PLACE YOUR BETS HERE!!!!!

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Oh don't worry...I can't afford the L yet, and have nothing left to sell. Even if I sold the Tammy, I'd only have like $500 toward the L, with no way to get the rest. Don't want to sell the 85..I just got it, and like it.

[Permagrin]

And we're off! Muhahhaha that 24-70 L I stole from you is ultra sharp. :)

It's finally there? Very cool! Did you post any shots with it yet?

Ron, I've still got my bets on, for the next transaction.... ;)

[Ronald S. Jr.]

What do you think I'll be up to, Permanent?

[Permagrin]

What do you think I'll be up to, Permanent?

(are you the type to do the exact opposite if I tell you ;) )

I think you'll go back to the 5D. And sell that tamron and buy your 24-70 back ;)

[Ronald S. Jr.]

I'll tell ya what. If I do anything with this body, it'll depend on one thing.

The guy that owns the Opera House made me a bit of an offer. In January or so, he's going to change his second floor (currently dressing rooms and such for the actors) into a gallery for art shows and the like. Since the main floor will be essentially empty, he said I'm welcome to setup a semi-permanent studio up there, and simply cut him in for a portion of the proceeds and basically be "cost-free". Sounds pretty fantastic, I think. However, I have no lighting whatsoever. So, I just put together what I'd need on the AB website, and it rings in at around 1200 bucks. Ouch. Know what that means? It means if I want to do this, and don't come up with cash elsewhere, I'm gonna be selling my just gotten N and getting probably a 30D (maybe a pair of them) and getting the lighting. I don't want to do that, but gosh...it could result in some crazy money making opportunities.

Basically, here's the list I put together:

3 AB800's
two 10' stands
a backlight stand
a medium softbox
two silver/white 48" umbrellas
a medium softbox
a wired 4-channel remote

..anything else?

So, I'm not thrilled at the thought of losing this amazing camera, but I may temporarily have to do that, BUT NOT UNTIL EARLY NEXT YEAR. :shock:

He just threw this all on me today, and I don't even know if it's something I'll go for.

What do any of you guys think, without being sarcastic?

[Ronald S. Jr.]

btw, I only say 30D instead of 5D because I'll need other things like a tripod, backdrops, etc. which will add up to another $1k very quickly.

The good news is (in a backwards way) that if I do end up doing that, it means probably not having to buy a single thing with money out of pocket.

[Permagrin]

I'll tell ya what. If I do anything with this body, it'll depend on one thing.

The guy that owns the Opera House made me a bit of an offer. In January or so, he's going to change his second floor (currently dressing rooms and such for the actors) into a gallery for art shows and the like. Since the main floor will be essentially empty, he said I'm welcome to setup a semi-permanent studio up there, and simply cut him in for a portion of the proceeds and basically be "cost-free". Sounds pretty fantastic, I think. However, I have no lighting whatsoever. So, I just put together what I'd need on the AB website, and it rings in at around 1200 bucks. Ouch. Know what that means? It means if I want to do this, and don't come up with cash elsewhere, I'm gonna be selling my just gotten N and getting probably a 30D (maybe a pair of them) and getting the lighting. I don't want to do that, but gosh...it could result in some crazy money making opportunities.

Basically, here's the list I put together:

3 AB800's
two 10' stands
a backlight stand
a medium softbox
two silver/white 48" umbrellas
a medium softbox
a wired 4-channel remote

..anything else?

So, I'm not thrilled at the thought of losing this amazing camera, but I may temporarily have to do that, BUT NOT UNTIL EARLY NEXT YEAR. :shock:

He just threw this all on me today, and I don't even know if it's something I'll go for.

What do any of you guys think, without being sarcastic?

Why not 1 5D instead of 2 30's? If I was going to exhibit, I'd use a 5D for sure. (I know nothing about lighting so I can't comment on that.)

[Ronald S. Jr.]

see last post. ;-) Of course I'd want the 5D instead..don't see that flying, though, unless like I said, I get some money between now and then.

[Permagrin]

see last post. ;-) Of course I'd want the 5D instead..don't see that flying, though, unless like I said, I get some money between now and then.

Maybe you'll get a 5d for Christmas ;) !!

(then you can sell the MKIIN to fund the rest...btw, just don't do it until 12pst on the 5th okay?) :lol:

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Ha..no, no 5D for xmas. No chance in hell of anything even remotely resembling that. You best believe, though, that I'll be saving every cent, just in case I can get enough cash.

Ironically enough, though, should I switch to portraiture (which I'm terrible at, by the way [better work on that]), the MkIIN wouldn't make a whole hell of a lot of sense, now would it? ;-)

[Lightstream]

Oh it's fine. I did a girl's senior pictures today with the N and the 28-75, and compared to the 85 1.8 (on the N), I'm supremely dissatisfied with the performance of the Tammy. Truly pathetic. God I hope I can get a 24-70L back soon. Geeez.

I TOLD you.... you have tasted the POWER.....you can never go back and be content with less!

Fortunately I have Permagrin around to slap me into my senses whenever I think of doing anything stupid like buying a 28-105 USM. She does a great job of reminding me that us L owners have a hard time compromising.

Maybe you'll get a 5d for Christmas ;) !!

(then you can sell the MKIIN to fund the rest...btw, just don't do it until 12pst on the 5th okay?) :lol:


Back to the 5D again. Full frame rules. :)


And.. I just noticed.....Calicokat must be back.....WELCOME BACK!!!

[Dante King]

wouldn't make a whole hell of a lot of sense, now would it? ;-)

what does? what does ronald?

[condyk]

... it could result in some crazy money making opportunities. What do any of you guys think, without being sarcastic?

No sarcasm ... I think it's a boredom induced dream that will end up as just another 'hobby' purchase. Anyway, no one makes money taking photo's. They make money selling photo's. Ask Dante how he makes money in that Diner of his. Anyway, I thought you were going to shoot naked girls somewhere in the Caribbean.

[Lightstream]

No sarcasm ... I think it's a boredom induced dream that will end up as just another 'hobby' purchase. Anyway, no one makes money taking photo's. They make money selling photo's. Ask Dante how he makes money in that Diner of his. Anyway, I thought you were going to shoot naked girls somewhere in the Caribbean.

I always thought the Diner was a front. Tote a big enough camera in and you will be quietly ushered to the camera shop in the basement. ;) :lol:

[calicokat]

And.. I just noticed.....Calicokat must be back.....WELCOME BACK!!!

to Ronalds delight, i am :eek:

[blonde]

I'll tell ya what. If I do anything with this body, it'll depend on one thing.

