Red-Ringed Tupperware Party with (ineffective) Tin Foil Hats (1)

[Woolburr]

**EDIT** Part TWO of The Red-Ringed Tupperware Party with (ineffective) Tin Foil Hats can be found here (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=350748) <--- Link



OK...share a picture, share a thought, share your new gear or your old...seek advice or feel free to offer some...not a competition...not a test...you don't need an L....but don't be a pest....check your attitude and ego at the door!:p If your here for fun...come on in....if you're here to stir up some **** go darken another door. Can't get much simpler than that.;)

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If you want proof that the world is full of total idiots, you might want to try this on for size...http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=2017848&postcount=678


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Thread summary as of early April (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3018569&postcount=36704) and ensuing heated dispute as to accuracy.

[Permagrin]

YAY!
A real chat thread! I'm definitely in on this...

[Woolburr]

It's all good....as long as it remains fun.
http://www.pbase.com/woolburr/image/63795056/medium.jpg

Crud...I just realized I don't own any tupperware...this was the only thing handy with a red ring.

[NAisBEST]

ooooh! chit-chat! i loooooooove me some chit-chat! :D

[Permagrin]

It's okay, I don't have any tupperware either :lol: (but I've got several red-ringers)....

I wish I could post more photos but it's a pain with this connection...when I get back home I've got some lovely sunset shots of the lighthouse. And some not so lovely shots of birds in flight...they look like UFO's...blobby things in the sky. I'm hoping to get some elk shots tomorrow too...

cool, NAisBest is here too...:)

[joegolf68]

Hey, I had a red ring. I think the doc gave me anti-somethings for them. Rash went away in a week. ;)

[Woolburr]

It's okay, I don't have any tupperware either :lol: (but I've got several red-ringers)....

I wish I could post more photos but it's a pain with this connection...when I get back home I've got some lovely sunset shots of the lighthouse. And some not so lovely shots of birds in flight...they look like UFO's...blobby things in the sky. I'm hoping to get some elk shots tomorrow too...

cool, NAisBest is here too...:)

Be sure to post the blobby elk UFO's.....those would create quite a stir.

[Woolburr]

Hey, I had a red ring. I think the doc gave me anti-somethings for them. Rash went away in a week. ;)

You might want to discontinue that stuff...most folks here get rather flustered when their red rings disappear...leads to frantic calls to the police and the insurance company.;)

[Permagrin]

Hey, I had a red ring. I think the doc gave me anti-somethings for them. Rash went away in a week. ;)

:oops:
Be sure to post the blobby elk UFO's.....those would create quite a stir.

...okay...maybe husband will let me use the lensbaby then...nothing like serious distortion for a good UFO shot!

[Woolburr]

Distortion lends credibility to any good UFO shot.

[Permagrin]

Distortion lends credibility to any good UFO shot.

Well that and a serious amount of alcohol...:lol:

[Woolburr]

Perhaps we should have a POTN photo safari to Roswell, NM.....where we can consume copious quantities of alcohol and talk about the UFO photos we could have taken.

[Permagrin]

Perhaps we should have a POTN photo safari to Roswell, NM.....where we can consume copious quantities of alcohol and talk about the UFO photos we could have taken.

Okay, but we'll all have to bring our 100-400's because for the life of me, I can't get ONE of anything in MOTION with that lens...so it'll be a perfect "the one that got away" lens. Although, it's really starting to bug me. (well anything small and fast that is...big things are just fine...). What do you think I'm doing wrong? I tried the exposure comp that Cat mention. I tried the fast shutter speed (I got better results with a chance capture using my 24-105 today)...the aiservo & panning...I've really no idea where I'm going wrong...

[Woolburr]

Okay, but we'll all have to bring our 100-400's because for the life of me, I can't get ONE of anything in MOTION with that lens...so it'll be a perfect "the one that got away" lens. Although, it's really starting to bug me. (well anything small and fast that is...big things are just fine...). What do you think I'm doing wrong? I tried the exposure comp that Cat mention. I tried the fast shutter speed (I got better results with a chance capture using my 24-105 today)...the aiservo & panning...I've really no idea where I'm going wrong...

The only moving stuff I usually shoot are race cars or football players....both are rather more predictable in their movements than birdies are. They are also considerably larger than birds, so it makes it much easier to lock focus. Perhaps go to the park on a nice sunny day and try to catch a lock on a Frisbee?

[Lightstream]

Okay, but we'll all have to bring our 100-400's because for the life of me, I can't get ONE of anything in MOTION with that lens...so it'll be a perfect "the one that got away" lens. Although, it's really starting to bug me. (well anything small and fast that is...big things are just fine...). What do you think I'm doing wrong? I tried the exposure comp that Cat mention. I tried the fast shutter speed (I got better results with a chance capture using my 24-105 today)...the aiservo & panning...I've really no idea where I'm going wrong...

The technical part is quite simple, but the hand-eye coordination required is legendary.

Technical: set AI Servo, ISO 400, center point AF, six AF point expansion on, wide open lens, usually Av for me, 3fps drive, and let's go to town and find a bird.

Challenge: you MUST keep the bird within the 5D's spot meter reticle (while primarily meant for spot meter, it incidentally happens to perfectly mark where the six AF points are) long enough for AI Servo to focus. Your window of time is probably measured in milliseconds before the silly birds change direction or go somewhere else, as they are very unpredictable. Half press to start focus, and start tracking the bird.

The problem is, if halfway, the bird flies out of your reticle, the camera will automatically lock onto everything in the BACKGROUND. Good luck in that case, because that's a focus miss and the camera will either need time to recover, or at worst, rack the lens back and forth searching for focus at a severe penalty of time. Then, bear in mind, you need to squeeze the shutter at just the right time. Human reaction times can be up to 100 msec, there are some that are going to miss.

AI Servo is a difficult beast to master. As Wool said it is easier with subjects that move in consistent patterns. Actually it is VERY EASY with subjects which move in consistent patterns, then you can let the multi-kilobuck$$ technology do its job. My metal birds all fly in predictable patterns and AF/AIS does just fine. Wild birds, or even captive birds performing, do not always do this.

[joegolf68]

You might want to discontinue that stuff...most folks here get rather flustered when their red rings disappear...leads to frantic calls to the police and the insurance company.;)



Geez, the rash was on my ankle. True story, six months ago, I had a red rash on my left ankle, looked like a had an "L" leg! Naughty, naughty if anyone thought differently!!!! My oh my, no one here ever have a red rash? :)

[Woolburr]

There is a thought I let escape me....go down to the little local airpark and practice on some of the metal birds to help build technique and confidence.

[Woolburr]

Geez, the rash was on my ankle. True story, six months ago, I had a red rash on my left ankle, looked like a had an "L" leg! Naughty, naughty if anyone thought differently!!!! My oh my, no one here ever have a red rash? :)

I think you have figured out the red rash most here suffer from.:p

[Permagrin]

You are right...Lightstream, I've got all the tools...but I'm SO failing in technique. But I'm going to press on until I get it right!

