PLACE YOUR BETS HERE!!!!!

[Dante King]

Ok, Ronnie got a new camera body. Being the unofficial POTN book maker, it is my duty to let every one know that I am hosting a pool to for when he sells it. Squares are $10 usd and basically unlimited. You must give date (day, month and year plus time for tie possibilities). All bets must be placed by new years Pacific STD time. If sold before then, all bets are off. If interested, place an additional $10 and name the camera body he will buy.

















LOL, this is just good ole Ronnie Busting folks. But if you want to send me $10 PM me. LMFAO. Hope you enjoy your new toy for a spell Ronald!!

[Woolburr]

1/14/2007 11:54am.....back to the 5D. I assume you will take Paypal for this.

[blonde]

alright, here is my bet. he is getting his 1DmkIIn today so i am saying:

1/07/07 he sells that tamron 28-75 he bought
1/12/07 he sells the 1D
1/14/07 he picks up his 12th 24-70

as for the body, i am betting that he will pick up a 30D with either a bigma or a 300 f4IS.

[Permagrin]

1/5/07 - high noon pst.

New camera, 5D again.
Blonde's already got it down right for the whole tamron to canon 24-70 business so I won't repeat it.

[Carzee]

"Ron is a good guy and very popular. This sledging is undeserved. Please try to be more considerate in future."
* a message from VIP Customer Div, Canon USA Inc.

[blonde]

"Ron is a good guy and very popular. This sledging is undeserved. Please try to be more considerate in future."
* a message from VIP Customer Div, Canon USA Inc.


hahah, who said Canon doesn't care about thier customers????

[Dante King]

"Ron is a good guy and very popular. This sledging is undeserved. Please try to be more considerate in future."
* a message from VIP Customer Div, Canon USA Inc.

guess you are not a gambling man eh, Carzee. Oh stop PMing me, I have no idea when ron will move in a new body. Camera body that is... :O

[Carzee]

Well, its a sure thing I agree. Its statistically a "peak" month for Ron. So many holidays, so many catalogues!

[Dante King]

Well, its a sure thing I agree. Its statistically a "peak" month for Ron. So many holidays, so many catalogues!

thanks that was so funny, I just ruined ANOTHER key board by spitting coffee into it.

[Carzee]

Seriously -news maybe a bit slow here in the sticks- what has Ron brought/sold besides what he posted Monday or Tuesday:

"1DMkIIN- $3100
(2) 2GB Ultra II SD- $80
Tamron 28-75 2.8XR Di- $289
85mm f/1.8 w/hood- $375
Extra NP-E3- $125
E1 handstrap- $21
Oakley Thumps for while I'm shooting- $65

Total- Technically, $4055."

So he hasn't updated his gearlist for 48 hours or so and we are clueless really. I wanna be up to the minute before figuring the odds.

[blonde]

wouldn't it be cool if we had a function to be notified by email every time his gear list changes (of course that would mean that we will all need to upgrade our email accounts to at least 10gb of storage..)

[rklepper]

Wow, slow day so far I take it.;) :D

[Lightstream]

A TAMRON? A Canon EF 24-70/2.8 owner downgrades to a TAMRON?

Someone get the medics quick...

Permagrin and I were remarking about the nature of the universe, equilibrium, equality, and Dante's return to the 1DsM2, and yet how despite that, the forum did not quite seem 'right'.

It seems that the Tamron may yield some insight into the nature of this disturbance in the Force..... ;) the only thing more disturbing would be say, his crossgrade to the 24-105 ISL. Or, ME buying a Tamron. Now that would really throw me for a loop.

[In2Photos]

A TAMRON? A Canon EF 24-70/2.8 owner downgrades to a TAMRON?


He has done it before but I would consider it an upgrade.;)

[Ronald S. Jr.]

I'll tell you right now...the Tamron isn't staying. It's just all I can afford at the moment. We'll see how she works, though.

As for the MKIIN, I'm hoping I really like it. Who knows, though. I'm sure I'll be selling it someday...it's just my nature. I think I'm gonna really like it, though. I was excited about getting my 1DMkII back when, and it was alright, but I was very disappointed in the ISO performance...it seemed worse than the 20D/30D, which I thought was surprising. I also disliked going back to that teeny screen. Just didn't feel right. The MKIIN has a lot of the things I've long since wanted in a camera. We'll see how long it "wows" me. This is the body I've wanted all along, so I imagine I'll really like it. I couldn't afford it, though. Look at it this way...there's nothing to move up to. Should be the end of body switching.

The 12th 24-70L will come to me, though. :evil:

[Dante King]

We'll see how long it "wows" me.

Please just dont sell it before the year ends as I will have to refund SOOOOooo much money.

[Jon]

Hey Ron - if you play your cards right, you can be co-owner of Bubba's Cafe, and actually keep that next 24-70 L! If Dante's been overextending himself making book . . .

[Ronald S. Jr.]

So what's the pool up to so far?


I don't want any part of Bubba's, Jon..no worries. I dislike Cali. If someone could just mail me the checks, though, that'd be fine.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Hey, here's an update, and a chance for me to vent. DHL screwed up, and the lady I called said the package is nowhere near New York, and won't be delivered until next week sometime. Mind you, 2-day shipping was used, and it was to be delivered today by 4pm. I'm ultra pi$$ed. :evil:

[Woolburr]

Guess UPS and FedEx don't have a lock on delivery screwups!

[SuzyView]

Just like DHL to mess up our little betting thing. :( Sorry, Ronald. I know you were hoping to play all weekend. As for me, you know I think you're crazy to give up your 24-70 so soon. It would rock on the 1DMKIIN. I've been using my 5D with that lens and all my shots are amazing. I find it my dream set up right now, so not switching for a while.

I can't bet, it's not in my nature, but I assume you will like the new camera, but in a little while, get tired of it and want something new. If Canon brings out something interesting this spring, I see Ronald having a good time trying to get it. The next great adventure. :)

[Dante King]

Sorry ron, a book maker can not let out the bet total or details of specific bets. lets just say, We are getting up there.

[blonde]

good job Dante, even bookies should have rules and standards...

