I'd give my left <pick something> for a 1 series body that can take EF-S lenses :)

[SpiltPickle]

Just for the speed, features, and noise levels... I'd love to have one. I'd sell a motorcycle to buy it too :)

[jiggling_john]

Why?

Personally, I'd rather not have ef-s at all... Give me full frame any day.

[Billginthekeys]

never gonna happen....no reason for it to happen

[CoolToolGuy]

There is a persistent rumor about an EOS 3D, which might equate to a pro body with a 1.6 crop factor. If Canon ever announced it, it would almost certainly accept EF-S lenses. But it is just a rumor at this point. As the EF-S lens inventory grows, there is more likelihood of such a camera.

Have Fun,

[ssim]

I must admit that a 1 series with a 10-22 EF-S lens on it does sound intriquing but I fail to see the reasoning for this.

Canon has such a good lineup of glass for their respective bodies. I personally have avoided the EF-S lineup as I don't think it is longterm, looking 10 years or so down the road. With a mixture of bodies that will an won't accept them I will just continue with the EF mount.

[Billginthekeys]

i too agree. with the evolution of lenses i just dont see how they can practically have two series of lenses grow up together. especially when one can be used on both (EF), and the other is limited (EF-S). for instance, if they came out with an EF version of the 17-55 2.8 IS, mabye with an L designation and build as it deserves no one would buy the EF-S version. at the same time now people with 1series/5D bodies are complaining about not having a low light IS wide angle. canon surely has to pick a side of the fence eventually. either EF-S will become a budget catagory for their entry level DSLRs, in which case no one would want them on a EF body, or they will just drop them altogether. of course this is just my opinion, and this is the prediction forum. dont mean to stomp on anyone elses ideas.

[SpiltPickle]

I'm just whining after spending $1000 on my 17-55, and soon another $600 on a 10-22...
Be nice to have the noise levels of the 1 or 5 series though :)

[gcogger]

i too agree. with the evolution of lenses i just dont see how they can practically have two series of lenses grow up together. especially when one can be used on both (EF), and the other is limited (EF-S). for instance, if they came out with an EF version of the 17-55 2.8 IS, mabye with an L designation and build as it deserves no one would buy the EF-S version...
People would still buy the EF-S version, as the EF version would be twice as big and twice as heavy, and probably more expensive.

[photobitz]

The EF-S/1.6x crop products were only introduced because of limitations in the sensor technology. As such I can only assume in time and with advances in technology there will be "no need" for 1.6x crop or the EF-S lenses. That said, I suspect the amount of 1.6x cameras and EF-S lenses already in circulation would justify the continuation of the product line for some years to come. I mean, how often does the average pro-sumer want to upgrade all their gear? Heck, I was still using my EOS50 (15 years old now?) until I migrated to digital on a 350D.

[coreypolis]

17-55 is the only one to right home about, and it lacks a lot that a 1 series demands, like weather sealing and solid construction

[SpiltPickle]

The 10-22 is pretty good too.

And not all L's are weather sealed either...

[rklepper]

Just for the speed, features, and noise levels... I'd love to have one. I'd sell a motorcycle to buy it too :)

You want the speed, features, and noise levels of the 1D body so you can use your EFS lenses? Why would that be desireable? I would say if you can afford the 1D you can get rid of all the EFS lenses.

[Stackinchips]

EF-S = Waste of money to me... why spend that when L's around same focal length cost almost the same, or maybe a little more. I'll never buy an EF-S lens.

[AdamJL]

EF-S = Waste of money to me... why spend that when L's around same focal length cost almost the same, or maybe a little more. I'll never buy an EF-S lens.

ROFL, not snobbish at all :lol:

EF-S lenses have to provide a level accuracy that Ls can't because of pixel density on cropped cameras. One of my EF-S lenses is actually better in some circumstances than my L.

Yes, Ls are great in their own right and are better than EF-S lenses in many circumstances, but Good Lord man, come down from your high horse!

[photobitz]

Anyone think they'll start making EF-S "L"s?

[JaertX]

EF-S = Waste of money to me... why spend that when L's around same focal length cost almost the same, or maybe a little more. I'll never buy an EF-S lens.