There is a thought I let escape me....go down to the little local airpark and practice on some of the metal birds to help build technique and confidence.

This is a good idea...I keep practicing on birds and 1 keeper out of the last say 300 shots, (and that was an accident) is not very encouraging...I did photo and airplane (jet I think) the other day....meant to post it for Lightstream (due to his fondness for the metal birds) but I forgot to do it before I left...

[Woolburr]

Permie....this is the only bird in flight photo I have ever successfully attained.
http://www.pbase.com/image/66823835.jpg
Canon EOS 1D Mark II N ,Canon EF 300mm f/4L IS USM
1/1000s f/5.6 at 420.0mm iso100

[Lightstream]

You are right...Lightstream, I've got all the tools...but I'm SO failing in technique. But I'm going to press on until I get it right!

This is a good idea...I keep practicing on birds and 1 keeper out of the last say 300 shots, (and that was an accident) is not very encouraging...I did photo and airplane (jet I think) the other day....meant to post it for Lightstream (due to his fondness for the metal birds) but I forgot to do it before I left...

Thanks for thinking of me... :)

Technique... it's not easy. I have been playing with the gulls and I find the gulls occasionally like to fly into the wind for fun, almost as if they are fighting the wind. They hover, almost stationary, at times, and those are the easiest shots to get. Play with the gulls too.

I find it helpful to frame very loosely and crop later. Gives you a wider angle of view and more room for error when tracking. Don't play too much with the zoom, set and forget a particular focal length.

Metal birds are dead simple. Some of them fly so slow when coming in for landing you can use one-shot AF or even MF. Some of them are so predictable you can use MF tracking focus all the way (I did).

[Permagrin]

Wow Wool, that is a really nice shot though. Those herons are so difficult (for me anyway...they spook at the slightest noise...then they fly off cursing to the high heavens). I like it very much.

This is one (it's taken forever to download) of my shots from today.
http://LC-images.smugmug.com/photos/111298534-M.jpg

[Woolburr]

Ok....how did you do that? Lensbaby with a Pepsi label for a filter?

[Permagrin]

Ok....how did you do that? Lensbaby with a Pepsi label for a filter?

Neither :lol:
A blue filter for night & some soft focus PP'd later. (plus there was patchy fog so that lent to the hazy feel)

[Permagrin]

but a lensbaby and a pepsi filter do sound interesting...perhaps I can get the word pepsi scrawled across the sky too...

[Permagrin]

holy cow, I cannot spell or even write properly at this time of night, I've had to go back and edit my post at least 3x!...I think I must bid you all adieu until tomorrow evening...

[Lightstream]

Neither :lol:
A blue filter for night & some soft focus PP'd later. (plus there was patchy fog so that lent to the hazy feel)

Did I ever tell you that you're better in the creative department? Some of your shots are genuinely eyecatching. I see photography less as art and more as a means to capture what is actually happening - a portrayal of reality, for those who can (and cannot) handle it. That seems to be the common theme amongst the photographic subjects I usually handle (events, products, landscapes etc.)

[Woolburr]

Happy shooting tomorrow....don't forget...we expect pictures of the Elk flying in UFO thingies.

[saravrose]

Perhaps we should have a POTN photo safari to Roswell, NM.....where we can consume copious quantities of alcohol and talk about the UFO photos we could have taken.

I will be the designated barmaid.. I will pour everyone fabulous cocktails while they bring out their lensbabies to take photos of UFO's for those magazines in the grocery store with photos of Batboy on them..

sari

[saravrose]

Wow Wool, that is a really nice shot though. Those herons are so difficult (for me anyway...they spook at the slightest noise...then they fly off cursing to the high heavens). I like it very much.

This is one (it's taken forever to download) of my shots from today.
http://LC-images.smugmug.com/photos/111298534-M.jpg


ohhh.. I like this.. very cool..

[Woolburr]

I will be the designated barmaid.. I will pour everyone fabulous cocktails while they bring out their lensbabies to take photos of UFO's for those magazines in the grocery store with photos of Batboy on them..

sari

Hey....you can even bring your own camera....we would let you take the occasional shot while on duty...;)

[Permagrin]

Did I ever tell you that you're better in the creative department? Some of your shots are genuinely eyecatching. I see photography less as art and more as a means to capture what is actually happening - a portrayal of reality, for those who can (and cannot) handle it. That seems to be the common theme amongst the photographic subjects I usually handle (events, products, landscapes etc.)

Thanks Lightstream. I know I see it differently than the "purist" photographer. I like the combination of photos and PP...sometimes just to finish a shot...sometimes to really change one...I just like it all as a whole...

Happy shooting tomorrow....don't forget...we expect pictures of the Elk flying in UFO thingies.

Right, got it...flying elk UFO's...too bad I left all the scotch at home!

I will be the designated barmaid.. I will pour everyone fabulous cocktails while they bring out their lensbabies to take photos of UFO's for those magazines in the grocery store with photos of Batboy on them..

sari

ohhh.. I like this.. very cool..

Hey hullo Sari...glad you could make it over here!
Thank's for the compliment on the photo too.
(Every good UFO expedition needs a barmaid...it's somewhere in the bylaws I think! So you've got the job...)

talk to you all tomorrow.

[joegolf68]

holy cow, I cannot spell or even write properly at this time of night, I've had to go back and edit my post at least 3x!...I think I must bid you all adieu until tomorrow evening...

Lol, good night!

[saravrose]

Hey....you can even bring your own camera....we would let you take the occasional shot while on duty...;)

hehe.. I bring my camera to work with me now.. seriously.. this is my view.. my boss has come to expect me to show up with kit in tow.. So, I will mulit-task.. another great skill aquired during my 'career'.. the ability to chat with Mr. San Francisco make a hot toddy and take orders at the same time..

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b130/saravrose/IMG_5570-01.jpg


Hey hullo Sari...glad you could make it over here!
Thank's for the compliment on the photo too.
(Every good UFO expedition needs a barmaid...it's somewhere in the bylaws I think! So you've got the job...)

talk to you all tomorrow.

I liked it. very cool shot... and yes. any expedition at all needs a barmaid it should be standard UFO chasing procedure... hey, atleast nobodys suggesting we become paparrazi and chase movie stars around... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: .. although I do think those guys are much, much worse than UFO photographers...

sari

[Woolburr]

It would be a dang poor UFO expedition that couldn't afford a decent bartender. No chasing supposed celebs though....what a waste of time and talent. Besides...the Enquirer pays as much for a good UFO shot as they do for a celeb pose.

That is a real tough view you have to suffer with Sari....my heart bleeds for you...;)

[Lightstream]

Thanks Lightstream. I know I see it differently than the "purist" photographer. I like the combination of photos and PP...sometimes just to finish a shot...sometimes to really change one...I just like it all as a whole...

Hey hullo Sari...glad you could make it over here!
Thank's for the compliment on the photo too.
(Every good UFO expedition needs a barmaid...it's somewhere in the bylaws I think! So you've got the job...)

talk to you all tomorrow.

