1D's and 70-200 2.8 IS ?

[RgB]

Using a 1D's MKII and a 70-200 2.8IS what would you hook the Monopod up to, body or lens?

[MDJAK]

ring on lens is best way. once in a while I either don't have the tripod ring on the lens, or just am too dumb to use it. You can get away with either way, but you lose the ability to go portrait if you don't use the tripod ring. Unless you want to pick up the monopod and hold it at 9 or 3 o'clock.

mark

[Tapeman]

The lens.

[PacAce]

Definitely the lens. Not only does it give you the flexibility to switch between landscape and portrait modes very quickly, it also balances out the combo a lot better. And also puts less strain on the lens mount of the camera, to boot.

[RgB]

Thanks guys:D

[Tareq]

Congrats
I ordered for 1Ds MarkII and 5D together at once
I hope within one week or so the gears are here

[RgB]

Tareq i haven't ordered yet.

I am now thinking what if i make the order then in a months time the MKIII comes out!!!

I think I should wait till the end of February what do you guys think?

[Tareq]

Tareq i haven't ordered yet.

I am now thinking what if i make the order then in a months time the MKIII comes out!!!

I think I should wait till the end of February what do you guys think?

I can't wait.
Still there is time before new camera will produced and be released.
and i am not sure what more features will be there on that new model.
Anyway, you can wait if so, who knows what you can get.

[RgB]

I am not getting the 1D's MKII anymore it's too much for a hobbyist. If in the future i do this for a living then i will get it.

So for now my 30D will have to do.

I am going to buy 3 lenses for my 30D and keep and save my money.

The three lenses most likely be something like;

10-22
24-70L
70-200 2.8L

I am still going to think about it for a week or two.

I'd love to get the 1Ds MKII now but i don't need it and it would be silly to get it now:(

Thanks for all your advice guys.

[Dante King]

Wimp! You will be haunted for life, knowing you settled for 3rd best. :):)

[RgB]

Wimp! You will be haunted for life, knowing you settled for 3rd best. :):)

I Know:(

[RgB]

I am now looking at getting a 1D MKIIn and a few lenses at least this way i won't spend all my money:)

[Dante King]

Spend it spent it!!! Cant take it with you!!! :):)

[RgB]

Spend it spent it!!! Cant take it with you!!! :):)

LOL Thanks for the advice Dante King.

Now what lenses to choose.

120-300 2.8 Sigma DG

Plus 2 more lenses UWA if possible and a standard Zoom, what should i get?

This is my current list.
1D MKIIn
10-22 (30D) or 17-40L
24-105L
120-300 2.8 Sigma DG

Will the 17-40L be wide enough?

I'll have to order soon so i get it before Christmas. I'll do it next week:)

[Tareq]

1Dmk2N
17-40
24-105 or 24-70
70-200

thats it

[TeeJay]

1Dmk2N
17-40
24-105 or 24-70
70-200

thats it

I couldn't agree more!! (see sig):lol: :lol:

[RgB]

1Dmk2N
17-40
24-105 or 24-70
70-200

thats it

What about the choosing between 24-105L and 24-70L.

The 24-105 would be a great walk around lens.

But i am getting the 120-300 2.8 It has great IQ with a 2X TC @ 600mm

[RgB]

Tareq you should get the sigma 120-300 2.8 The photos i have seen are just amazing and it's stats are better than the 70-200 2.8L IS. And it's BLACK:p

[naqs]

Using a 1D's MKII and a 70-200 2.8IS what would you hook the Monopod up to, body or lens?

I would throw the Monopod away and turn IS on ;)

[Tareq]

Tareq you should get the sigma 120-300 2.8 The photos i have seen are just amazing and it's stats are better than the 70-200 2.8L IS. And it's BLACK:p

for what pupose?
70-200 will be the best zoom ever from canon.
100-400 is more than enough to me.
just because that range and f2.8 i don't think it will be my most used lens, don't forget that 70-200 of sigma is great too but still canon one is the best.
you have to buy what you like and feel ok with.
Just now i am waiting a brown truck to come to my house with new present ordered:lol:

[StealthLude]

Congrats
I ordered for 1Ds MarkII and 5D together at once
I hope within one week or so the gears are here


Why would you do that? I much rather have a MarkII1Ds and a 1D or a 30D...

