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G3Hawaii
24th of January 2004 (Sat), 03:03
Any guess as to what Canon will introduce in Vegas at PMA 2004? The show is scheduled for Feb. 12-15 and I'm assuming Canon will release new models

defordphoto
24th of January 2004 (Sat), 04:09
There are no official announcements. Anything, anything you hear it total speculation. A 1D replacement is a definite but there are no specs whatsoever on it.

G3Hawaii
24th of January 2004 (Sat), 14:32
I'll be in Vegas the week before, but I'm leaving before the show starts. I'm anxious to see what they release

defordphoto
24th of January 2004 (Sat), 15:08
We're all very anxious. Many of us are considering upgrades depending on what Canon does. Any photo forum will have the announcement posted within minutes of anything being officially announced.

Vegas Poboy
24th of January 2004 (Sat), 18:17
I'm going to the show on the 13th and will pass on any info I pick up. I did hear from a Canon Rep that something new & great will be out but most likely its going to compete with the D2H. I'm sure the 10D is safe until the fall.

Tom W
24th of January 2004 (Sat), 18:30
I'm going to the show on the 13th and will pass on any info I pick up. I did hear from a Canon Rep that something new & great will be out but most likely its going to compete with the D2H. I'm sure the 10D is safe until the fall.

We'll be looking forward to hearing from you. :)

khkohl
24th of January 2004 (Sat), 21:51
The following was taken from a translated Brazillian Website,

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://www.ricciardi.eng.br/Artigos/PMA2004.htm&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dpma%2B2004%2Bcanon%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D% 26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8

Google search on PMA 2004 Canon Google translated the page and revealed the following Canon insight on PMA 2004 anouncements.

The Canon must launch a substitute for the EOS 1D. The EOS 1D is the digital SLR of the Canon oldest in production. The arrival of Nikon D2H force the Canon to launch a new model. Fofocas had been more intense today later that the B&H, traditional store of New Iorque, 1D of its list of products took off the EOS, increasing the speculations that the model left line. The new body would be shown to the public in the fair and would be in the store in March. The 8 the 8 specifications would be megapixels fps, with a buffer for 40 photos and factor of conversion of 1,3x for the focal distances. The suggested price must be around USS4.000,00 and the price in the store around USS3.500,00.

Together with new 1D the Canon would launch two new objective. One of them would enter in the place of the EF 35-350mm f/3.5-5.6L and would count on IS.

Also 10D. is speculated on very on the substitution of Canon EOS Even so either a relatively new model, 10D already is in production has one year almost. The Canon showed, when retiring the EOS D60 with only 7 months of life, that it intends to work with short cycles for the launching of new products. Therefore, if a substitute of 10D will be launched, not if she can say that it is a surprise. New 10D would have 8 megapixels and the too much specifications would be similar to the current model, also the factor of cut of 1,6x. I only wait that this increase of pixels, if to occur, does not come folloied of an increase in the noise level.

defordphoto
24th of January 2004 (Sat), 23:42
And I reiterate:

There are no official announcements. Anything, anything you hear it total speculation. A 1D replacement is a definite but there are no specs whatsoever on it.

timmyquest
25th of January 2004 (Sun), 00:03
And I reiterate:

There are no official announcements. Anything, anything you hear it total speculation. A 1D replacement is a definite but there are no specs whatsoever on it.

Maybe another thread will help :twisted:

defordphoto
25th of January 2004 (Sun), 00:08
And I reiterate:

There are no official announcements. Anything, anything you hear it total speculation. A 1D replacement is a definite but there are no specs whatsoever on it.

Maybe another thread will help :twisted:

Good grief yes! Can we have three or four polls too? :roll:

:lol:

I guarantee there will be more...

khkohl
25th of January 2004 (Sun), 00:11
Message boards and websites are meant to pass this form of babble along!

Jim, Your acting as though your employed by Canon to squelch rumors.

WE ENJOY THESE RUMORS..Just let it go, there is no need to reiterate. We are not idiots we know that nothing is real until the product ships!!

defordphoto
25th of January 2004 (Sun), 00:30
Message boards and websites are meant to pass this form of babble along!