That's why I say you have more of the artistic and creative side. My bias towards the technical side shows in my work. Some don't like it. Tough luck for them; I am not asking them to anyway.

Besides the 'purists' are the ones screaming you have to shoot it on ghetto hardware like you are some suffering artist before it really becomes art. While they don't really bother me much, it almost seems my mere existence annoys them on two fronts; that I don't suffer for my art (I have done more than enough of that for my career over the last ten years.. some lessons we paid for in blood), secondly, more interestingly, I DON'T SEE IT AS ART http://pix.lightrefineries.org/img/crackup.gif it just occured to me! It isn't. It's more "This is how events happened today, a duck flew past, a gull took a dump in midair" :D

I realized a long time ago that much of this stuff would eventually become formulaic, ie. I stick to a set formula. I am quite happy with that..


hehe.. I bring my camera to work with me now.. seriously.. this is my view.. my boss has come to expect me to show up with kit in tow.. So, I will mulit-task.. another great skill aquired during my 'career'.. the ability to chat with Mr. San Francisco make a hot toddy and take orders at the same time..

I liked it. very cool shot... and yes. any expedition at all needs a barmaid it should be standard UFO chasing procedure... hey, atleast nobodys suggesting we become paparrazi and chase movie stars around... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: .. although I do think those guys are much, much worse than UFO photographers...

sari

Great to have you...... blonde (Snir) was the bartender of the long-dead POTN ThreadPub, you carry on a fine tradition :D

[Woolburr]

That's why I say you have more of the artistic and creative side. My bias towards the technical side shows in my work. Some don't like it. Tough luck for them; I am not asking them to anyway.

Besides the 'purists' are the ones screaming you have to shoot it on ghetto hardware like you are some suffering artist before it really becomes art. While they don't really bother me much, it almost seems my mere existence annoys them on two fronts; that I don't suffer for my art (I have done more than enough of that for my career over the last ten years.. some lessons we paid for in blood), secondly, more interestingly, I DON'T SEE IT AS ART http://pix.lightrefineries.org/img/crackup.gif it just occured to me! It isn't. It's more "This is how events happened today, a duck flew past, a gull took a dump in midair" :D

I realized a long time ago that much of this stuff would eventually become formulaic, ie. I stick to a set formula. I am quite happy with that..

Art is in the eye of the beholder. Someone dreamed up the romantic notion that in order to be taken seriously as an artist, you had to suffer some unspeakable horrors and deprivation. Folks that suffer from that archaic delusion are just that...delusional. Suffering doesn't make you artistic...it makes you sour on life.

I think we all know that it is true that the camera doesn't make the picture...but, I defy anyone to take a photograph without one. ;) There is nothing wrong with owning quality gear...provided you have the know how to use it and it doesn't just collect dust on your shelf.



Great to have you...... blonde (Snir) was the bartender of the long-dead POTN ThreadPub, you carry on a fine tradition :D

I think we are willing to welcome all bartenders....as long as they bring the right stock with them!;)

[Lightstream]

Art is in the eye of the beholder. Someone dreamed up the romantic notion that in order to be taken seriously as an artist, you had to suffer some unspeakable horrors and deprivation. Folks that suffer from that archaic delusion are just that...delusional. Suffering doesn't make you artistic...it makes you sour on life.

I think we all know that it is true that the camera doesn't make the picture...but, I defy anyone to take a photograph without one. ;) There is nothing wrong with owning quality gear...provided you have the know how to use it and it doesn't just collect dust on your shelf.


Definitely agreed on the sour part. Times are much better for me now but what I have seen will never go away.

No wish to sacrifice that much for something I do as a hobby though ;) and good point about the gear. All of it gets used in various frequencies depending on what I happen to be tackling at the moment. Stuff that is not used is quickly resold to recycle it into liquidity to buy stuff (sometimes even camera related) that I WILL use.


I think we are willing to welcome all bartenders....as long as they bring the right stock with them!;)

Heck yes! :D

[Woolburr]

Time to go dream of UFO's for a while. Maybe shoot one with the sunrise.

[Claire]

Moooooooooooooo

[Woolburr]

rofl

[wu_wei0]

I don't havev any red rings or tupperware and my bartending skills are minimal so I doubt I could even fill in on Sari's breaks but the whole thing sounds loads of fun. Is there room for someone with no skills or talents who has no rings or containers to keep them in? I promise to get my camera out of the closet. I guess I could collect stories. . . ROFLMBO

Good moooooorning, Claire.

[Lightstream]

I don't havev any red rings or tupperware and my bartending skills are minimal so I doubt I could even fill in on Sari's breaks but the whole thing sounds loads of fun. Is there room for someone with no skills or talents who has no rings or containers to keep them in? I promise to get my camera out of the closet. I guess I could collect stories. . . ROFLMBO

Good moooooorning, Claire.


Oh, I'm sure she will train you.... :D

If not, just do it the way I do - get a shot glass, pour JB into the shot glass, pour shot glass into whatever glass is available containing ice, top with coke, throw straw in and drink it through straw.

I'm all out of coke....


BTW, just curious - what gear do you have? Not trying to justify my gearlist or make myself feel "good" about it (I just told someone yesterday not to worry about his 400D and 18-55 while carrying my 1D/70-200.. it's not an ego trip, it's just heavy), just curious.

[wu_wei0]

Oh, I'm sure she will train you.... :D

If not, just do it the way I do - get a shot glass, pour JB into the shot glass, pour shot glass into whatever glass is available containing ice, top with coke, throw straw in and drink it through straw.

I'm all out of coke....


BTW, just curious - what gear do you have? Not trying to justify my gearlist or make myself feel "good" about it (I just told someone yesterday not to worry about his 400D and 18-55 while carrying my 1D/70-200.. it's not an ego trip, it's just heavy), just curious.

I can make a mean sapphire and tonic and pop a beer with the best of them or ease a champagne cork so at least I can help with those. lol

Never had a red ringer but did have a gold ring til I sold some gear to buy the 30D and the tammy 28-75; also have a sigma 70-300 (not the fancy one), a sigma 500 flash (not super), macro ring flash, the kit lens, and a broken 300D (still shoots manual). Almost had extension tubes, but the guy I bought them from backed out after I sent him an instant payment. just waiting for his echeck to clear before I consider purchasing elsewhere. I should be able to talk myself out of it. ;) Equipment isn't a problem-- inspiration is.

oh and no tupperware. ;)

[PetKal]

Congrats on having a nice new threaded domicile, ladies. Aligned with your red theme as well as probably the most popular activity discussed, here is my present to you.
Thank you for not inviting me to the open house festivities.
Kidding ya all, I remain your faithful servant,

Balam

;) :lol:

[wu_wei0]

Congrats on having a nice new threaded domicile, ladies. Aligned with your red theme as well as probably the most popular activity discussed, here is my present to you.
Thank you for not inviting me to the open house festivities.
Kidding ya all, I remain your faithful servant,

Balam

;) :lol:
I must say thanks to you, Balam as it was your earlier post on CandyPet that informed me this thread was here. I was surprised you hadn't posted already.;)

[condyk]

Congrats, sharp. What lens did you use? Thanks for sharing. I'd crop 16mm off the top of the sky Sari.

