drebel was to be considered the replacement for it. They were told by their Canon rep that they would get no more 10d's.

Please ease my troubled mind and tell me that this is just another ugly rumor of the demise of the 10d - I'm still saving for one!!!

Surely this is bunk and the Ritz guys don't know what they're talking about....................right????

[Sketcher]

You're right, it's a rumor.

- nothing to see here people -

- move along -

- I SAID MOVE ALONG!!-

-EDIT-> Image below added long after reply was originally posted.
http://www.pbase.com/image/24800909/original.jpg

[tpinchback]

Why would canon discontinue the d10, for the Drebel, when the Drebel lacks on lots the functions that the d10 has?? Does not make sense to me.

[daaaveman]

I know it makes no sense. Just passing along what I would have bought as truth - given the source - if I wasn't a member of this forum where the voice of reason rules (usually)!?

They didn't even try to sell me a D-100 or anything, just told me no more 10d's.

[tpinchback]

I think that guy is full of crap!

[tpinchback]

The salesman at ritz, not you.

[msnow]

Ritz sux, their prices are too high, their salespeople are not very knowledgable and now they are spreading rumors.

[pradeep1]

The 10D will probably be discontinued much like the D60 was recently and replaced with something with more capabilities and a fitting caliber of features and price. The 300D would not seem to be fitting replacement to the 10D, no matter how smart Ritz camera salespeople think they are.

[aslondon]

I have talked with several Ritz sales people in the St petersburg, Florida area and they all have claimed to have heard it from their "Canon Rep" that the 10d was discontinued "because of some focusing problems" They didn't try to sell me anything else just imparted this tidbit of "knowledge."

[pradeep1]

aslondon wrote:
I have talked with several Ritz sales people in the St petersburg, Florida area and they all have claimed to have heard it from their "Canon Rep" that the 10d was discontinued "because of some focusing problems" They didn't try to sell me anything else just imparted this tidbit of "knowledge."


Hmmm...interesting. There is that PMA(?) show coming up soon sometime isn't it. Most production of current models stops a few weeks or months before that show to fill the channels with the next line coming out. I remember the D60 was stopped or declared "discontinued" about 40-60 days before the 10D was announced. Watch the news for what's coming, because Canon has promised to introduce 20 new compact cameras in 2004. Don't know how many SLRs they are going to introduce, but I would not be surprised about a 10D replacement already.


http://www.dpreview.com/news/0312/03121801canons20newcamera.asp

[ilya]

pradeep1 wrote:
aslondon wrote:
I have talked with several Ritz sales people in the St petersburg, Florida area and they all have claimed to have heard it from their "Canon Rep" that the 10d was discontinued "because of some focusing problems" They didn't try to sell me anything else just imparted this tidbit of "knowledge."


Hmmm...interesting. There is that PMA(?) show coming up soon sometime isn't it. Most production of current models stops a few weeks or months before that show to fill the channels with the next line coming out. I remember the D60 was stopped or declared "discontinued" about 40-60 days before the 10D was announced. Watch the news for what's coming, because Canon has promised to introduce 20 new compact cameras in 2004. Don't know how many SLRs they are going to introduce, but I would not be surprised about a 10D replacement already.


http://www.dpreview.com/news/0312/03121801canons20newcamera.asp

Pradeep - one very important thing that's mentioned in that 20 new camera press release - China. That's the big elephant in the room. That holds huge potential, and that will shape the course of history in the coming years.

To all who worry that the 10D is going to be discontinued - why do you care? Is it going to make your camera be any less then it was before? I for one am happy to have a good copy of a fully successful product in Canon's line up. In a couple of years when my camera ban is lifted, I'll buy the next thing in my range.

[tpinchback]

ilya wrote:
pradeep1 wrote:
aslondon wrote:
I have talked with several Ritz sales people in the St petersburg, Florida area and they all have claimed to have heard it from their "Canon Rep" that the 10d was discontinued "because of some focusing problems" They didn't try to sell me anything else just imparted this tidbit of "knowledge."


Hmmm...interesting. There is that PMA(?) show coming up soon sometime isn't it. Most production of current models stops a few weeks or months before that show to fill the channels with the next line coming out. I remember the D60 was stopped or declared "discontinued" about 40-60 days before the 10D was announced. Watch the news for what's coming, because Canon has promised to introduce 20 new compact cameras in 2004. Don't know how many SLRs they are going to introduce, but I would not be surprised about a 10D replacement already.


http://www.dpreview.com/news/0312/03121801canons20newcamera.asp

Pradeep - one very important thing that's mentioned in that 20 new camera press release - China. That's the big elephant in the room. That holds huge potential, and that will shape the course of history in the coming years.