The guy that owns the Opera House made me a bit of an offer. In January or so, he's going to change his second floor (currently dressing rooms and such for the actors) into a gallery for art shows and the like. Since the main floor will be essentially empty, he said I'm welcome to setup a semi-permanent studio up there, and simply cut him in for a portion of the proceeds and basically be "cost-free". Sounds pretty fantastic, I think. However, I have no lighting whatsoever. So, I just put together what I'd need on the AB website, and it rings in at around 1200 bucks. Ouch. Know what that means? It means if I want to do this, and don't come up with cash elsewhere, I'm gonna be selling my just gotten N and getting probably a 30D (maybe a pair of them) and getting the lighting. I don't want to do that, but gosh...it could result in some crazy money making opportunities.

Basically, here's the list I put together:

3 AB800's
two 10' stands
a backlight stand
a medium softbox
two silver/white 48" umbrellas
a medium softbox
a wired 4-channel remote

..anything else?

So, I'm not thrilled at the thought of losing this amazing camera, but I may temporarily have to do that, BUT NOT UNTIL EARLY NEXT YEAR. :shock:

He just threw this all on me today, and I don't even know if it's something I'll go for.

What do any of you guys think, without being sarcastic?

alright, here is my bet. he is getting his 1DmkIIn today so i am saying:

1/07/07 he sells that tamron 28-75 he bought
1/12/07 he sells the 1D
1/14/07 he picks up his 12th 24-70

as for the body, i am betting that he will pick up a 30D with either a bigma or a 300 f4IS.


i am so winning this bet!!!!

[Lightstream]

i am so winning this bet!!!!


GO SNIR!! :mrgreen:

You know, I can't help but wonder.. I am sure nobody really means any ill will or any genuine sarcasm and neither do I, but it seems ludicrous to change gear so often. Didn't the 1DM2N JUST GET HERE? Don't you take a hit, no matter how small, turning gear around so fast? Unless you have a tremendously forgiving resale market that will pay full market price for what is already a used unit.


I have at least a 4-5 month turnaround in between gear and it is largely settling down now. My standard zooms and UW have been settled, now I am just working out the tele end but it is largely settled already.

You have an exceptionally versatile camera there. Make use of it. When all I could afford was the 350D and 17-85, I squeezed a heck of a lot more out of than I ever thought it was capable of doing... so it's entirely possible....

Sorry if I don't seem to understand, I am a peon of very dim wit, but it's just that your case seems to be quite an unusual one that I have not witnessed anywhere else....

[In2Photos]

Perhaps it is time to sell that hunk o' junk Caddy you got Ronnie. Then you could keep all your photo gear and buy more, then sell it and buy more, then sell it and buy more, then sell it and buy more, then sell it and buy more, then sell it and buy more, then sell it and buy more, then sell it and buy more, then sell it and buy more, then sell it and buy more, then sell it and buy more, then sell it and buy more, then sell it and buy more, then sell it and buy more, then sell it and buy more, then sell it and buy more, then sell it and buy more, then sell it and buy more, then sell it and buy more, then sell it and buy more, then sell it and buy more, then sell it and buy more, then sell it and buy more, then sell it and buy more...

[Belmondo]

Perhaps it is time to sell that hunk o' junk Caddy you got Ronnie. Then you could keep all your photo gear and buy more, then sell it and buy more, then sell it and buy more, then sell it and buy more, then sell it and buy more, then sell it and buy more, then sell it and buy more, then sell it and buy more, then sell it and buy more, then sell it and buy more, then sell it and buy more, then sell it and buy more, then sell it and buy more, then sell it and buy more, then sell it and buy more, then sell it and buy more, then sell it and buy more, then sell it and buy more, then sell it and buy more, then sell it and buy more, then sell it and buy more, then sell it and buy more, then sell it and buy more, then sell it and buy more...

Ronald is passionate about few things, but his Cadillac?

Sacred.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

No sarcasm ... I think it's a boredom induced dream that will end up as just another 'hobby' purchase. Anyway, no one makes money taking photo's. They make money selling photo's. Ask Dante how he makes money in that Diner of his. Anyway, I thought you were going to shoot naked girls somewhere in the Caribbean.

I figure it can't hurt. I won't be putting a cent into the venture, so why not, right? If it might be a chance to make money, why not try?

i am so winning this bet!!!!

You might, rabbit..you might. No L, though. I doubt it'll be in the budget.

it seems ludicrous to change gear so often. Didn't the 1DM2N JUST GET HERE? Don't you take a hit, no matter how small, turning gear around so fast? Unless you have a tremendously forgiving resale market that will pay full market price for what is already a used unit.

The thing is, I don't need any of it, so why not have some fun? You'd be surprised. The 1DMkIIN and extra battery is worth more than what I paid, no worries.

Ronald is passionate about few things, but his Cadillac?

Sacred.


Truly, Tom. The car will never go.





Oh, and if anyone wants an N in new condition with an extra Canon battery, you know...make an offer. ;-)

[Belmondo]

I figure it can't hurt. I won't be putting a cent into the venture, so why not, right? If it might be a chance to make money, why not try?



You might, rabbit..you might. No L, though. I doubt it'll be in the budget.



The thing is, I don't need any of it, so why not have some fun? You'd be surprised. The 1DMkIIN and extra battery is worth more than what I paid, no worries.




Truly, Tom. The car will never go.





Oh, and if anyone wants an N in new condition with an extra Canon battery, you know...make an offer. ;-)

I have a 24-70L I'd be willing to part with. How much extra would you want?

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Very funny, Tom. :rolleyes:

[Belmondo]

Very funny, Tom. :rolleyes:I wasn't joking. I have a 24-70L and a 24-105L. I can't use them both at the same time now, can I? (unless I learn to juggle)

[Woolburr]

Oh, and if anyone wants an N in new condition with an extra Canon battery, you know...make an offer. ;-)

I'll be in NY sometime next Friday...perhaps we can work out a deal....and I can win the bet too.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

I'm honestly not too keen on the 24-70 at this time..as I said, it's not in the budget, really. Dan, if you wanna meet up somewhere so you can check it out and you wanna bring some moolah with ya, I'd work something out. I'd prefer paypal, though, as I can buy the things I need much easier without having to access the business accounts and upping the taxable income.

Coincidentally, if someone has a huge alienbee setup they want to trade toward the N, let me know.

Tom, if you're truly interested, just make an offer, with and/or without the lens.

