I don't need no stinkin' IS !

[PetKal]

Recently I did some test shooting of the EF300mm f/4.0L USM. That's the previous non-IS version of the lens. The shots turned out better than I expected. (I also shoot with the current IS version of the lens.)
So I thought I'd share a few with my buddies here.

These are JPG originals, straight outta camera, handheld camera/lens, the way I normally do photos. Out of 8 comparable shots at shutter speeds 1/40sec to 1/125 sec, 2 turned out blurry, 6 are viable. These are two examples @ 1/125sec and 1/40 sec.

Malone might be right in saying that IS is for ghurl-men. Real men/women need no IS.....no pods either, eh ?;) :lol:

[Pete]

Judging by your taste in books, arthritis probably plays a large part in the steadiness of your hands...! ;)

Very impressive though.

[PetKal]

Judging by your taste in books, arthritis probably plays a large part in the steadiness of your hands...! ;)

Very impressive though.


Right you are there:lol: :lol: , what a thought......a side benefit of getting stiff with age.:lol: (Not that, Condyk... down boy;) )
Incidentally, those are bookshelves in my grandson's school library.

[JaGWiRE]

Petkal if you have any IS lenses you want to give me, I'de be glad to take them, even if they aren't IS i'de take them.

[PetKal]

Petkal if you have any IS lenses you want to give me, I'de be glad to take them, even if they aren't IS i'de take them.

Nah....I want you to grow up into a real Canuck-mensch, Jag....no IS for ya.:lol:
We gon shootin' together and they see you sportin' an IS lens.....so by association people might think that I am a putz too.

[JaGWiRE]

Nah....I want you to grow up into a real Canuck-mensch, Jag....no IS for ya.:lol:
We gon shootin' together and they see you sportin' an IS lens.....so by association people might think that I am a putz too.


Hm. I'm beginning to think maybe the 100-400 L is I want is a bad idea and I should stick to the Tamron 200-500 with no IS :D.

Seriously, you give me any non IS lens and I'll be as grateful as any boy ever could possibly be, more so then at christmas when opening gifts :D.

[baybud]

those are excellent shots that show your ability to handhold at long shutter speeds, how you work this as evidence that you don't need IS is beyond me! Frankly i think you would be amazing with IS lol hand holding for 8 seconds lol ;)

[JaGWiRE]

those are excellent shots that show your ability to handhold at long shutter speeds, how you work this as evidence that you don't need IS is beyond me! Frankly i think you would be amazing with IS lol hand holding for 8 seconds lol ;)


I'de pay money to see the day somebody does that sucessfully.

[PetKal]

those are excellent shots that show your ability to handhold at long shutter speeds, how you work this as evidence that you don't need IS is beyond me! Frankly i think you would be amazing with IS lol hand holding for 8 seconds lol ;)

:lol: This is all in jest, Baybud. A safe shutter speed for this sort of a camera/lens combo for me is about 1/500 sec, for static/moderately fast moving objects like this.

[JaGWiRE]

:lol: This is all in jest, Baybud. A safe shutter speed for this sort of a camera/lens combo for me is about 1/500 sec, for static/moderately fast moving objects like this.

What is that car? It looks like some sportsy italian futuristic car. I realise I'm fromt he new generation, but I have no idea what that is and am curious.

[PetKal]

What is that car? It looks like some sportsy italian futuristic car. I realise I'm fromt he new generation, but I have no idea what that is and am curious.

Not a clue Jag.:confused: Just saw it and snapped at it.
How about this one, same lens, same unprocessed JPG's, etc , etc....1/320 sec. ...100% crop.
However, I was cheating a bit here: my elbows were resting on a handrail. Perhaps you can see me in the eye catchlight.