Jim, Your acting as though your employed by Canon to squelch rumors.

WE ENJOY THESE RUMORS..Just let it go, there is no need to reiterate. We are not idiots we know that nothing is real until the product ships!!

Actually the Administrator of this forum does not like unsubstantiated rumors, which is what you're posting. Just trying to help out a newbie. If you want to discuss in reality what may come of of PMA fine, but posting totally bogus info is frowned upon.

khkohl
25th of January 2004 (Sun), 00:41
I simply passed on information that was posted on a Brazillian photography website. It was on topic.

If I were to post information that I made up, that would be BOGUS.

If any other member finds information posted about PMA 2004 and Canon, I want to see it. That is of course after they have received an OK from YOU! :lol:

defordphoto
25th of January 2004 (Sun), 00:42
Careful newb. ;)

bigsexy
25th of January 2004 (Sun), 01:05
[quote=khkohl]Actually the Administrator of this forum does not like unsubstantiated rumors, which is what you're posting. Just trying to help out a newbie. If you want to discuss in reality what may come of of PMA fine, but posting totally bogus info is frowned upon.

So we are only allowed to start threads that are based on verifiable facts? That sounds like it's really going to limit discussion. I'm interested in understanding what the "newb" posted that's "totally bogus"? As far as I can tell they posted basically the same information that has been posted numerous times before. 8 Mega pixels 40 shot buffer. The bottom line is, what do you have against open discussion? Or is it only OK as long as it is something you're interested in? I wonder what the administrator of this forum has to say about all this? Pekka? P.S. Don't call people names. Calling someone "newb" makes you sound like you're in 6th grade or a day 1 private in the military. Lets try to be a little more adult.

defordphoto
25th of January 2004 (Sun), 01:10
:lol: Go ahead and talk your trash. The threads won't be around too long anyway if they get too far off the mark. :roll:

bigsexy
25th of January 2004 (Sun), 04:43
:lol: Go ahead and talk your trash. The threads won't be around too long anyway if they get too far off the mark. :roll:

Who's talking trash? I'm just saying that I thought these forums were for the open discussion of Canon cameras. I didn't realize we were ruling out certain kinds of information (e.g. rumors). I was also under the impression that the vast majority of people that traffic this site are above calling people names. Could it be that we're professional enough to rule out rumors and only go by the facts, but not so that we still feel better about ourselves by calling someone a newbie? Seems like a bit of a double standard to me.

Pekka
25th of January 2004 (Sun), 05:49
To me it is ok to talk about rumours if

it is clearly said by whoever starts the rumours that the info is not from Canon (and not even "unofficial") if it is not. Just to make clear to every new reader that this is not official info.
the threads don't migrate to flamewars. If you read something that raises your blood pressure it is usually best to count to ten and just move on.
Please remember all that
Do not believe all you read. This is internet.
If you disagree there is no need to keep pushing that over and over again (people do disagree, knowing that once is usually enough) or flamewars are bound to happen. Of course if good discussion grows from the conflict that is just fine - you all can surely tell the difference.

Also I'd like to suggest that if there is one rumour thread going on please try not to open another one for each new one.

iwatkins
25th of January 2004 (Sun), 06:01
Group hug anyone ? :twisted:

GenEOS
25th of January 2004 (Sun), 22:17
Message boards and websites are meant to pass this form of babble along!

Jim, Your acting as though your employed by Canon to squelch rumors.

WE ENJOY THESE RUMORS..Just let it go, there is no need to reiterate. We are not idiots we know that nothing is real until the product ships!!

I enjoy the rumors and I am not a newbie. I better hush now, I think I am on admistrative probation for rumarious babbling! (is that a word?)(is now).

hmo66
26th of January 2004 (Mon), 00:10
Back to the original thread topic: What I guess canon will do:

Since Nikon are introducing the *good looking* D70 to compete with the dRebel (and the 10D I guess), I think Canon will introduce a DSLR in the 10D price range or little above with more pixels & features (maybe 1.3) crop. Then the 10D & dRebel will be cobined into one low-end model with similar price range as the D70.

