Digital rebel (300D) or the D60?

[ruby]

Okay guys I need your help!
I can buy the D60 my company no longer uses for $850. Or I can buy a digtal rebel body at B&H! What do you think. I havn't invested in any lenses yet, but I did buy the 420 EX flash which has no flash compensation. I use FEL though so it shouldn't be a problem. I love the D60 but the Rebel has a better sensor. I don't mind being sneered at for the plastic either. I plan on doing mostly fashion and landscape shots?
SO??? Urgh...............all this is provided I can get the okay from the hubby! Most likely though...

[Belmondo]

Either way, you can't hurt yourself. I voted for the D60 because---

because----

Actually, I don't know why.

One caveat---it all depends on how used the D60 is.
Hundreds of pictures?
Thousand of pictures?
Tens of thousands of pictures?

That could make a difference in my decision.

Tom

[ilya]

I waffled for a while, voted for the Rebel. Personally though I'd prob get the D60, but that's because the Reb is probably more like a chick camera :P :P //ducks - shots coming both the reb owners and ruby :lol: // kidding of course. Also seeing that you'd do fashion and landscapes, you don't mind the slightly slower FPS, while the AF is faster then the D60.

You may want to wait for the PMA, maybe a third choice would arise...

ilya

[Cordell]

I don't see any real advantage of the Rebel. People say the sensor is "better". Is it because it is newer, or truely better? I've used the 10D which has the same sensor, but I did not see the advantage over the D60. Even the AF is determined by more than just the camera itself. The person shooting has to have proper technique. The lens has to be of good quality and compatability. And the subject must be autofocusable (word??).

To some it all up, the D60 has more features and they are very much usable. The Rebel has more limitations and can leave some people wanting more control.

My vote is the D60 over the Rebel any day. If the vote was between the 10D and D60 I would say 10D if the out of pocket cost was the same.

[CyberDyneSystems]

I voted Drebel,.

It's AF performance alone is enough to make me want the newer technology. (yes the 300D has AF improvements over the 10D :) )

[ruby]

True I am afraid that showing up for a photo shoot with the D-rebel just makes me look less serious. I love the fact that there is less noise and it should be better for low light shots. It is rather chicky! Opps... also doging blows. Maybe it looks a bit tougher in person. I wonder if it's tough enough to hold up a L tele lens? As if I could convince the hubby of that!

ruby

[Longwatcher]

I vote for the D60 because it is black 8)

Actually because You have more control over the results then the 300D, but yes the auto focus is far far better on the 300D.

Technically just to let you know, the sensor is the same on all three D60/10D/300D. What is different in the results is the DIGIC processor for 10D and 300D, which is not on the D60. The CMOS chip is basically the same chip (same pixel pitch). There is a different IR filter range (which maybe why it works slightly better in low light then before - interseting thought I just had) thus you have limited IR with 10D/300D, but none with D60.

However, The D60 will allow you far more control over the image as you are taking it then the 300D.

If you are shooting indoors frequently without flash, then go with 300D, otherwise the D60 should be more useful.

Just my opinion, feel free to ignore.

[neil_r]

Depends on how much controle you want/need.

I am sure there a people out there using 10Ds and they never move out of the "P" mode.

My advice is to go with the D60 It works well for me, and its black :?:

[2new]

Since PMA is only a few weeks away I would hold off for a couple of weeks. I also think it would be easier to flip the 300D if you bought it and were not happy with it. Try to get the kit lens if available. you can turn a profit on the lens even if you don't want to keep it.

"Because it's black" has to be the most inane response I have read. (and on more then this post) Don't be concerned with how your equipment looks, just the end results that you get.

1 vote for the Drebel

[ruby]

Well if your just starting and trying to get models for TFP work it looks better to have a profi looking camera IMHO.

I actually have to let my boss know by the 28th of January. They are throwing in a 35 f/2 lens also.... It's not overly used though the second battery doesn't hold a good charge. Stll not a bad deal!

[CyberDyneSystems]

I'm sorry to answer twice,. but I just think that given that the NEW 300D is 900.00... i don't see why the old D-60 is even selling for that price? (they do go for $800.00-$850.00 on Ebay regularly..so the price is avaeradge)

If it were a used 10D,. I'd say go for it in a second,. but the D60 is now two generations old.

The Rebel will have Canon's warranty... this is a big consideration....

If you must have a "pro" looking camera,. pay a little more for a 10D in my opinion.

[ilya]

To interject some facts here:

ISO D60 up to 1000, Reb up to 1600
AF D60 3 point, Reb 7 point and faster
WB - D60 5 position, Reb 6 position
Min/Max Shutter - same
EC Same
Metering - D60 35 area eval, center weighted, partial; Reb - Auto only
Drive - D60 3fps max 8; Reb 2.5 fps max 4
Flash comp: D60 yes, Reb no
User selectable focus modes: D60 yes, Reb no
CFN: D60 14 custom functions; Reb none

Am I leaving anything out :?:

Rebel is new and fresh, and has the digic. D60 has more stuff, weighs 200 grams more, and is blacker.

It just depends on whether you know you'll need all the xtras. Chicky. :lol:

Cheers
Ilya

[neil_r]

"Because it's black" has to be the most inane response I have read.


I am not sure about you but we call it Irony in the UK

:P

[azmanshah]

the 18-55mm lens come with Drebel is another plus! What lens comes withe the used D60($850)? If no lens come with that used D60 then, you have to think twice. coz you need to spend somemore money on wide lens. atleast 17 or 18 or 19mm. this kind of wide angle lenses will cost a bomb!

thats what made Drebel/300D is my choice.

