View Full Version : How do i create this effect?
motophoto
1st of February 2004 (Sun), 21:41
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/picture_library/dir_25/car_portal_pic_12632.jpg
andy advise on how I can acheive a photo like this?
Guillermo Freige
1st of February 2004 (Sun), 21:46
In fact, very easily
Just use a fast shutter speed as 1/250-1/500 (or lower if you want to increase the effect) and just track the car with the camera, doing a panning, and keeping the car "static" in the frame, while you press the shutter button. This way the car is "stopped" in the frame but the background is actually moving at the car speed, so using a intermediate shutter speed, you motion blur the background but not the car.
CyberDyneSystems
1st of February 2004 (Sun), 22:06
Yes,. it is called "panning" :)
GenEOS
1st of February 2004 (Sun), 22:11
Two ways, old school and new age.
Panning at slower shutter speeds, depending on technique and skill, you can pan down to 1/30th and even use a flash.
Do it in your digital dark room. But that's cheating to a purist.
Molly55
1st of February 2004 (Sun), 22:43
And of course you'll need a Clio too :lol:
Vegas Poboy
1st of February 2004 (Sun), 23:37
Like the rest of the group says panning, go out to a busy road & practice its fun with people running or on bike also.
chris.bailey
2nd of February 2004 (Mon), 01:45
[quote="Guillermo Freige"]In fact, very easily
quote]
Not sooo easy. Keeping a fast moving car in frame on a 400mm lense is a skill learnt through hundreds of failures.
KennyG
2nd of February 2004 (Mon), 04:11
In fact, very easily
Not 'easily', but with a lot of practice to get the panning technique right. You need to shoot with a fairly slow shutter speed, start at 1/250 and work your way to slower speeds as you get better.
For example, this panned shot was taken at 1/125
http://www.ken.grey.dsl.pipex.com/images/misc/ff-c-17.jpg
And this one at 1/250 (a real racing Clio)
http://www.stiuk.dial.pipex.com/op-rc-2-web.jpg
In general, use settings - TV mode 1/250, ISO400, AI Servo, Centre focus point only.
Practice and more practice.
chris.bailey
2nd of February 2004 (Mon), 04:40
Both awesome shots Kenny that I would die and go to heaven if I managed. Just the right degree of blur to convey a feeling of speed.
motophoto
2nd of February 2004 (Mon), 09:21
wow, those are wonderful shots kenny.
thanks you guys for your advise, i think ill go camp out by the side of the street today and give it a try!
dynesaur
2nd of February 2004 (Mon), 09:32
A monopod is surely needed to achieve a nice panning effect. Am I right? I haven't tried it yet but I sure like to try it someday.
Mikesht
2nd of February 2004 (Mon), 10:56
KennyG- fantastic shots!
Let me ask a question: would it be wise for this type of a shot to actually set up a tripod with horizontal degree of freedom only- in other words, your camera can rotate gorizontally freely, but not up and down. Set it up in advance and practice with a couple of cars to get a movement of a tripod head in sinc with cars.
Does this sound like something usefull?
Mikhail
Derek Smith
2nd of February 2004 (Mon), 11:50
This looks more like PS motion blur than the 'real thing'.
Using a static picture of the car, select the car, select inverse and apply motion blur to the desired level (don't forget little areas like windows etc)
Then select each wheel in turn and apply radial blur. Finally, rotate to give the hill effect and crop to taste.
Although PS gives the flavour of motion, I feel it lacks something achieved by using the photographic panning technique. Although some of the experienced action photographers have said this is easy, I have yet to master this skill to achieve a sharp car image. However, the 10D is the perfect tool to practice with - quick feedback at zero cost!!
Yance
2nd of February 2004 (Mon), 12:40
I think it would be quicker and easier to make a panned picture of a car than to try and make a believable, simulated pic in Photoshop. Just because the picture makes the car look like it's going fast doesn't mean that it is. If the shot is a setup, have the driver go 10-15mph and use an appropriate shutter speed. You may have to experiment with different shutter speeds to get the best effect.
KennyG
2nd of February 2004 (Mon), 16:58
KennyG- fantastic shots!
Let me ask a question: would it be wise for this type of a shot to actually set up a tripod with horizontal degree of freedom only
No, panning like this is best done hand-held. You need the freedom to track the car, selecting it as it comes into sight, take the shot at the appropriate time and make sure you follow through. You just can't do this with a tripod, far too restrictive. You get into a rythm as you take panned shots on a race track, with your feet still and your body swivelling at the waist you develop a flowing motion like a golfer practicing swings.