To all who worry that the 10D is going to be discontinued - why do you care? Is it going to make your camera be any less then it was before? I for one am happy to have a good copy of a fully successful product in Canon's line up. In a couple of years when my camera ban is lifted, I'll buy the next thing in my range.




Great point!!!

[aslondon]

only time will tell. Everything will be superseded at some point! Doesn't make any less great pics. Just getting harder to come by.

[defordphoto]

daaaveman wrote:
Surely this is bunk and the Ritz guys don't know what they're talking about....................right????

One thing you can go to the bank on: Anyone at Ritz knows little of what they say. They only say what gets them a sale.

At the PMA in February there will be many new cameras released. No one in the public knows what they are. All you read on the Internet and/or hear from Ritz/Kits/Wolf Camera employees is dribble. Canon does NOT release information like that to anyone, much less a supplier.

And if the 10D is indeed being discontinued so what? You'll then be saving for its replacement. One thing for sure the Drebel is not the 10D replacement. That leaves too huge a hole in the market with it then being wide open for Nikon to fill with a mid-level camera. Canon isn't stupid.

So, keep saving your money and quit listening to these stupid rumors from sources that have absolutely no clue whatsoever.

[ron chappel]

Wow,lots of doubting tomases here hey?

Yes the 10D will allmost certainly be replaced very soon.We've been hearing solid hints for months now and PMA will indeed be the likely time of anouncement for the succesor.
WAIT 'TILL THEN BEFORE BUYING!!!!
The new model WILL be better.Maybe not much cheaper though

[Sketcher]

My stance isn't that the 10D will/will not be replaced, superceded, discontinued or whatever this soon (I wouldn't know). My naysaying goes toward "Ritz" and similar being the town criers heralding the information to the masses. I recall these rumors and others only two months after the 10D hit the shelves when no one could keep them in stock. Retailers who claim to be "in the know" just didn't have a good reason why there was such a shortage so the magical dart board of inside information was put into play.

It'll be great if a 10D successor is released this soon. By the time I can afford it the issues will be well known and I'll be ready to have my 10D serve as backup. If I were considering a purchase now, I'd likely wait to see what pans out. But I'm pleased as punch that I've been able to shoot with a 10D this last year.

- keep moving along people - PMA is coming...

[mrchips]

..... and you believe car sales people too?

[defordphoto]

mrchips wrote:
..... and you believe car sales people too?

HAHA! I love it! That was perfect!!

[grahamtriggs]

tpinchback wrote:
Why would canon discontinue the d10, for the Drebel, when the Drebel lacks on lots the functions that the d10 has?? Does not make sense to me.

However, the Drebel has the same sensor as the 10D. How many functions are there on the 10D that could not be added to the Drebel simply by upgrading the firmware?

You can't rule out the possibility of Canon adding features to the Drebel firmware, and it would be the quick, easy and cheap thing to do to give the market another little click if they feel competitors closing in on the Drebel or 10D.

Although what might make more sense is to reconfigure the 10D with the mirror arrangement of the Drebel, so that it can take EF-S lenses.

[Tom W]

However, the Drebel has the same sensor as the 10D. How many functions are there on the 10D that could not be added to the Drebel simply by upgrading the firmware?

You can't rule out the possibility of Canon adding features to the Drebel firmware, and it would be the quick, easy and cheap thing to do to give the market another little click if they feel competitors closing in on the Drebel or 10D.

Although what might make more sense is to reconfigure the 10D with the mirror arrangement of the Drebel, so that it can take EF-S lenses.

Well, since we're in the mood for marketing rumors, how's this scenario? D-Reb gets a big brother, the D-RebTi, which essentially has all the features of today's 10D but sells for $1200 USD.

Now, the 10D and the 1D get discontinued for - ready for this - The Elan 7-D, with a 1:1.25 sensor size ratio and an 8 or so m-pixel CMOS sensor with the same pixel density as the D-Reb/10D. Features include everything that the 10D had, plus even faster focusing, true spot metering mode, a larger buffer, and perhaps a couple of other bells and whistles. Expect a sturdy camera, much like the Elan film version. Price: $1700-1800 USD.

Pure speculation on my part, but I enjoy it. :twisted:

PS: I'd buy one tomorrow! 8)

[defordphoto]

We can post all the guesses we want...My guess is that the new 10D (10Dx?) will get some significant features added (what I don't know) and be more in the $1800 range (street price) to distance itself away from the Drebel and still stay far enough away from the new 1D (1Dx?)

We'll find out in Feb.

[Canuck]

We can post all the guesses we want...My guess is that the new 10D (10Dx?) will get some significant features added (what I don't know) and be more in the $1800 range (street price) to distance itself away from the Drebel and still stay far enough away from the new 1D (1Dx?)