You loose the crap factor which is a HUGE benifit with tele lenses. Not to mention, they are both "landscape" cameras. I would have wanted a "sports" camera as well. For the crop factor may it be 1.3 or 1.6, and high speed frame rates @ 8 FPS or 5 FPS.

With a 1Ds and a 5D, the 5d is going to waste.

Just my opinion...

EDIT:
And then I saw your gear list... And saw your pretty well geared out. haha

[Tareq]

Why would you do that? I much rather have a MarkII1Ds and a 1D or a 30D...

You loose the crap factor which is a HUGE benifit with tele lenses. Not to mention, they are both "landscape" cameras. I would have wanted a "sports" camera as well. For the crop factor may it be 1.3 or 1.6, and high speed frame rates @ 8 FPS or 5 FPS.

With a 1Ds and a 5D, the 5d is going to waste.

Just my opinion...

EDIT:
And then I saw your gear list... And saw your pretty well geared out. haha

I have 350D, 30D and 1D markII N, and that new FF similar bodies will come without losing anything or selling any camera, so i have all factors from 1 to 1.6;), and i have all mega pixels from 8 to 16;), and i have all speeds from 3fps to 8.5fps;)
anything else?

[StealthLude]

I have 350D, 30D and 1D markII N, and that new FF similar bodies will come without losing anything or selling any camera, so i have all factors from 1 to 1.6;), and i have all mega pixels from 8 to 16;), and i have all speeds from 3fps to 8.5fps;)
anything else?

Yes, I can have it now? :D

[Tareq]

Yes, I can have it now? :D

lol, if you were in UAE you can use them all.;)

[RgB]

for what pupose?
70-200 will be the best zoom ever from canon.
100-400 is more than enough to me.
just because that range and f2.8 i don't think it will be my most used lens, don't forget that 70-200 of sigma is great too but still canon one is the best.
you have to buy what you like and feel ok with.
Just now i am waiting a brown truck to come to my house with new present ordered:lol:

That sigma would be great on a 1D MKIIn for sports, for a 1Ds MKII the 70-200 would be better so it could be used as a portrait lens also.

[RgB]

I'll let you guys know what i get when i get it and i might shock you all:D

[RgB]

I just called for a quote and I've pretty much made up my mind:)

Dammm it's a lot of money:rolleyes:

Thanks for all the advice all.

Watch this space:D

[StealthLude]

lol, if you were in UAE you can use them all.;)


I wanted to tell all the PONTers I am moving. ;)

[Tareq]

I wanted to tell all the PONTers I am moving. ;)

You are welcome my friend.
In fact i need someone to use my gears as i can't use them all at the same time and it will be my pleasure to share my gears with someone, in that case i will feel more relax when i am with someone rather than alone.

Don't be late, i am waiting;)

[jevidon]

You are welcome my friend.
In fact i need someone to use my gears as i can't use them all at the same time and it will be my pleasure to share my gears with someone, in that case i will feel more relax when i am with someone rather than alone.

Don't be late, i am waiting;)are you a pro? because I can understand having two cameras (which I plan on doing myself soon), but 5 cameras is a little overkill......

[Tareq]

are you a pro? because I can understand having two cameras (which I plan on doing myself soon), but 5 cameras is a little overkill......

here are many people asking me how to clean the camera and what is the lens which give you focal length from 10-400 and so, all that just not to change lenses.
and each camera has something not on another one, and i am an addiction to electronics and i try to buy the best product as i want to use its maximum limits, so if i have computer with 500 GB harddisk and 2GB ram so why i can't use cameras with 12-20 MP, and for sports there is one or 2 cameras. and my old cameras are now for my children and friends, so it is like i use only 3.
and it is great to have each camera with different lens, no need to change lenses if i want to photograph macro and wide angle landscape and some birds all at one day same time;)
don't worry, i am not pro, but ask others who i think they are not pro or even pro but use more than 3 cameras here, you know what i mean.;)

[grego]

LOL Thanks for the advice Dante King.