[CyberDyneSystems]

I would have guessed a very Old Jaguar.. but can't tell from this angle as I'm no expert.
Or is this more jest? Seeing as how you are calling yourself JagWire? :lol:

[JaGWiRE]

Not a clue Jag.:confused: Just saw it and snapped at it.
How about this one, same lens, same unprocessed JPG's, etc , tec....1/320 sec.
However, I was cheating a bit here: my elbows were resting on a handrail. Perhaps you can see me in the eye catchlight.


Wow, I can. I want to see a 100% crop of that (i'm dieing to know what you look like, hehe.)

That's a pretty cool shot anyway. I have been checking the EXIF on some of these photos. You go shooting a lot, eh? i wish I was able to shoot as much (lack of transportation is and issue with me, and I live in the suburbs sort of so there really isn't much to shoot at say night, and to get to a pond I have to get a ride which takes about 15-20 minutes.)

BTW, are you allowed to take a photo of somebodies car with the liscense plate on and upload it to the web with it on? I'm just curious, not trying to get anyone in trouble or anything.

[CyberDyneSystems]

Oh I forgot to mention...


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Those images look soft to me :lol:

[PetKal]

I would have guessed a very Old Jaguar.. but can't tell from this angle as I'm no expert.
Or is this more jest? Seeing as how you are calling yourself JagWire? :lol:

Hey CDS, where have you been all evening.....we needed you on the "L collectors" thread to tell us about your experience with cleaning the 200 1.8 (?):rolleyes:

[PetKal]

Oh I forgot to mention...


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Those images look soft to me :lol:


Heck, your avatar looks very soft to me from this distance too, but I'd never tell you that......would not wanna hurt your feelings, ya know.:lol:

[JaGWiRE]

CD, funny story about my name.

Okay, so when I was like maybe 8 or 9 years old I stumbled upon my first forum on the net. While pondering a nick name, I began to think of cars (which I thought were cool I supose as many kids do at that age, of course I didn't know anything about them then and I still don't.) I thought and thought and thought that jaguar was a very classy sporty car. I then created the name, but of course at the time didn't know it was actually spelt jaguar. Ever since I kept the name as I've been going by it for quite some time.

[JaGWiRE]

Heck, your avatar looks very soft to me from this distance too, but I'd never tell you that......would not wanna hurt your feelings, ya know.:lol:

What's that saying? If you ain't got nothing good to say, don't say it, lol.. I've begun to learn even at my young age, sometimes it's best to keep what you are thinking to yourself, cause sometimes you'll hurt somones feelings or just get your butt kicked because you spoke the wrong words.

Congrats on your 4000th post btw (which will probably be posted in the next 5 minutes.)

[JaGWiRE]

In the spirit of this thread I just took a shot handheld at 300mm 1/20. I will upload in a minute the photo (it'll look like crap as it was shot at ISO 3200 due to my rooms crap lighting.)

[PetKal]

Here we go, 4000 posts, and my best commemorative shot ever.....looks like a Royal Navy coast guard ship on lake Ontario patrol....not sure what the heck that is ?:rolleyes: :confused:

[JaGWiRE]

Here we go, 4000 posts, and my best commemorative shot ever.....looks like a Royal Navy coast guard ship on lake Ontario patrol....not sure what the heck that is ?:rolleyes: :confused:

Congrats. And here is my 1/20 sec handheld shot. It was run through neat image noise removal software because the noise was horrid (my room has really really poor lighting.)

I think it MIGHT have a tiny little bit of image blur.

http://JaGWiRE.smugmug.com/photos/102498092-L-0.jpg

F7.1, 1/20 sec, ISO 3200, 300mm

[PetKal]

Congrats. And here is my 1/20 sec handheld shot. It was run through neat image noise removal software because the noise was horrid (my room has really really poor lighting.)

I think it MIGHT have a tiny little bit of image blur.

F7.1, 1/20 sec, ISO 3200, 300mm

Atta boy, that's the spirit. What's a bit of a blur in a big picture ?:rolleyes: It's the courage and concept that counts. :cool: Well done, Jag.

