Sunday Morning Rant.

[dpurslow]

I am posting this here - it was originally a reply to a post but feel that a good rant is in order.

It was in reply to a photo of kids on Santa's lap. - I will also expand on it a little.

It is so sad but true that the UK has been taken over by liberal namby pamby P/C jobsworths that photos like that just wont happen. Also, get this for a totally FUBAR'd backwards country being fed ex'd to hell in a hand basket.

If you’re from Wales - you’re Welsh
If you’re from Ireland - you’re Irish
If you’re from Scotland - You’re Scottish
If you’re from England - Your British we are not allowed to be called ENGLISH in case it offends...

And even more than that, we don’t have Christmas anymore, we have the "Holiday" season - we cant call it Christmas again incase we offend anyone! - HOWEVER others in the country can and do have their Named holiday seasons and can put up signs etc all about it but we as English (British - after all I dont want to be called a racist) cannot have a Christmas Tree - we have to have a Holiday Tree.

Ohhhh makes my blood boil.

I love you Santa photos and think that kids miss out later in life because of not having it done here.

[condyk]

LMAO ... that is rubbish. You live in a weird bubble of angst and mis-perception.

[Becca]

We actually had a boycott happen at our office this year because we had to have a "Autumn Party" instead of a "Christmas Party". We weren't even allowed to call it a "Holiday Party" because some people don't celebrate holidays! I went... hey, free food and booze... I don't care what they call it! ;)

[Ronald S. Jr.]

You're not allowed to call people that live in England, English? That's the strangest thing I've heard in a while. I must be thick, but why would a Brit be offended if I called them "English"?

[GyRob]

I am posting this here - it was originally a reply to a post but feel that a good rant is in order.

It was in reply to a photo of kids on Santa's lap. - I will also expand on it a little.

It is so sad but true that the UK has been taken over by liberal namby pamby P/C jobsworths that photos like that just wont happen. Also, get this for a totally FUBAR'd backwards country being fed ex'd to hell in a hand basket.

If you’re from Wales - you’re Welsh
If you’re from Ireland - you’re Irish
If you’re from Scotland - You’re Scottish
If you’re from England - Your British we are not allowed to be called ENGLISH in case it offends...

And even more than that, we don’t have Christmas anymore, we have the "Holiday" season - we cant call it Christmas again incase we offend anyone! - HOWEVER others in the country can and do have their Named holiday seasons and can put up signs etc all about it but we as English (British - after all I dont want to be called a racist) cannot have a Christmas Tree - we have to have a Holiday Tree.

Ohhhh makes my blood boil.

I love you Santa photos and think that kids miss out later in life because of not having it done here.
i know were your comming from and i hate what they have done to our country by taking away things that ALL kids would enjoy However as i dont want to get banned from this forum i will shut up :)
Rob.

[condyk]

LOL man ... England is now growing rednecks. Sorry lads, but I don't see or experience this stuff. Maybe I live in the bubble :-)

[rhys]

I heard one Jobcentre banned Christmas in case it offends people that can't afford Christmas.

I also heard of people being arrested for waving the Union Jack - in Britain!

[saravrose]

I heard one Jobcentre banned Christmas in case it offends people that can't afford Christmas.

I also heard of people being arrested for waving the Union Jack - in Britain!

what a union jack?..

[JCR]

I think the OP has a good point.

The UK has bent over so far backwards to accomodate all races, beliefs, social castes and minorities we have done a complete loop and are now bending over forwards.

But like gyrob I smell a mod smackdown coming so I'm going to go amuse myself in the critique forums.

[Shutter22]

There was an article in our paper a few weeks back that Wal Mart was going BACK to saying Merry Christmas instead of Happy Holidays because they were offending even more people because they didn't say Merry Chiristmas.

It never ends.

[Becca]

what a union jack?..

Its the flag of the United Kingdom... like we call ours The Stars and Stripes.

[goforphoto]

I agree with the whole thread, In the USA it's the same way. Years ago it didn't matter what religion you were if a christian addressed a jew during christmas he/she said Merry christmas then the jewish person would return saying Happy Hannaka(or how ever they spell it). No one should have a problem with christmas, easter, etc. because they all promote peace and love of your fellow man/woman. But the religous differences have been causing wars since the begining of time and there is no way on this earth that calling christmas trees, holiday trees is going to make a bit of difference settling the religous gaps in the worl. if you don't celebrate it then just politely thank the person that just told you merry christmas and go about your day, why the hell would you get offended by someone wishing you well?