[Cordell]

I'm sorry to answer twice,. but I just think that given that the NEW 300D is 900.00... i don't see why the old D-60 is even selling for that price? (they do go for $800.00-$850.00 on Ebay regularly..so the price is avaeradge)

If it were a used 10D,. I'd say go for it in a second,. but the D60 is now two generations old.

The Rebel will have Canon's warranty... this is a big consideration....

If you must have a "pro" looking camera,. pay a little more for a 10D in my opinion.

CDS,
The D60 is at that price point used because it is a darn good camera that gives really good control of a photograph.

As for what generation anything is will not matter at all if what you are using works like a charm for what you want and need it to do. New does not mean better in any case. If it works the way they say it will and the way you need it is the point. Give the best photographer in the world an A2 or D60 and they will always run circles around a simply good photographer with a Rebel. Why? Because he/she can control what is being photographed.

If controll is the key objective the D60 is the king over the Rebel. If you want slightly better AF, a camera that weighs less, and just to have new technology, the Rebel wins.

[evilenglishman]

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[ruby]

Does this mean I couldn't use strobes? If so it mean I will take the D60 for sure over the rebel.

ruby

[azmanshah]

no SYNC doesn't mean thats the end for using studio flash/strobe. there are few other ways you can trigger the strobe without using the sync.

[evilenglishman]

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[ruby]

Well I have the 420Ex but thats not a master just a slave. Would that be able to trigger the flashes? I used the d60 on a photo shoot and we just plugged in the strobes and were good to go! I much perfer that than having to use a flash to trigger off the strobes.

[Malaxos1]

I waffled for a while, voted for the Rebel. Personally though I'd prob get the D60, but that's because the Reb is probably more like a chick camera :P :P //ducks - shots coming both the reb owners and ruby :lol: // kidding of course. Also seeing that you'd do fashion and landscapes, you don't mind the slightly slower FPS, while the AF is faster then the D60.

You may want to wait for the PMA, maybe a third choice would arise...

ilya

I agree, it looks like a chick camera. I added the battery grip and it is definatley more manly...Dean

[Malaxos1]

To interject some facts here:

ISO D60 up to 1000, Reb up to 1600
AF D60 3 point, Reb 7 point and faster
WB - D60 5 position, Reb 6 position
Min/Max Shutter - same
EC Same
Metering - D60 35 area eval, center weighted, partial; Reb - Auto only
Drive - D60 3fps max 8; Reb 2.5 fps max 4
Flash comp: D60 yes, Reb no
User selectable focus modes: D60 yes, Reb no
CFN: D60 14 custom functions; Reb none

Am I leaving anything out :?:

Rebel is new and fresh, and has the digic. D60 has more stuff, weighs 200 grams more, and is blacker.

It just depends on whether you know you'll need all the xtras. Chicky. :lol:

Cheers
Ilya


I have the D Rebel and the metering isn't auto only. You can use 9% partial metering by holding down the * button. I do it all the time...Dean

[Riod]

Go for the Drebel. If you get it at Best Buy, you can buy a 4 year replacement plan for $100.00.

I love mine. I am not professional, though.

Good luck.

[CoolToolGuy]

Go for the Drebel. If you get it at Best Buy, you can buy a 4 year replacement plan for $100.00.
Good luck.

You also get $40 in 'Best Buy Bucks' from their Rewards program. But forget the replacement plan. By then the Drebel will have been superceded twice. :shock:

OBTW, I vote for the Drebel as well - latest technology, warranty, etc.

And to add wood to the fire, I don't give a rat's patoot about what other people think about the color. The function is the thing. If it only comes in silver, so be it.

Have Fun
Rick 8)

[Belmondo]

I find it interesting that the numbers are so close in this unscientific survey. I suspect there's a lot of model loyalty going on here, and the Drebel wins as much for the size of the user base as on any cogent arguments pro or con. Clearly the conclusion that can be drawn is that there really isn’t a right answer to a question like this except for the person asking it, and then it boils down to what’s important to her. There have been a lot of excellent points raised (except those relating to any discussion of color).

[evilenglishman]

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[ruby]

Yes I think the whole point of my poll was to bring up these points. It is interesting to watch the numbers but I am not basing my decision on that but rather on the features I will use or find important.

A) Even though the color is not a deciding factor I still perfer the basic black and the controls on the D60.

B) Sync- D60 would allow me not to have to resort to another product to hook up strobes

C) D-Rebel has a higher ISO possible and less noise

D) D-Rebel allows me to zoom in closer when checking shots

E) D-Rebel allows faster focusing

I need to decide by Wendsday and so far have been leaning toward the D60

[Andy_T]

Hi Ruby,

doesn't look like a bad deal to me ... the price for the camera is average, but if you know the whereabouts of the camera ... How heavily used is the whole setup?

However, with the Canon 35 mm f/2 lens included, it looks attractive to me. The lens is supposed to be quite decent.

Another consideration ... if there should be a problem with the camera in the near future, could you bring it back to your boss and would he help you with getting it fixed? That's something only you can judge based on your knowledge of him.

Regards,
Andy

[ruby]

Well I hope to be able to get the recipt (though it is almost a year old) and it hasn't been used much except by me. There is also an extra battery along with the lens. NO CF card though. I am not sure if they even came with one...

[neil_r]

NO CF card though. I am not sure if they even came with one...

It didn't :cry:

Neil

[Andy_T]

???

Regards,
Andy

[metroside]

so what did you end up getting Ruby. I picked the D60 up for $AU550 this year and love it. Just need some nice glass for it.