Why does 5d photos look better than flagship

[minime9us]

I have been lurking on ebay for some time now waiting for the best deal on the 1ds mark II. I now that I am about to pull the trigger, i go to pbase for the first time just to see the photos and i find that both the 1d Mark II not even the N and the 5D are producing sharper pictures than the 1ds Mark II. Whats with that. I havent heard anyone say that yet but i know that i cant be the only one to see it. I found a deal on ebay for a 1d mark II and now i found a 1d Mark II w/5500 actuation that comes with a 17-40L for only 3100. That sounds like an awesome deal but i cant get that 1ds mark II out of my head. Then that 5D Image Quality to my eyes look as good or better than any 1 series photos ive seen. Can somebody show me some 1ds mark II photos that prove me wrong. I need help this is sickening. LOL

[cwphoto]

Well the 1Ds Mark II is an older camera, what do you expect? :D

Have you considered that maybe the guy behind the camera has something to do with those pbase samples?

[kram]

Well the 1Ds Mark II is an older camera, what do you expect? :D

Have you considered that maybe the guy behind the camera has something to do with those pbase samples?

I would think the issue is mainly the former. I doubt one can establish a user bias in favor of the 5D :rolleyes: . No offence meant to 5D owners :lol:

[minime9us]

cwphoto i did for a while but the pbase gallery i was looking at was a photographer who used both the 1d mark II and 1ds Mark II. I was noticing how nice the 1ds Mark II photos were and then they started to not look as sharp. I wondered had happened then i looked at the exif data and saw that he was now using the 1d mark II. The difference was so pronounced that i knew which photos were taken by the 1ds mark II and 1d Mark II even before looking at exif data. I mention the 5d because it looks alot like the 1 d Mark II photos.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

i found a 1d Mark II w/5500 actuation that comes with a 17-40L for only 3100. That sounds like an awesome deal

You could get a 5D and a 17-40L brand new from B&H for hundreds less after rebates.

[minime9us]

Man i cant believe how good those 5d photos look. Is there anyone who thinks that the
1ds Mark II can beat it IQ wise? Im not talking about weather seals or anything else just image quality. I wish we could take a poll on this.

[cdifoto]

I wish we could take a poll on this.

Add a poll to this thread if you want one. You might not get too many knowledgeable and subjective replies though. Not many have shot both cameras.

[convergent]

Looking at images online is hardly a valid way to compare camera sharpness. Most 1DsMk2 bodies are in the hands of pros that probably don't post their work online. Besides, you can make an image look very sharp or very soft just by how you do final processing when preparing for the web. The 1DsMk2 is the best in terms of image quality, but it doesn't have some of the latest bells and whistles like the larger LCD, Picture Styles, etc. I just bought my first full frame and preferred a pro body to go with my other 1 series bodies (ease of use, durabilty, etc.) as well as the larger image size... but I can't see buying one at the new price when it seems to be on the block for replacement in the coming few months. The 5D is a bargain at double rebate price and I can't think you'll get hurt much if something better comes along in a few months.

[minime9us]

true maybe not a good idea. Its just hard to believe. I still want a 1ds mark II just because it can print up to 30x40 but i kinda think i might be giving up a little IQ by not going with the 5D. I was kinda hoping someone would say that the 1ds Mark II produces better IQ than 5D but that has not happened yet. I will be purchasing one of these cameras just as soon as i can make my mind up. As I see it now the 1ds Mark II beats the 5D in every catergory except IQ, but ability to print 30x40 and best IQ have me split between the two.

[cwphoto]

Man i cant believe how good those 5d photos look. Is there anyone who thinks that the
1ds Mark II can beat it IQ wise? Im not talking about weather seals or anything else just image quality. I wish we could take a poll on this.

IQ is marginal either way at best. Unless you need the pro features that a 1-series cam gives you, the 5D is an immensely capable camera in terms of quality images. For low-noise at high ISO the flag goes to the 5D.

[minime9us]

convergent if you read my post then you would see that the thing that made me even question the IQ of the 1ds Mark II was from pro who shot a wedding fabulously. I thought they were all 1ds Mark II shots, as I neared the end of the photoshoot I noticed that the images were not as sharp so i looked at the exif and didnt see anything out of the ordinary so i went back to the photos that i thought were sharp and i noticed that they werent even shot with the 1dsmark II but the 1d mark II. I then proceeded to look thru about every photo he posted and i could tell when he switched cameras during the shoot just because the 1d mark II photos were blowing the 1ds Mark II photos out of the water. If i didnt know any better i would have thought the 1d mark II was the 16.7 mp camera. I did not like it as i am now back on the fence. Since last night i spent all day looking over several 5d, 1d mark II, and 1ds Mark II postings, and the only way i can justify the IQ difference i see is that all the people shooting 1ds mark II are amateurs and those shooting the 1d Mark II and 5D are pros. The issue falls with the sharpness of the 1ds Mark II its lacking in comparison to the other two. Maybe this is known already due to strong AA filters or something and has already been accepted by pro photographers and worked around.