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Just like DHL to mess up our little betting thing. :( Sorry, Ronald. I know you were hoping to play all weekend. As for me, you know I think you're crazy to give up your 24-70 so soon. It would rock on the 1DMKIIN. I've been using my 5D with that lens and all my shots are amazing. I find it my dream set up right now, so not switching for a while.

I can't bet, it's not in my nature, but I assume you will like the new camera, but in a little while, get tired of it and want something new. If Canon brings out something interesting this spring, I see Ronald having a good time trying to get it. The next great adventure. :)

I know it, Suzy. Good news is, the guy that traded with me called up DHL the second I told him, and made a real stink about it (as he should have). They said although they can't pinpoint where the package is, as it's between checkpoints, they'll try and get it delivered tomorrow.

I didn't want to give up my 24-70, but rest assured, I'll have another fairly soon. The combo is heavy as sin, though. I remember it on my 1DMkII. Truly a "task" to lift it to your eye. My mother tried, and pretty much couldn't. I don't mind it much, though. If it gives me the advantages it does, it's worth it. Oddly enough, though, with an E1 on, it couldn't be more comfortable, literally dangling by my fingertips.

I don't see myself getting something else as early as spring, though...N isn't old enough, is it? The 1DsMkII should have a successor in the spring, but I don't think the N will. Either way, it'll be out of my budget, I imagine.

I think I'll do well for a while with this. Other than having to upgrade the 28-75, I'm done for the time being. God I was so anxious to get the N, though. I stood outside from 2-4 (it was to be delivered by 4) with my thin jacket and my thumps on, and just waited for that yellow van.

[PetKal]

At one time I felt there was still some hope for Ronald. When he got the 400 f/5.6, then I thought "good, he'll have to get his butty out of the house now and possibly get himself a bird, hopefully in more ways than one." Well, it was not meant to be.:rolleyes:

Today, it is rather evident that Ronald does not really own most of his listed gear items, whatever that may be from a day to another. Rather, he gives those lenses and cameras a temporary shelter. Caught in a never ending recycling game, the situation appears as some sorta recreational strategy of creative self-inflicted suffering. As a practicioner of such, Ronald transcends Canondyke for sure.

I'd say there is only one possible happy outcome of this photogear merrygoround of Waverly: Ronald gets a job with the B&H Used Department, probably Shipping & Receiving detail.

[blonde]

I think I'll do well for a while with this. Other than having to upgrade the 28-75, I'm done for the time being.

quoted and bolded for future proof. nothing to see here, carry on...

[blonde]

At one time I felt there was still some hope for Ronald. When he got the 400 f/5.6, then I thought "good, he'll have to get his butty out of the house now and possibly get himself a bird, hopefully in more ways than one." Well, it was not meant to be.:rolleyes:



i remember that. he bought it to go shoot the heron's rookery and sold it like a week later. i do agree that some lenses just don't fit your style so that is understandable.

[PetKal]

However, on a very positive note: who knows a good brick from a bad brick better than Ronald ?:cool:

[cjm]

Say it aint so Ronnie Say it aint so.

Didn't you just say to me that you were not comfortable with a camera worth as much as a 1D MKII and now you got a even more expensive one the MKII N? LOL guy you are nuts but I will pay all my credit cards off and buy it from you when you are ready to sell. But please wait until at least March for me to get things in order.

Seriously though guy I hope this Camera lasts you longer then any of your others. DO NOT SELL IT! Keep if for years and absolutely wear it out. If you hold on to it for 30 months, that is like $100 per month. Not bad at all if you look at it long term. Best of luck.

[saravrose]

oh how did I miss this.. truly?.. I got up this morning peeked a look at POTN and then got into some busy housework, went shooting... (pretty, pretty place I live in).. came home. Decided to actually come through with my promise to the boys to bake so a chocolate caramel toffee cake is right now cooling down in my kitchen I decide to visit my friends on POTN and find that we are now betting on when Ron will sell gear he doesn't even have yet?...

I would completely bet but I don't keep good track of Ron's spending.. There were even a few 24-70 L's that I missed completely so i'm just not in a position to determine when he'll sell off his newest body... But, I can always hazard a guess as to what his next camera will be.... I say 5D.. (I would say the next upgraded 5D but he won't keep this one long enough..).. ron the used car salesman of POTN...love ya buddy.. make us all proud!!

sari

[Lightstream]

The 12th 24-70? Uhh.... have I been sleeping too long?

Understand the part about the interim 28-75 though.

[cjm]

Not a 5D. No it will be a Rebel XTi. :lol: (or maybe a Nikon DSX or whatever they call that crapola pro body)

I only hope though it isnt the last one he can "upgrade" to which is the Canon 1Ds MKII because that is something not even I would keep very long if I had one because of how much they cost even used.

[cjm]

The 12th 24-70? Uhh.... have I been sleeping too long?

Understand the part about the interim 28-75 though.Sure that equals about 1 24-70 L every month he has been at POTN. In only like 15 months he's gone from a Rebel XT to a Canon 1D MKII with about 9 other bodies in between.

How do you do it Ronald? I can't swing deals like that even if I wanted to but I sure want a 1D MKII N.

The only thing I do know is they can pry my 20D from my cold dead fingers because for me having that Camera was my dream for so long that I wont ever sell it.

[Lightstream]

The only thing I do know is they can pry my 20D from my cold dead fingers because for me having that Camera was my dream for so long that I wont ever sell it.


Sounds like my 350D and 17-85. You never forget your first SLR.

[blonde]

You never forget your first SLR.

or in Ronny's case, remember your last DSLR :)

thank you, thank you, i am here all week ;)

[Lightstream]

or in Ronny's case, remember your last DSLR :)

thank you, thank you, i am here all week ;)

http://pix.lightrefineries.org/img/crackup.gif

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Not a 5D. No it will be a Rebel XTi. :lol: (or maybe a Nikon DSX or whatever they call that crapola pro body)

I only hope though it isnt the last one he can "upgrade" to which is the Canon 1Ds MKII because that is something not even I would keep very long if I had one because of how much they cost even used.

The 1DsMkII is so totally not worth the money to me. It's a 1DMKII with FF and half the frame rate. I'd pay no more for it than I would the N, and I don't think it's worth any more. It just seems really outdated, and reading Canon's page on it felt like reading about the 10D...it needs a successor. It's getting to the point where it costs way more than its worth. To anyone..I'd think.