Congrats, sharp. What lens did you use? Thanks for sharing. I'd add 16mm on the bottom of the frame Pete.

[PetKal]

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b130/saravrose/IMG_5570-01.jpg



sari
Nice shot. Too bad the deck is cockeyed...I am not kidding either.

[PetKal]

Permie....this is the only bird in flight photo I have ever successfully attained.

Canon EOS 1D Mark II N ,Canon EF 300mm f/4L IS USM
1/1000s f/5.6 at 420.0mm iso100


Lest I forget, Woolbie, many birders would be very happy if they shot that. Just try to move the "levels" to the left by about 1/2 EV (equivalent) in my estimate.

[Woolburr]

I don't havev any red rings or tupperware and my bartending skills are minimal so I doubt I could even fill in on Sari's breaks but the whole thing sounds loads of fun. Is there room for someone with no skills or talents who has no rings or containers to keep them in? I promise to get my camera out of the closet. I guess I could collect stories. . . ROFLMBO

Good moooooorning, Claire.

I know you like to have the occasional drink...so that means you should fit right in.

[saravrose]

It would be a dang poor UFO expedition that couldn't afford a decent bartender. No chasing supposed celebs though....what a waste of time and talent. Besides...the Enquirer pays as much for a good UFO shot as they do for a celeb pose.

That is a real tough view you have to suffer with Sari....my heart bleeds for you...;)

I know. just really crappy.. I really had to sit down and decide whether or not I could live in these conditions.. ultimately I decided I could suffer it..

thanks for the warm bartender welcome.. but, in truth i've never been unwelcome at any party... :confused: .. I suppose i'm handy...:D :D

sari

[saravrose]

Nice shot. Too bad the deck is cockeyed...I am not kidding either.

yes, but is my lake straight?.. cockeyed deck is just a deck that they need to fix.. cockeyed lake and I should move out of my condo in case it decides to run this direction.. but, thanks much.. anything nice from Petey leaves me with a sense of accomplishment a mile long... ;) ;)

sari

[saravrose]

Congrats, sharp. What lens did you use? Thanks for sharing. I'd crop 16mm off the top of the sky Sari.

Congrats, sharp. What lens did you use? Thanks for sharing. I'd add 16mm on the bottom of the frame Pete.

tammy ofcourse.. it's my new friend.. and yeah, the composition was a little tricky I was on the second floor of the resort looking over.. next time I'll go down stairs....

sari

[Claire]

I've raked leaves. I'm cold. I'm hungry. God, I want nachos...

Been looking at reviews for the Sigma macro 70mm 2.8. Got good reviews. Found a cheaper Canon EF-S 60mm in a store in Stockholm.

Edited a wedding photo. Really not in the mood to edit 40 pics. :(

Got 14 emails in my work email! Half from my boss. Geesh.

I'll go see his flat tomorrow & will make some calls to find out about rules when subletting.

I'm trying to redesign my website. Not going well. :rolleyes:

[wu_wei0]

I know you like to have the occasional drink...so that means you should fit right in.
Yes, on any occasion. and apparently I like lampshades as well, although I have yet to see proof!;)

[Woolburr]

Yes, on any occasion. and apparently I like lampshades as well, although I have yet to see proof!;)

Not only did you make off with the lampshade...you somehow managed to pocket all the CF cards in sight....so many "so-called" photographers and not a single media card to be found. You are a woman of many talents....I would think some of Liza's downpour would hit your neighborhood.;)

[wu_wei0]

Not only did you make off with the lampshade...you somehow managed to pocket all the CF cards in sight....so many "so-called" photographers and not a single media card to be found. You are a woman of many talents....I would think some of Liza's downpour would hit your neighborhood.;)

Hmmm. Since I don't even remember you picking me up when you were supposed to, I find it so very hard to believe. however, that was the first of my fevered delirium. . . .maybe whenI clean today I will find all the stashed CF cards. If so, I'll contact everyone to ship them back. :)
Somehow, I don't think thieving drunkards with odd fashion sense are much in demand around here. and so the drought continues. :) But yes, I am a woman of many talents.

[Woolburr]

Hmmm. Since I don't even remember you picking me up when you were supposed to, I find it so very hard to believe. however, that was the first of my fevered delirium. . . .maybe whenI clean today I will find all the stashed CF cards. If so, I'll contact everyone to ship them back. :)
Somehow, I don't think thieving drunkards with odd fashion sense are much in demand around here. and so the drought continues. :) But yes, I am a woman of many talents.


Yes, Dorothy....you are in Kansas.:lol:

[Woolburr]

Say What?
http://www.pbase.com/woolburr/image/70387129.jpg

[Permagrin]

Hullo all...or rather morning....

[Woolburr]

Where's the ElkFO's?

[Permagrin]

Where's the ElkFO's?

As captious as the local weather is, it's raining cats and dogs which are impuning my photography...sigh....

What's happening around here. I found the Abandon Ye....to be no longer hospitable at all..

[Woolburr]

This place will be hospitable.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

yes, but is my lake straight?.. cockeyed deck is just a deck that they need to fix.. cockeyed lake and I should move out of my condo in case it decides to run this direction.. but, thanks much.. anything nice from Petey leaves me with a sense of accomplishment a mile long... ;) ;)

sari

Say "I swear to god your lake is straight". :lol: :lol: I doubt anyone will pick up on that, but that's all I could think of when I read that. :lol:

[Permagrin]

Sari, the lake shot is beautiful! Makes me want to live there!

Wu! Of course you can come. We don't need anther barmaid but since you've already exhibited yourself as the life of the party, I'm hoping you can score another lampshade to replace the missing one....we took photos but they went the way of all other UFO photos :lol:

I've raked leaves. I'm cold. I'm hungry. God, I want nachos...

Been looking at reviews for the Sigma macro 70mm 2.8. Got good reviews. Found a cheaper Canon EF-S 60mm in a store in Stockholm.

Edited a wedding photo. Really not in the mood to edit 40 pics. :(

Got 14 emails in my work email! Half from my boss. Geesh.

I'll go see his flat tomorrow & will make some calls to find out about rules when subletting.

I'm trying to redesign my website. Not going well. :rolleyes:

Claire, it sounds like you've got a busy day...I'm currently sitting around bemoaning the rain....

Yes, on any occasion. and apparently I like lampshades as well, although I have yet to see proof!;)

see above...

Hmmm. Since I don't even remember you picking me up when you were supposed to, I find it so very hard to believe. however, that was the first of my fevered delirium. . . .maybe whenI clean today I will find all the stashed CF cards. If so, I'll contact everyone to ship them back. :)
Somehow, I don't think thieving drunkards with odd fashion sense are much in demand around here. and so the drought continues. :) But yes, I am a woman of many talents.