[dpastern]

There should be no difference in AF performance between the 1D mark II and the 1Ds Mark II. Buffer speed will be different, in favour of the 1D mark II unit, but that's to be expected since it's primarily a sports camera. Both share the same weatherealing, build quality etc. The 5D probably has slightly better image quality than the 1Ds Mark II, but it'd be marginal. Higher ISOs will be better on the 5D. You need to ask yourself:

1. Do you need the build quality of a 1 series camera?
2. Do you shoot regularly at high ISOs?
3. Do you need the best AF that you can get?
4. Do you need weathersealing?

If AF speed, build quality and weathersealing aren't important, go the 5D.

IQ only comparisons, the 5D will be slightly better than the 1Ds Mark II, but it's going to be marginal at best. I personally don't like to pixel peep...

Dave

[minime9us]

dp the thing i want most is a camera that can print 30x40 and have awesome iq at the same time. I want a 1 series. I was opting for the 1ds mark II because now with so many used ones on sale i can afford one. I get the chance to have cannons best and jump into the professional series. Im a beginner just conquered the Rebel XT and time to graduate to something better as i have decided that i have a keen interest in photography.
I dont need build quality of 1 series, who does thats not already a professional getting paid to shoot in some place that has outrageously unlivable conditions.
The worst conditions i will probably ever shoot in may be skiing, hiking, or on some vacations to Africa which i long to see in my future.
I doubt if i would ever need weather sealing. I would not shoot in rain unless im getting paid to do it and im not that well connected to get a job doing this.
That leaves printing 30x40's. Can a 5D do this.
By the way why do you think the 5D produces better IQ than 1ds Mark II? Cause that comment makes me feel like i might be right about it.

[Dante King]

I have been lurking on ebay for some time now waiting for the best deal on the 1ds mark II. I now that I am about to pull the trigger, i go to pbase for the first time just to see the photos and i find that both the 1d Mark II not even the N and the 5D are producing sharper pictures than the 1ds Mark II.

You are sorely confused by some data out there that is misleading. The 1dsmk2 images typically need more pp than any other camera on the market. Sharp is a factor of this PP, lens and photographer. I have oodles of shots from my ex-1dsmk2 that seem unsharp until I run my scripts on them and HOLY **** BATMAN! Razor. I am betting that people posting lots of files on pbase are not PPing all their files like they are taking the prints to market or their technique might be lacking. Just because you have a 1dsmk2 does not make your shots sharp! The detail and resolution from the 1dsmk2 is superior to anyhting out there in the 35mm class. period!!

[Dante King]

AF speed on any one series kicks doors on the 5D.

[minime9us]

Thanks Dante. I needed that. Could you share your scripts with me so i can say Shazaaamm or something similar? By the way i should have come straight to you with this as you have seen the best of both. Are you happy with your 5D and 1d Mark IIN
than you were with the 1ds Mark II? I take it you are finding that the 1ds Mark II produced better IQ than your 5d.

[minime9us]

I would love to see some of your shots that are processed. Do you have a site?

[weka2000]

IQ only comparisons, the 5D will be slightly better than the 1Ds Mark II, but it's going to be marginal at best.
Dave

Boy that was close. I was ready to sell my 5D and get a 1DsMKII :lol:

[calicokat]

Well, Dante and I traded a 5D and 1DsMII. So we both have experiences with both. ISO goes to the 5D, but not by that much, ISO 3200 images on the 1DsMII are not bad at all. AF speed and build quality are two areas where the 1DsMII blows the 5D away. I can focus with just about any light, even very low light with the 1DsMII, my 5D would hunt alot.

16.7mp vs. 12.8mp is not that big of a deal. I have printed a couple 13x19's with both camera's and there is no difference. Most people would never know the difference anyhow.