As far as I'm concerned, the only thing that'd be an upgrade right now from a MKIIN would be like an HD39 or similar. The 1DsMKII just seems...idk...like a ripoff.

[Lightstream]

Yeah.. I am not that impressed with the 1DsM2 despite having been influenced heavily by my 1D. Still like the 5D. :)

[T.D.]

I'm totally in, Dante!

Given the shipping fiasco, I'm going to say 01/05/07 2:34 pm EST.

Brick #12 will come in January, but alas, will be gone by Valentine's Day. #13 will be here just in time for Easter, however.

[cjm]

Sounds like my 350D and 17-85. You never forget your first SLR.Nah my first SLR was was a Canon Rebel G, the first one. I bought it used for a steal :) only $350 bucks! And it sucked, it had a plastic mount, slower the slow AF and best of all my favorite of Canon cameras big giant Lithium batteries that were hard to find and cost $22 each and were good for like 300 pictures.

The 1DsMkII is so totally not worth the money to me. It's a 1DMKII with FF and half the frame rate. I'd pay no more for it than I would the N, and I don't think it's worth any more. It just seems really outdated, and reading Canon's page on it felt like reading about the 10D...it needs a successor. It's getting to the point where it costs way more than its worth. To anyone..I'd think.

As far as I'm concerned, the only thing that'd be an upgrade right now from a MKIIN would be like an HD39 or similar. The 1DsMKII just seems...idk...like a ripoff.Well don't worry I bet 2007 will see a more affordable 2Ds MKI, with same amount of MP as the 1Ds MKII but everything else as fast as their current fastest dSLR. Then there is always Hasselblad, Mamyia or maybe even Leica for you ;)

Personally if I could afford it, or got stupid one night with Credit Cards I would totally buy either a 1D MKII, 1D MKII N or either 1Ds cameras. But something about spending 1 months pay on a camera does not seem worth it to me.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Don't think I haven't thought about that M8...I just plain straight can't afford that stuff, though. The camera I could squeeze out, but I'd hardly be able to afford a stinkin' lens!

[cjm]

Yeah that is true. I think everyone who has seen those cameras on the back of Pop photo or Shutterbug have at least wondered what it would be like shooting with a Rolls Royce.

Got my B&H Paper catalog and MAN O MAN! The lenses for those things cost as much or more then a high end Canon Camera. Ouch and I aint talking about a 500 or 600mm lens.

[Lightstream]

The pricing on those is outrageous... simply outrageous.

People accuse US of going overboard on the L glass, they ain't seen nuttin' yet...

[Ronald S. Jr.]

No kidding...put the value of every lens in my signature together, and you could probably afford the 21 distagon or the 50 noctilux. maybe the 35, too.

Edit: Forget that...I'd have to sell the N, too, just to afford the 21.

[T.D.]

No kidding...put the value of every lens in my signature together, and you could probably afford the 21 distagon or the 50 noctilux. maybe the 35, too.

Edit: Forget that...I'd have to sell the N, too, just to afford the 21.

Ron, Ron, Ron, you don't even have it yet...and you're already trying to sell it???

:p

J/K!

[Permagrin]

Ron, Ron, Ron, you don't even have it yet...and you're already trying to sell it???

:p

J/K!

He must WAIT until the 5th at noon pst to do that!

[T.D.]

He must WAIT until the 5th at noon pst to do that!

Did you pick the 5th at noon? I think I picked the same day, but 2:34 pm EST, which is 11:34 here!

Too funny! It looks like we'll both be out of luck at this rate!!

[Dante King]

The 1DsMkII ....is so totally not worth the money to me.

Sure would like to see that page ronnie, can you link me?

[joegolf68]

"Ron is a good guy and very popular. This sledging is undeserved. Please try to be more considerate in future."
* a message from VIP Customer Div, Canon USA Inc.


Hahahaha.

With his recent defense of the 5D, I am guessing he is already thinking about going back with his "ex" lol

From what I've seen from the 1DMKIIN's, only a new camera could come out to replace it, it is the best out there.

[Dante King]

Did you pick the 5th at noon? I think I picked the same day, but 2:34 pm EST, which is 11:34 here!

Too funny! It looks like we'll both be out of luck at this rate!!

you never know with Ronanld McTrader.

[Permagrin]

Did you pick the 5th at noon? I think I picked the same day, but 2:34 pm EST, which is 11:34 here!

Too funny! It looks like we'll both be out of luck at this rate!!

Yeah, I DID! (people in Oregon obviously appreciate the fast speed with which the NY branch of POTN breezes through their gear...)

[T.D.]

Yeah, I DID! (people in Oregon obviously appreciate the fast speed with which the NY branch of POTN breezes through their gear...)

So true!

My new theory is the longer the shipping is delayed, the greater the frustration will become and thus the quicker it'll be gone. So if it's not delivered tomorrow, I'm going to have to revise my prediction.

[cjm]

Ah crap I think I am going to start saving $500 a month just so I can get me a 1D MKII N to see what all the fuss is all about. Nah I am to cheap, I'd just buy a 1D MKII since I know how to use the 10D it shouldn't be that much of a learning curve ;)

Unless someone wants to send me theirs so I can try it out. I "swear" I will give it back LMAO.

[Permagrin]

Ah crap I think I am going to start saving $500 a month just so I can get me a 1D MKII N to see what all the fuss is all about. Nah I am to cheap, I'd just buy a 1D MKII since I know how to use the 10D it shouldn't be that much of a learning curve ;)

Unless someone wants to send me theirs so I can try it out. I "swear" I will give it back LMAO.

Aren't you still waiting for your lens that you ordered somewhere around last Aug? If you order yourself a 1DMkIIN now, you might get it by next year sometime and have your credit card all paid off by the time it arrives ;)

[roli_bark]

Off-Off topic ... a little ... but somehow related:
Dante - If I recall correctly, you SOLD your 1DsMark-II for a 5D, but lo-&-behold,
your Gear List shows it's back, and 5D gone ... !!!

What the heck is going on ? ... 've been away for sometime... now I'm back.