You make us laugh...what's a few CF cards btw. friends!!

This place will be hospitable.
thanks ;)

[Woolburr]

Off for a few shots before it rains...back in a while.

[Permagrin]

Off for a few shots before it rains...back in a while.

Well, I'm off to hit de road....back this evening!

[wu_wei0]

Yes, Dorothy....you are in Kansas.:lol:

RIP
125332


Long live ~wu (as long as it isn't in KS!)



(In the cemetary of my coordinates- sorry no way to do anything but simple convert here so lopsided, etc)

[Claire]

I can do a crappy rendition of the Lucia song if I can get drunk enough around the 11th... Company will have xmas dinner.

[wu_wei0]

S

You make us laugh...what's a few CF cards btw. friends!!


Cool! I'll hang on to them then. I need more CF cards anyway ;) Happy shooting all. I'm tempted to try to get out this evening, perhaps -but not sure how far I am willing to walk to find a subject. sure wish the extension tube deal hadn't fallen through.

[liza]

That's why I say you have more of the artistic and creative side. My bias towards the technical side shows in my work. Some don't like it. Tough luck for them; I am not asking them to anyway.

Besides the 'purists' are the ones screaming you have to shoot it on ghetto hardware like you are some suffering artist before it really becomes art. While they don't really bother me much, it almost seems my mere existence annoys them on two fronts; that I don't suffer for my art (I have done more than enough of that for my career over the last ten years.. some lessons we paid for in blood), secondly, more interestingly, I DON'T SEE IT AS ART http://pix.lightrefineries.org/img/crackup.gif it just occured to me! It isn't. It's more "This is how events happened today, a duck flew past, a gull took a dump in midair" :D


My bias toward the technical side puts money in the bank. People don't buy snapshots; they buy sharp, well-processed images. And that's what pays a good part of my bills these days.

Art is in the eye of the beholder. Someone dreamed up the romantic notion that in order to be taken seriously as an artist, you had to suffer some unspeakable horrors and deprivation. Folks that suffer from that archaic delusion are just that...delusional. Suffering doesn't make you artistic...it makes you sour on life.

I think we all know that it is true that the camera doesn't make the picture...but, I defy anyone to take a photograph without one. ;) There is nothing wrong with owning quality gear...provided you have the know how to use it and it doesn't just collect dust on your shelf.
I think we are willing to welcome all bartenders....as long as they bring the right stock with them!;)

I'm not into suffering. Give me a 2OD and L glass over a 30 year old film camera and manual focus lenses any day. I can shoot a sporting event with the former and not the latter.


tammy ofcourse.. it's my new friend.. and yeah, the composition was a little tricky I was on the second floor of the resort looking over.. next time I'll go down stairs....

sari

Lovely image, Sari. What a magical place to live and work! I see that the new Tammy is serving you well.

Been looking at reviews for the Sigma macro 70mm 2.8. Got good reviews. Found a cheaper Canon EF-S 60mm in a store in Stockholm.

Edited a wedding photo. Really not in the mood to edit 40 pics. :(

I'm trying to redesign my website. Not going well. :rolleyes:

I think you'd be happy with the 60mm, Claire. It's a good lens. I have the 100mm and love it. As for editing, I probably have well over a thousand images to edit this week and three more portrait shoots scheduled, which will add another 500-600 images. I think I need to hire someone to do all the PP. I'm not getting any sleep. :( And I have to do the website redesign, too.

This place will be hospitable.

Glad to hear it. Lightstream and I have cleared up the miscommunication from the other thread. And as for that thread, I'm finished with it.

Have a good day all!

[PetKal]

Listen guys, I am not quite sure who is that I might have hurt with my irrascible comments, however, I am sorry if I did.
At times, it is not me but my meds talking, or I get possessed, or just plain old silly, which is quite normal for me.
So again, no malice really intended ever, just a chattery ole silliness.

Be good, have fun.

[Permagrin]

Listen guys, I am not quite sure who is that I might have hurt with my irrascible comments, however, I am sorry if I did.
At times, it is not me but my meds talking, or I get possessed, or just plain old silly, which is quite normal for me.
So again, no malice really intended ever, just a chattery ole silliness.

Be good, have fun.

Thank you Peter.
yes, let's (pardon my Latin)..."Pax Fotographia"

[PetKal]

Thank you Peter.
yes, let's (pardon my Latin)..."Pax Fotographia"

That's a great one I must remember. :lol:

[liza]

I just found a cool photo from a few weeks ago that I took after our defeat to the Red Hill football team. It's kind of surprising to see how many of them cry after a loss. The coach says that football is an emotional game, and I guess he's right.

http://www.smugmug.com/photos/111372098-L.jpg

[condyk]

Listen guys, I am not quite sure who is that I might have hurt with my irrascible comments, however, I am sorry if I did. At times, it is not me but my meds talking, or I get possessed, or just plain old silly, which is quite normal for me. So again, no malice really intended ever, just a chattery ole silliness. Be good, have fun.

Apologies accepted. It is always wrong to judge others and I do not do so in your case. I also feel that I have been possessed at times and feel a need to apologise, which I do wholeheartedly. Maybe it was something I ate: perhaps those mushrooms I bought from a wandering minstral. Compassion is all too rare in this world. The Mods and Rockers have much of it. We can only learn by following their guiding light.

[Permagrin]

I was simply crossing (erasing) all language barriers...;) (maybe causing them) but the point is clear I think...w/o saying that old maudlin (can't we all just be friends)...let's all just be at peace. That works for me.

[Permagrin]

I just found a cool photo from a few weeks ago that I took after our defeat to the Red Hill football team. It's kind of surprising to see how many of them cry after a loss. The coach says that football is an emotional game, and I guess he's right.



WOW Liza, that one does affect one...with all the adrenaline pumping...poor kids can't just bottle it up...nice (filthy but nice ;) ).

[PetKal]

Apologies accepted. It is always wrong to judge others and I do not do so in your case.
Hold on a bloody minute, I have not apologized to you, have I ?:evil:
First, you dish it out, you need to get some back in equal measure. Secondly, you seem to enjoy an occasional wack....it makes you do keener and better....like a young plum tree. Furthermore, being to me almost like my virtual son I never had, I feel I need to groom you in the art of manly tough love.;) :lol:

[liza]

The ones I took after the playoff game were worse. The senior boys were literally sobbing. Not just because they lost but because it was their last game of high school football. I'll have to dig those out and post them.
My little boy took my new avatar photo. He was assisting me on a senior photo shoot, so I gave him the camera for a few minutes while my customer was changing outfits. This is me sans makeup and without my hair fixed.

http://www.smugmug.com/photos/111372091-M.jpg

[condyk]

Hold on a bloody minute, I have not apologized to you, have I ?:evil:

Apologies about your apology.