Sharp, well both camera's seem sharp to me. Shoot raw and add some USM and contrast to your shots and voila, sharp

[weka2000]

The only reason I would trade up is so I can play in the rain :lol:

[calicokat]

The only reason I would trade up is so I can play in the rain :lol:

The 1DsMII can do that as well :p

[aliflack]

I wonder if the difference is due to the use of a different les on the 1DS compared to the 1D - if the photog was swapping bodies it's safe to assume he had different lenses on each, in which case another variable has been introduced...time to check that exif data again?

[freefallu]

i dont have a 1d , but i have to say i never found a signifigant weight of evidence to suggest it was a hands down better camera. I found some 1d owners who had paid for one telling me it was but few of the 1d club would tell you different. No disrespect. The things i saw better in the 1d were the sealing and the speed. If you have money to burn then get the 1d and some nice glass. If your on a budget get the 5D and lots of nice glass.

Top equipment doesnt take decent pictures, top photographers do.

[Hexis]

I own a 5D. My studio mate owns a 1Ds mk2. I use both a lot. I love my 5D. I am nothing other than happy with it and my decision to purchase it. I use it by default whenever I am on my own (and I'm quite welcome to use the 1Ds whenever).

That being said, the 1Ds mk2 is a significantly better camera in nearly every way. The viewfinder is 100% coverage. The Focusing is hugly faster. The Battery is far better. The intergrated grip (and yes I do have a BG-E4 and it almost never comes off) feels far better. The mirror blacout time is almost not there. The 1Ds has firewire for teathered shooting. The control layout on the 1Ds makes it pretty near impossible to accidently change a setting. There are many more.

The 5D has some advantages. The largest one is price. It's less than 1/2 the cost of a 1Ds mk2. It's also got the ability to take the BG-E4 off and be small. I have done that a couple times when I want a smaller setup. The 5D also has a nice large 2.5" screen. That helps more than I would have thought.

Were I to win the proverbial lottery, I would pick up a 1Ds mk2 (and a lot of glass), but I would not sell the 5D.

[MDJAK]

Someone recently posted a link to a "test" wherein the results seemed to be the 5D had the best skin tone quality, with the 1DSMKII coming in last.

I looked at the results and could tell no difference. Perhaps others could. To my old eyes, there was none.

I've been quite happy with my camera but have been contemplating purchase of a second body for quite sometime now.

I'm quite sure when I pull the trigger, it will be the 1dmkIIn and not the 5D, taking nothing away from it.

IMO, forget about the last degree of IQ attainable from any camera. It's the photographer first, and his or her ability in PS that really makes the difference.

Just look at Schmoelzel's shots. His portraits of his daughter are as good as it gets. He would produce that with a D60, a 10D, or shudder to think even a Noink D50.

One look at the glamour forum here, and you can see what people can do with PP.

mark

[Dante King]

I take it you are finding that the 1ds Mark II produced better IQ than your 5d.


Look, I am gearing up for the 1dsmk3, when ever that is. Canon where are you?

Anyway. Promising my wife that I wont spend more on my hobby, I wanted more fps for shooting sports shots. Only way was to trade my 1dsmk2 for the 5D and 1dmk2N.

I had the 5D before the 1dsmk2. I was pleased with the camera then and I am now. I rarely print over 17X13 so step down to the 5D resolution was no problem. As Calico says AF and Build are less n the 5D. I actually HATE the interface and controls of anything less than a 1 series. In fact I was just about to trade my 5D for a 1Ds because of this. I had to refrain as I dont want a 6 year old digital anchor around my neck.

Look, If you need high FPS get the 1dmk2 series if you want the highest MP/resolution camera, get the 1dsmk2. If you want a modern less expensive version that does not share the build, AF or possible crop depth, get a 5D.

If you go 1dsmk2, I would be happy to share any an all scripts I have with you.

Good luck!

[Dante King]

Someone recently posted a link to a "test" wherein the results seemed to be the 5D had the best skin tone quality, with the 1DSMKII coming in last.

I looked at the results and could tell no difference. Perhaps others could. To my old eyes, there was none.

I've been quite happy with my camera but have been contemplating purchase of a second body for quite sometime now.

I'm quite sure when I pull the trigger, it will be the 1dmkIIn and not the 5D, taking nothing away from it.

IMO, forget about the last degree of IQ attainable from any camera. It's the photographer first, and his or her ability in PS that really makes the difference.

Just look at Schmoelzel's shots. His portraits of his daughter are as good as it gets. He would produce that with a D60, a 10D, or shudder to think even a Noink D50.