[JaGWiRE]

Atta boy, that's the spirit. What's a bit of a blur in a big picture ?:rolleyes: It's the courage and concept that counts. :cool: Well done, Jag.


I have a fine motor disability, so shakey hands :(. I'm not sure if theres blur in that photo or what, just a lot of noise.

[sirsloop]

that car is probably a factory five racing type 65 coupe...

[JaGWiRE]

that car is probably a factory five racing type 65 coupe...


That means? LOL.

[sirsloop]

What is that car? It looks like some sportsy italian futuristic car. I realise I'm fromt he new generation, but I have no idea what that is and am curious.

the car he was asking about... www.factoryfive.com

It was actually first made in 1965.

[MDJAK]

Petkal, I can't believe you own such a slow lens. A 300 f4? And you admit to that? Dante wouldn't be caught dead with it, and frankly neither would I. ;)

mark

[JaGWiRE]

Petkal, I can't believe you own such a slow lens. A 300 f4? And you admit to that? Dante wouldn't be caught dead with it, and frankly neither would I. ;)

mark

Are you suggesting he passes the lens down to me and buying something faster? :p.

[PetKal]

Petkal, I can't believe you own such a slow lens. A 300 f4? And you admit to that? Dante wouldn't be caught dead with it, and frankly neither would I. ;)

mark

I like that 300f/4 non-IS even better than the 300 f/4 IS....so I'll have both.
Besides, that's mah main FL.

So, you two Frodo's go ahead and seek self-pleasure and self-indulgence in your fast glass, see if I care.:lol:

[MDJAK]

Exactly.

mark

[MDJAK]

I like that 300f/4 non-IS even better than the 300 f/4 IS....so I'll have both.
Besides, that's mah main FL.

So, you two Frodo's go ahead and seek self-pleasure and self-indulgence in your fast glass, see if I care.:lol:

Oh, we know you care.;)

In fact, we know you care so much, you've been shining shoes, taking in laundry, detailing cars, all to save up enough money to buy yourself some fast glass too.

hehehehehe

mark

[JaGWiRE]

I like that 300f/4 non-IS even better than the 300 f/4 IS....so I'll have both.
Besides, that's mah main FL.

So, you two Frodo's go ahead and seek self-pleasure and self-indulgence in your fast glass, see if I care.:lol:

Do you really need both? I would be glad to borrow one from you :D.

(okay, obviously I'm getting annoying, so I apologize.)

[PetKal]

Oh, we know you care.;)

In fact, we know you care so much, you've been shining shoes, taking in laundry, detailing cars, all to save up enough money to buy yourself some fast glass too.



That's patently false ! I might have done those jobs while I had my business, but since I've retired my only source of regular income has been Sat/Sun paper delivery in my neighbourhood.

[PetKal]

Do you really need both? I would be glad to borrow one from you :D.

(okay, obviously I'm getting annoying, so I apologize.)

Jag, read my lips, boy....."Petkal must have both"...there, that's better.;)

[JaGWiRE]

Jag, read my lips, boy....."Petkal must have both"...there, that's better.;)

Any lenses you don't need or get enough use out of? Perhaps non L even? :D.

[CyberDyneSystems]

Jagger, I think your missing the key word in the title "lens Collector"

[JaGWiRE]

Jagger, I think your missing the key word in the title "lens Collector"


There has to be one not so precious lens that he doesn't want or need as part of his collection.

I say he dumps all NON L and just goes and collects all L. And I'll be the one who takes the non L. LOL.

*Dreams.* Hehe.

[Lani Kai]

Imagine what you could do WITH IS if you have such steady hands.

[4x4rock]

Petkal, do you have some pics taking with the 300 non IS.

Thanks

[PetKal]

The first four pictures posted in this thread were taken with the EF 300 f/4.0L USM (non-IS).

[Broncosaurus]

What is that car? It looks like some sportsy italian futuristic car. I realise I'm fromt he new generation, but I have no idea what that is and am curious.


