CD copyrighting question

[joeturner]

Hi,
I do ball photographs at a school and then sell the photographs on CD's to those that wish to purchase them. I have currentley just been buring them with Nero6 and then selling, i have had issues that some pupils are copying the cd's for their friends, does anyone know anyway of preventing the CD from beign copied? I would probabley be looking at spending around 50pounds if possible.

Does anyone have anyexperience with this kind of thing or any tips. I have put a copyright disclaimer on the CD saying what the uses for this CD are- eg. no copying of this cd permitted under any curcumstances but it still seems to happen,

i only sell the CD fro 5 pounds UK, so it is not really worth the legal route??? any advice appreciated!

Joe:confused:

[dmp-potn]

Hello,

With software like CloneCD (http://www.slysoft.com/en/clonecd.html) out there, I don't think there's a very full-proof way to prevent CD/DVD copying. If you find something that discourages copying though, I'd be interested in hearing about it.

[sydneyguy30]

i have just started a small business

in party photography

the client pays me $200 for 3 hours work

i put the photos on slideshow with music

they get to gkeep to the copyright as well


dont fight it

just charge a good initial price

and do s a slide show dvd

then giv ethem the copyright



Hi,
I do ball photographs at a school and then sell the photographs on CD's to those that wish to purchase them. I have currentley just been buring them with Nero6 and then selling, i have had issues that some pupils are copying the cd's for their friends, does anyone know anyway of preventing the CD from beign copied? I would probabley be looking at spending around 50pounds if possible.

Does anyone have anyexperience with this kind of thing or any tips. I have put a copyright disclaimer on the CD saying what the uses for this CD are- eg. no copying of this cd permitted under any curcumstances but it still seems to happen,

i only sell the CD fro 5 pounds UK, so it is not really worth the legal route??? any advice appreciated!

Joe:confused:

[ssim]

Much to my chagrin, I have watched my son make copies of CD's that were supposedly foolproof. I personally wouldn't put allot of time and effort in trying to stop this. They will just find a way around it.

[joeturner]

OK, thanks what software do you use to produce slideshows, do you have a way of amking it autorun etc??

[liza]

Why don't you just post the images on a site like Smugmug and let them purchase prints?

[PhotosGuy]

Why don't you just post the images on a site like Smugmug and let them purchase prints? I think that is your best option, especially if you can have a big watermark on the image of the proofs. Why? 'Cause they'll try to use the Print Screen button, & print a crappy print, & then maybe they'll decide to buy a good one.
I'm generally against giving them a CD for the reasons you mentioned, + if they use it & make a crappy print at the drugstore, it's still your crappy print that they will show everyone? ;)

[cgratti]

You need to remember, your working with teens who dont have alot of money, and even if they did they dont want to spend it on CDs with pictures of Proms, dances, ect. They want to spend their money on other things. They also could care less that your losing money, as long as they are saving theirs. Your best bet is to charge a set rate and let them have the copyright. I would state in the contract that the copyright doesn't cover the use of your images for commercial use. Then you make your money and the kids can copy away. If you charge them $200-300 for the event, collectivly they can all chip in and all have a copy and you make your money for a few hours.

Make sure to make the images low-res so it will deter them from making prints.

[vwpilot]

i have just started a small business

in party photography

the client pays me $200 for 3 hours work

i put the photos on slideshow with music

they get to gkeep to the copyright as well


dont fight it

just charge a good initial price

and do s a slide show dvd

then giv ethem the copyright

Your best bet is to charge a set rate and let them have the copyright. I would state in the contract that the copyright doesn't cover the use of your images for commercial use. Then you make your money and the kids can copy away. If you charge them $200-300 for the event, collectivly they can all chip in and all have a copy and you make your money for a few hours.


Wait a second, let me get this straight.

You guys are charging $200-$300 AND GIVING THEM YOUR COPYRIGHT??!!!

What are you guys thinking, that is insane.

I dont care how old these kids are or how much money they dont have or whether or not you guys are really in business or not, but to give up your copyrights for that little money is just insane and I truly hope you dont plan on going into business because you have little hope if you are giving up rights to your work for a couple hundred bucks a pop.

