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[luannf1980]

Hi, new here.. Just looking through all the post since MAY! I couldnt stop looking. Youse' shoot some nice photos! Makes me want to get married all over again.... These brides sure are lucky to have <95%> of you as photgraphers.. so just wanted to say ::when I grow up:: lol: :I want to be just like you:: Again..Nice shots!!

::going now to pout over my album I just got back last week...lots of sun in my eyes...lighting off..grainy...ugh im sooo not happy with them::


which my PHOTOGRAPHER himself...was a great guy... had the kids smile every photo...he worked for a *company* not on his own...and I suppose the people they use to *edit* SUCK..

[picturecrazy]

There is a lot of talented processing brains here. Post some of your photos that you are unhappy with and I'm sure some of the people here can add their style to it and maybe you'll like the resulting photo better than what you got...

[Tiffany]

There is a lot of talented processing brains here. Post some of your photos that you are unhappy with and I'm sure some of the people here can add their style to it and maybe you'll like the resulting photo better than what you got...

Probably better not do that - copyright issues, you know. We aren't allowed to touch images unless the copyright holder specifically gives permission (which is why we, as posters, have to select that it's ok for people to edit our images).

[karensimmons]

Post some of your photos that you are unhappy with and I'm sure some of the people here can add their style to it and maybe you'll like the resulting photo better than what you got...Can you say "copyright violation"?

Unless the OP has a written release giving her rights to do this with her images, then I'd suggest not doing it. Not only would she be liable, but the owners/managers of the board would be liable.

Karen

[picturecrazy]

Can you say "copyright violation"?

Unless the OP has a written release giving her rights to do this with her images, then I'd suggest not doing it. Not only would she be liable, but the owners/managers of the board would be liable.

Karen

Usually, if you have a disc you paid good money for with your wedding photos you SHOULD have a release too. At least, this is what I do with my clients.

So post 'em up.

[luannf1980]

;) well thanks for the offer... however I haven't got a disk :>.. If I were to scan a few....The photographers name is not on them anyplace...and they used kodak professional..so their name is not on them..ORR my moms friend was at the wedding with her 20d and a few lens..she made me a nice album. I do have that on disk someplace..Maybe pick one or two out and post them.. and If the talent here has time they can *jazz* it up..

[karensimmons]

If I were to scan a few....The photographers name is not on them anyplace...and they used kodak professional..so their name is not on them..It doesn't matter if the photographer's name is on them or not, the copyright belongs by law to the person who took the photo. Scanning and posting them would be a violation of copyright law.

Karen

[picturecrazy]

Ask your mom's friend if you can post up some of her photos and modify them. If she is cool with it then go for it. I probably wouldn't scan your photographers prints and post them up for modification without a release though. You can try to get one from him but if he didn't provide one then you'll likely have to pay for it.

And Karen, most of us here are QUITE aware of copyright issues... and it's easy to inform those who aren't, without barking policies in our faces.

[karensimmons]

And Karen, most of us here are QUITE aware of copyright issues... and it's easy to inform those who aren't, without barking policies in our faces.Uh ... I don't know what your problem is, but I'm not "barking" anything. I merely stated that the photographers name does not have to be on the photos - that they are protected by copyright automatically. I don't know where you get "barking" from, from a simple statement of fact.

Karen

[subtle_spectre]

Every so ofetn one of these copyright issues comes up that begs for light. This seems one. If the OP posts an image "as is" and does not claim it as his/hers and credits it as due, for purposes of discussing the image itself and gaining some sort of knowledge about the image, especially since it's technical value may be in issue and the OP is seeking opinions in that regard...the use would likely be considered a "fair use" as determined by code and case law across the United States.

To suggest otherwise would be tantamount to saying that a bride or groom who had some photos could not show them to friends and family or, if unhappy with them, could not share them with their lawyer for opinion purposes.

As has been pointed out from time to time, copyright law protects the creators of intellectual property, but should not be considered an absolute and impervious barricade to an average day-to-day citizen enjoying and sharing such a work.

Just my .02 worth...

Indiana Supreme Court Number 15139-64

[Tiffany]

Subtle - sure, posting them to look at and critique is FINE under fair use. What is being suggested is that the OP should post the photos so that the members of this forum can edit them in photoshop and try to make them better for OP. That would be creating a derivitive work and is definitely a copyright violation.

[Wazza]

The only way you can get around it legitimately is if you can contact your photographer, and ask for permission to edit the images. Likely his/her original copyright only applies to the original media, and as we know, no duplicates, or tweaks can be made. So the best thing you can do is just ask..

Also Pekka (the owner of the board), if any situation arose from some infringement, shouldn't be accountable. There's the terms of the forum, and I'm sure he couldn't get sued.

I'd probably just work with the images you already have access through, with the 20D photos, (with permission of course). :)

[islandphoto]

Doesn't copyright mean that the customer cannot reproduce the images for money... They can't modify their wedding images? That's a weird thought!

[liza]

I shudder to think that they would modify them. If they hired me to photograph them, I'd like to think that they would have enough respect for my style and my vision not to do this.

[islandphoto]

What if someone took photos of your wedding and you really loved them but wanted to try some of your own ideas on them as well? My husband and I recently had our photos taken at sunset and the photog will include the originals as well for exactly this reason. He understands that I play around in photoshop alot and may have some different ideas.