It's a Ford. More accurately, it's modern replica of a Shelby Daytona coupe made for made for racing at Lemans 40+ years ago.

[Tyreman]

Yes sometimes you can get some amazing shots by handholding.
Its certainly possible and surprizing all at the same time.
It all depends ones quality of their physical day.

[condyk]

It's a Ford. More accurately, it's modern replica of a Shelby Daytona coupe made for made for racing at Lemans 40+ years ago.

Looks more like the kind of thing some tubby guy makes in his garage from a kit while his too thin and highly strung wife weeps alone over the laundry.

As to JagWire begging for a crumb of a lens ... man, even I am getting embarrassed and that takes a lot. Anyway, I have already been promised the 24-70mm L aka the 'rubber brick' in his will, so get in line kid :evil:

[PetKal]

Looks more like the kind of thing some tubby guy makes in his garage from a kit while his too thin and highly strung wife weeps alone over the laundry.

As to JagWire begging for a crumb of a lens ... man, even I am getting embarrassed and that takes a lot. Anyway, I have already been promised the 24-70mm L aka the 'rubber brick' in his will, so get in line kid :evil:

Good form, mate.:lol:

[JaGWiRE]

Good form, mate.:lol:


LOL. I apologize, it's in my nature to be a little moocher :).

[4x4rock]

The first four pictures posted in this thread were taken with the EF 300 f/4.0L USM (non-IS).


Sorry Petkal, I should have said...

- more pics from this lens please :)

I'm getting a used one next week and want to see some great pics from it.

I see that you prefer this over the IS, especially you have IS built-in hands. :D

Really, how handholdable is the 300mm?

Thanks

[PetKal]

Sorry Petkal, I should have said...

- more pics from this lens please :)

I'm getting a used one next week and want to see some great pics from it.

I see that you prefer this over the IS, especially you have IS built-in hands. :D

Really, how handholdable is the 300mm?

Thanks

OK, the lens I find easily handholdable down to about 1/200 sec. Lower than that, the keeper ratio can suffer. I also do much better with it when it's mounted on MkIIN than 20D. I think the extra camera weight stabilizes it.
I am sure you will enjoy your lens, it's a little delight.;)

Now some more shots. All these were shot today, JPGs, unprocessed, fully handheld.
The first shot at 1/125 sec, the second at 1/200 sec.

[PetKal]

As we start shooting around the 1/FL rule and above, one does not have to have an extra steady handhold, so one can start to snap more casually.

This was shot at 400 mm, JPG straight outta MkIIN. The original image then the 100% crop.
I should not need to say that I was on the wrong side of the gull for this shot. If I was shooting his left side, the image would have obviously had a better clarity. But, that's the way the photography cookie crumbles...gotta make the best shot for the conditions.

[4x4rock]

Petkal, thanks for the pictures.

300mm at 1/125! You do have very steady hands :)

The color saturation is really good. I'm excited, can't wait to get it.

I'll probably use it mostly for sports but will plan to get the extension tubes for flower shots and stuffs. Maybe getting a bird feeder to attract some birds in the back yard. :)

[Permagrin]

If I was shooting his left side, the image would have obviously had a better clarity. But, that's the way the photography cookie crumbles...gotta make the best shot for the conditions.

....he should have told you which was his best side! ;)

p.s. the more I shoot birds and fail, the more I appreciate even the ones you say aren't the best...

[PetKal]

Petkal, thanks for the pictures.

300mm at 1/125! You do have very steady hands :)

The color saturation is really good. I'm excited, can't wait to get it.

I'll probably use it mostly for sports but will plan to get the extension tubes for flower shots and stuffs. Maybe getting a bird feeder to attract some birds in the back yard. :)

You should be able to use it for wildlife, portraits/candids, landscape as well.
The only real drawback of the lens is the MFD....2.5 meters. The subsequent IS version was much improved that way.