We'll find out in Feb.

The question is ok, we can speculate all we want, but only Canon themselves know what is up their sleeves. There is no need to get all bothered about it. I'm sitting back and waiting for Feb and the PMA. I know, some time ago I posted what would you like to see in the successor to the 10D, but that was in fun and we had some rather funny posts too.

That said, let the games begin and let Canon to leave Nikon in the dust!

[defordphoto]

We can post all the guesses we want...My guess is that the new 10D (10Dx?) will get some significant features added (what I don't know) and be more in the $1800 range (street price) to distance itself away from the Drebel and still stay far enough away from the new 1D (1Dx?)

We'll find out in Feb.

The question is ok, we can speculate all we want, but only Canon themselves know what is up their sleeves. There is no need to get all bothered about it. I'm sitting back and waiting for Feb and the PMA. I know, some time ago I posted what would you like to see in the successor to the 10D, but that was in fun and we had some rather funny posts too.

That said, let the games begin and let Canon to leave Nikon in the dust!

Just don't start any stupid firmware petitions or I'll have to come and kick your dog/cat/fence/whatever! :P

Wishlists are cool and we NEED to post wishlists so Canon knows how we feel. Not demand firmware upgrades. That ain't even gonna happen.

I'm just looking for stuff around here I can sell to get the new camera after the bugs are all owrked out in April/May or so...

Let's see...Wife? Nahh, she'd get all upset...The cats? Hmmm...Maybe. Time for a bif old freaking yard sale and get rid of some of this crap and get some major cash in for photo gear!

[Canuck]

We can post all the guesses we want...My guess is that the new 10D (10Dx?) will get some significant features added (what I don't know) and be more in the $1800 range (street price) to distance itself away from the Drebel and still stay far enough away from the new 1D (1Dx?)

We'll find out in Feb.

The question is ok, we can speculate all we want, but only Canon themselves know what is up their sleeves. There is no need to get all bothered about it. I'm sitting back and waiting for Feb and the PMA. I know, some time ago I posted what would you like to see in the successor to the 10D, but that was in fun and we had some rather funny posts too.

That said, let the games begin and let Canon to leave Nikon in the dust!

Just don't start any stupid firmware petitions or I'll have to come and kick your dog/cat/fence/whatever! :P

Wishlists are cool and we NEED to post wishlists so Canon knows how we feel. Not demand firmware upgrades. That ain't even gonna happen.

I'm just looking for stuff around here I can sell to get the new camera after the bugs are all owrked out in April/May or so...

Let's see...Wife? Nahh, she'd get all upset...The cats? Hmmm...Maybe. Time for a bif old freaking yard sale and get rid of some of this crap and get some major cash in for photo gear!

Jim,
I've done some silly stuff on this froum, but NEVER would I start a petiton. I was merely looking for ideas, and like you said a wishlist. I don't think the stuff I was asking for could be cured by firmware/petitioning Canon. I would never be so daft as to demand stuff. I bought the 10D realising eventually I would unearth some flaws and see about what others think in regard to it. If I didn't think it was an awesome product, believe you me, that I wouldn't have taken the plunge.

I have a deal for you: the day I start a petition, I will tell you how to get wherever in the world I am to come and kick my (whatever you want). Wishlists don't count as they are more like constructive critisism and may actually help Canon. Cool?

[defordphoto]

:) You were scaring me for a second there! heheh...I know you wouldn't start a petition as you know better.

[Canuck]

:) You were scaring me for a second there! heheh...I know you wouldn't start a petition as you know better.

I think you know me better than that by now, or should hope so.

[defordphoto]

:) You were scaring me for a second there! heheh...I know you wouldn't start a petition as you know better.

I think you know me better than that by now, or should hope so.

Absolutely!

[Sketcher]

Took some head scratching but finally remembered this post over in RG.

http://www.pbase.com/image/24800909/original.jpg

Nowhere near as reputable as those Ritz Camera guys, but as long as we're using 'reliable' sources ;)

[defordphoto]

Took some head scratching but finally remembered this post over in RG.

http://www.pbase.com/image/24800909/large.jpg

Nowhere near as reputable as those Ritz Camera guys, but as long as we're using 'reliable' sources ;)

Well, that's as close to coming from the horse's mouth that you can get. I remember reading that now. Good find. Let's keep that for future reference.

[daaaveman]

I knew the voice of reason would prevail. Enjoyed the debate. Thanks.

[Tom W]

Took some head scratching but finally remembered this post over in RG.

http://www.pbase.com/image/24800909/original.jpg

Nowhere near as reputable as those Ritz Camera guys, but as long as we're using 'reliable' sources ;)

Well, that kind-of takes the fun out of all this speculation, doesn't it?