I agree....I won't ever buy one either. I'm glad some people like them and like the crop bodies...but it's FF 35mm format or larger for me.

[Billginthekeys]

EF-S lenses have to provide a level accuracy that Ls can't because of pixel density on cropped cameras. One of my EF-S lenses is actually better in some circumstances than my L.

lol you just keep telling yourself that

Anyone think they'll start making EF-S "L"s?
no

[ScottE]

EF-S has its advantages, especially in telephoto lenses where you get much more performance for any given focal length. I personally can't see any reason for me to buy another full frame camera.

What many of us really need is a fully featured EF-S camera that has the capabilities of a 1D2. There is more than enough quality from EF-S cameras for most purposes, so why pay more for a larger format that can't use EF-S lenses.

We also need EF-S specific telephoto lenses that take advantage of the smaller image circle for improved quality, less bulk and lower cost. The 17-55/2.8 IS is a good start for a set of EF-S lenses. Now where is the rest of the series?

[CoolToolGuy]

EF-S has its advantages, especially in telephoto lenses where you get much more performance for any given focal length. I personally can't see any reason for me to buy another full frame camera.

What many of us really need is a fully featured EF-S camera that has the capabilities of a 1D2. There is more than enough quality from EF-S cameras for most purposes, so why pay more for a larger format that can't use EF-S lenses.

We also need EF-S specific telephoto lenses that take advantage of the smaller image circle for improved quality, less bulk and lower cost. The 17-55/2.8 IS is a good start for a set of EF-S lenses. Now where is the rest of the series?

Exactly. :D There's room for two sets of high quality optics and cameras - FF & 1.6. Some say Canon is actually developing a larger than FF format as well. Bring it on!

Have Fun,

[ScottE]

Exactly. :D There's room for two sets of high quality optics and cameras - FF & 1.6. Some say Canon is actually developing a larger than FF format as well. Bring it on!

Have Fun,

I believe the next generation of Canon FF digital cameras will outperform all existing medium format film cameras and most medium format digital cameras. That should take care of the portrait and wedding photography markets.

Who would they be trying to sell to with a larger fomat than FF?

On the other hand, medium format camera manufactures seem to be dropping like flies. Maybe there is an unoccupied niche in the high end market that Canon has identified. Perhaps they can get more money out of the "My Canon is bigger than your Canon" boys.

(Please don't refer that last statement to a psychologist. ;) )

[Tom W]

I vowed to never buy an EF-S lens. And I didn't until....

.... well, until I did. Most useful focal length range for the 30D. And IS. And it wasn't very expensive.

[Tom W]

I...... Perhaps they can get more money out of the "My Canon is bigger than your Canon" boys.

(Please don't refer that last statement to a psychologist. ;) )

Sometimes, a lens is just a lens....

[photobitz]

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Anyone think they'll start making EF-S "L"s?

no

Would you bet "L" money on that? I guess you're right since it depends on the build quality achivable for the short focal lengths. If they were to release one it would only make sense if it were < 15mm focal length and that's a rather limited product line.

[ScottE]

According to the Canon rep I asked the 17-55 has L quality optics, but it cannot get an L rating because it will not fit on the pro level Series 1 cameras.

It would be nice to see pro level EF-S cameras, but they would probably use a different letter to designate pro level EF-S lenses. How about EX for "Excellence"? Then we could have EF-SEX lenses. That should sell.

[Lani Kai]

Well, if the Pro1 can have an L designation, I wouldn't be 100% sure that there will never be an EF-S L
I really like the 1.6x crop and if Canon released a 1D MkIIN with the 30D's sensor in the low $2,000s I'd buy one in an instant.

[SpiltPickle]

Well, if the Pro1 can have an L designation, I wouldn't be 100% sure that there will never be an EF-S L
I really like the 1.6x crop and if Canon released a 1D MkIIN with the 30D's sensor in the low $2,000s I'd buy one in an instant.

I'd be all over that like <blank> on <blank> too.

[CoolToolGuy]

Canon has also given the "L" designation to camcorder lenses as well as binoculars, so there is no reason they can't do it for EF-S lenses as well.

Have Fun,