[Bill Roberts]

Actually it's not just a question of being a redneck there is some truth there. A few weeks ago my Father was ill and the paramedics who came were filling a form in via a wireless link and a laptop. When it came to his Nationality exactly that question came up, and he could indeed be Welsh, Irish or Scottish but not English. It didn't make sense to me or (off the record) to the paramedics. It was the "tick box" type of form so you'd no options other than what was on it. So it's really not rabid racism, it's fact and perhaps political correctness getting in the way of common sense.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Well if you can't be English, and you're not Welsh, Irish, or Scottish, what are you?

[dpurslow]

Well if you can't be English, and you're not Welsh, Irish, or Scottish, what are you?

British, Welsh people come from Wales, Scottish people are Scottish, Irish people are Irish but people from England CANNOT be English, they have to be British.

We dont even have an English National Day The people want to make St. Georges day a national holiday but they wont.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

No no, I meant in reference to the post before mine about the card where there was no british/english option.

So this "people from England CANNOT be English" thing..is that a law there, or is that just the socially accepted way? What's wrong with being "english"?

[Claire]

Well if you can't be English, and you're not Welsh, Irish, or Scottish, what are you?

Then you fall under the equal opportunities option:

Please tick if you're....
Caucasian
African
Pakistani
Bangladeshi
Chinese
Japanese
Australian/NZ
South African
Mixed race


I used to get awfully offended there was no options for Swedish or Scandinavian...:D ;)

[dpurslow]

No no, I meant in reference to the post before mine about the card where there was no british/english option.

So this "people from England CANNOT be English" thing..is that a law there, or is that just the socially accepted way? What's wrong with being "english"?

On the forms, it has British, Irish, Welsh, Scottish but no English.

[rhys]

I always understood the English were comprised of Danes, Normans and Saxons. There is no such thing as a native Englishman. The natives of Britain were the Celts (Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Cornish) and the rest all arrived as invaders, traders and immigrants. I'd love to see a photo of Romans invading, faced by woad-covered natives :D

[Moppie]

Then you fall under the equal opportunities option:

Please tick if you're....
Caucasian
African
Pakistani
Bangladeshi
Chinese
Japanese
Australian/NZ
South African
Mixed race


I used to get awfully offended there was no options for Swedish or Scandinavian...:D ;)

Im offended that you lumped New Zealand in with Australia!
We are two seperate countrys with our own unique cultures and identities. :evil:
:p :p

But don't feel too bad, there was a recent addition to our 4 yearly census.
They had to add New Zealander as a nationality.
Previously there was only Pakeha, Maaori, Chineese, Tongan, Samoan etc, etc, etc..
If you happened to be of European decent, but born in NZ, then you had no option but to tick Pakeha. Which is as close as Maaori can get to "White Man". But it can mean other things depending on context and dialect.
And of course if you were of mixed race, you simply had to pick one, and ignore all the others.

[peacock]

The natives of Britain were the Celts (Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Cornish) and the rest all arrived as invaders, traders and immigrants.

:confused: celts were "invaders , traders and immigrants" to "ancient" Briton too:p

[BillMarks]

I am posting this here - it was originally a reply to a post but feel that a good rant is in order.

It was in reply to a photo of kids on Santa's lap. - I will also expand on it a little.

It is so sad but true that the UK has been taken over by liberal namby pamby P/C jobsworths that photos like that just wont happen. Also, get this for a totally FUBAR'd backwards country being fed ex'd to hell in a hand basket.

If you’re from Wales - you’re Welsh
If you’re from Ireland - you’re Irish
If you’re from Scotland - You’re Scottish
If you’re from England - Your British we are not allowed to be called ENGLISH in case it offends...

And even more than that, we don’t have Christmas anymore, we have the "Holiday" season - we cant call it Christmas again incase we offend anyone! - HOWEVER others in the country can and do have their Named holiday seasons and can put up signs etc all about it but we as English (British - after all I dont want to be called a racist) cannot have a Christmas Tree - we have to have a Holiday Tree.

Ohhhh makes my blood boil.

I love you Santa photos and think that kids miss out later in life because of not having it done here.

Maybe if you internalized the true meaning of christmas your blood wouldn't boil. Also, if you realized that most religions rely on belief in the truly (and often absurdly) impossible and are frequently at the root of continued atrocities throughout the world and throughout history, you might be in favor of a ban on all of them.

And how arrogant of you to consider all those who don't happen to believe in your religion to be "missing out" by not having their photo taken with a marketing ploy to boost winter sales volumes.

Happy Holidays,

Bill

[Claire]

Im offended that you lumped New Zealand in with Australia!
We are two seperate countrys with our own unique cultures and identities. :evil:
:p :p

But don't feel too bad, there was a recent addition to our 4 yearly census.
They had to add New Zealander as a nationality.
Previously there was only Pakeha, Maaori, Chineese, Tongan, Samoan etc, etc, etc..
If you happened to be of European decent, but born in NZ, then you had no option but to tick Pakeha. Which is as close as Maaori can get to "White Man". But it can mean other things depending on context and dialect.
And of course if you were of mixed race, you simply had to pick one, and ignore all the others.