Now what lenses to choose.

120-300 2.8 Sigma DG

Plus 2 more lenses UWA if possible and a standard Zoom, what should i get?

This is my current list.
1D MKIIn
10-22 (30D) or 17-40L
24-105L
120-300 2.8 Sigma DG

Will the 17-40L be wide enough?

I'll have to order soon so i get it before Christmas. I'll do it next week:)

17 is fairly wide on 1.3 crop(1D series). I have the 16-35, and it gives me an FOV of about 20-21mm. For most purposes, its wide.

120-300. Great lens. It's just not one for handholding for long periods. That's where the 70-200 IS is useful. And it makes a wonderful portrait lens on any crop. The traditional range is from 85mm to 135mm. It fits in there in all the cropped cameras.

for what pupose?
70-200 will be the best zoom ever from canon.
100-400 is more than enough to me.
just because that range and f2.8 i don't think it will be my most used lens, don't forget that 70-200 of sigma is great too but still canon one is the best.
you have to buy what you like and feel ok with.
Just now i am waiting a brown truck to come to my house with new present ordered


Depends, The 120-300 is defintely better from 201-300mm. If we are talking about non-handholding applications. It has its advantages over both the 70-200 and 100-400. Canon has nothing that can top the 120-300 in the 201-300mm range.

Tareq you should get the sigma 120-300 2.8 The photos i have seen are just amazing and it's stats are better than the 70-200 2.8L IS. And it's BLACK

Both are good. Neither is really better overall. They carry different applications, if you break it down. That's why I have both, because they really don't conflict in anything even though they share the 120-200mm range.

[Tareq]

17 is fairly wide on 1.3 crop(1D series). I have the 16-35, and it gives me an FOV of about 20-21mm. For most purposes, its wide.

120-300. Great lens. It's just not one for handholding for long periods. That's where the 70-200 IS is useful. And it makes a wonderful portrait lens on any crop. The traditional range is from 85mm to 135mm. It fits in there in all the cropped cameras.




Depends, The 120-300 is defintely better from 201-300mm. If we are talking about non-handholding applications. It has its advantages over both the 70-200 and 100-400. Canon has nothing that can top the 120-300 in the 201-300mm range.



Both are good. Neither is really better overall. They carry different applications, if you break it down. That's why I have both, because they really don't conflict in anything even though they share the 120-200mm range.

so is that focal length so important so then i have to buy 120-300?
just i was thinking for most birds shots 100-400 is enough or i should get one prime for sharper or faster sometimes.
and for sports, i think many use 300 or 400 primes, so i don't know if that siggy 120-300 is more used than 70-200 or 100-400, and yes, i use lenses mostly handholding rather than tripods or monopod unless if i buy very heavy lens like 400 or 600, so what do yoy think?

[grego]

so is that focal length so important so then i have to buy 120-300?
just i was thinking for most birds shots 100-400 is enough or i should get one prime for sharper or faster sometimes.
and for sports, i think many use 300 or 400 primes, so i don't know if that siggy 120-300 is more used than 70-200 or 100-400, and yes, i use lenses mostly handholding rather than tripods or monopod unless if i buy very heavy lens like 400 or 600, so what do yoy think?

It's all relative to the user and of course the money factor, most of all.

Outside of that, it depends. If you carry 2 bodies(like you do, probably), then a prime is easier to work with because you have an alternative lens on the other body.

It's really up to how you like to shoot and how much weight you like to carry. A monopod will generally help you be more accurate and still give versatility in quickly settling than handholding, over a long period of time.