[ssim]

i have just started a small business

in party photography

the client pays me $200 for 3 hours work

i put the photos on slideshow with music

they get to gkeep to the copyright as well


dont fight it

just charge a good initial price

and do s a slide show dvd

then giv ethem the copyright

You need to remember, your working with teens who dont have alot of money, and even if they did they dont want to spend it on CDs with pictures of Proms, dances, ect. They want to spend their money on other things. They also could care less that your losing money, as long as they are saving theirs. Your best bet is to charge a set rate and let them have the copyright. I would state in the contract that the copyright doesn't cover the use of your images for commercial use. Then you make your money and the kids can copy away. If you charge them $200-300 for the event, collectivly they can all chip in and all have a copy and you make your money for a few hours.

Make sure to make the images low-res so it will deter them from making prints.

Unbelievable. Business at any cost. Have you seen how much disposable money teenagers have these days.

[rhys]

There is no way on earth to stop anybody pirating CDs or DVDs or software.

Microsoft tried hard to stop people pirating XP but cracks are available for it so are cracked versions. Their attempts to protect it also broke the law on fair use in Britain. They lost several court cases over that.

So... forget about copy protection.

[joegolf68]

Hopeless battle I think.

[joeturner]

OK thanks,

much appreciated shame though that there is not a option but there we go!

THanks for all ur comments i have obviousley got something going! lol

Thanks

[strmrdr]

if someone can see it they can copy it, on the computer or a print.
Life isn't always about money and if someone is happy selling cds of images that's what matters.

Fact of the matter is the licence model don't work because people aren't wired that way, never has worked never will.
Its a losing battle.
In the US the people set the laws and civil disobedience to laws the people don't like has a long history.
Laws the people don't agree with will be ignored by a large portion of the population.

[rhys]

The model that works with software is constant upgrades. Version 1.7 might be no different from version 1.2 but people all *think* it's better so they fork out for it yet again. Windows NT4 works and works well. The USB deficiency can be countered with a USB program. People go for XP and so on because it's a little easier.

People use Linux because it's free and they don't have to hack it to get it working. People use Windows because they always have. The fact is that the same files can be created, opened and used on both.

[Claire]

If I give a high res CD to someone, I don't say I give away my copyright. I just license those images to whoever gets it. Cheap licensing yes, but I can still sue if they use the images in any way that's not been agreed.

In every CD I include a text document with an official text about copyright, as well as my regulations. I've not given out many CDs, only to close friends really. For my first wedding I stated their & my use of the images in the contract.

[Mike Reynolds]

charge the money for your time on site plus post processing time and be done with it. you can also offer professional prints and professional photo albums but if you give them a cd you gotta expect that it will be copied

[IndyJeff]

i have just started a small business

in party photography

the client pays me $200 for 3 hours work

i put the photos on slideshow with music

they get to gkeep to the copyright as well


dont fight it

just charge a good initial price

and do s a slide show dvd

then giv ethem the copyright

Just a quick question here, do you have a release for the music in the slideshows? You know music is copyrighted as well as photographs.

I am just amazed at how many photographers will jump up and yell about their copyrights to their images they have taken but, have no problem downloading music and adding it to a slideshow and see no problem with it.
Before we, as a whole, can expect people to honor our copyrights, we must honor the copyrights of others.

[ssim]

Before we, as a whole, can expect people to honor our copyrights, we must honor the copyrights of others.

I agree wholeheartedly. The same applies to software. As much as we may dislike the software industry, we should respect their copyrights as well. There is just too many people running around with hacked versions of major pieces of software.

One thing that I found out when I started building music slideshows for customers was that the 1.00 downloads does not necessarily let you redistribute it. I ended up paying somewhat more for some music so that I could repackage it with the CD.

[Claire]

IndyJeff, he says in another thread he has some kind of release that lets him use certain music in his slideshow.

[IndyJeff]

IndyJeff, he says in another thread he has some kind of release that lets him use certain music in his slideshow.


Well thats all fine and dandy but still, there are way too many people using music to create slideshows for distribution and the music authors aren't getting their share of the profits.

I have a program which creates slideshows and have had it for at least 2 years. I have yet to create one with music and have refused to do projects because the client wanted music with the slideshow. Oh sure they found someone else to do it but, I remained true to myself and my beliefs.