Moppie, I did the Aus/NZ lumping on purpose...;) :p I guess you guys are like us & Norwegians, friendly rivalry. hehe

At least ppl you meet know of New Zealand. I kept getting ppl confuse Sweden with Switzerland. LOL

[Mark0159]

Moppie, I did the Aus/NZ lumping on purpose...;) :p I guess you guys are like us & Norwegians, friendly rivalry. hehe

At least ppl you meet know of New Zealand. I kept getting ppl confuse Sweden with Switzerland. LOL

At least people don't think ya from another country when ya meet them face to face. just the other day in the lift someone thought I was from the UK. and a number of years ago when I was at the supermarket the girl on the counter asked me which country I am from. 100% kiwi here.

[Claire]

At least people don't think ya from another country when ya meet them face to face. just the other day in the lift someone thought I was from the UK. and a number of years ago when I was at the supermarket the girl on the counter asked me which country I am from. 100% kiwi here.

Ehum, you obviously haven't seen a pic of me. :p
I'm Swedish/Thai, I look Asian & ppl always assume I'm from whatever Asian country.:) Then I say I'm Swedish & get "Oh, Volvo, Abba, watches & wanna sleep with me?" :rolleyes: :lol:

[Bill Roberts]

Well if you can't be English, and you're not Welsh, Irish, or Scottish, what are you?

The option available was British Ron. And although coming from Great Britain I obviously am British, more specifically I'm English, and I don't think it at all unreasonable to want to say so. It just seemed so stupid that I couldn't.

[Skip Souza]

When possible I check the box : "Declines to state".
I truly wish for a NOYFB box. :rolleyes:


You mean Australia isn't part of New Zealand :lol:

[condyk]

Then I say I'm Swedish & get "Oh, Volvo, Abba, watches & wanna sleep with me?" :rolleyes: :lol:

I imagine in your place there is a certain linearity to that set of words that is compelling, like a hypnotic trance. Has it ever happened in actuality? Personally, I would mention Saab, A-ha, Herring before asking such a bold question but then I live on the wild side :D

[Claire]

I imagine in your place there is a certain linearity to that set of words that is compelling, like a hypnotic trance. Has it ever happened in actuality? Personally, I would mention Saab, A-ha, Herring before asking such a bold question but then I live on the wild side :D

I am horribly offended you have A-ha in that sentence! They're Norwegian!:evil:



But then again, you did that on purpose, eh? ;)

Has it ever happened in actuality? Oh,yes, I've had men say worse & more graphic stuff to my face - in Swedish! In London!

[Mark0159]

You mean Australia isn't part of New Zealand :lol:

Don't make me hurt you :) As long as you don't think that we all run around in grass skirts then ya fine :)

[Claire]

Don't make me hurt you :) As long as you don't think that we all run around in grass skirts then ya fine :)

Darn. I would have liked to see you in one.

[rklepper]

I am actually quite offended by how offended you all are about this. It is politics. Leave that to the politicians, let's live as humans shall we.

[Mark0159]

Darn. I would have liked to see you in one.

I didn't know you had a wish to be blind ;)

[condyk]

I am horribly offended you have A-ha in that sentence! They're Norwegian!:evil: But then again, you did that on purpose, eh? ;)


:lol: :lol: Yes :D

[Claire]

Dave, I know you too well. :p At least you didn't say Aqua or Lordi. hehe

[Moppie]

We actually had a boycott happen at our office this year because we had to have a "Autumn Party" instead of a "Christmas Party".

Given the history of christmas, calling it an Autumn Party is actualy quite ironic.
It is orginaly the Pagan celebration of the Winter Solstice, hence the feasting and drinking. :D :D

Something I plan to be doing plenty of, while spending time with Family.
I think I will find it far more enjoyable than sitting around whining like a Pom :p




And Australia used to be part of New Zealand, but we had to cast them adrift when they refused to play nice in the Cricket.

[rhys]

Given the history of christmas, calling it an Autumn Party is actualy quite ironic.
It is orginaly the Pagan celebration of the Winter Solstice, hence the feasting and drinking. :D :D

Something I plan to be doing plenty of, while spending time with Family.
I think I will find it far more enjoyable than sitting around whining like a Pom :p




And Australia used to be part of New Zealand, but we had to cast them adrift when they refused to play nice in the Cricket.

Isn't the real date of the birth of Christ sometime in March? I think the early church decided his birth would be celebrated on the 25th as that was closer to the pagan winter solstace (December 21st) and could pretty much take over from that.