But with birding, longer, usually is better. Your 100-400 would be useful in that case, especially as a light carry and a one lens + one body solution.

I should have made it more clear. Lens usefulness can vary. Heck, i probably should have had a 400 for the UCLA-USC football game i just photographed, but i did save 100 dollars, so Im happy.

[jevidon]

here are many people asking me how to clean the camera and what is the lens which give you focal length from 10-400 and so, all that just not to change lenses.
and each camera has something not on another one, and i am an addiction to electronics and i try to buy the best product as i want to use its maximum limits, so if i have computer with 500 GB harddisk and 2GB ram so why i can't use cameras with 12-20 MP, and for sports there is one or 2 cameras. and my old cameras are now for my children and friends, so it is like i use only 3.
and it is great to have each camera with different lens, no need to change lenses if i want to photograph macro and wide angle landscape and some birds all at one day same time;)
don't worry, i am not pro, but ask others who i think they are not pro or even pro but use more than 3 cameras here, you know what i mean.;)I can understand where your argument is coming from, but I personally don't believe that I would ever carry three cameras around just to avoid having to switch lenses - two would be more than enough. But, to each his own - if you are able to afford it I suppose there is nothing wrong with supporting Canon...

[Fredo]

Daniel - I have the 120-300 DG with 1.4x DG teleconverter lens mated to a 30D - it's a ripper combo.

In actual fact (when shooting high action sports such as surfing and baseball) the lens is let down by the 30D. The 120-300 lens is very quick to lock-on to it's subject but the 30D could do with a few more AF points.

Also, the AF system on the 30D can at times produce inconsistant results. Hence my reason to look for a 1DMkII. Now that should turn a ripper combo into a sensational combo. I'm looking very much forward to using the 1DMkII and the Sigma 120-300mm DG lens.

Hope this helps in your decision...

FREDO

[grego]

Daniel - I have the 120-300 DG with 1.4x DG teleconverter lens mated to a 30D - it's a ripper combo.

In actual fact (when shooting high action sports such as surfing and baseball) the lens is let down by the 30D. The 120-300 lens is very quick to lock-on to it's subject but the 30D could do with a few more AF points.

Also, the AF system on the 30D can at times produce inconsistant results. Hence my reason to look for a 1DMkII. Now that should turn a ripper combo into a sensational combo. I'm looking very much forward to using the 1DMkII and the Sigma 120-300mm DG lens.

Hope this helps in your decision...

FREDO

You'll enjoy the 1DMKII on any good lens. And 120-300 is one of those. The only sad thing is losing some of that extra field of view. About 100mm of it.

[Tareq]

I can understand where your argument is coming from, but I personally don't believe that I would ever carry three cameras around just to avoid having to switch lenses - two would be more than enough. But, to each his own - if you are able to afford it I suppose there is nothing wrong with supporting Canon...

I can carry 2 cameras and in Europe i was carrying 2 cameras and yet i was changing too.
So, i like when i carry more than oen camera as i feel it is faster to snap shots with different focal lengths than waiting to change between lenses and then get more change for dust.
but anyway, it is depends on user as grego said, i found some here considering 100-400L or 70-200L or 1Dmk2 so heavy and they replace it.
I like those gears and i paid for them to use, so i am not complaining at all.

[Tareq]

You'll enjoy the 1DMKII on any good lens. And 120-300 is one of those. The only sad thing is losing some of that extra field of view. About 100mm of it.

Now i have some prime lenses as high priority, i will not think of zooms now, but when i will finish my lenses list then i can think of some additional lenses such as 120-300.

[RgB]

Tareq: The reason i said you should get it is because canon simply doesn't have a 300 2.8 zoom lens. This lens is great for sports and wildlife. Think about it with a 2X converter you have 600mm. This is at 600mm and it's very sharp!!