[shaneotool]

What is that car? It looks like some sportsy italian futuristic car. I realise I'm fromt he new generation, but I have no idea what that is and am curious.

It's a Superformance Coupe.
Kind of like a kit car.

[PetKal]

....he should have told you which was his best side! ;)

p.s. the more I shoot birds and fail, the more I appreciate even the ones you say aren't the best...

he he....you are too modest, and I need testosteron injections or something to perk me up:

Just read that seagull post again....how many people can shoot a naked 300 mm prime at 400 mm ? I am becoming senile, god help my poor wife !:cry: :o

I meant to say "shot at 1/400 sec shutter speed".:oops:

[PEACHMAN]

Judging by your taste in books, arthritis probably plays a large part in the steadiness of your hands...! ;)

Very impressive though.Bahahahahahaha!

[PetKal]

Bahahahahahaha!

Et tu, Brute (Peachy):evil:

[Broncosaurus]

Looks more like the kind of thing some tubby guy makes in his garage from a kit while his too thin and highly strung wife weeps alone over the laundry.


Would she be happier if he spent all his time and money on L glass and honing his PP technique? Probably not.
Husbands without hobbies tend to hangout in bars and chase skirts. She should be happy for what she has:D

And who said I tubby?

[JaGWiRE]

he he....you are too modest, and I need testosteron injections or something to perk me up:

Just read that seagull post again....how many people can shoot a naked 300 mm prime at 400 mm ? I am becoming senile, god help my poor wife !:cry: :o

I meant to say "shot at 1/400 sec shutter speed".:oops:


Petkal, you know my age (don't want to go throwing #'s out here), and even at my young age I do things like that quite often, so don't feel bad.

[PetKal]

Petkal, you know my age (don't want to go throwing #'s out here), and even at my young age I do things like that quite often, so don't feel bad.
Thanx Jaggy, I will not tell them your real age, I promise.;)

[johnms88]

Its most likely a kit car of this old Ford racecar from LeMans
The Ford Coupe
http://www.factoryfive.com/table/ffrkits/coupe/coupekit.html



edit: whoops..didnt see that there's 4 pages to this thread :P

[JaGWiRE]

Thanx Jaggy, I will not tell them your real age, I promise.;)

Hey, it's not like a really big secret or anything. I just don't like everybody knowing because sometimes you'll say something and because of what people know about you you'll get some not so nice comments if I may word it like that.

[PEACHMAN]

Et tu, Brute (Peachy):evil:He he, no Caesar , merely a slight indiscretion..I stand at your back with no blade in hand..:cool:

[PetKal]

He he, no Caesar , merely a slight indiscretion..I stand at your back with no blade in hand..:cool:

Oh goody, Peachy, as long as you've got trully nothing in your hand:shock: :oops: (you would not use a sordid trick like that on an old man , would you?:rolleyes: )

[Double Negative]

Who needs IS is right! My old Tamron beats your crappy old 300mm though. Look how sharp this is! Shot handheld!!!

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[PetKal]

Who needs IS is right! My old Tamron beats your crappy old 300mm though. Look how sharp this is! Shot handheld!!!
;)

So, what's your point, laddie ?
Perhaps that you are more manly than I am ? Well, that's entirely possible.....NYC is replete with gender change surgeons who apparently work miracles.

[Double Negative]

So, what's your point, laddie ?
Perhaps that you are more manly than I am ? Well, that's entirely possible.....NYC is replete with gender change surgeons who apparently work miracles.

No point. Just having fun. Besides, that was shot in Denver. :)

[PetKal]

No point. Just having fun. Besides, that was shot in Denver. :)

:lol: You devil. :o (Batting my eyelids with eyelash extensions)

[Double Negative]

:lol: You devil. :o (Batting my eyelids with eyelash extensions)

ROFL... :)

In all seriousness though, those shots look good for being handheld. Good technique!