Look, I am avoiding these threads so don't engage me in discourse. They are important but are clearly not created for my kind. I need my own threads, with warnings attached to protect some who may wander in innocently. I have no more to say to you here :D

[Permagrin]

The ones I took after the playoff game were worse. The senior boys were literally sobbing. Not just because they lost but because it was their last game of high school football. I'll have to dig those out and post them.
My little boy took my new avatar photo. He was assisting me on a senior photo shoot, so I gave him the camera for a few minutes while my customer was changing outfits. This is me sans makeup and without my hair fixed.



Wow, you are really teaching him well. Exposure is great, DOF is great, and even posing... I'm impressed. How old is the future Ansel?

[saravrose]

Apologies about your apology.

Look, I am avoiding these threads so don't engage me in discourse. They are important but are clearly not created for my kind. I need my own threads, with warnings attached to protect some who may wander in innocently. I have no more to say to you here :D

dave I think of you as a fairly even tempered teenager and am at a losss as to why warning labels should be attached to conversation with you.. maybe only a general awareness to who is behind the text and then, in knowing that individual you will also understand there's never any real heat behind anything spoken... you and pete both delight in giving back anything I dish out... But, still were all friends even if you feel like locking me in a closet so the boys can go outside and climb trees and bloody eachothers noses without the pesky girl getting in the way... at the end of the day we are all on the same page... except ofcourse when the real world gets in the way and were forced to read some fifty odd posts to catch up... ;)

sari

[Woolburr]

I've found a beautiful feature on this forum....the ignore button...dang if when you hit it....if it doesn't erase all traces of the offensive person.

[liza]

Wow, you are really teaching him well. Exposure is great, DOF is great, and even posing... I'm impressed. How old is the future Ansel?

Little "Ansel" is eleven. He's done some excellent macro work, too. Puts me to shame.

I've found a beautiful feature on this forum....the ignore button...dang if when you hit it....if it doesn't erase all traces of the offensive person.

Dwight McCann told me about that button a while back. And it works like a charm. ;)

[Woolburr]

Liza....football is an emotional game for sure...very disheartening to come out on the short end of the stick...especially when you have pumped your self up to believe that you are invincible. Tears are a fairly normal reaction...sure beats doing something stupid.

Your assistant has the eye...better sign him up.

[liza]

Yeah, they really did think they were invincible. Going in to that game, they were 7 and 1, so they were really pumped up. We still got to play the first round playoff game on our home field, but lost miserably with a final score of 40-10.
As for Little Ansel, I've already signed him up to assist on portrait shoots. His older brother is my assistant at weddings, though, because he's bigger and can carry more gear. :)

[Woolburr]

Some days it doesn't pay to have muscles.;)

[Woolburr]

RIP
Long live ~wu (as long as it isn't in KS!)

(In the cemetary of my coordinates- sorry no way to do anything but simple convert here so lopsided, etc)

Side lopped or not...that about says it all...:cool:

[Maureen Souza]

So this is where you guys are playing now....:)

[liza]

Yes, Maureen. We found a new playground. :)

[Claire]

I'm bored. And hungry. Entertain me.

[saravrose]

I'm bored. And hungry. Entertain me.

i'm watching your robbie williams on concert.. cute accent by the way.. Oh, and I need to go to the grocery store and change out of my uniform.. but, i'm getting very comfortable on my sofa..

[Woolburr]

Wu....8 more from the icehouse...they were shooting a documentary there today....didn't want to let me in....:cry: Icehouse Shots (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=241660)

[liza]

Let's have a snack and then we can all take a nap. :)

[Woolburr]

A nap could be terminal....

[Claire]

Keep watching the concert. :) I've only seen his Swing concert in the Royal Albert hall. It was aired on BBC when I was still at Uni.

[Claire]

Ok, I need to go to bed soon...

[Maureen Souza]

I am off to our daughter's (both of them) soccer match to shoot some pictures. Not my favorite forte but I cannot decline darling daughter's request ;)

[Woolburr]

Bring back some to share!

[liza]

Consider using the 135L on the 20D. The 1.6 crop and 5fps would be good for soccer. Have fun, and post a few when you return!

[wu_wei0]

Wu....8 more from the icehouse...they were shooting a documentary there today....didn't want to let me in....:cry: Icehouse Shots (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=241660)
Fab!! I'm heading over to look now.

A nap could be terminal....
Only if it is a dirt nap.
I've taken a couple today and am still here to tell the tale. I may yet take another. :D

[liza]

I think I'll set up a couple hundred shots for batch processing in the raw converter and catch forty winks. :)

[Woolburr]

Fab!! I'm heading over to look now.


Only if it is a dirt nap.
I've taken a couple today and am still here to tell the tale. I may yet take another. :D

Naps are a good thing....I've been a full 36 without one....I think the time is drawing near.:rolleyes:

[belmondo]

Naps are a good thing....I've been a full 36 without one....I think the time is drawing near.:rolleyes:Naps are good. So are nappies. At my age, I need plenty of both.

[wu_wei0]

Naps are a good thing....I've been a full 36 without one....I think the time is drawing near.:rolleyes:
It would be nice to sleep like normal folks but naps are about all I can manage, as you know. too bad I can't catch them during the week. . . unless you count falling asleep at my desk. not a good idea as students don't like drool spots on their homework. :D

HIe the to the bed, man!

[Lightstream]

I think I'll set up a couple hundred shots for batch processing in the raw converter and catch forty winks. :)

RAW does take time..

I realized the other day, converting my RAWs from the 1D, 200 frames x 5 seconds per frame on a decently fast new computer (2.8Ghz dual core for those who are interested), that adds up to 1K seconds, divide by 60, that's 16 minutes worth of napping.. that's quite a lot!

You brought up some good points earlier about well processed shots too, I fully agree.. I am not a commercial shooter, but the 'clients' are impressed. I recently did a shoot for free (training for me really), and let a few people have a sampling of the full size JPEGs. The comments coming back are very positive, I heard some of them remark that they've never been able to blow up shots this big and still have them be sharp. Ah.. that is the idea. 6x4" is extremely forgiving of all but my most severely botched shots, as I have found. No challenge there; gotta get 'em up to A4/letter size before I am happy, that is slightly smaller than 8x12".

[Lightstream]

It would be nice to sleep like normal folks but naps are about all I can manage, as you know. too bad I can't catch them during the week. . . unless you count falling asleep at my desk. not a good idea as students don't like drool spots on their homework. :D

HIe the to the bed, man!

I could never sleep face down on a desk for some reason, I always have to lean backwards....

[Woolburr]

I could never sleep face down on a desk for some reason, I always have to lean backwards....

And I usually keep right on going backwards....:lol:

[wu_wei0]

And I usually keep right on going backwards....:lol:
same here. I used to keep a sleeping bag in my office for such times as I couldn't stay awake, or spent the night there working on projects.

[Lightstream]

And I usually keep right on going backwards....:lol:


Prop the chair against a wall. One of the useful things I learned :D

[Woolburr]

I think I should just slip on a crash helmet for those times I get the sleepies while sitting vertical. Probably would cut down on the knots considerably.