Still, a good find, Sketcher!

[defordphoto]

The moral of this story is when you see anyone from Ritz/Kits or Wolf Cameras beginning to speak, quickly cover your ears and say loudly, "Nananananananananananananananana."

[msnow]

I hate to be a party pooper and thread killer but really....who cares?

This is the kind of post I would expect to see in dpreview not here.

There's going to be new equipment to replace old equipment, that's what makes the world go 'round and I like it that way.

[Sketcher]

I hate to be a party pooper and thread killer but really....who cares?

This is the kind of post I would expect to see in dpreview not here.

There's going to be new equipment to replace old equipment, that's what makes the world go 'round and I like it that way.

No worries msnow, the thread was fertilized, tilled and harvested before you got here. You don't really expect us to believe that you hate being a party pooper do you!? As if you agonized over hitting the submit button :lol: You're right about this kind of thread typically being found over at DP. Even FM's getting more of this kind of traffic. Glad to say though, if it hadn't been for yet another "Discontinued" post; I'd not likely have gotten riled up enough to dig up Chuck Westfall's post over in RG and actually contribute something.

Cheers!

[Molly55]

I was told by Dell, Ritz, and Wolf Camera that the 10D was no more. So I called the phone number on Canon's support site. They said "they have no info about it being discontinued." So I fussed and they gave me the phone number to Canon America, in New York. So I called them and they called me back. They insisted that it was still being sold and she knew nothing of it going away. Of course she couldn't say anything else. Nonetheless, I have been vehemently told by three huge retailers that the 10D is going bye-bye. BTW, Dell no longer stocks it and will not be getting anymore. Too bad for all of us hoping to use our Dell business account promotional discount coupons on one. And btw, nobody tried to sell me anything else, in fact the Ritz person offered to call a guy he knew who has a 10D to let me look at it before buying online -- all this while an SD9, *istD, 1D, and D100 was sitting under the glass upon which I leaned.

[Tom W]

I was told by Dell, Ritz, and Wolf Camera that the 10D was no more. So I called the phone number on Canon's support site. They said "they have no info about it being discontinued." So I fussed and they gave me the phone number to Canon America, in New York. So I called them and they called me back. They insisted that it was still being sold and she knew nothing of it going away. Of course she couldn't say anything else. Nonetheless, I have been vehemently told by three huge retailers that the 10D is going bye-bye. BTW, Dell no longer stocks it and will not be getting anymore. Too bad for all of us hoping to use our Dell business account promotional discount coupons on one.

I can understand Dell getting away from it - their market probably ends at the D-Rebel level or so. They may have been scared away from the higher end sales after the little "70-200L" lens issue. Ritz and Wolf are really one in the same. I'm wondering if they aren't happy with the profit margin on the 10D or something like that. Salespeople love to talk down the products that they don't sell, as well as the ones that they sell that earn them less money. I'm really not astute to the camera retail game, though.

I suspect that we'll just have to wait and see what happens. :)

[Molly55]

I can understand Dell getting away from it - their market probably ends at the D-Rebel level or so. They may have been scared away from the higher end sales after the little "70-200L" lens issue.

They had 1Ds on their website as recently as Cristmas week, but no 10d even when searching. So I called, and the salesman told me they could sell me either a 1D or a Rebel, but no deal on the 10D. "We stopped carrying it because it is not being made anymore," he said.

[Belmondo]

They also said the same thing about the 70-200 f/2.8L IS when they were trying to get people to cancel their orders. It was only later (when it became obvious that the lens was still being made) that they agreed to fill the orders, albeit slowly.

[Molly55]

I don't care if they stop selling it - I just want to make sure I can still get one new for a while. It's easy to think that if it gets replaced soon that used ones will abound at good prices, but it seems like 10D owners like them too much for that.

[Sketcher]

I can understand Dell getting away from it - their market probably ends at the D-Rebel level or so. They may have been scared away from the higher end sales after the little "70-200L" lens issue. Ritz and Wolf are really one in the same. I'm wondering if they aren't happy with the profit margin on the 10D or something like that. Salespeople love to talk down the products that they don't sell, as well as the ones that they sell that earn them less money. I'm really not astute to the camera retail game, though.

I suspect that we'll just have to wait and see what happens. :)

Well, I don't know where their market begins/ends but the 1DS is still available on Dell's site. Dell made very bold statements in 2003 regarding getting into the Digital Media market but at least regarding the few "Pro" items these forums are interested, they've been unable to meet demand. For the most part they're quite well stocked on the "normal" consumer items such as digicam's and printers.

http://cakeru.image.pbase.com/image/24800909/original.jpg

[Tom W]

I don't care if they stop selling it - I just want to make sure I can still get one new for a while. It's easy to think that if it gets replaced soon that used ones will abound at good prices, but it seems like 10D owners like them too much for that.