[Lightstream]

Off-Off topic ... a little ... but somehow related:
Dante - If I recall correctly, you SOLD your 1DsMark-II for a 5D, but lo-&-behold,
your Gear List shows it's back, and 5D gone ... !!!

What the heck is going on ? ... 've been away for sometime... now I'm back.


The Bookmaker did a Ronald and the 1DsM2 came right back ;)

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Having the 1DsMkII in his signature is just a security blanket. I also heard he printed a full size picture of that body and cut out the middle and affixed it on one of his lenses just so he wouldn't have to use his inhaler as much.


Dante, there's no "link". It's just not worth it to me. I've never liked it.

[T.D.]

Having the 1DsMkII in his signature is just a security blanket. I also heard he printed a full size picture of that body and cut out the middle and affixed it on one of his lenses just so he wouldn't have to use his inhaler as much.

Dante, there's no "link". It's just not worth it to me. I've never liked it.


Now Ronald, you've had the 1DMkIIN in your signature for how many days? And you don't actually have it yet, right? Boys who live in glass lenses should not throw stones!

Even if that glass has a pretty red ring around it!

;)

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Three days I've had it there. That's all. I don't get what you're fussing about. :|

[T.D.]

Three days I've had it there. That's all. I don't get what you're fussing about. :|

No fussing...just yankin' your chain! :p

[Ronald S. Jr.]

AAAAAAGHHHHHHHHHHHHH IT'S HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERE!

All I can say is...sexy. 8) The guy didn't tell me he put a different focus screen in, which is fine, but I didn't know. It looks brand new and works just dandy.

[grego]

Wow, i'll have to play this game soon.


As for the MKIIN, I'm hoping I really like it. Who knows, though. I'm sure I'll be selling it someday...it's just my nature. I think I'm gonna really like it, though. I was excited about getting my 1DMkII back when, and it was alright, but I was very disappointed in the ISO performance...it seemed worse than the 20D/30D, which I thought was surprising. I also disliked going back to that teeny screen. Just didn't feel right. The MKIIN has a lot of the things I've long since wanted in a camera. We'll see how long it "wows" me. This is the body I've wanted all along, so I imagine I'll really like it. I couldn't afford it, though. Look at it this way...there's nothing to move up to. Should be the end of body switching.



How would ISO performance be different on the N versus the original MKII?

[saravrose]

As the Gear Turns.. this is soo exciting.. stay tuned next week to find out what Ron will think is sexy and what he'll be trading in...

congratulations Ron.. I hope you like this camera enough to keep it long enough to win the money.. Hey, if he keeps it past the time that the folks have bet on does Ron get the dough?...

sari

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Just judging by the results, grego..that's all. I remember using a 1DMKII taking shots of my niece in July when she was born, using the 100 2.8 macro. The shots were sharp enough, and my exposure was decent, but I'll be darned if those weren't some of the most grainy shots I'd seen. ISO 1600 was used. I used 1600 on my 5D quite an awful lot, and it was pleasant, to say the least. There was noise...but it was minimal.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

As the Gear Turns.. this is soo exciting.. stay tuned next week to find out what Ron will think is sexy and what he'll be trading in...

congratulations Ron.. I hope you like this camera enough to keep it long enough to win the money.. Hey, if he keeps it past the time that the folks have bet on does Ron get the dough?...

sari

I'll go for that. I'll also add that if someone else wins the bet, I'll match what's in the pot.

[PetKal]

Excellent, congratulations, boy.
Now you just need a telephoto lens and then you'll be able to shoot them birds like Petkal.:cool:

[Carzee]

Aw, a teaser...this is just a Petkal focus check frame taken whilst waiting on the "real" action shot.

[PetKal]

Aw, a teaser...this is just a Petkal focus check frame taken whilst waiting on the "real" action shot.
:lol:
The bird's diaphragm was poised. So was my lens EMD. ;)

[grego]

Just judging by the results, grego..that's all. I remember using a 1DMKII taking shots of my niece in July when she was born, using the 100 2.8 macro. The shots were sharp enough, and my exposure was decent, but I'll be darned if those weren't some of the most grainy shots I'd seen. ISO 1600 was used. I used 1600 on my 5D quite an awful lot, and it was pleasant, to say the least. There was noise...but it was minimal.

That does seem odd considering the sensors are the same. All the changes were fairly small with bigger buffer, ability to save formats to 2 diff cards, the screen, pic styles.

I really haven't compared my 30D and 1DMKII, but im sure the diff won't be too diff. I haven't really seen anything to complain about noisewise. Could be your settings, as the 1D does have NR you can turn on or off in the custom functions, or maybe your camera was faulty.

Of course 5D is in another world though.


As for the 1D series, i thought one of your complaints was weight(one of the pros for the 5D, weighing lenss), even though you said it feels good.

[Lightstream]

:lol:
The bird's diaphragm was poised. So was my lens EMD. ;)


You better hope he keeps his aperture stopped down!! :mrgreen:

[Ronald S. Jr.]

That does seem odd considering the sensors are the same. All the changes were fairly small with bigger buffer, ability to save formats to 2 diff cards, the screen, pic styles.

I really haven't compared my 30D and 1DMKII, but im sure the diff won't be too diff. I haven't really seen anything to complain about noisewise. Could be your settings, as the 1D does have NR you can turn on or off in the custom functions, or maybe your camera was faulty.

Of course 5D is in another world though.


As for the 1D series, i thought one of your complaints was weight(one of the pros for the 5D, weighing lenss), even though you said it feels good.

The upgrades of the N are worth the weight..

..in gold. :lol: jk. :p

[cjm]

Aren't you still waiting for your lens that you ordered somewhere around last Aug? If you order yourself a 1DMkIIN now, you might get it by next year sometime and have your credit card all paid off by the time it arrives ;)Nope I bought a lens from a guy who conned me and sent me a barely working 300mm f4 IS L back in August. Had it for about 3 weeks and then sent it into Canon where it has been ever since. If the lens wasn't so sharp I would have probably dumped it but when I get it back it literally will be better then a brand new 300 because the parts will be all brand new. They better be since I am shelling out $400 to have the freaking thing fixed.

Still waiting for my 24-70 L though, its been I think 15 days now and I am going nuts!