To be honest, I was thinking with the condition of it and the virtually unused extra Canon NP-E3, that $3200 all in wouldn't be too horrible. That way I'd mostly get my money back for my four day old camera. :rolleyes:

[Permagrin]

D^%@! I thought I was being quick by saying the 5th....Dante's really a cunning old fellow by saying if the deal was done before the first of the year, all bets are off! :lol:

[Dante King]

To be honest, I was thinking with the condition of it and the virtually unused extra Canon NP-E3, that $3200 all in wouldn't be too horrible. That way I'd mostly get my money back for my four day old camera. :rolleyes:

OMG! LOL. you are going to trade your gear to the point of being stuck with a digital rebel (300D) and opteka 10-100 f/11.2 high quality zoom. Ronnie, If you dont take the studio space, let me know, I am always looking for ventures- ESPECIALLY one where the landlord gives free rent.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

It won't be free..I have to generously cut him in on the profits. Such is life.

I'm not gonna have much gear, Dante, no. However, I'll have a studio, and that's more important to me. I want to get my name out there.

[Dante King]

Still, if you make squat, he makes squat. That is a deal I will take any time. SO.... Hey you want to trade that N for a set of novatron 500ws mono blocks. 2 strobes, 2 brollies, 2 lightstands, sync cord and travel case. This is heavy duty pro stuff.

[Permagrin]

Still, if you make squat, he makes squat. That is a deal I will take any time. SO.... Hey you want to trade that N for a set of novatron 500ws mono blocks. 2 strobes, 2 brollies, 2 lightstands, sync cord and travel case. This is heavy duty pro stuff.

somehow I think you are trying to influence the outcome of the bet here big D....(while I realize that being a bookmaker isn't the most honorable of professions...this is a little rotten!) :lol: :lol:

[Dante King]

somehow I think you are trying to influence the outcome of the bet here big D....(while I realize that being a bookmaker isn't the most honorable of professions...this is a little rotten!) :lol: :lol:

who me? Nawwww.... just trying to help a friend.

[Dante King]

in fact Ronald, I have a 3rd monoblock, manfrotto back drop system that I would include as part of the deal.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

What does a "back drop system" consist of?

Oh, and if you're saying the N straight traded for the studio stuff, that's never gonna fly. I do need a camera, after all.

[In2Photos]

I'll tell ya what. If I do anything with this body, it'll depend on one thing.

The guy that owns the Opera House made me a bit of an offer. In January or so, he's going to change his second floor (currently dressing rooms and such for the actors) into a gallery for art shows and the like. Since the main floor will be essentially empty, he said I'm welcome to setup a semi-permanent studio up there, and simply cut him in for a portion of the proceeds and basically be "cost-free". Sounds pretty fantastic, I think. However, I have no lighting whatsoever. So, I just put together what I'd need on the AB website, and it rings in at around 1200 bucks. Ouch. Know what that means? It means if I want to do this, and don't come up with cash elsewhere, I'm gonna be selling my just gotten N and getting probably a 30D (maybe a pair of them) and getting the lighting. I don't want to do that, but gosh...it could result in some crazy money making opportunities.

Basically, here's the list I put together:

3 AB800's
two 10' stands
a backlight stand
a medium softbox
two silver/white 48" umbrellas
a medium softbox
a wired 4-channel remote

..anything else?

So, I'm not thrilled at the thought of losing this amazing camera, but I may temporarily have to do that, BUT NOT UNTIL EARLY NEXT YEAR. :shock:

He just threw this all on me today, and I don't even know if it's something I'll go for.

What do any of you guys think, without being sarcastic?

It won't be free..I have to generously cut him in on the profits. Such is life.

I'm not gonna have much gear, Dante, no. However, I'll have a studio, and that's more important to me. I want to get my name out there.
Ron, why not start out with just one light and a reflector or 2 lights (I thought you already bought one anyway) or use your speedlites rather than get rid of all your gear? I seriously don't understand your thought process of "gear trading" but whatever floats your boat.:rolleyes:

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Ron, why not start out with just one light and a reflector or 2 lights (I thought you already bought one anyway) or use your speedlites rather than get rid of all your gear? I seriously don't understand your thought process of "gear trading" but whatever floats your boat.:rolleyes:

I sold the B400 I had, as I found out shortly that I needed more than one light, and couldn't afford lights plus the other things I wanted. Now lights are the priority over the overkill gear that I honestly don't need (the N, specifically). I'd honestly rather not mess with reflectors and such, and just have what I need and have it last. Unless someone comes up with a better offer, here's my final decision on what my "ultimate" lighting might be:

2B400's
2B800's
giant softbox
two silver/white 48" umbrellas
one 48" shoot thru
one 32" silver/white
background reflector
three 10' lightstands
backlight stand
four channel remote
three extra flashtubes

Total is just about $1500.

Any other suggestions/alternatives, etc?

[In2Photos]

Don't you need a receiver to go with the remote?

[Ronald S. Jr.]

no it's the wired one, and comes with cords and dummy plugs. I don't think I want to mess with pocketwizard type transmitters and such, as I'm trying to go "batteryless"

[In2Photos]

no it's the wired one, and comes with cords and dummy plugs. I don't think I want to mess with pocketwizard type transmitters and such, as I'm trying to go "batteryless"
Then why even bother? Why not use one PC cord to fire one strobe and set the others to fire optically?

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Oh..didn't know they did that. Sounds good. :eek: Shows how much I know. :p

[In2Photos]

Oh..didn't know they did that. Sounds good. :eek: Shows how much I know. :p
You're welcome. That will be 50 bucks.;)

[Ronald S. Jr.]

How do they do that, anyway? I never saw any type of sensor or receiver on mine. Where is it?

[In2Photos]

How do they do that, anyway? I never saw any type of sensor or receiver on mine. Where is it?
Don't know exactly but from their site:

Don’t be bothered with excessive wiring.
The B400 has a built-in slave tripper, disconnected by plugging in the sync cord, to allow wireless firing where the unit will fire whenever it “sees” a flash from another source. It will automatically dump the excess power, removing the excess charge when the flashpower is adjusted from a higher to a lower setting.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

I want to make a note here. For those interested in my N. If you buy it today (by 5pm eastern), not only will I include the extra battery, but I'll ship 2nd day immediately (you'll have it friday, god willing) and include a 2GB Ultra II SD card. This deal is only for today.

Thank you. :eek:

[calicokat]

I want to get my name out there.

Your name is sure out there :eek:

[condyk]

Should be some lighting bargains to be had in 6-8 weeks time y'all.

Stick to the naked girl shooting Rondo :D (not literally of course as that could be an arrestable offence!) Part of me does really want you to prove me wrong tho'.

[In2Photos]

Should be some lighting bargains to be had in 6-8 weeks time y'all.


Great. Just in case I don't get my ABs for Christmas I could get them for my birthday.:D

[grego]

I wasn't joking. I have a 24-70L and a 24-105L. I can't use them both at the same time now, can I? (unless I learn to juggle)

And then if you could juggle while getting a photo of it, I'd salute you!