[karensimmons]

Doesn't copyright mean that the customer cannot reproduce the images for money... No. Copyright means they cannot copy them. Period. Not for free, not for money, not at all.

Also Pekka (the owner of the board), if any situation arose from some infringement, shouldn't be accountable. There's the terms of the forum, and I'm sure he couldn't get sued.Common sense says he shouldn't. The law says he can be.

Karen

[islandphoto]

they could get sued for anything - would the lawsuit go through? Probably not. My feeling is if you do have the cd of your own wedding images and aren't planning to reproduce them for commercial use, is there really a big deal? Everyone is too sue happy now a days.

What if you take the cd into a place like costco and order the sepia version or whatever... is this modifying the image? Yes.

[liza]

If you want it modified, ask the photographer who took the image to modify it. That's only fair. I wouldn't want someone to alter the images, because if they do a crappy job I wouldn't want my work represented in that way. Especially if they were going to have them printed at Costco vs. a professional lab.

[karensimmons]

they could get sued for anything - would the lawsuit go through? Probably not.Could and has. Message boards have been successfully sued for not monitoring content before, no matter what the terms of service are.

Karen

[picturecrazy]

are you a lawyer or something? you seem pretty passionate about this whole copyright and liability thing.

[karensimmons]

are you a lawyer or something? you seem pretty passionate about this whole copyright and liability thing.This board is cracking me up. Why is it that providing a plain factual statement or correcting some incorrect information in response to what someone has said is "harsh", "barking", or "passionate"? Goodness. You guys need to get out more! :)

No, I'm not a lawyer. But I make my living from my copyrighted images, as do most professional photographers. I would think that it would be important for those of us who make our livings with our copyrights to know and understand how the law works. And when misinformation and just plain wrong data is put out there by pros and other pros believe it, it harms the entire industry.

Every professional photographer should actually READ the copyright law and understand how it works and how it applies to them, their businesses, and their clients.

So yeah, I *am* passionate about copyright. I'm passionate about protecting my rights. I'm passionate about protecting the rights of other artists.

Karen

[picturecrazy]

LOL

Information still gets passed around here quite effectively... you just do it rather bluntly.

You'd get along well with Tim.

I'm no stranger to copyright issues. I've lost uncountable dollars due to infringement in both photos and software piracy. (I also have a degree in computer science)

[SimonG]

... Every professional photographer should actually READ the copyright law and understand how it works and how it applies to them, their businesses, and their clients. ...
Of course, this will vary somewhat from place to place, which is why it's important for people to understand the applicable laws for their own jurisdiction / country. One cannot assume that these laws are entirely consistent around the world either, particularly since many of the applicable copyright acts are woefully behind the times when it comes to digital rights.

[jamiewexler]

...
Information still gets passed around here quite effectively... you just do it rather bluntly.
...

Karen...blunt...? Yes. She is also a very successfull full time professional photographer, and one heck of a businesswoman. She's a very valuable resource to have on this board, and her blunt advice will earn you money!

[subtle_spectre]

LOL


You'd get along well with Tim.



Without passing on any other comment, this remark is among the funniest I have seen on this board!

Oh...and I am a lawyer.

[picturecrazy]

Karen...blunt...? Yes. She is also a very successfull full time professional photographer, and one heck of a businesswoman. She's a very valuable resource to have on this board, and her blunt advice will earn you money!

I have no doubt you are very successful, Karen.

It's just a clash of personalities. I like to keep things really light. I'm just QUITE entertained by how our two personalities are approaching this topic in different manners.

And oh yeah, welcome to the wedding forum! :D

[picturecrazy]

Without passing on any other comment, this remark is among the funniest I have seen on this board!

Oh...and I am a lawyer.

And nothing personal implied at all.... as I said... I like keeping things light and relaxed. Keeps those darn strokes and heart attacks away. (They run in my family)

[subtle_spectre]

And nothing personal implied at all.... as I said... I like keeping things light and relaxed. Keeps those darn strokes and heart attacks away. (They run in my family)

No big deal...I didn't take badly at all...I should have added smilies! :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[karensimmons]

LOL. No hard feelings. Really I am more amused rather than offended - truly. Just makes me laugh that plain speaking is considered blunt. Message boards have really changed the perception of communications - if you don't smileyface everything, then you're often accused of being harsher than the words you say warrants.

I do get frustrated when people attribute a "tone" to my words that wasn't there to begin with just because I don't :) :) :) my posts.

But it's all good. Really.

And thanks for the compliments guys. I appreciate the backup and the kudos.

K.

[luannf1980]

wow...sorry if I caused any harsh feelings... everyone better now? Moms friend said she gave me the disk to do with what I please b.c she did not feel like editing :X lol.. as far as my professionals... I think I will keep them to myself..lol BUT wanted to say.. I paid for my pictures, My photographer will never see me nor my pictures again..WHY would it be a horrible thing if I were to edit MY wedding photos to make them look better, if it were for my personal use..just as the ones he originally took anyhows?? Its not my fault he took bad photos? AHH any which way.. im going to look for the CD my moms friend took..See what we have one there :)

[liza]

Because other people might see them and think that it represented the photographer's work. And "bad" is a perception.

[karensimmons]

And "bad" is a perception.And perception is reality for most people.

Exactly!

Karen