[blonde]

That does seem odd considering the sensors are the same. All the changes were fairly small with bigger buffer, ability to save formats to 2 diff cards, the screen, pic styles.

I really haven't compared my 30D and 1DMKII, but im sure the diff won't be too diff. I haven't really seen anything to complain about noisewise. Could be your settings, as the 1D does have NR you can turn on or off in the custom functions, or maybe your camera was faulty.

Of course 5D is in another world though.


As for the 1D series, i thought one of your complaints was weight(one of the pros for the 5D, weighing lenss), even though you said it feels good.

you are wasting your time Grego...:) he wants the 1DmkIIn and thats pretty much it, no need to get deeper into it..

[Ronald S. Jr.]

you are wasting your time Grego...:) he wants the 1DmkIIn and thats pretty much it, no need to get deeper into it..

I don't want it...I've got it. 8)

:lol:

Yeah, no use trying to convince me of anything. It's my money, and my mind's made up. ;-)

I'll say that I'm noticing the noise difference between it and the 5D, but I don't mind the white speckles as much, even if there's more of it. One thing that I experienced again tonight, that I did with the 1DMKII and didn't care for was that I thought it was overly difficult to use CF 4-1. The button on the back seems harder to press, and hurts my thumb after a bit. That's the only annoyance so far. Oh, that, and the fact that the jpeg on the SD card isn't erased when I erase the RAW on the CF. I think they should both be erased.

[Lightstream]

If you've got it and you are happy, that is the main thing...

For me the primary appeal of the 5D lies in the fact I need a true 17mm ultrawide for some of the things I do, and I don't like too much weight. Other than that I would gladly adopt the N... and I did.. just that it's a 1Dinosaur, not an N ;)

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Whatever gets the job done. 5D is just plain lovely. I just realized that I like length more than I like width in lenses. I also realized that "I wanna go fast, I wanna go fast", so it just made sense. I'm looking to get some longer lenses, and I want a camera that'll push them to their potential.

[Woolburr]

When it comes to low iight Ron...my mk2n can't hold a candle to my 20D...but then again...low light isn't why I own a mk2n...and as far as erasing the memory cards goes...the set up is perfect...no chance to make a stupid mistake and accidentally erase the card you didn't intend to erase...might take some getting used to...but wouldn't want it to work any other way.

[Lightstream]

For tele and action photogs there is probably no other camera that does better. My 1D fills those roles superbly.. one can only imagine the N takes a good thing and makes it better.

Wool.... that bad? I always thought the improved N sensor design would stomp the 20D.

[grego]

you are wasting your time Grego...:) he wants the 1DmkIIn and thats pretty much it, no need to get deeper into it..

Hey, let me play my psychology game. It'll work towards crafting my bets ;)

[Woolburr]

Perhaps I have an exceptional 20D....but the high ISO stuff from it is superb...the high ISO stuff from the mk2n is marginal at best.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

20D better than MkIIN? That's pretty bass ackwards, if you ask me. I just used the N already for a theater performance tonight, and I'll say it did damn well. I've already gone through the shots, too. Looks good to me. Here's a shot from tonight, which would have to be ISO 1250 or higher (only because I never went below that).

I'll tell you what I am unhappy with, though. Look at the nightmare CA from the 85 1.8 at f/2.

129721

[Lightstream]

Perhaps I have an exceptional 20D....but the high ISO stuff from it is superb...the high ISO stuff from the mk2n is marginal at best.


Ahh, ok.. I thought the newer generation CMOS sensors would have been a substantial improvement over my 1Dinosaur's CCD. Then again, like you, I keep the 5D for low light work....that camera is nearly untouchable at high ISO.

The "Guiding Light" shot you helped me C&C.. was an ISO 1600. It sure don't look like :)

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Perhaps I have an exceptional 20D....

LOL...or maybe you have a crap MkIIN! :lol: That'd suck. :p

[Woolburr]

The only time it really is bad is at ISO 3200....just doesn't provide as nice a shot as the 20D at that setting.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Hmm..I only went to 1600. My dad has a 20D. I'm gonna do some testing tomorrow. Maybe I'll even post up the shots, if I'm not too ashamed. :lol:

[Lightstream]

I'd be interested in seeing those too. :)

[Woolburr]

Here are a coupe of examples. First is the 1Dmk2n
http://www.pbase.com/woolburr/image/68146374.jpg
1/320s f/4.5 ISO 3200

20D
http://www.pbase.com/woolburr/image/68126423.jpg
1/500s f/2.8 ISO 3200

[Lightstream]

Wool...any de-noising software used? The 20D shot looks very, very clean.

Ronald.. your turn when you get your comparison done :)

[grego]

The MKII does have NR as an option to use.
From those two images, its hard to say, because with lighting outside, generally its not completely even.

But even then, the 1D series generally gives more detail at the scarifice of more noise. So it makes sense recalling that aspect.

Time to someday go run some tests!! Well after it rains.

[Woolburr]

No NR on either image. If you look at the background of the 20D image...you can see some fine grain noise...if you look at similar areas of the mk2n image, you will notice giant gobs of noise on the buildings.

[grego]

No NR on either image. If you look at the background of the 20D image...you can see some fine grain noise...if you look at similar areas of the mk2n image, you will notice giant gobs of noise on the buildings.

You do have a brighter background in the second image though. The other is darker. So it kinda makes it hard to compare accurately.

[Woolburr]

Yes....I know...let me see if I can find one from the same setting that has a similar exposure...the noise is still there.

[grego]

Yes....I know...let me see if I can find one from the same setting that has a similar exposure...the noise is still there.

I don't doubt you. I just think those two photos aren't the best example. :)

[Dante King]

Having the 1DsMkII in his signature is just a security blanket. I also heard he printed a full size picture of that body and cut out the middle and affixed it on one of his lenses just so he wouldn't have to use his inhaler as much.


Dante, there's no "link". It's just not worth it to me. I've never liked it.

well can you tell me where you saw this info, or should I just drop the subject?

[Ronald S. Jr.]

LOL...which part are you talking about?