A monopod is only useful for panning when you are using really big glass (my 300mm or 500mm primes for example) where hand-holding isn't practical. Even then it depends on where you shoot from on the track as to how good a 'swing' you can get with the lens on the monopod.
It is all about conveying motion and speed. If you are in a position to get good panned shots when the track is wet, then you have an opportunity for a bit of experimentation, as here:
http://www.ken.grey.dsl.pipex.com/images/classic2003/f1-5.jpg
Think of panning like a golf or tennis shot. Eye up the 'ball' (car) and follow it with your eyes (focus point) until you reach the point where you take the shot, and just as in these games - follow through. Get that smooth rythm going.
maderito
2nd of February 2004 (Mon), 17:27
I agree with Derek. The shot used PS motion blur effects. This is a random example using motion blur angled at 18 degrees:
http://display.lifepics.com/imgdisp.asp?filespec=%60foxhx2cuxmwdogx%5D9%3C%3D8 %3B9dOjeOrmlfetww%2Fqym%0D%3A3%3B8%3B8%10964%3A4%3 D
jimbeam747
2nd of February 2004 (Mon), 21:54
I agree. Dereks technique was used in this shot. I also detect a slight amount of embossing in the motion blur.
Beamer
Yance
3rd of February 2004 (Tue), 08:32
I agree. Dereks technique was used in this shot. I also detect a slight amount of embossing in the motion blur.
Beamer
Actually, the wheels would be next to impossible to use this technique on and get a realistic effect. Compare the wheels to the ones in Kenny's pics. The brake drums are entirely visible through the hubcap spokes. This is something that is typical with real motion blur but not easily done with Photoshop. The reason why the background is not blurred entirely like Kenny's pics are because of the speed of the car and the shutter speed.
Also compare the original pic with the car shown in this article (http://www.ephotozine.com/techniques/viewtechnique.cfm?recid=188). Especially note the reflections on the car which would be extremely difficult to add a motion blur onto. Like I mentioned before, this pic could be done with Photoshop but not as easily and not as realistic as done in real life.
scottbergerphoto
3rd of February 2004 (Tue), 08:44
Kenny G,
WOW!!!!!.
Scott
jimbeam747
3rd of February 2004 (Tue), 09:13
Good observations Yance, but for the sake of argument.............the rear of the car in question, just behind the rear side window, shows no motion blur, leading me to believe it still might be PS. Also, the rear wheel shows what might be a sloppy job of outlining prior to applying a radial blur. But who knows , eh??
Beamer
Yarin
3rd of February 2004 (Tue), 11:10
http://yarinwww.freemansden.com:81/picts/best/IMG_1152.jpg
f/8 1/125 iso 100. I find that ~1/125 gives me the right amount. I've only shot one event with this camera, can't wait till the spring!
Taken with Drebel and 18-55mm lens. Just follow the object like everyone says. Snap when the time is right.
You can take motion shots like that with any camera:
http://yarinwww.freemansden.com:81/picts/busa.jpg
I took this with my old Nikon Coolpix 885. [/img]
Derek Smith
3rd of February 2004 (Tue), 12:42
As you can see from the following example in PS, radial blur on spoke wheels is not only easy, it is also pretty realistic in comparison to motion blur. The perceived problem of the disk turns out not to be a problem, because the disk is circular and uniform, so radial blur on it does not change its appearance, wheras the spokes 'spin' nicely. Also, although the car might have to appear to have moved a foot or so during the shot, the wheel only turns a fraction of a turn, so dont overdo the 'spin'.
PS can do a lot, but I challenge anyone to create that incredible spray shot posted by Kenny, and after all, why 'fake it' when the real world is out there waiting for you and your 10D to come practice.
http://www.ragwort-uk.com/wheel.jpg
PhotosGuy
5th of February 2004 (Thu), 10:16
Hey! Don't just "stop" at 1/125 sec! You can get some interesting effects down to 1 second, too! True, a lot will be junk, but that's what the trashcan is for & it's one of the reasons we're shooting digital now, right?
;-D
I can't post an image, but there's one near the top-left of the first pic at the site I listed, & another on the 2nd pic.
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