Almost everything I've read says that it is a great camera. There's plenty of people here that agree. In fact, depending on what happens with the next model release, I may soon buy one myself.

I have to think that if Canon does discontinue it, it will only be due to a new, improved model.

You may want to check Adorama, B&H, or Samy's - Last time I looked, they were still listing it. They are all reputable. You can also check your local, non-chain (or non-Ritz/Wolf) camera shop.

[Tom W]

Well, I don't know where their market begins/ends but the 1DS is still available on Dell's site. Dell made very bold statements in 2003 regarding getting into the Digital Media market but at least regarding the few "Pro" items these forums are interested, they've been unable to meet demand. For the most part they're quite well stocked on the "normal" consumer items such as digicam's and printers.

Maybe they are reconsidering WRT the "high-end" stuff. I know that they sell the likes of the S-400, S-50, and their competitors like hotcakes (along with their computers, of course). If they want to seriously get into the camera business, I think that's a good thing. But they had better know the business well and stock up on anything that they intend to give away at below market.

[Belmondo]

I stopped in a Ritz store in a major mall in Southern California. I asked the managing 'cracker' :

1. Any Rebels in stock? Answer: No but I will sell you our demo (a much-abused looking thing that obviously had been pawed by countless hordes of lookers.

2. Any 10D's in stock? Answer: Are you kidding? (Translation: they hadn't seen a 10D in their store since August and didn't know if the were ever going to get any.)

3. Have you heard any rumors about the 10D being discontinued? Answer: No. :?

Later in the day, I stopped at the locals Best Buy to see if they'd gotten any Rebels in (January 6th had been given as a possible date for them to receive a shipment.). I asked the Photo Department manager:

1. Have you received any Rebels? Answer: Not yet.

2. Have any of the ones you've sold come back defective? Answer: Not yet.

3. I see you have a Rebel in your display case. Can I buy that one? Answer: No. It was returned---there's something wrong with it.

Perhaps at Best Buy, 'defective' does not mean the same thing as 'there's something wrong with it.' :?

[Jim Larson]

Well, that's as close to coming from the horse's mouth that you can get. I remember reading that now. Good find. Let's keep that for future reference.

Please keep in mind that the CF quote from the RG forum is now several months old. I would not consider a 10D replacement at 2004 PMA a contradiction to this statement.

NOW, I admit being new to *this* forum, but I am surprised no one has stated the obvious:

The obvious camera due for replacement is the Canon 1D. This camera is the oldest, and lowest MP, camera.

[further speculation] It is possible that a single model may replace both the 10D and 1D. Such a camera must have both the AF system and speed of the 1D and the cost of the 10D. This is not likely.

It may be possible that both the 1D and 10D are replaced. In this case, the 1D replacement would likely feature the 45pt AF system and speed of the 1D with a better sensor (6mp or higher, with 1.3 FOV or full frame), and possibly a $2000 or $2500 price. A 10D replacement would probably feature the full 10D feature set and 1.6 FOV crop. Likely improvements would be a EF-S mount :oops: and possibly a better AF sensor. An increase in MP count would be a possibility. Cost can be no lower than $1100 unless the r=Rebel is dropped in price.[/further speculation]

[cold hard truth] The dRebel is a Rebel. It just ain't getting Custom Functions. It will never have Flash Exposure Compensation. Yes, there will be a $900 camera with these features => when the rebel reaches $700.[/cold hard truth]

[defordphoto]

Jim-

With Canon anything is a possibility. I would not be shocked, dumbfounded, or heck, even found dumb if the 10D was replaced. One thing I do know for sure is that we have definitely mentioned that the 1D is being replaced. That's common knowledge. We just haven't spoke that in this particular thread.

One thing I do know is that I'll be glad when PMA is over so everyone can get off this "What are they going to do" mindset. They'll do what they do and they'll certainly do it in February at PMA and not a second sooner.

[ijohnson]

When is the PMA 2004 how? Anyone have a date?