[Lightstream]

Yikes.. not much of a solution is it? A more comfortable chair is the ticket :D

My preferred home computer chair is actually an armchair... you can sleep in it safely....

[belmondo]

Yikes.. not much of a solution is it? A more comfortable chair is the ticket :D

My preferred home computer chair is actually an armchair... you can sleep in it safely....Agreed. My 'work station' is a recliner. The Mac Mini is on the floor next to me. The keyboard is bluetooth. I use a trackball that sits on the arm of the chair, and the monitor sits on a small table to the side.

This is such a comfortable arrangement, it's not uncommon for me to fall sound asl..

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ZZZZ SNORK


Huh?

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What was I saying?

[wu_wei0]

Agreed. My 'work station' is a recliner. The Mac Mini is on the floor next to me. The keyboard is bluetooth. I use a trackball that sits on the arm of the chair, and the monitor sits on a small table to the side.

Sounds like my arrangement a few years ago after a back injury. I miss that chair! Much better set up than a door for the desk and a dining chair I use now.

[Woolburr]

Agreed. My 'work station' is a recliner. The Mac Mini is on the floor next to me. The keyboard is bluetooth. I use a trackball that sits on the arm of the chair, and the monitor sits on a small table to the side.

This is such a comfortable arrangement, it's not uncommon for me to fall sound asl..

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ZZZZ SNORK


Huh?

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What was I saying?

All too familiar.:lol:

[Maureen Souza]

Bring back some to share!

Consider using the 135L on the 20D. The 1.6 crop and 5fps would be good for soccer. Have fun, and post a few when you return!
As I said, sports are not my strong point but here are 2 shots of our daughter, Danielle. I took a couple dozen decent shots so she will be happy with them.

[Lightstream]

Agreed. My 'work station' is a recliner. The Mac Mini is on the floor next to me. The keyboard is bluetooth. I use a trackball that sits on the arm of the chair, and the monitor sits on a small table to the side.

This is such a comfortable arrangement, it's not uncommon for me to fall sound asl..

.


.
ZZZZ SNORK


Huh?

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What was I saying?

That's the way to fly!

Is the Mini your main image processing system? I had a Mini once but did not like it.. sold it eventually. :(

The P4 2.8Ghz dual core is nice though....

[Woolburr]

Cool....real daylight to shoot in....what is that like?

[Maureen Souza]

And eldest daughter (I didn't want tol eave her out but she didn't get much ball action)

[belmondo]

That's the way to fly!

Is the Mini your main image processing system? I had a Mini once but did not like it.. sold it eventually. :(

The P4 2.8Ghz dual core is nice though....

No, I have a MacPro for my image processing. (MacBook Pro for travel). I bought the mini just for using in the recliner. Anything else just takes up too much space. I don't think it has enough horsepower to do anything too strenuous. In fact, I don't even have any software installed on it other than Mozilla.

[liza]

RAW does take time..

I realized the other day, converting my RAWs from the 1D, 200 frames x 5 seconds per frame on a decently fast new computer (2.8Ghz dual core for those who are interested), that adds up to 1K seconds, divide by 60, that's 16 minutes worth of napping.. that's quite a lot!

You brought up some good points earlier about well processed shots too, I fully agree.. ".

I just use the batch processor on RSE and attend to other things as they process. Then for sports shots, I batch them again in Photoshop after processing, crop, and upload. For portraits, I do everything individually, as I make a great deal more money on those. I'm going to put together a proposal for the parents of senior for posters and framed 16x20 prints. I may offer a few other products, too, since I did fairly well this year on scrapbook pics and posters.

[MDJAK]

mistake

[Lightstream]

No, I have a MacPro for my image processing. (MacBook Pro for travel). I bought the mini just for using in the recliner. Anything else just takes up too much space. I don't think it has enough horsepower to do anything too strenuous. In fact, I don't even have any software installed on it other than Mozilla.

Yeah the Mini is pretty much a toy.. as my first Mac that I ever owned, it really wasn't very nice. Not a great experience for someone who tried to convert.. and didn't suceed..

Like you the only thing I can think of that's useful for it is as a web browser terminal. I'd deploy them at the office for hassle-free web application terminals, but Apple customer service ticked me off and made me wait six weeks for my Mac.. they need to learn that I may "only" appear to be an end user, but I influence and recommend decisions at work.. we went Windows XP.

What they need to do is stuff a TV tuner into it and various video inputs, or make a Firewire breakout box for those inputs, then it would make a very nifty little TV tuner/set-top box or DVD player.

[belmondo]

Actually, I haven't found it completely hassle-free, even in my limited use of it. It's very slow connecting to the internet. I'm using a wireless network here at home(802.11g), and the Mini is really balky. My little HP toaster PC is considerably faster---almost instantaneous, so I don't know what the problem is. It has built-in Airport wireless, and it should be completely compatible. All my laptops are faster, including the Powerbook Pro.

Anyway, it looks good...guess you could say 'it's cute,' but aside from the novelty, it's not all that useful

[Lightstream]

Actually, I haven't found it completely hassle-free, even in my limited use of it. It's very slow connecting to the internet. I'm using a wireless network here at home(802.11g), and the Mini is really balky. My little HP toaster PC is considerably faster---almost instantaneous, so I don't know what the problem is. It has built-in Airport wireless, and it should be completely compatible. All my laptops are faster, including the Powerbook Pro.

Anyway, it looks good...guess you could say 'it's cute,' but aside from the novelty, it's not all that useful

It's nice for a small computer for applications, such as retail, point of sale, or other space-constrained places (office is one of them). Fortunately, I used wireline Ethernet, so no worries during my time other than being slow. Needed more RAM, definitely.. I had the 1.25Ghz/256MB/40GB configuration.
I guess it all comes down to which platform's faults you can live with.. nothing is perfect (not even those who like to claim it is). So far out of the whole lot I like UNIX systems the best, especially in terms of line of business reliability, but they are very mission-specific and are only good at certain things. Running Photoshop.. forgetit. Running open-source equivalent.. even more forgetit (I REALLY don't like it)'

A shot in the dark, but have you tried repositioning the Mini? Also, are there any 2.4Ghz devices (cordless phones) near it? Try turning off Bluetooth and using a wired keyboard as an experiment to see whether it works better. Bluetooth shares the same band as 11g, and while they should be able to safely interoperate with each other, should doesn't always translates to "will" :D

[belmondo]

It's nice for a small computer for applications, such as retail, point of sale, or other space-constrained places (office is one of them). Fortunately, I used wireline Ethernet, so no worries during my time other than being slow. Needed more RAM, definitely.. I had the 1.25Ghz/256MB/40GB configuration.
I guess it all comes down to which platform's faults you can live with.. nothing is perfect (not even those who like to claim it is). So far out of the whole lot I like UNIX systems the best, especially in terms of line of business reliability, but they are very mission-specific and are only good at certain things. Running Photoshop.. forgetit. Running open-source equivalent.. even more forgetit (I REALLY don't like it)'

A shot in the dark, but have you tried repositioning the Mini? Also, are there any 2.4Ghz devices (cordless phones) near it? Try turning off Bluetooth and using a wired keyboard as an experiment to see whether it works better. Bluetooth shares the same band as 11g, and while they should be able to safely interoperate with each other, should doesn't always translates to "will" :D

I might try it with the wired keyboard. That's excellent information. Thanks.