[blonde]

i really don't know if i should laugh or cry at this point. it is not the fact that you keep selling gear that bothers me, it is the fact that you change your mind and opinion every time you post.

so lets see: you owned the MkII for what, 2 weeks?
you owned the 400 f5.6L for maybe a week?


everytime you bought something, you said that you need it for something (the 400 prime was for herons IIRC and the 1DmkIIn for the FPS which i still don't understand why you would need 8fps in a play).

oh well, as long as i am winning the bet :)

btw, is there a reason why you are going with such a huge light setup? we have tons of people in the glamor forum that only shoot with 1-2 speedlights or maybe 2 monoblocks and they get killer results (of course they have been doing it for a while but still)

[Ronald S. Jr.]

I just don't ever want to be short on what I need..I figure too much is better than not enough. I could go with just 3 lights, save a few hundred bucks. I just figure it's easier to have plenty and make it work rather than having enough to just "get by" and have to be good to make it work. I'm no Dwight McCann. I've never really done portraiture. I do want to do it, though. Speaking of which, since there aren't any places that give classes around here, anyone know of a good book or DVD on studio lighting and portraiture?

As to not owning things long, it all has a reason. The 400 I bought to get those herons, but it wasn't nearly long enough. So, I sold it. Returned it actually, I think. The MkII disappointed me..it wasn't what I'd cracked it up to be. The N is just plain lovely, and while it has more noise than the 5D, it's tolerable noise. Like I said, more white specks than color noise, from what I've seen. I like that.

[blonde]

As to not owning things long, it all has a reason. The 400 I bought to get those herons, but it wasn't nearly long enough. So, I sold it. Returned it actually, I think. The MkII disappointed me..it wasn't what I'd cracked it up to be. The N is just plain lovely, and while it has more noise than the 5D, it's tolerable noise. Like I said, more white specks than color noise, from what I've seen. I like that.


see, this post just proves what i am trying to say. how can you get better if you don't even try. seriously man, finding herons is like finding a dunkin donuts, all you have to do is drive 2 blocks. you went to one spot, the lens was too short and you gave up. what about looking for different places that will allow you to get closer instead of just selling the lens and giving up? what are you going to do if the model is just not photogenic? are you going to sell the lights and move on to landscapes?

as for the mkII not being what it is cracked up to be, you are just talking nonsense now. i am sorry but if so many pros (as well as serious amatures ) are using this body to sell images and get published, how exactly is it not good? did you even try to learn using it? it took me almost a month to really get the hang of it and now i will say it without blinking: the body is just perfect. i use it for portraits, landscapes, wildlife and everything in between and it has never failed me.

[grego]

I still don't get how the MKII can't perform while the N can. There no no differences in the processor. That's like saying I see a difference in the 20D and 30D.

I'd either chalk that up to user error(but that is very unlikely in your case) or camera(which is more likely). I'm curious what the new owner of that MKII feels about the camera, to be honest.

[blonde]

i think that it is more likely user error considering the limited time he owned it. we all know that a 1 series body takes some getting used to and the mkII was even worse because it needed a bit more sharpening in pp and it is also very important to expose right to minimize noise. i think that if he kept the camera for more than a few weeks, he would have been singing a different tune.

[grego]

For a week?! Ooh, okay, i thought it was a little bit longer than that. Then i'd tend to side more with user error in that case.

[calicokat]

i think that it is more likely user error considering the limited time he owned it. we all know that a 1 series body takes some getting used to and the mkII was even worse because it needed a bit more sharpening in pp and it is also very important to expose right to minimize noise. i think that if he kept the camera for more than a few weeks, he would have been singing a different tune.

Careful, do not offend Ronald :eek:

[Ronald S. Jr.]

see, this post just proves what i am trying to say. how can you get better if you don't even try. seriously man, finding herons is like finding a dunkin donuts, all you have to do is drive 2 blocks. you went to one spot, the lens was too short and you gave up. what about looking for different places that will allow you to get closer instead of just selling the lens and giving up? what are you going to do if the model is just not photogenic? are you going to sell the lights and move on to landscapes?

as for the mkII not being what it is cracked up to be, you are just talking nonsense now. i am sorry but if so many pros (as well as serious amatures ) are using this body to sell images and get published, how exactly is it not good? did you even try to learn using it? it took me almost a month to really get the hang of it and now i will say it without blinking: the body is just perfect. i use it for portraits, landscapes, wildlife and everything in between and it has never failed me.


Snir, the MkII was a fine camera. If you read what I wrote again, I said it wasn't everything I cracked it up to be. As for the herons, I found that I just don't have that kind of time to walk around looking for things like that. I don't have time for birding or wildlife shooting. It's unfortunate, but true. No, the 1DMkII is a great camera, and extremely capable. I never said it wasn't good..it just wasn't as good as I expected. The way people talked about it, I expected the "World" so to speak. For the most part, it's as good as the N. The N does have its upgrades, though.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

For a week?! Ooh, okay, i thought it was a little bit longer than that. Then i'd tend to side more with user error in that case.

Not a week, a few weeks. Gosh you guys really skim over the words. :rolleyes: I wasn't some retarded newbie..I know how to use a camera. The 1-series isn't exactly an enigma.

[calicokat]

And the 1DsMII is a waste of money :lol:

[grego]

Not a week, a few weeks. Gosh you guys really skim over the words. :rolleyes: I wasn't some retarded newbie..I know how to use a camera. The 1-series isn't exactly an enigma.

No it's not. But still has a learning curve. Just because you know how to use a camera does not mean each camera will exactly comply completely the same.

Before I used the 1DMKII, i've used just about every Nikon, some FD mount Canon's, EOS 3, many of the digital EOS Canon bodies. Still there was some learning curve.

But then, if you got it all right in your weeks, i feel bad for the guy who then recieved a subpar MKII.

Upgrades on the N are very very small. There was a bigger upgrade on the 30D compared to the 20D than the MKII to the MKIIn.

[calicokat]

and just because you can operate a camera does not mean you know how to use it to its full potential, thats why most people who use 1 series can never go back to the prosumer camera's.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

And the 1DsMII is a waste of money :lol:

To me, it certainly is. It's about $2500-3000 too expensive to make sense to me.

Have all the fun you want at my expense..you're certainly entitled. However, I'm not dumb. I know what I said and what I didn't. Why be like that and mix it up trying to make me look like an idiot? You should pay your fellow man a certain amount of respect. Rudeness is not an endearing quality.

[calicokat]

To me, it certainly is. It's about $2500-3000 too expensive to make sense to me.

Case closed, you have no idea what your talking about :lol:

[blonde]

No it's not. But still has a learning curve. Just because you know how to use a camera does not mean each camera will exactly comply completely the same.