[daaaveman]

PMA 2004 Schedule Overview
February 12-15, 2004
All events take place at the Las Vegas Convention Center
unless otherwise indicated
Monday, February 9
8:00 a.m.
PSPA Golf Tournament - Paiute Golf Resort

12:00 noon - 6:00 p.m.
Registration Open
3:00 p.m. - 6:00 p.m.
PSPA Marketing Seminar - Las Vegas Hilton
6:00 p.m.
PSPA Early Bird Reception - Las Vegas Hilton

Tuesday, February 10
7:00 a.m. - 7:00 p.m.
Registration Open
7:30 a.m.
PSPA Convention - Las Vegas Hilton
8:00 a.m.
PMA Golf Tournament - Paiute Golf Resort
2:00 p.m. - 6:00 p.m.
DIMA Conference Sessions
5:00 p.m. - 6:00 p.m.
PSPA Welcome Reception - Las Vegas Hilton
6:00 p.m. - 6:30 p.m.
DIMA First Timer & New Member Reception
6:00 p.m. - 7:00 p.m.
DIMA Welcome Reception

Wednesday, February 11
7:00 a.m. - 7:00 p.m.
Registration Open
7:00 a.m. - 5:00 p.m.
DIMA Conference
7:30 a.m.
PSPA Convention - Las Vegas Hilton
8:00 a.m.
PMA Golf Tournament - Paiute Golf Resort
12:00 noon - 3:00 p.m.
PMA Sneak Peek 2004 - Press ONLY - Las Vegas Hilton
5:00 p.m. – 6:00 p.m.
PSPA Farewell Reception - Las Vegas Hilton
5:00 p.m. - 6:00 p.m.
PMA Welcome Reception
7:00 p.m.
PIEA Dutch-Treat Dinner – Z’Tejas Southwestern Grill

Thursday, February 12
5:30 a.m.
PIEA Photo Safari to Valley of Fire State Park - Alexis Park Resort
6:15 a.m.
Fun Run - Las Vegas Hilton
6:30 a.m. - 5:30 p.m.
Registration Open
7:00 a.m. - 8:00 a.m.
Mini-Breakfast Sessions
8:00 a.m.
PPFA Convention
8:30 a.m. - 9:45 a.m.
Official Business Session
9:45 a.m.
Trade Exhibits Open
9:45 a.m. - 5:30 p.m.
Division Members Hospitality Lounge
12:00 noon - 2:00 p.m.
Spouse Program
2:00 p.m. - 2:50 p.m.
Midday Sessions
2:00 p.m. - 3:00 p.m.
International Language Sessions
2:00 p.m. - 3:50 p.m.
Tutorials
3:00 p.m. - 3:50 p.m.
Midday Sessions Repeated
5:30 p.m.
Trade Exhibits Close
5:30 p.m.
Get Acquainted Reception
5:30 p.m.
U.S. Divisions Reception
5:30 p.m.
PIEA Roundtable Discussions
5:30 p.m.
PPFA Hitchhikers Reception
5:30 p.m.
NAPET Reception
5:30 p.m.
APCI Reception
5:30 p.m.
U.S. Divisions Reception
6:00 p.m. - 7:00 p.m.
International Reception - Las Vegas Hilton
7:00 p.m.
PIEA Reception
7:00 p.m. - 9:50 p.m.
Night Schools

Friday, February 13
6:15 a.m.
Fun Run - Las Vegas Hilton
6:30 a.m. - 5:30 p.m.
Registration Open
7:00 a.m. - 8:00 a.m.
Mini-Breakfast Sessions
7:30 a.m.
PIEA Continental Breakfast
8:00 a.m.
PPFA Convention
8:00 a.m. - 11:00 a.m.
PIEA Educators Workshop
8:30 a.m. - 9:20 a.m.
Consumer Markets, Portrait/School Markets, Commercial, Markets and Emerging Digital Markets General Sessions
9:30 a.m. - 10:45 a.m.
Official Business Session
10:45 a.m.
Trade Exhibits Open
10:45 a.m. - 5:30 p.m.
Division Members Hospitality Lounge
11:30 a.m.
NAPET-Sponsored Manufacturers' Luncheon
12:00 noon - 2:00 p.m. Spouse Program
2:00 p.m. - 2:50 p.m. Midday Sessions
2:00 p.m. - 3:00 p.m. International Language Sessions
2:00 p.m. - 3:50 p.m. Tutorial
3:00 p.m. - 3:50 p.m. Midday Sessions Repeated
5:30 p.m. Trade Exhibits Close
5:30 p.m. - 6:30 p.m. President's Reception
5:30 p.m. PPFA Reception “Face-to-Face Showcase”
6:30 p.m. - 7:30 p.m. National Receptions
7:00 p.m. PIEA An Evening With an Artist - Las Vegas Hilton
7:00 p.m. - 9:50 p.m. Night Schools