One look at the glamour forum here, and you can see what people can do with PP.

mark

Look you DOLT, you could just have said, that much of the image quality in the end is based on Post Processing techniques.....SHEESH!! Maybe they should call you the DOLT WINDBAG :):):):)

[The Hardcard]

Hey minime9us,

could you link that pbase gallery with the mixed 1D MII and 1DS MII pics. I'd like to check it out.

[The Hardcard]

I own a 5D. My studio mate owns a 1Ds mk2. I use both a lot. ... (and I'm quite welcome to use the 1Ds whenever).


Damn! I am hanging with the wrong people. I wish Minneapolis wasn't so cold!:)

[Hexis]

I wish Minneapolis wasn't so cold!:)

It's not bad, today. But the cold is on it's way. There are some cool pictures to be had in the winter tho.

[weka2000]

The 1DsMII can do that as well :p

Plastic bag over the 5D is not the same as been free and natural. Kinda of reminds me of my 20's :lol:

[minime9us]

Ok I have done it. I finally won on Ebay and guess what I will soon hold in my hands a
1ds Mark II with around 10,000 acutations. I won it for $4660.00. That said Dante THANKS for your advice and yes i would love to use your scripts. We will be in touch as i now am the newest member of the 1 series class or whatever we call ourselves. Man if i wasnt cold and snowy outside, I would go run up and down the street. Im in Alaska. The guy who i won it from has 2 of them for his business and didnt need the second, probably because he knows the new ones are coming out soon, but here is his site and the photos are taken with the 1ds Mark II that im getting. www.cabosoul.com

[minime9us]

Hey minime9us,

could you link that pbase gallery with the mixed 1D MII and 1DS MII pics. I'd like to check it out.


Here it is tell me what you all think. Thanks

http://www.pbase.com/josedreyes/lorettajoshwedding

[cdifoto]

I'm randomly clicking that gallery and I have yet to see anything taken with the 1DsII. All 1DII so far...

EDIT: Nevermind found some 1Ds pics. He's using 2 lenses. One I presume is the 24-70 on the 1Ds and the 70-200 on the 1D. The 70-200 is known to be a sharper lens than the 24-70...

That said, I see little or no difference in these small web sized images.

[malla1962]

Looks to me the 1DMK2 is the winner here:D

[cdifoto]

Looks to me like it's so negligible to even worry about here.

[minime9us]

OK now the scarry part, paying someone on ebay. Anybody ever did that? I bought my first camera XT on ebay last year and this will be my second time doing it. Im a little scared as i was when i did it then. I have talked to the seller on the phone. I wish there was a guarantee on my money once i send it. I was the same way when i ordered the XT til it showed up on the doorstep.

[malla1962]

OK now the scarry part, paying someone on ebay. Anybody ever did that? I bought my first camera XT on ebay last year and this will be my second time doing it. Im a little scared as i was when i did it then. I have talked to the seller on the phone. I wish there was a guarantee on my money once i send it. I was the same way when i ordered the XT til it showed up on the doorstep.I have got loads of things of ebay with no problems,does he have good feedback?

[Ronald S. Jr.]

AF speed on any one series kicks doors on the 5D.

Nonsense. Absolutely not true. I owned a 1DMkII for a while, and to tell you the truth, I noticed no difference in AF speed. The 5D is super quick. It also depends on what lens you're using. I played with a friend's MkIIN, and that didn't seem any quicker either. I'd like to see a real professional test done of these two to note the difference. I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts that they're either pretty damn close, or that both are so insanely fast that no human would note a difference, nor have an impact on any shooting style, whether professional or amateur.

The 5D kicks ass, and no one can honestly say different. It has noticeably better high ISO performance than any other EOS body, and insane tone quality and overall IQ. The 1DsMkII is a great camera, but the 5D has it beat in many ways, just as the 1-series beats the 5D in other ways.

[JMHPhotography]

I look at images like THIS (http://www.pbase.com/image/59769917) and I think to myself, "how could this possibly look any sharper?"

It's the Tog not the camera

[malla1962]

I look at images like THIS (http://www.pbase.com/image/59769917) and I think to myself, "how could this possibly look any sharper?"

It's the Tog not the cameraNow that is sharp.:D

[minime9us]

yeah thats nice. You all are making me feel good about my decision.

[Anders Östberg]

I think the 1Ds Mark II beats the 5D in image detail but for all practical purposes the difference is not significant. At this level the photographer will make more of a difference. The 1D body is better than the 5D in other areas though - build, weather sealing, AF system, etc. The 5D is lighter and smaller which many prefer. The user interfaces are also miles apart, I'm sure many prefer the 30D/5D system. Because I already had a 1D Mark II I very much prefer the 1Ds Mark II so I can have two bodies with the same accessories and the same handling. The only major problem with the 1Ds Mark II as far as I'm concerned is the price...