If you're talking about me saying that the 1DsMkII isn't worth it to me, well I never told you I had "info", other than that it simply isn't. In my opinion, there isn't a single thing better with the 1DsMKII than the 1DMKIIN. If there is, you let me know, big daddy. Gimme something that makes it worth more than twice the price.

[cjm]

20D better than MkIIN? That's pretty bass ackwards, if you ask me. Whoa Hold yer horses buddy. Knocking the 20D? Them's fighting words. :lol:

Besides didn't you own 2X 20D longer then any of your other cameras? Must have been something that appealed to you about them before you won the lottery and bought every lens, and camera body ever made for Canon except of course the monsters.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Yep, they were cheap and they worked. That's why I kept them. I needed two cameras, needed better ISO performance than the XT, and they fit the bill, on a budget. I'm not knocking the 20D. It's a fine camera and it gets the job done.

I'll also add that I never spent a penny on upgrades. I simply seek out the deals..










...and the suckers. 8) :p

[blonde]

I'll also add that I never spent a penny on upgrades. I simply seek out the deals..




care to explain this sentence? so when you traded from an XT to a 20D and from a 30D to 5D, you never spent a penny?

[Permagrin]

care to explain this sentence? so when you traded from an XT to a 20D and from a 30D to 5D, you never spent a penny?

tchah...I'm sure his "never spent a penny" was metaphorical for "I spent a whole lot of greenbacks instead!"

[blonde]

that makes more sense :)

[cjm]

tchah...I'm sure his "never spent a penny" was metaphorical for "I spent a whole lot of greenbacks instead!"Or maxed out a credit card and everytime they up his credit limit he sells his current camera pays down the maxed credit card and buys the next camera with the difference. :lol: (jk Ronald)

[Ronald S. Jr.]

care to explain this sentence? so when you traded from an XT to a 20D and from a 30D to 5D, you never spent a penny?

Correct, sir. I never said it was straight body for body, sometimes I traded a body and a lens, or what not, but never did I spend any amount of money upgrading. I wait for exceptional deals that are too good to pass up, and I sweet talk my way into a trade/sale that's undoubtedly in my favor. As I said before, my mom's dell account bought my first set of gear. This consisted of:

XT
grip
2 580's
8gigs of Ultra II's
bogen 3001 with 3265
50 1.4
100 2.8 macro
100-400L
kit lens
28-135 IS

Then she bought elsewhere (not available at Dell):
light stands/brackets/umbrellas
ST-E2
backdrops
70-200L IS
35L (a few months later)
XPS desktop
Custom Bracket


Now...as you can see, this would add up to quite some money. Anyway, leaving out the middle, these things have been traded, sold, and so on, and I've ended up with what you see in my signature, without spending any amount of money whatsoever. I'll add that contrary to what some have said, I do have each and every thing below in my physical posession. None "in the mail" or what not. I will also add that my 580, 70-200L IS, 35L, Ultra II's, and XPS have never left my posession.


The end.


P.S. The Sigma 20 1.8 is actually my father's, but he doesn't care for it, so it's assumed its position on my shelf.

[blonde]

Correct, sir. I never said it was straight body for body, sometimes I traded a body and a lens, or what not, but never did I spend any amount of money upgrading. I wait for exceptional deals that are too good to pass up, and I sweet talk my way into a trade/sale that's undoubtedly in my favor. As I said before, my mom's dell account bought my first set of gear. This consisted of:

XT
grip
2 580's
8gigs of Ultra II's
bogen 3001 with 3265
50 1.4
100 2.8 macro
100-400L
kit lens
28-135 IS

Then she bought elsewhere (not available at Dell):
light stands/brackets/umbrellas
ST-E2
backdrops
70-200L IS
35L (a few months later)
XPS desktop
Custom Bracket


Now...as you can see, this would add up to quite some money. Anyway, leaving out the middle, these things have been traded, sold, and so on, and I've ended up with what you see in my signature, without spending any amount of money whatsoever. I'll add that contrary to what some have said, I do have each and every thing below in my physical posession. None "in the mail" or what not. I will also add that my 580, 70-200L IS, 35L, Ultra II's, and XPS have never left my posession.


The end.


P.S. The Sigma 20 1.8 is actually my father's, but he doesn't care for it, so it's assumed its position on my shelf.

oh now i get it. so you never spend a penny because your mom bought everything. thanks for clearing that up...

[PetKal]

oh now i get it. so you never spend a penny because your mom bought everything. thanks for clearing that up...

Well, Snir mah bo', like it or not, it is simply very helpful to have well to do relatives and family members who are sympathetic to our collecting needs.
For example, Aerosmith and I are both kept men......not having spent a penny of our own money, the generosity of our wives has helped us acquire a half-decent gear collection. As a further example, you might remember that Calicocat got both the 300 f/2.8 and the 400 f/5.6 as birthday presents.

Granted, some collectors have had to work very hard for their gear. Belmondo is such an example. I understand he spent much of his working career toiling on American railroad tracks.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Hmm...so it's bad that my mother bought me things? Riiight...now I get it. :|

[Permagrin]

Well, Snir mah bo', like it or not, it is simply very helpful to have well to do relatives and family members who are sympathetic to our collecting needs.
For example, Aerosmith and I are both kept men......not having spent a penny of our own money, the generosity of our wives has helped us acquire a half-decent gear collection. As a further example, you might remember that Calicocat got both the 300 f/2.8 and the 400 f/5.6 as birthday presents.

Granted, some collectors have had to work very hard for their gear. Belmondo is such an example. I understand he spent much of his working career toiling on American railroad tracks.

Nice to have such generous wives. Definitely must hang on to them then! I think Dante keeps himself and has a very tolerant wife, which is also a good thing for a photographer with a taste for glass! Ron that should be a definite requirement for your future...a wife who doesn't want glass of her own, that doesn't care how much you spend on yours! :lol:

[PetKal]

Nice to have such generous wives. Definitely must hang on to them then! I think Dante keeps himself and has a very tolerant wife, which is also a good thing for a photographer with a taste for glass! Ron that should be a definite requirement for your future...a wife who doesn't want glass of her own, that doesn't care how much you spend on yours! :lol:

Nah, that just ain't good enough.....suggest it is rewritten as follows: ",....that doesn't care how much she spends on yours!"