Saturday, February 14
6:15 a.m. Fun Run - Las Vegas Hilton
6:30 a.m. - 5:30 p.m. Registration Open
7:00 a.m. - 8:00 a.m. Mini-Breakfast Sessions
7:30 a.m. PIEA Continental Breakfast
8:00 a.m. PPFA Convention
8:00 a.m. - 11:00 a.m. Digital Short Course Seminar
8:00 a.m. - 12:00 noon PIEA Educators Workshop
8:30 a.m. - 9:20 a.m. Consumer Markets, Portrait/School Markets, Commercial, Markets and Emerging Digital Markets General Sessions
9:30 a.m. - 10:45 a.m. Official Business Session
10:45 a.m. Trade Exhibits Open
10:45 a.m. - 5:30 p.m. Division Members Hospitality Lounge
12:00 noon - 2:00 p.m. Spouse Program
2:00 p.m. - 2:50 p.m. Midday Sessions
2:00 p.m. - 3:00 p.m. International Language Sessions
2:00 p.m. - 3:50 p.m. Tutorial
2:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m. PIEA Special Workshop
3:00 p.m. - 3:50 p.m. Midday Sessions Repeated
5:30 p.m. Trade Exhibits Close
5:30 p.m. PMA Big Night Reception - Mandalay Bay Resort
7:00 p.m. PMA Big Night - MAMMA MIA! - Mandalay Bay Resort

Sunday, February 15
6:15 a.m. Fun Run - Las Vegas Hilton
6:30 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. Registration Open
7:30 a.m. - 9:00 a.m. Official Business Breakfast Session
7:30 a.m. PIEA Continental Breakfast
8:00 a.m. PIEA National Meeting and Board Meeting
9:00 a.m. Trade Exhibits Open
9:15 a.m. PPFA Convention
9:30 a.m. Hourly Prize Drawing
10:30 a.m. Hourly Prize Drawing
11:30 a.m. Hourly Prize Drawing
12:30 p.m. Hourly Prize Drawing
1:00 p.m. Trade Exhibits Close
1:00 p.m. Parting Shot
1:15 p.m. Grand Prize Drawing

[Tom W]

When is the PMA 2004 how? Anyone have a date?

Its February 12-15th in Las Vegas. I don't have a date yet. :)

[Pekka]

I don't usually comment on these speculations but...
Now that 1D is "old" and prosumers have 10D and consumers have 300D which are to be considered "new" it seems logical that the next announcement will be 1D replacement which will be "new" technology and design and to which subsquent prosumer and consumer models will be based on.

But I don't think it will be over 8mp because they don't want it to kill 1Ds demand instantly. Also what means a lot for PJ's and sports shooters is that megapixel size does not fill the cards too quickly and slow down the shooting (card speed technology has not been in par with camera speeds). Or then they will put in a 14mp chip and use 2.5" external firewire/USB2 belt hard drives...

[daaaveman]

I trust that we have some members of this forum attending who will report back to those of us waiting impatiently for news!

[Mikey-2u]

Over xmas I was looking at buying a 10D but they were in London, and still are, rare as rocking horse droppings. I was told that a staff member at Canon was looking to buy one but for some reason it was not on the list-make your own judgement - People are right on here to say that if it was discontinued, it still is a great camera - BUT, I would be well peeved if the new one is a similar price and has 8.3 million pixels!!

[Tom W]

B&H had 10D's in stock briefly on Thursday, but by Saturday, they were on backorder again. Yesterday, KEH has some in stock - today, they don't. I think they're flying off the shelves as fast as Canon can ship them.

[msvirick]

Discount the rumors.
10D is alive and well.
Pundits say it has a long life yet.

[PaulB]

Just before Christmas there were rumours i indeed some retailers were told by Canon that there was an updated 10D on the way.
The other day though one of my Pro outlets informed me that although the 1D was to be updated (which I know to be so from another source - cannot divulge any info, Sorry) Canon had told them the 10D was not and would continue .

[David Wild]

Over xmas I was looking at buying a 10D but they were in London, and still are, rare as rocking horse droppings. I was told that a staff member at Canon was looking to buy one but for some reason it was not on the list-make your own judgement - People are right on here to say that if it was discontinued, it still is a great camera - BUT, I would be well peeved if the new one is a similar price and has 8.3 million pixels!!

I was in a branch of Dixons (a British Photo/electronic chain) last week, and they had a 10D on the shelf - but still at the old price, more than £200 on top of the prices being advertised in the magazines.

No other retailer has said that they are unobtainable, but they sell as fast as they come in.

[gcogger]

I think they use the same sensor as the 300D? If so, I imagine Canon are simply using the sensors for the 300D (that they can't supply fast enough to meet demand) and that is why the 10D is in short supply.

[defordphoto]

I think they use the same sensor as the 300D? If so, I imagine Canon are simply using the sensors for the 300D (that they can't supply fast enough to meet demand) and that is why the 10D is in short supply.