[minime9us]

I have got loads of things of ebay with no problems,does he have good feedback?


Feedback score 36 and positive feedback 100%

[malla1962]

Feedback score 36 and positive feedback 100%Im sure you will be ok,are you using paypal?:D

[Roger Cicala]

I look at images like THIS (http://www.pbase.com/image/59769917) and I think to myself, "how could this possibly look any sharper?"

It's the Tog not the camera

Agreed. And looking at the EXIF data he shot it with an alternative lens, probably Leica from the subtle hint in the photo:lol: :lol:

Anyway, as someone who uses both 5D and 1DsII, my own experience is that I prefer the 5D in the studio and for portraits and prefer the 1DsII for landscapes and in the field - and a lot of the reason for that is focusing and weathersealing vs lighter weight. IMHO the 1DsII does capture a bit more detail - but with most wider angle L lenses I think the lens is the limiting factor, not either camera. With the 70-200 f2.8 or 300f2.8 or a Zeiss 21m I THINK I can tell a difference in print. Maybe my own preconceptions though.

[calicokat]

Nonsense. Absolutely not true. I owned a 1DMkII for a while, and to tell you the truth, I noticed no difference in AF speed. The 5D is super quick. It also depends on what lens you're using. I played with a friend's MkIIN, and that didn't seem any quicker either. I'd like to see a real professional test done of these two to note the difference. I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts that they're either pretty damn close, or that both are so insanely fast that no human would note a difference, nor have an impact on any shooting style, whether professional or amateur.

The 5D kicks ass, and no one can honestly say different. It has noticeably better high ISO performance than any other EOS body, and insane tone quality and overall IQ. The 1DsMkII is a great camera, but the 5D has it beat in many ways, just as the 1-series beats the 5D in other ways.

I disagree, I have used a 5D for low-lit church weddings without flash, and it hunted for focus. I just shot a wedding last weekend, same problem with lighting and the 1DsMII had no focus issues. Used a 24-70L for both weddings.

And Canon themselves says the 1D series focuses faster, if the camera company claims this, whats the arguement.

[freefallu]

And Canon themselves says the 1D series focuses faster, if the camera company claims this, whats the arguement.


4.5 K approx from the " camera company trying to flog the gear. The thread though was primarily about image quality. It seems to me theres no debate between my 5D and 400d. I see these threads come up time to time and theres a lot of debate , which suggests to me theres not a lot in it , certainly in terms of IQ. Or is that 1d owners reckon their prized investment is better whereas 5d owners ( myself ) reckon is better to have the extra budget for glass.

To the OP , thats a decent feedback score. Make sure you pay on your credit card for the item , via paypal or even to his company and use UPS tracked.

[calicokat]

4.5 K approx from the " camera company trying to flog the gear. The thread though was primarily about image quality. It seems to me theres no debate between my 5D and 400d. I see these threads come up time to time and theres a lot of debate , which suggests to me theres not a lot in it , certainly in terms of IQ.

I think people who own the 5D will say its a better camera and people who own the 1DsMII will say its better. They are both great camera's in their own rights. I have owned both, the 5D wins on high iso, but not by that much, weight and price. The 1DsMII takes all the rest. I would not pay much attention to the image quality thing, they are both excellent, you will not notice a difference on any computer monitor

[Hellashot]

I still want a 1ds mark II just because it can print up to 30x40 but i kinda think i might be giving up a little IQ by not going with the 5D.

A 5MP P&S camera can do 30x40 inch prints too. You don't need to get the biggest MP camera to do large prints. Depending on how close you want to get to the paper to properly view the print.

[minime9us]

A 5MP P&S camera can do 30x40 inch prints too. You don't need to get the biggest MP camera to do large prints. Depending on how close you want to get to the paper to properly view the print.


Well about a year ago i was in a shopping mall and there was this photographer selling his photos. I stopped and was amazed at how big and stunning they looked. He did not want to share anything, only that he was using a canon film camera (it was on a tripod, and used rolls like you buy at walmart or somewhere) and a 300 F4 L lens. His photos are what inspired me to venture into photography. I went and bought the XT just to get my feet wet without spending too much. A year later i have found that i like photography more than i thought i would but could never produce the size and quality of what i saw. So now i am in search of a digital camera that can give me the quality and size i saw that day. I dont think that if i took my XT and a 300 F4 L and printed as big as his prints that i could compete. They guys 30x40's were just as good as the same photo at 4x5. Thats why i want the 1ds Mark II. I would like to eventually set up shop like he did.