It is true that Canon shock every body when they introduced the dRebel, but thier party is over (did you see pictures of D70 lately?) unless they come up with another shocking surprize. I think if they kept the dRebel alone to compete with D70 they will loose BIG TIME and that is not Canon.

Every body is talking about a D1 replacement to compete with Nikon D2H and they forget that the 10D, dRebel, and D100 are the ones sill by large volumes. how many D1 were sold compared to 10D? So the 10D & dRebel market is as important (if not more important) than the Pro cameras (D1s & D1)

khkohl
26th of January 2004 (Mon), 05:24
HMO66, I think you had some good observations.

The logic behind my hunch that Canon will come out with a enhanced 10D is this:

They will follow the same aggresive trend for short product cycles that they started after the D60, and if the rumours were not true about a new model I think that they would say so to stop any interference with current sales.

I went ahead and sold my 10D Body for $1325.00. ( I purchased last March). If they don't come out with a new model I'll buy a replacement body in a couple of weeks. If there is a delay in the release of a new model, I'll buy a d60 body or a 300D to use for a few weeks.

J.A.F. Doorhof
26th of January 2004 (Mon), 05:30
Wouldn't you better wait for test results ?
If a body is rushed I'm afraid there can be some problems.

The 10D for me is perfect, mine focusses perfect and I don't need more megapixels if that means more noise (what happens most of the time in the same area size).

When there is a new model I can still sell the 10D when I want, but I think it's wise to wait and see the first reviews.

Greetings,
Frank

khkohl
26th of January 2004 (Mon), 05:40
The only reason I decided to sell now is the potential hit in resale value. I am used to doing this with computer equipment. Also I am not a professional photographer and I can do without a body for two weeks.

chris.bailey
26th of January 2004 (Mon), 06:10
The only reason I decided to sell now is the potential hit in resale value. I am used to doing this with computer equipment. Also I am not a professional photographer and I can do without a body for two weeks.

Having gone D30 to D60 to 10D I have very much decided to miss a generation this time. I was happy with the D60 and it was only a moment of Mastercard Madness that made me upgrade to the 10D. As I kept the D60 (great to have as a spare and for those more risky photo locations) I will wait to see what is round the corner next time, unless that is a Mastercard limit and excess lunchtime alcohol again come into planetary alignment :shock:

ijohnson
26th of January 2004 (Mon), 09:09
I want to go back to fighting!!! I totally missed it. Are the rest of the name callers and grumpy contributors in some other thread?

:twisted:

tpinchback
26th of January 2004 (Mon), 09:39
Can you give me a link to sample photos of the D70. thanks

photography By Evangelos
26th of January 2004 (Mon), 09:44
I think this time around I will not be upgrading cameras and staying with the 10D for the next year. Unless they have a full frame chips I am not going for the upgrade. I too have had the D30, and D60 and have upgraded each time. I think my 2 10's will hold me over this year just fine. The 10D is a great camera in every aspect and the best over all camera in its class nothing is as good. I have used the S2 and the D100 and they are both just ok. I wish Canon had an A/F system as good as Nikon. Nikon makes the best A/F cameras in the business but that is it their rest of the system is just not up to par with canon. :D

Andy_T
26th of January 2004 (Mon), 12:00
Back to the original thread topic: What I guess canon will do:

It is true that Canon shock every body when they introduced the dRebel, but thier party is over (did you see pictures of D70 lately?) unless they come up with another shocking surprize. I think if they kept the dRebel alone to compete with D70 they will loose BIG TIME and that is not Canon.



I assume you mean pictures SHOWING the new Nikon D70, not pictures TAKEN BY it :wink:

I haven't seen the latter, so far. No specs, either.

I can just guess whether Nikon would launch an entry level model with a higher (70?) pixel count than their D 100. Now if they replace the D100 with a higher spec model, it might also be more expensive (my guess).

Bottom line?
I don't think the 10D/300D models are outdated just yet (unless you're a design freak). Actually, they seem to be selling like the proverbial hot cake.

So I wouldn't put too much hope into a replacement for those for about a year to come.

Best regards,
Andy