Similar, but not the same. The construction of the camera's internals are totally different and the cameras are manufactured at entirely different plants. The 300D is manufactured in Taiwan (or China) I believe and the 10D is manufactured at Canon Japan.

I think they've ramped up their lines to manufacture the new 1D and that's why the 10D is in short supply. I don;t think we'll see a 10D replacement until fall 2004.

[PaulB]

OK - not rumour so far as I'm concerned as I trust my sources.
I think I do know what is slated for PMA2004 and at one time there was strong talk amongst Pro dealers that the 10D was in line for an update early this tear.
This was catagorically denied to me the other day by a Pro dealer who had received a notice to that effect from on high.
I can and shall say no more.
Now the 1D.......................

[Tom W]

I guess that means that I may not be the last person to buy a 10D. :D

One question for anybody that might know: What's the largest physical size of sensor that might work with the EF-S lens without vignetting?

[hmo66]

This is my first post in this forum. My last digiCam was Minolta A1 (an upgrade from Minolta D7i). Shortly after buying the A1 I decided that DSLR is the way to go (I will not burden you with the reasons behind my decision) and immediately sold the A1. I spent the last 6 weeks looking into available DSLR offerings and decided it will be either Nikon D100 (15%) or Canon 10D (85%).

I wanted to comment on the issue of 10D replacement:

1) Don't disregard dealer tips. I had a tip from Minolta dealer that a DSLR will be introduced in Feb. 2004. That was early September; the official info was only released around December. So dealers have their own info channels.

2) In my opinion, the Nikon D70 will *kill* the dRebel in its current state. Based on that, I think Canon should introduce an advanced dRebel based on the 10D (black with all bells & whistles including the EF-S lenses mount) at a lower price $1-1.2K. (D70 Killer)

3) Now, to fill the 10D market, Canon should introduce a combined 1D&10D replacement @ $1.8-2.2K price range. Why? Because Nikon must be working on a D100 replacement since D70 is so close to it in terms of features and price.

[IanD]

When is the PMA 2004 how? Anyone have a date?

Its February 12-15th in Las Vegas. I don't have a date yet. :)
Tom,
For $500 i can get you a date in Vegas :shock: :shock: :shock:
Ian

[Tom W]

When is the PMA 2004 how? Anyone have a date?

Its February 12-15th in Las Vegas. I don't have a date yet. :)
Tom,
For $500 i can get you a date in Vegas :shock: :shock: :shock:
Ian

LOL - I was wondering how long that would take. :D

[IanD]

When is the PMA 2004 how? Anyone have a date?

Its February 12-15th in Las Vegas. I don't have a date yet. :)
Tom,
For $500 i can get you a date in Vegas :shock: :shock: :shock:
Ian

LOL - I was wondering how long that would take. :D
Tom,
Just loged on. Was out all day yesterday. Next time i'll scan the posts before going to bed :lol:
Ian

[Tom W]

I had thought my silly wit would have brought a few replies, but you're the only one that noticed. Or at least the only one that thought it was worthy of a laugh. :)

[Canoman1978]

Just wanted to throw this in here...I work at Circuit City and we do sell the 10D...but, we are not carrying the 10D any longer. It is being sold out, and when supplies are empty, will not be receiving any more.

[defordphoto]

For your rumor-mongers: Here's the latest from FM via DPR for announcement at PMA:

- 10Dn: like 10D but EF-S compatible, some improovements
- 1Dn: 8mp, 8 fps, 1.3x
- 1Dsn: 16mp, 3fps, FF (Maybe not until Photokina)

[PaulB]

I guess that means that I may not be the last person to buy a 10D. :D

One question for anybody that might know: What's the largest physical size of sensor that might work with the EF-S lens without vignetting?

Same as the existing one - note that the internals of the 300D (mirror box etc.) are different to the 10D and that even a modified 18-55mm can foul the inside of a 10D.

[IanD]

I had thought my silly wit would have brought a few replies, but you're the only one that noticed. Or at least the only one that thought it was worthy of a laugh. :)
Tom,
As others will attest, I march to the beat of a different drummer. The dude skips a beat every now and again. :roll:
Hell, look at my mascot :shock:
Ian

[Tom W]

I guess that means that I may not be the last person to buy a 10D. :D

One question for anybody that might know: What's the largest physical size of sensor that might work with the EF-S lens without vignetting?

Same as the existing one - note that the internals of the 300D (mirror box etc.) are different to the 10D and that even a modified 18-55mm can foul the inside of a 10D.

I was more curious of the future direction for the "APS" sized sensors and what Canon might have in store for the longer term. Looks like 1.6 may be around for a while.

Me, I'd rather stay with upward-mobile lenses even if I choose to stay put. 17-40L is already on my wish list, barring something with a little more range and similar optics.