Before I used the 1DMKII, i've used just about every Nikon, some FD mount Canon's, EOS 3, many of the digital EOS Canon bodies. Still there was some learning curve.

But then, if you got it all right in your weeks, i feel bad for the guy who then recieved a subpar MKII.

Upgrades on the N are very very small. There was a bigger upgrade on the 30D compared to the 20D than the MKII to the MKIIn.


exactly. i have been shooting birds and wildlife for a year now and i am willing to bet that if you give me the 600mm f4IS prime, i won't be able to take a good shot with it for at least a few weeks. it takes time to learn things. the 600 is a lens just like the 70-200 but it is very different weight, focus speed, technique needed etc..

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Case closed, you have no idea what your talking about :lol:

That's exactly what I'm talking about. What's wrong with you that you have to tease me nonstop? I don't like it, you're not kidding, and it's not "just messing around". It's rude, it's mean, and it's most certainly not welcome. Jesus, man. Not cool.

[blonde]

As for the herons, I found that I just don't have that kind of time to walk around looking for things like that. I don't have time for birding or wildlife shooting.

are you planning to use the sigmonster or the 500 prime for portraits? it is in your wishlist so i guess that you do need it for something... if you do plaan on using it in the studio, you are a brave man just make sure not to give the model a heart attack when you point that huge canon element at her....

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Notice they're on my wishlist. I'm not buying one. :rolleyes:

[calicokat]

That's exactly what I'm talking about. What's wrong with you that you have to tease me nonstop? I don't like it, you're not kidding, and it's not "just messing around". It's rude, it's mean, and it's most certainly not welcome. Jesus, man. Not cool.

You are extremely opinionated about gear, its just funny to read your comments on gear.

And sorry to offend or tease you, I will stop

[blonde]

i did notice that which is why i said "they are on your wish list". i was just wondering why a person who has no interest in wildlife or birding wishes for a sigmonster....

btw, if you feel that i am being rude, let me know. i am just having a conversation but if i cross the line, i will stop.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

You're not, Snir. You just misread something, I guess.

It's not that I have no interest in wildlife or birding; I love it. I just don't have enough time for it at the present.

[blonde]

well in that case, i highly recommend it and i hope to see you around the bird forum :)

[PetKal]

I still don't get how the MKII can't perform while the N can. There no no differences in the processor. That's like saying I see a difference in the 20D and 30D.



I would agree with that although there were some rumblings on the Sportshooter forum a few months back about Canon tweaking the AF on the "N" so as to improve its performance. However, since I have not owned a MkII before, I certainly can not comment on that one.

Another issue is related to getting used to the MkIIN, after using 20D, dRebel etc...It has taken me probably 2-3 months of practically daily use until I had reached the point of sort of "instinctive" camera operation. The challenge is related mostly to using its exposure modes and AF to their full potential. (Some of its controls and interfaces still disagree with me, but there does not seem to be much help there.)

Yeah, I still think 1MkII and 1DMkII N are very capable fast action cameras.
If that's your game, I'd recommend buying a brand new 1DMkII N while you can because their prices have reached a relatively palatable level: e.g. $3,375 at B&H. It stands to reason that in a couple of months that price may drop even further.

[SuzyView]

If you are serious about the studio, you need a real plan. Customers don't like their photographers being there one day and not having a place to seek more business or printing more shots. It's a matter of having the right set up as well as a proper business plan. Consult with some small business owners as well, Ronald. That's what I did and that's why I'm not quite ready to go pro yet. It's a big commitment. And unlike how you've been having fun with equipment, buying and selling, having a business means keeping books, having proper insurance, licensing, etc. I hope you are prepared for the busywork other than the fun stuff.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

The owner of the place is the one with the licenses, etc. He has them already. I'll simply be a technical employee. My gear will soon be on my mother's insurance. As for small business owners, that's all Waverly is, is small business. I have plenty of people I can talk to. I'll be fine, Suzy. Thanks for caring and being considerate. Much appreciated. :-)

[SuzyView]

I wasn't going to say this, but I will. Getting you out of the house and moving forward is a good thing, Ronald. Maybe you can have an interesting life to chat about after this flies. :)

[Belmondo]

My 1DMk2 is set for continuous numbering, and shows Folder 100, File 1951. That sure sounds like a lot to me. Do you all think I should dump it and buy Ronald's Mk2N? My Mk2 looks like new, but all those shutter actuations.....:confused::rolleyes: I should probably unload it before it dies.

[calicokat]

1951 for Belmondo

[blonde]

My 1DMk2 is set for continuous numbering, and shows Folder 100, File 1951. That sure sounds like a lot to me. Do you all think I should dump it and buy Ronald's Mk2N? My Mk2 looks like new, but all those shutter actuations.....:confused::rolleyes: I should probably unload it before it dies.


you should go for it Tom. not only can you get a lower shutter count but you will also get a camera that is 100 times better than the one you have right now. the upgrades to the N model were substantial and the difference is quite clear. you can now have bigger buffer , bigger screen, pics style etc.. all are critical for any serious shooting..

[Belmondo]

Would that be 101,951 clicks? My sweet jesus...how long you had that? Is that (obviously) your most used body, then?


Remember, Tom...the 2-day shipping and 2gig SD are only good until midnight. :lol:


Wait wait...mine says 100 7069. It only has 7069, though. Wouldn't yours only have 1,951?

Glad to see you haven't lost your religion, Ronald. Actually, that's the shot count on my Super 10D (1DsMk2). The 1Dmk2 has almost 6100 shutter actuation.

Either way, the fact remains. I'm not taking enough pictures.

[PetKal]

My 1DMk2 is set for continuous numbering, and shows Folder 100, File 1951. That sure sounds like a lot to me. Do you all think I should dump it and buy Ronald's Mk2N? My Mk2 looks like new, but all those shutter actuations.....:confused::rolleyes: I should probably unload it before it dies.

On the EXIF reader file, there are two numbers that matter: number of actuations and number of resets....each reset takes place around 65,000 clicks, if I remember right. If one does not take the number of resets into account, one is kinda in a position of buying a car with the odometer spun back.:lol:
For example if EXIF reset number is "2" and EXIF number of actuations is 10,000, that camera has been clicked about 140,000 times.
Additionally, some servicing of the 1 series cameras by Canon involves a complete reset of the shutter operations count.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Well, Tom, you obviously don't need my camera, then. You've got enough to keep you busy.

[calicokat]

Everytime I get to 9999, I manually reset it back to 100-0001 and keep a log of how many times I have hit 10,000, not dead on accurate, but close

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Additionally, some servicing of the 1 series cameras by Canon involves a complete reset of the shutter operations count.