To the pagans, there being little else to do in the depths of winter, celebrating the solstace with eating and drinking made a lot of sense - it raised the spirits as they knew from that date the nights would get shorter and the days longer.

[Ronald S. Jr.]

Isn't the real date of the birth of Christ sometime in March?

Someone will say I'm wrong, but it's April 6th.

[Skip Souza]

The original celebration in the winter was the Roman celebration to Saturn, the Saturnalia. When the Roman Empire turned to Christianity it saw that it was futile to try to outlaw the holiday so it just changed the name and it became a Christian holiday rather than deprive the Romans of their holiday. Bread and circuses, you know.
Throughout history cultures have evolved and changed, adopting ways and local celebrations to survive.
I grew up in a family that believed that the celebration of Christmas and all "Holy days" were a violation of Christ's teachings, yet I celebrate Christmas.
I do not question those that choose to Celebrate Christmas, Chanukah, Ramadan, or the phases of the moon. I also recognize that the prevalent beliefs in a given location probably should not be challenged with impunity.
Live and let live.

[rklepper]

Isn't the real date of the birth of Christ sometime in March? I think the early church decided his birth would be celebrated on the 25th as that was closer to the pagan winter solstace (December 21st) and could pretty much take over from that.

To the pagans, there being little else to do in the depths of winter, celebrating the solstace with eating and drinking made a lot of sense - it raised the spirits as they knew from that date the nights would get shorter and the days longer.

Any dates to that are purely conjecture. Noone knows for sure, just lots of guesses based on many completely different theories.

[Belmondo]

what a union jack?..

It's what you use when you have a flat tire (tyre) on your union.

[JCR]

Wow no one been torched yet?

UK - every person on the island's an immigrant if you go back far enough, If I remember right the welsh were first to settle followed by the gaelic populating scotland & Ireland, Rome came years later, the germanic peoples moved across the water in 400AD (ish) to settle, then the french (norman) invasion went from 1066. (if it had not been the normans the vikings would have likely won majority as they were invading the same year, King harold (saxon) succesfully repelled a viking army in the north then marched his army non stop to battle, in sussex to try repel the normans. This has left the south of uk with a predominant saxon (germanic) population and the midlands/north with predominant viking population, a mixture of norman sprinkled through both. If anyone really cares :)

My history teacher would be proud, she thought i was asleep half time.

[JCR]

The stuff I dug up on christianity a while ago was also interesting (if accurate) Rome was in a state of flux, many religions warring with eachother, internal political intrigue etc so constantine the then emperor offered these religions a shed load of gold if they could get along, so they got together and all agreed on one tale of events from their own stories/faiths hence christianity was born, one state religion and Rome was at peace.

I wasn't there in person to verify this story (I was busy populating UK) So how accurate it is I have no idea.

And finally the last spanner in the works, Santa was invented by coca cola, or at least the santa we all know. Commercialism made perfect.

[Carzee]

Any dates [re Jesus' birthday] are purely conjecture. No one knows for sure, just lots of guesses based on many completely different theories.

Problem #1; no headstone or tomb. :)

[condyk]

Problem #1; no headstone or tomb. :)

WOT ... you mean that grotto at Disneyland aint so? Maaaan ... and I spent out for the tshirt and tee-towel and everything :rolleyes: :cry: :cry: :evil:

[Carzee]

If there really was a tombstone it would not be at Disneyland.
According to info on Gore's internet, the Clintons would've looted it from a cabinet in the White House in January 2001... and nowadays it'd be showing up on feebay every Easter.
http://fran.orcon.net.nz/beer3.gif

[Skip Souza]

Faith is the belief or trust in things unseen.
I have faith in Kiwis and Aussies.
Sorry to lump you guys together :-)

[Mark0159]

Faith is the belief or trust in things unseen.
I have faith in Kiwis and Aussies.
Sorry to lump you guys together :-)

that is true faith is.

You know just because you are big hairy monster doesn't mean I can't take you on ;) after all I am the flying kiwi.

it's a shame that the PC police think that you can say merry xmas or what ever. I don't a faith as such. but I am not going to go around and tell people that they can't express who they are. If someone wishes to say that they are English then so be it.

I don't care myself. say what you will, it's just water of a ducks back.

[Carzee]

Political correctness... bah humbug! Mr Orwell explained where it leads and the soviets lived it out.
The most applicable quote against PC is -ironically- from socialist scripture.

"A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still."

[Skip Souza]

The definition of Political Correctness

A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

[EOSAddict]

The definition of Political Correctness

A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

I MUST remeber that Skip, LMAO at that! Pity its too late for the Book Quote competition!