2x TC 600mm
http://www.pbase.com/image/41363176

300mm
http://www.pbase.com/image/40113359
http://www.pbase.com/rytterfalk/image/34982860

That's 960mm on a 30D + 2xTC

780mm on a 1D MKIIn + 2xTC

[Tareq]

Tareq: The reason i said you should get it is because canon simply doesn't have a 300 2.8 zoom lens. This lens is great for sports and wildlife. Think about it with a 2X converter you have 600mm. This is at 600mm and it's very sharp!!

2x TC 600mm
http://www.pbase.com/image/41363176

300mm
http://www.pbase.com/image/40113359
http://www.pbase.com/rytterfalk/image/34982860

That's 960mm on a 30D + 2xTC

780mm on a 1D MKIIn + 2xTC

My saving money for next gears will be only for Canon 300 f2.8, or 400 f2.8, 500 is there too, between 85L and 50L, so this lens is in the bottom of my coming gears list.

[Tareq]

Oh i forgot to say that UPS man just called me and he is on the way to my house with 1 box, guess what is it?;)

[RgB]

1 Box with another box inside

[RgB]

Shutter cable, Bag, hand strap.

[Tareq]

1 Box with another box inside

1 box with another 2 boxes inside

[TeeJay]

Crikey Tareq, just checked your gear list..... thats not a gear list, it's B&H's store inventory! :rolleyes:

How about a photo of it all? (well all except the extra wide angle lens you'd need to use to get it all in the shot! ;-))

TJ

[Andy_T]

Daniel,

I really hate to spoil the fun for you, but is it really a smart decision to get all the goodies at once?

No offence intended, but going from your current gear (18-55+70-300) to what you have been asking about will most likely take some getting used to.

My suggestion would be to
- get one or two good lenses first (suggestion: 70-200/2.8 IS if you still want to get it and 10-22 if you are not getting a 1.3x or 1.0x crop body anytime soon). Especially the 70-200/2.8 IS will most likely give you dramatically different results than your current gear.
- try out the new gear, learn it, get used to it.
- Once you have mastered it, go on with building up your gear

OK, I agree that there might be compelling reasons for getting everything at once (e.g. your wife will never allow you to buy more gear, so oyu have to get all at once now :wink: ).

However, for me personally, getting all I have been dreaming about in one big step would most likely spoil it. I wouldn't know which of those great lenses to use first etc. Plus, don't rush it. Once you've tried out how you get along with some of your new gear, you might re-assess what you want to get next.

Also, re the 120-300 ... while I agree that it certainly is a great lens from most of the images I have seen, it is quite a monster to hand-hold. Plus, I've seen the one or other thread with images from copies that were less than sharp wide open. For me, that would suck a lot in a lens with such a price tag. Be sure you buy from a reputable source.

And finally ... what I am missing in your wish list, is one or more good fast primes.
OK, maybe you are not a prime fan, but maybe you just have not tried a good one yet. Ever thought about it?
Suggestions here would be the 50/1.8 (bargain), 50/1.4 (great lens, especially for portraits) or Sigma 30/1.4 (only if you decide to stay with 1.6x crop), otherwise Canon 28/1.8. But be aware, it might be addictive. The innocent 50/1.8 definitely was addictive for me.

Just some thoughts.

Best regards,
Andy

Actually, my wife would lough out loudly if I told her that I am acting as 'voice of reason' here on the forum :lol:

[grego]

Also, re the 120-300 ... while I agree that it certainly is a great lens from most of the images I have seen, it is quite a monster to hand-hold. Plus, I've seen the one or other thread with images from copies that were less than sharp wide open. For me, that would suck a lot in a lens with such a price tag. Be sure you buy from a reputable source.


Love mine, Actually its a bargin relatively speaking. It's one of the most affordable 300 2.8's out there. That's what you really buy it for. The 201-300mm with a max aperture of 2.8.

[52k]

Daniel,
I And finally ... what I am missing in your wish list, is one or more good fast primes.