[Lightstream]

I might try it with the wired keyboard. That's excellent information. Thanks.

You're welcome, hope it works out for you.

Speaking of photography I came across a good shot in the newspaper. Actually, it wasn't all that "good" - it wasn't technically perfect. It wasn't 'art' either, it was raw in your face imagery of a protester smashing a police vehicle with a metal pole. I covered the same protest but did not witness the violence (was in a different place at that time).

For whatever reason, autofocus missed and locked onto the media folks standing behind the guy, but the shot was so dramatic with flying glass in the air at just the right moment. I can imagine the editor saying "screw the focus, run the image" - and it was a truly riveting shot. The image told the story.. it's what it's about.

[Permagrin]

Alas, folks....no Elk UFO's. We saw the elk...they were so close but the rain was coming down, absolutely biblical style. (the elk had to be close for us to see them...) My choices were to open the window and try to shoot from the car....and flood my car, or skip it so I did. I'm glad I did though. I think I've caught a cold...and the last thing I needed was a soaking, for sure!

[Claire]

I have picture of elks/moose. :p

[Permagrin]

I have picture of elks/moose. :p

I love to photograph both, especially in the wild. They are so huge...so powerful...especially this season, when all their antlers are sharpened to such dangerous points...

I wonder if they vary much in size and shape btw. the NO. American versions and the ones you've shot?

[Claire]

I don't know the difference between an elk and a moose or if it's just different words for the same thing.

[Permagrin]

I don't know the difference between an elk and a moose or if it's just different words for the same thing.

They are two completely different animals.

This is a female moose
http://LC-images.smugmug.com/photos/111584771-M.jpg

this is a female (doe) elk surround by male (bull) elk
http://LC-images.smugmug.com/photos/111585020-M.jpg

this is a bull elk (he was definite head of the herd we were photographing)
http://LC-images.smugmug.com/photos/111584920-M.jpg

[liza]

No, they're different. Elk are like big deer. A moose is a much larger creature with flattened antlers.

[Claire]

Aaaah. Then it's moose I mean. :)

[Lightstream]

Aaaah. Then it's moose I mean. :)

Or as Wool would say...... mooooooooooose ;)

[Claire]

Unfortunately I don't have my external hard drive with me today, otherwise I'd post a moose pic.

[Lightstream]

Wakey wakey! COFFEE!!

http://pix.lightrefineries.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1468&g2_serialNumber=2

I really enjoyed using the ST-E2 and off camera flash for this one. Onboard flash (350D) made the grains look flat, like brown powder, but off-camera flash really brings out the sparkle. Here's a crop:

http://pix.lightrefineries.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1471&g2_serialNumber=2

I was holding the 430EX underneath the camera while angling it to shoot straight into the foil pouch holding the coffee. A snoot* made of paper could have been useful but I liked the effect as-is, so I am leaving it as that.


* light modifier. Imagine wrapping a toilet roll around your flash to prevent the light from straying - that's what it does. I would wrap white paper around it in a roll.

[Claire]

I bought coffee beans with chocolate. :D

[Lightstream]

I bought coffee beans with chocolate. :D


Cool....I have had those before, very nice.

Ugh.....the suggestion of chocolate is verrrrrrrry tempting...

[Lightstream]

Here's my attempt to make you all hungry:

http://pix.lightrefineries.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1474&g2_serialNumber=2

Lit high to the right, 430EX fired into 33" umbrella. One light, one ST-E2.

[saravrose]

I love to photograph both, especially in the wild. They are so huge...so powerful...especially this season, when all their antlers are sharpened to such dangerous points...

I wonder if they vary much in size and shape btw. the NO. American versions and the ones you've shot?


in the middle of winter up here.. starting next month I believe there is a ranch a few miles away that lets you go on a wagon ride to their 'elk feeds' they have been supplying the wild elk with food for years and they always have tons of them on their range.. so, for like five bucks you can go, take a ride in an old fashioned wagon, looking at the view of back country that you're normally not allowed on and see perhaps dozens of elk at the same time.. Me-thinks if we end up with a girls weekend up here we should go..

sari

[Woolburr]

Or as Wool would say...... mooooooooooose ;)

Hey now....that's my line!;)

[Lightstream]

mooooorning wooooool ;)

Sadly I have been unable to shoot a Kow for you with the 100-400, however, will you settle for a Kook(uburra)?

http://pix.lightrefineries.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1477&g2_serialNumber=2

[Claire]

I went to the store and felt the 60mm and the 100mm. The 100mm isn't as big as I thought it'd be. both felt nice. The Sigma 70mm won't get here until Dec and unfortunately it wasn't as cheap as the website said, they had priced it wrongly. lol So, the 60mm seems the cheapest option, so guess that'll be it. Now I need to either wish it for Xmas or ask my friend in stockholm to drop by the store there and get it for me cheaper...

[Lightstream]

I am personally wondering if I should go for the 100 macro.... just a thought, but one that has been brewing in my mind for a while. I would like to run a full frame compatible system. And I'm a leeeeeeettle bit tired of the 350D's balky AF.

PG's recommendation of the Tamron 90 macro is interesting, but I also wonder if this will be Bigma #2, ie. bought it, don't like it, sold it and ended up going Canon (when I should have gone all out for the first place). Gripes are the same, no USM/IF/FTM.

[Woolburr]

You would think with a beak that big...that poor bird would tip over on his face on a regular basis. That boy is all beak.

[Woolburr]

I just think the 100 macro is a more versatile lens. The 65 is only for EF-s...and really isn't meant for anything beyond macro work....the 100 is a great macro...compatible with all the cameras...plus it is a decent short tele too. For the small difference in price...the 100 justs seems like a better choice.

[Lightstream]

You would think with a beak that big...that poor bird would tip over on his face on a regular basis. That boy is all beak.

Hahhaa.. well, actually his beak doesn't look all that big. Maybe I am used to different ones.

Check THIS one out:

http://pix.lightrefineries.org/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1480&g2_serialNumber=2

I just think the 100 macro is a more versatile lens. The 65 is only for EF-s...and really isn't meant for anything beyond macro work....the 100 is a great macro...compatible with all the cameras...plus it is a decent short tele too. For the small difference in price...the 100 justs seems like a better choice.

Thanks.. as always, I appreciate your insights. The 60 macro is a 96mm FOV equivalent, and so makes a nice telephoto on the EF-S platform, functionally equivalent to the 100mm on FF. Unfortunately, it is EF-S only, as you've said. Hacking the 60 lets me use it on the 1D, but that's not what I had in mind.. I was thinking 5D, really.

[Woolburr]

The beak thing is all about proportion....that poor little kookaburra just looks like he is going to tip over from all that weight up front.