They probably figure you won't care, since you can get the count from CanCount, eh?

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Just to be a good guy, I'm gonna give those viewing this thread first stab at my N. If no one wants it by tomorrow morning (posted or PMed), I'm gonna post it up for sale. Anyone remember me saying I had senior pictures to do? Well the girl I did them for loved hers, and a few of her friends want theirs done, too now. My 580 isn't cutting it, and I'd like to get a minimal bees setup so I can do them week after next.

Just a friendly warning, that's all.

[Woolburr]

Swap you a 20D w/grip and a brick for your mk2n.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

You, sir, are on crack. :eek: maybe with say an extra $1400. ;-)

[Woolburr]

Ronnie my boy....I have in my hot little hands....the "BRICK"....the one...the only...the original....and we know just how sharp it is...and how special it is...:p

[Permagrin]

Ronnie my boy....I have in my hot little hands....the "BRICK"....the one...the only...the original....and we know just how sharp it is...and how special it is...:p

:lol: "a hit, a hit, a palpable hit" :lol:

[Ronald S. Jr.]

:rolleyes: Honestly, I couldn't accept the brick. I'd end up selling it anyway, because like I said, I can't afford to keep one at the moment. That'd hurt way more than having you keep it. At least then I have a chance of owning it again someday. :p Come on, Dan. Cough up the cash. You know you want it! How's this, Dan. Just for you: 1DMkIIN, perfect condition, extra battery, and 2gig card- $3100 shipped. Come on...hundred bucks off! :lol:

[Woolburr]

I'm thinking I need to pass on this one...I will probably upgrade my Ds before I spring for another mk2n.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Alrighty. Thanks for playing. :-)

[cjm]

Who picked today? http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=251107

[Ronald S. Jr.]

I did. ;-)

[blonde]

nobody i think. even we couldn't imagine him selling it 4 days after he got it. i do think that this is a new record...

[Ronald S. Jr.]

6-ish days, really. I got it Saturday, around lunch time.

[Permagrin]

technically Ron is voiding us all, by making this move before the end of the year...sigh.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Hey, I would have liked to have held out for at least a while but the guy sprung this idea on me just yesterday. Too good to pass up. It's something I really want to do..more so than spending time alone at home with a 1-series. :rolleyes:

[cjm]

This has blown me away. Ron, buddy, take this as good advice. Pick your gear and stick with it. That is if you are not willing to put any "NEW" money into it. Because eventually (probably already) you will have lost so so much on Shipping these items to you that you could probably afford your 12th 24-70 L lens right now.

Being unemployed for almost a year once I know how touchy the subject is but get some sort of income so you do not feel like you don't deserve your gear. It's an absolute terrible thing to keep doing this to yourself, its bad on your self esteem and bad on your heart and stress level. Even if you don't think so.

When I was once short on money, I sold almost everything I had, rebought it with the money I sold it for, sold it, bought it, etc just like you but it was my collection I built up for years and I just could not let go.

Could be that the reason you keep selling your gear is because you are more into the hunt of finding a camera or lens and trying it out more then actually using it for photography? You would certainly not be the first photographer who really isn't crazy about it.

Anyways, best of luck with the new gear you'll be buying soon. One extra word of advice, Don't blow your 1DMKIIN money on nothing but lighting or you will most likely take a huge loss when you resell it. Its harder to sell then a lens or camera guaranteed.

[cjm]

Hey, I would have liked to have held out for at least a while but the guy sprung this idea on me just yesterday. Too good to pass up. It's something I really want to do..more so than spending time alone at home with a 1-series. :rolleyes:Is this idea legit and in writing? What if he passes on you and goes with someone more "professional"? You are putting a lot of faith into what this guy told you.

The only one I could sell my gear for on his word alone is if Jesus Christ came down to me, in person and told me to sell my gear. Even then I would have a hard time I think.

I really hope this works out for you.

[blonde]

new bet:

do you think that Ron will actually go forward with that "business" idea?

i got $20 on NO (are you writing this down Dante?)

i think that just like he gets tired of his gear, he will soon get tired of shooting portraits especially when it becomes a business..

[cjm]

new bet:

do you think that Ron will actually go forward with that "business" idea?

i got $20 on NO (are you writing this down Dante?)

i think that just like he gets tired of his gear, he will soon get tired of shooting portraits especially when it becomes a business..How about a pool for Rons next 1D series camera. Can be any of the 4 (actually 5 but not likely a 1D)? I say the week of March 12th 2007.

[blonde]

This has blown me away. Ron, buddy, take this as good advice. Pick your gear and stick with it. That is if you are not willing to put any "NEW" money into it. Because eventually (probably already) you will have lost so so much on Shipping these items to you that you could probably afford your 12th 24-70 L lens right now.

Being unemployed for almost a year once I know how touchy the subject is but get some sort of income so you do not feel like you don't deserve your gear. It's an absolute terrible thing to keep doing this to yourself, its bad on your self esteem and bad on your heart and stress level. Even if you don't think so.

When I was once short on money, I sold almost everything I had, rebought it with the money I sold it for, sold it, bought it, etc just like you but it was my collection I built up for years and I just could not let go.

Could be that the reason you keep selling your gear is because you are more into the hunt of finding a camera or lens and trying it out more then actually using it for photography? You would certainly not be the first photographer who really isn't crazy about it.

Anyways, best of luck with the new gear you'll be buying soon. One extra word of advice, Don't blow your 1DMKIIN money on nothing but lighting or you will most likely take a huge loss when you resell it. Its harder to sell then a lens or camera guaranteed.

solid advice. Ron, i think that you should take a long hard look before you go ahead with the deal. i know many people who really enjoyed photography but only as a hobby. after they started shooting pro, they really regreted it not to mention hated the business side of it. if you want to shoot for the local play house than that is great. however, you are in fact putting alot of faith into it and already going out and buying the gear before you even have a gig...

[blonde]

How about a pool for Rons next 1D series camera. Can be any of the 4 (actually 5 but not likely a 1D)? I say the week of March 12th 2007.

i will put $10 on a 1DmkIIn on 21/02/07

[Ronald S. Jr.]

I'm not buying everything until he says I can move my stuff in. He's not doing it for himself, he's doing it for me. He's a close friend of my mother. He wants to help me out. He's got the space, and I've got the talent. I'm just buying the 30D now, and keeping the money for lighting and such until I need it. Like I said, though, I don't depend on my photography. It's a hobby that I just happen to be able to make money from, here and there. I like it that way.

[Belmondo]

As long as we're all dispensing unsolicited advice to our young friend, I might as well add my own two cents.

Ronald, we love you dearly. (Damn, I wasn't going to say that.:evil:) If we didn't care about you, we wouldn't be making these suggestions.