Big difference, especially in the case of Ronald here who I think already points in the venerable direction in which Aerosmith and I have gone.;)

[Permagrin]

[/B]

Nah, that just ain't good enough.....suggest it is rewritten as follows: ",....that doesn't care how much she spends on yours!"

Big difference, especially in the case of Ronald here who I think already points in the venerable direction in which Aerosmith and I have gone.;)

You're right. Ron needs a rich wife...be sure and guide him well ;)

[PetKal]

Nice to have such generous wives. Definitely must hang on to them then! I think Dante keeps himself and has a very tolerant wife, which is also a good thing for a photographer with a taste for glass! Ron that should be a definite requirement for your future...a wife who doesn't want glass of her own, that doesn't care how much you spend on yours! :lol:

Another thing....Dante might indeed have a taste for glass but so does just about every amateur/pro photographer on earth.
What Dante does not have (yet) is a lens collection beyond an "L apprentice" level.

[Permagrin]

Another thing....Dante might indeed have a taste for glass but so does just about every amateur/pro photographer on earth.
What Dante does not have (yet) is a lens collection beyond an "L apprentice" level.

Well, if Dante's glass is apprentice, then mine hasn't even hit the measuring apperatus yet...

[PetKal]

Well, if Dante's glass is apprentice, then mine hasn't even hit the measuring apperatus yet...

"L inductee":evil:

[PetKal]

BTW, Permeability, should you be interested in "Lisa I", she was still available and offered at the same price 1/2 hrs ago.
If you need more info on her, I'd be pleased to give you a little written test report for a modest fee. :cool:

[Permagrin]

BTW, Permeability, should you be interested in "Lisa I", she was still available and offered at the same price 1/2 hrs ago.
If you need more info on her, I'd be pleased to give you a little written test report for a modest fee. :cool:

Oh that's okay Peter, after all, if the master has rejected it, then the "lower than an apprentice" would be a fool if she did not learn from such an exalted source.

[PetKal]

Oh that's okay Peter, after all, if the master has rejected it, then the "lower than an apprentice" would be a fool if she did not learn from such an exalted source.
Most lenses are generally fixable....it's just a matter of time and money.;)

[blonde]

Hmm...so it's bad that my mother bought me things? Riiight...now I get it. :|


did you see me say anywhere that it is a bbad thing? i was just trying to clear things up because "i never spent a penny on upgrades" is a bit vague and some people might even thing that you bought a mkIIn for the price of an XT...

[rklepper]

Nice to have such generous wives. Definitely must hang on to them then! I think Dante keeps himself and has a very tolerant wife, which is also a good thing for a photographer with a taste for glass! Ron that should be a definite requirement for your future...a wife who doesn't want glass of her own, that doesn't care how much you spend on yours! :lol:

A good wife is hard to find. Seems like they are few and far between (I am sure the same can be said about husbands). I really am lucky in that I have a keeper, and we have been together for many years. She encourages me to get what I need and can afford for all my hobbies. I have really shown restraint and only bought what I absolutely need.

[Permagrin]

A good wife is hard to find. Seems like they are few and far between (I am sure the same can be said about husbands). I really am lucky in that I have a keeper, and we have been together for many years. She encourages me to get what I need and can afford for all my hobbies. I have really shown restraint and only bought what I absolutely need.

DOC...you call 2x 24-70's, only what you "absoutely need?" ;) :lol:
You're right though, from everything you've said, your wife is a gem.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

One for him, one for her. It's only right! :eek:

[Dante King]

LOL...which part are you talking about?

If you're talking about me saying that the 1DsMkII isn't worth it to me, well I never told you I had "info", other than that it simply isn't. In my opinion, there isn't a single thing better with the 1DsMKII than the 1DMKIIN. If there is, you let me know, big daddy. Gimme something that makes it worth more than twice the price.

You said that you have read info that the 1dsmk2 was outdated wait here it is

The 1DsMkII is .... I'd pay no more for it than I would the N, and I don't think it's worth any more. It just seems really outdated, and reading Canon's page on it felt like reading about the 10D...it needs a successor. ..... The 1DsMKII just seems...idk...like a ripoff.

Sure would like to see a canon page that puts it in the light of a 10D or any spec that gives this impression. I thought it shared the same digic as the 5 D and N ? dont want to mince words, just trying to see where you are coming from on this statement.

[Dante King]

You're right. Ron needs a rich wife...be sure and guide him well ;)

LOL!

[Belmondo]

Oh, man. Now I have to sell off all my stuff. Turns out my 1Dsm2 is just so much junk. Who knew?

Guess I'll go by Sony. They're always cutting edge.

[blonde]

Oh, man. Now I have to sell off all my stuff. Turns out my 1Dsm2 is just so much junk. Who knew?

Guess I'll go by Sony. They're always cutting edge.

yeah Tom, i guess trusting an item that so many pros use every day to make amazing (selling) images wasn't the smartest thing. well, at least you have learned your lesson, next time you will be sure to ask the people that really know what is cutting edge and whats junk.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Quite the sarcastic bunch, you guys are.

I don't feel the need to defend myself from a bunch of strangers, but I'll just say that I didn't mean it was in the same class as the 10D. It just felt like, reading the product page, that I was reading about a "previous" model, where you think "yeah I'm glad they improved that, I remember that's how it used to be". It just doesn't seem like it has an awful lot more going for it than the N to make it so much more. More, yes, but not $4k more. I'd like to understand what the big differences are between it and the N, other than full frame sensor. Not being sarcastic..I'd really like to know.

[Belmondo]

Quite the sarcastic bunch, you guys are.

I don't feel the need to defend myself from a bunch of strangers, but I'll just say that I didn't mean it was in the same class as the 10D. It just felt like, reading the product page, that I was reading about a "previous" model, where you think "yeah I'm glad they improved that, I remember that's how it used to be". It just doesn't seem like it has an awful lot more going for it than the N to make it so much more. More, yes, but not $4k more. I'd like to understand what the big differences are between it and the N, other than full frame sensor. Not being sarcastic..I'd really like to know.

I beg your pardon. We are NOT a bunch of strangers. We are family.




So there.:p

[grego]

So Belmondo, since the 1dsmkii is outdated, are you going to sell it to me for a good price. I know you promised me whenever that day came!!