[minime9us]

I have also read that the 1ds Mark II produced images that are very filmlike.

[dpastern]

minime9us - in reality, it's how the photography uses the camera that dictates the final result. Many people can get a exceptional image out of a Rebel XT, maybe not print sizes as big as you want, but that's really limited by the number of MP that the camera can shoot. Grabbing a 1Ds Mark II is no guarantee that you'll be able to handle it and extra 100% performance from it.

Congrats, and good luck with the 1Ds Mark II, hopefully it all works out for you.

Dave

[malla1962]

I think people who own the 5D will say its a better camera and people who own the 1DsMII will say its better. They are both great camera's in their own rights. I have owned both, the 5D wins on high iso, but not by that much, weight and price. The 1DsMII takes all the rest. I would not pay much attention to the image quality thing, they are both excellent, you will not notice a difference on any computer monitorHow does the saying go!most cameras are beter than most photographers.;)

[JMCT]

I have owned a 5D since May and have been really happy with it, my backup camera being a 20D.

Yesterday I sold my 20D and upgraded to a 1Ds MkII as my main camera. I'll be using the 5D as a backup. Will post my comments once I have given the 1Ds MkII a run.

[verty]

IQ is marginal either way at best. Unless you need the pro features that a 1-series cam gives you, the 5D is an immensely capable camera in terms of quality images. For low-noise at high ISO the flag goes to the 5D.

nuffin 2 do with your post but the amount of L GLASS U OWN!!
WOAAAAAAAAAAH!!!
can i borrow some?? im from Sydney? bwhahaha :)

[cwphoto]

nuffin 2 do with your post but the amount of L GLASS U OWN!!
WOAAAAAAAAAAH!!!
can i borrow some?? im from Sydney? bwhahaha :)

I'm always open to rental enquiries! :D

[calicokat]

How does the saying go!most cameras are beter than most photographers.;)

Some are never happy :eek:

[OviV]

My comparison of the 5D and 1DsMkII:

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=233258

[halfmoonray]

get the 5d

[thor67]

curious as to why noone has mentioned lenses.

Im pretty sure thats 65% of the sharpness and 25% is post processing,

Id be willing to bet that only 10% or less is attributable to the body ....

[verty]

I'm always open to rental enquiries! :D

woahhhh
thats cool..
are you professional? do you have a portfolio?

[cwphoto]

woahhhh
thats cool..
are you professional? do you have a portfolio?

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[drisley]

It's 90% photographer, maybe 10% camera give or take.
Don't believe me, have a look at the amazing images produced by somebody like Paul Buceta.
You would be hard pressed to see any dif in his early pics using the 10D vs what he uses now (1Ds MKII I believe). They are amazing either way.
Even he admitted once that the only difference is quality at really large print sizes due to increased resolution.
I've seen pictures (some of mine for example) taken with 1 series cameras and L lenses that look like digicam snapshots at best.
I've seen works of art taken with a canon point and shoot, like those of Don Ellis with his magic Canon G1 and G2's.

[RgB]

I thought the 5D being the latest of the bunch has Canon's latest technologies incorporated into it.

[minime9us]

OK I paid for the 1ds Mark II today and it will be shipped out 2 day express so hopefully Wednesday I will have it. Dante where ever you are I am looking forward to those scripts you spoke of. Calico i look forward to more discussion and talks on my way to learn this beast. I will be posting photos as soon as i can, unless someone objects to that. I want to send something off to print as 30x40. I will be looking for suggestions on which photos would be good to try and also where to send to get that done. I know im putting the cart before the horse, Im just excited thats all. I will be purchasing my first L glass pretty soon as well looking for any suggestions. I was thinking about the 24-70 and soon the 70-200 2.8 to follow. As i already have a Tamron 200-500 thats really sharp. I will be covered pretty well I think with those lenses. Then i may go and get a few primes. Im thinking too far ahead now maybe i should stop now.
Thanks for listening.

[JMCT]

I just gave my brand new 1Ds MkII a run and I am very impressed. The menu systems and smaller LCD takes a bit of getting used to, but the image quality....man it's good.

I've kept my 5D as a second camera. I'm happy with the purchase and I'm sure you will be too.

[minime9us]

too bad you didnt post any of the photos.