Having said that, you really have to think about how you're going to feel about photography when it becomes obligatory---when you have to be in the studio at times you'd rather not be there, when you're taking pictures of people you don't particularly like, and sitting up half the night doing post-processing and not trading zingers with your POTN friends. A lot of people have screwed up a really great hobby my making it their job. Make sure you're not doing that to yourself. If the only reason you want to be a professional is to own professional gear, it's probably not worth it.

[blonde]

As long as we're all dispensing unsolicited advice to our young friend, I might as well add my own two cents.

Ronald, we love you dearly. (Damn, I wasn't going to say that.:evil:) If we didn't care about you, we wouldn't be making these suggestions.

Having said that, you really have to think about how you're going to feel about photography when it becomes obligatory---when you have to be in the studio at times you'd rather not be there, when you're taking pictures of people you don't particularly like, and sitting up half the night doing post-processing and not trading zingers with your POTN friends. A lot of people have screwed up a really great hobby my making it their job. Make sure you're not doing that to yourself. If the only reason you want to be a professional is to own professional gear, it's probably not worth it.ֿ

do you think this advice is going to be too logng for my signeture? :)

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Nah...I'm not in this hobby to "own professional gear". I wanted to try it out, sure, and I have. As a matter of fact, I'd be a professional, so to speak, that doesn't own professional gear. A 30D and alienbees is hardly what the "uppity ups" would call professional. It works, though, and that's what matters. I can have a 5D or N with L glass, sure. I could keep all that and just do it as a hobby. I wanna try it out, though. No harm done to me. If I don't like it, I'll quit it. See, I won't be in a lease or anything, which is nice. I can get out anytime I want. If I don't like it, pft...I don't have to do it! :-)

I know what you're saying, Tom. I don't know how I'll feel about having to take pictures for a living. I think I'll really like seeing the results, especially while I'm learning. I like to see my skills progress. I also get a really good feeling when I take pictures for someone and they're happy with them. I think it's nice knowing that I gave them those memories, you know? When I look at any picture I've taken, I just like being able to say "wow..I just captured that moment forever". I love hearing people say how they like what I've done for them. Makes me feel like a good person.

[calicokat]

I say keep the 1DMIIN and go from there, you have owned every other camera and sold them, what makes you think your going to like the 30D, and this business deal sounds odd to say the least. Protect yourself

[joegolf68]

Ron,

I've read your posts and what folks have to say about you, you are a good guy. I'm sad you are selling your camera. I almost thought of making the switch with you, but I can't justify the better camera until I have at least SOME skill. I wish you the best guy. Please don't rush into anything too quickly. I don't know you, so maybe I am way out of line, but this seems so sudden, so startling, and risky to lay with something you love so much (photography) and I just hope for your sake it really works out well. May I also suggest that next time you rent? My best to you.

Your new buddy and admirer.

Joe

[joegolf68]

solid advice. Ron, i think that you should take a long hard look before you go ahead with the deal. i know many people who really enjoyed photography but only as a hobby. after they started shooting pro, they really regreted it not to mention hated the business side of it. if you want to shoot for the local play house than that is great. however, you are in fact putting alot of faith into it and already going out and buying the gear before you even have a gig...

Ditto's. After reading the whole thread, I have to say the same thing. There are too many "friends" let alone friends of friends, who have good intentions and then things turn sour. My wife watches every one of those court TV case junk programs, they are full of deals that go bad. Be VERY cautious. I know, I know, it couldn't happen to you, and I am wasting my breath, or typing, but it does happen all the time. Be careful!!!!!!!! I will say you have guts and you are a gambler. Ever consider professional poker?

[condyk]

Good luck big lad ... better be an ass who pursues his dreams than a genius who sits on his ass (I made that up and no offence!) ;-)

[Dante King]

new bet:

do you think that Ron will actually go forward with that "business" idea?

i got $20 on NO (are you writing this down Dante?)

i think that just like he gets tired of his gear, he will soon get tired of shooting portraits especially when it becomes a business..

noted and logged Snir.

Ron, I hope that if you do this venture that you stick with it longer than you have had any piece of gear. its pretty easy to live at home under mom's wing and let things flow like the tide, but there is not much growing when nothing is ventured and nothing is risked. Growth can be painful.

You get pissed at people for tossing your words right back at you as carelessly as you tossed them out the first time. Then you get all pissy when you hear them again. I think most, as I do,find it humorous when you try to defend your silly statements. Think you would be better of ribbing wise, to not try to justify your rationale. Who is really to blame for your discomfort in this situation? Calico, Blonde others? I think it's you.

Go make something. Build it with your own talents. Take a chance. I for one am pulling for you!

[calicokat]

noted and logged Snir.

Ron, I hope that if you do this venture that you stick with it longer than you have had any piece of gear. its pretty easy to live at home under mom's wing and let things flow like the tide, but there is not much growing when nothing is ventured and nothing is risked. Growth can be painful.

You get pissed at people for tossing your words right back at you as carelessly as you tossed them out the first time. Then you get all pissy when you hear them again. I think most, as I do,find it humorous when you try to defend your silly statements. Think you would be better of ribbing wise, to not try to justify your rationale. Who is really to blame for your discomfort in this situation? Calico, Blonde others? I think it's you.

Go make something. Build it with your own talents. Take a chance. I for one am pulling for you!

I want the lighting when he sells it, don't discourage him

[Woolburr]

Guys...go easy on him...I am going to dangle the brick in front of him again...live and in person...see if I can't get him interested.

[calicokat]

Guys...go easy on him...I am going to dangle the brick in front of him again...live and in person...see if I can't get him interested.

I am going to encourage this, I need discounted studio lighting ;)

[Dante King]

wanna buy some calico? I might be willing to part with a serious novatron light kit. its 2 monoblocks 500m, 2 stands, 2 brollies, sync cord for 1K. once of these lights goes for $611. 500 WS of sheer blinding power http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?ci=1&sb=ps&pn=1&sq=desc&InitialSearch=yes&O=productlist.jsp&A=search&Q=*&bhs=t&shs=novatron+500&image.x=0&image.y=0

will trade for your 16-35.

[calicokat]

wanna buy some calico? I might be willing to part with a serious novatron light kit. its 2 monoblocks 500m, 2 stands, 2 brollies, sync cord for 1K. once of these lights goes for $611. 500 WS of sheer blinding power http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?ci=1&sb=ps&pn=1&sq=desc&InitialSearch=yes&O=productlist.jsp&A=search&Q=*&bhs=t&shs=novatron+500&image.x=0&image.y=0

will trade for your 16-35.