[Permagrin]

yeah....it's just that some branches of the family are evergreen ;)

[Dante King]

Not being sarcastic..I'd really like to know.

double the MP, FF sensor, which applies to AOV, FOV, DOF fall off and actually DOF characteristics of the lenses used. To a creative photographer, there are serious critical things. No need to defend yourself, just asking what you meant.

Think some one got up on the wrong side of the bed and ripped his horsie pajama's :)

[Dante King]

So Belmondo, since the 1dsmkii is outdated, are you going to sell it to me for a good price. I know you promised me whenever that day came!!

No no, ronnie says get a 10D and SAVE SAVE SAVE!!!!!

[calicokat]

double the MP, FF sensor, which applies to AOV, FOV, DOF fall off and actually DOF characteristics of the lenses used. To a creative photographer, there are serious critical things. No need to defend yourself, just asking what you meant.

Think some one got up on the wrong side of the bed and ripped his horsie pajama's :)

The 1DsMII is junk, Ronald would know because he has owned one right:lol:

[PetKal]

Oh, man. Now I have to sell off all my stuff. Turns out my 1Dsm2 is just so much junk. Who knew?

Guess I'll go by Sony. They're always cutting edge.

Never mind that old camera....:rolleyes:
WHERE ARE THE SAMPLE SHOTS WITH 50 f/1.2 ?

[Dante King]

Yeazh really! come on B!

[grego]

No no, ronnie says get a 10D and SAVE SAVE SAVE!!!!!

You mean I made the biggest mistake of my life selling my 10D for only 600 bucks 2 months ago to fund my purchase of the body(which became the 1DMKII)?! :oops:

No:cry:

[blonde]

You mean I made the biggest mistake of my life selling my 10D for only 600 bucks 2 months ago to fund my purchase of the body(which became the 1DMKII)?! :oops:

No:cry:

afraid so... especially because you bought a 1DmkII which is even worse than the 1DsmkII (how the hell can you live with that horrible noise levels, smaller buffer and the crappy lcd??!?!? ;) )

[calicokat]

Ronald needs his own forum to give us all advice about buying gear, I would never have a 1DsMII if I knew all this :eek:

[blonde]

he does have his own forum, it's called the buy & sell forum...

[calicokat]

he does have his own forum, it's called the buy & sell forum...

Oh my, this is very true ;)

[cjm]

I don't feel the need to defend myself from a bunch of strangers, but I'll just say that I didn't mean it was in the same class as the 10D. It just felt like, reading the product page, that I was reading about a "previous" model, where you think "yeah I'm glad they improved that, I remember that's how it used to be". It just doesn't seem like it has an awful lot more going for it than the N to make it so much more. More, yes, but not $4k more. I'd like to understand what the big differences are between it and the N, other than full frame sensor. Not being sarcastic..I'd really like to know.ISO and Noise are not everything. Besides the "noise" of the 1Ds is probably non existance when you look at the 16mp image at 50% (8mp size of the 1D MKII N) the noise only comes out at 100% and who in Gods green earth would want a 16mp picture at 100% anyways? Not many I think.

Oh, man. Now I have to sell off all my stuff. Turns out my 1Dsm2 is just so much junk. Who knew?

Guess I'll go by Sony. They're always cutting edge.I'll give you my advanced 20D for that useless 1Ds MKII that is old like a 10D. We got a deal buddy? :lol:

he does have his own forum, it's called the buy & sell forum...Hahahaha lol no he has two, FM buy/sell and POTN's. :lol:

[Belmondo]

Okay, Ronald has become very quiet. He probably thinks we're all picking on him, and he's off in a corner somewhere doing a slow burn. At this point, I think we should all take this opportunity to tell Ronald how much we really love him.

Ronald, I lo....












Nope. Can't do it.

Ronald. You're family. That's all I can bring myself to say.:lol:

[PetKal]

Okay, Ronald has become very quiet. He probably thinks we're all picking on him, and he's off in a corner somewhere doing a slow burn. At this point, I think we should all take this opportunity to tell Ronald how much we really love him.

Ronald, I lo....












Nope. Can't do it.

Ronald. You're family. That's all I can bring myself to say.:lol:

THE LENS, THOMAS, THE LENS.:rolleyes:

[Belmondo]

THE LENS, THOMAS, THE LENS.:rolleyes:

5:42PM, still no UPS, although their tracking info says "Out for Delivery." I've been through this enough times that I'm not concerned. It wil come, or it won't. Either way, I'll sleep well tonight.

[SuzyView]

Well, I have no shame. I love you, Ronnie. :) Life in the forum wouldn't be the same without you. I would not have any fun. And I wanted to know how you are doing with your new 1DMKIIN?

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Oh it's fine. I did a girl's senior pictures today with the N and the 28-75, and compared to the 85 1.8 (on the N), I'm supremely dissatisfied with the performance of the Tammy. Truly pathetic. God I hope I can get a 24-70L back soon. Geeez.

[grego]

:lol:

[blonde]

AND WE ARE OFF!!!!! Dante, are your books ready? do you have the cash to pay the winners?

[Belmondo]

The lens just arrived. Think I'll take a nap.:rolleyes:

[SuzyView]

You mean you got your 50 1.2? Is it wonderful?

Ron, I'm not a betting person, but I will guess you will be getting another 24-70 soon. I don't know how you part with it. :)

[Belmondo]

You mean you got your 50 1.2? Is it wonderful?

I'm sure it's a thing of beauty, but I haven't opened the box yet.

[Maureen Souza]

I'm sure it's a thing of beauty, but I haven't opened the box yet.
I am sure the anticipation is better than the lens;) ;)

[PetKal]

I'm sure it's a thing of beauty, but I haven't opened the box yet.
This post could be taken to exemplify the best of SM behaviour;) :cool:

[cjm]

Oh it's fine. I did a girl's senior pictures today with the N and the 28-75, and compared to the 85 1.8 (on the N), I'm supremely dissatisfied with the performance of the Tammy. Truly pathetic. God I hope I can get a 24-70L back soon. Geeez.And we're off! Muhahhaha that 24-70 L I stole from you is ultra sharp. :)