What a good point Andy... It's funny how the prime lenses get missed out, something i've discovered after borrowing a mate's f1.8 for a weekend simply because he was raving about how good it was and told me to give it a go.

I was disappointed with the construction and bolting such an item on a fine camera like a 1D seems a little odd until you start playing with the sudden control you get over depth of field and surprisingly great quality.

In the end I went for the 50mm f1.4 which is considerably better construction and slightly better low light performance. It's kind of my toy lens and one of my favourite ones to play around with. I've done some great portraits with it and am loving the control you get with the depth of field.

Being small and light relative to some of the larger IS and L lenses I've been using it's a welcome relief. I wouldn't go anywhere without it now so yeah, stick one in the bag and enjoy.

[RgB]

Daniel,

I really hate to spoil the fun for you, but is it really a smart decision to get all the goodies at once?

No offence intended, but going from your current gear (18-55+70-300) to what you have been asking about will most likely take some getting used to.

My suggestion would be to
- get one or two good lenses first (suggestion: 70-200/2.8 IS if you still want to get it and 10-22 if you are not getting a 1.3x or 1.0x crop body anytime soon). Especially the 70-200/2.8 IS will most likely give you dramatically different results than your current gear.
- try out the new gear, learn it, get used to it.
- Once you have mastered it, go on with building up your gear

OK, I agree that there might be compelling reasons for getting everything at once (e.g. your wife will never allow you to buy more gear, so you have to get all at once now :wink: ).

However, for me personally, getting all I have been dreaming about in one big step would most likely spoil it. I wouldn't know which of those great lenses to use first etc. Plus, don't rush it. Once you've tried out how you get along with some of your new gear, you might re-assess what you want to get next.

Also, re the 120-300 ... while I agree that it certainly is a great lens from most of the images I have seen, it is quite a monster to hand-hold. Plus, I've seen the one or other thread with images from copies that were less than sharp wide open. For me, that would suck a lot in a lens with such a price tag. Be sure you buy from a reputable source.

And finally ... what I am missing in your wish list, is one or more good fast primes.
OK, maybe you are not a prime fan, but maybe you just have not tried a good one yet. Ever thought about it?
Suggestions here would be the 50/1.8 (bargain), 50/1.4 (great lens, especially for portraits) or Sigma 30/1.4 (only if you decide to stay with 1.6x crop), otherwise Canon 28/1.8. But be aware, it might be addictive. The innocent 50/1.8 definitely was addictive for me.

Just some thoughts.

Best regards,
Andy

Actually, my wife would lough out loudly if I told her that I am acting as 'voice of reason' here on the forum :lol:

Thanks for your good advice. I would of got the 50 1.4 if a could but that will be my next lens to fill the gap.

My old lenses i will sell immediately. I am not getting the sigma any more. I'll let you guys know when i get them since i have mentioned so many lenses and camera's. LOL

I am going to make the purchase in a few days and of course i am buying from a very reputable source who i have purchased a small item, the Copper Hill cleaning kit.

I am buying from this company and it's great dealing with the owner directly.
Do check out his site as he himself is a Canon photographer.

http://www.qualitycamera.com.au/

[Dante King]

Go Danny GO!!!

[RgB]

Go Danny GO!!!

LOL:D

[Lord_Malone]

Slightly OT, but I've managed to get by on one camera body for the most part. It's a pain in the ass when you're shooting an event and keep needing to switch lenses to get the shot you want, but you can do it. With that said, I'm now 100% committed to owning two or more bodies.

BTT, with the 70-200L IS, I always use the tripod ring. Common sense.

[grego]

Slightly OT, but I've managed to get by on one camera body for the most part. It's a pain in the ass when you're shooting an event and keep needing to switch lenses to get the shot you want, but you can do it. With that said, I'm now 100% committed to owning two or more bodies.

BTT, with the 70-200L IS, I always use the tripod ring. Common sense.


Now you know how i felt for a long long time. That's where the 120-300 was good when i had one body and did sports. :)

But nice to have 2.