Not right now, its x-mas season, maybe at tax season, and the 16-35L is untouchable :)

[Dante King]

cha!

[Woolburr]

Whoa...the Prince of Primes is trying to zap a zoom? Didn't you get a big enough taste with the 70-200?

[Dante King]

lol. just phishing

[Woolburr]

Something was phishy...no doubt about that.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Well, this thread obviously isn't in my best interest, and it's not helping me any, so I'm out. Thanks for nothin, guys. :-)

To those who were half decent, thanks.

[In2Photos]

Well, this thread obviously isn't in my best interest, and it's not helping me any, so I'm out. Thanks for nothin, guys. :-)

To those who were half decent, thanks.

Ron, you bring it on yourself. If it wasn't warranted why would so many be involved? You want everyone to sugar coat it for you? I don't think that is going to happen. Time to realize that you have take responsibility for your actions.:rolleyes:

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Point is, I never said anything to hurt anyone. I don't recall even picking on anyone. I gave my opinion on a camera, a lens, whatever. Never on a person. I expect the same.

[In2Photos]

Point is, I never said anything to hurt anyone. I don't recall even picking on anyone. I gave my opinion on a camera, a lens, whatever. Never on a person. I expect the same.
Then perhaps you should be a little more specific when you ask things like this:
...
What do any of you guys think, without being sarcastic?

We honestly answered, not sarcasticly.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

and I'm glad you did. I had not singled anyone out, only noted that many people were obviously sarcastic toward/about me through the duration of this thread, and it is much unappreciated.

[Permagrin]

and I'm glad you did. I had not singled anyone out, only noted that many people were obviously sarcastic toward/about me through the duration of this thread, and it is much unappreciated.

It's probably just their way of being funny...I think underneath, there's a boatload of good hearts here that would just like to see you find something that will make you happy...and have a good direction to move in.

[blonde]

and I'm glad you did. I had not singled anyone out, only noted that many people were obviously sarcastic toward/about me through the duration of this thread, and it is much unappreciated.

the fact that you take this thing so seriously is just amazing to me. so a bunch of complete stranagers were sarcastic and made some "funny" comments and you get all hissy about it.

as for why people are like that, i already told you that in the past. you keep justifing your purchases by spewing nonesense about other products and people don't like that unless you can back it up. so far in this thread, you have managed to put down the 1DsmkII, 1DmkII, the tamron that you have etc..

the last thing i thought about is this: if everytime you "upgrade", people give you a hard time and you hate it, why the hell do you keep updating that signeture of yours?? if it was me, i would simply leave the signeture alone and upgarde to my heart content without anybody knowing it. if you do enjoy the attention that the signeture is getting, i guess you really have no reason to complain..

[Dante King]

and I'm glad you did. I had not singled anyone out, only noted that many people were obviously sarcastic toward/about me through the duration of this thread, and it is much unappreciated.

Where is the obvious sarcasm? I see some honest replies to your statements. See some comments on actual, factual events. Are you out or still here?

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Just being honest with the signature, Snir. I think you're right, though. I'm gonna go without for a while.

As for "putting down" those items, I just said they weren't for me, and the cost isn't justified, based on my needs. The Tamron is just simply a poor competitor (I think it's the particular copy) for the L's I've had. I don't expect it to produce gold, but it should be better than it is.

I don't know why I never thought about going without a signature after getting such grief about it. Good idea. ;-)

People are still talking to me, Dante. I'm civil. I reply.

[blonde]

As for "putting down" those items, I just said they weren't for me, and the cost isn't justified, based on my needs.


not in this case you didn't. you straight up talked smack about the 1DsmkII so it really shouldn't come as a surprise to you when people got riled up.

as for the signeture, glad i could help :)

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Nah, I didn't. I said it needs a successor before I'd buy it. The current features, to me, don't warrant the extra. People shouldn't get "riled up" about a camera they don't own (except for two that replied).

[blonde]

It just seems really outdated, and reading Canon's page on it felt like reading about the 10D...it needs a successor. It's getting to the point where it costs way more than its worth. To anyone..I'd think.




if all you did was just said that it is not worth it to you like you did in the beggining of the post, everything would have been fine. you decided to add this line which pretty much says t people "i don't own the camera and don't really know much about it but it is not worth the money".

i think that once you clear things up, it is clear that what you mean is personal and based on your own needs. however, you need to be careful in the distinction between stating a personal opinion and passing info that can be taken as fact.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

I just say things wrong. I think most understood what I meant, though. They're all personal opinions. Most everything I say here is an opinion. No harm meant, no harm done.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

by the way, snir...what the heck? Is your post count going backwards or what? Seems like you post way too much to have such a low count. Weird.

[blonde]

i think we just found your new signature line ;)

[condyk]

Most everything I say here is an opinion. No harm meant, no harm done.

Hmmm ... I dunno, think about all those guys who bought 28-135mm IS's on your rave reviews :evil: :evil: :p

[blonde]

by the way, snir...what the heck? Is your post count going backwards or what? Seems like you post way too much to have such a low count. Weird.

i was wondering about that myself. however, i couldn't care less about the post count because i already have my amazing title which i love. i am a member on another site and it is even worse, i post there daily and i still only have 234 posts... :)

[calicokat]

Well, this thread obviously isn't in my best interest, and it's not helping me any, so I'm out. Thanks for nothin, guys. :-)

To those who were half decent, thanks.

OMG, get over yourself and be an adult, nobody is out to get you or pick on you, if you cannot handle this, good luck out in the real world, because its alot worse

[Permagrin]

i was wondering about that myself. however, i couldn't care less about the post count because i already have my amazing title which i love. i am a member on another site and it is even worse, i post there daily and i still only have 234 posts... :)

Definitely Snir, your title is unforgettable! :) :)

[Belmondo]

Okay. The subject of our fun and games is not enjoying either our attempts at humor or our serious attempts at being helpful. In fact, it seems quite clear that he considers at least some of the content of this thread abusive.

Frankly, I think we should just let it die a natural death now. While it was clearly intended to be fun, the general tone is turning to borderline pettiness and hostility.

Ronald doesn't want us to make jokes about him. That is his right, and we should respect it.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Well I just typed out a huge response and then refreshed the page, but oh well. Basically, I appreciate the help of those that truly try to give it. The "humorous" people here should make jokes about things, not people. Just because I give my opinion on a god forsaken CAMERA doesn't give any one of you the right to make fun of me and my life. If any of you dislike me so much, and the things I say, just leave me alone and don't bother talking to me. You're the last thing I need. You ruin what would be a good time. It's just not right. Some will say "settle down" or "take it easy, geez" or the like. Don't bother. All I've ever done is give my personal opinion. No harm done. I've never made an offensive joke or gesture toward anyone.