EOS 300D Digital Rebel - is it good enough?

[ecobo]

I intend to buy a new digital camera. I have a S45 and have to say that it is a very good choice, but it lacks exchangeable lenses and external flash support. All the photos on my web site (http://www.e-cobo.com) are made with this excellent small camera and most of my visitors do like them. I've spended two weeks of internet investigations on the new digital SLRs and found the EOS 300D. It's almost the same as the D60, but IT HAS A TOTALY DIFFERENT COLOR REPRODUCTION. I found a web site with comparison photos. The colors of the 300D looks BETTER than these of the D60 on my screen. IS THIS REAL? Which camera has better color reproduction? Help me to chose.[/url]

[robertwgross]

I think you will find that the D60 is discontinued. It was more or less replaced by the 10D. Then the 300D (also called Digital Rebel) is the cost-reduced version. They all have very similar sensors, and if set up for "flat" color reproduction, they should all give similar results.

---Bob Gross---

[CyberDyneSystems]

The "defualt" or "Zero" parameter settings for the 300d are equivelent to +3 saturation, contarast and sharpen on a 10D. I presume this is also true when it is compared to the D60.

In a nutshell this means that the DRebel is not a lot more capable RE; image quality Vs. D60 or 10D,. but the jepgs right out of the camera may be more pleasing with no post process work.

It is then very plausible that a side by side comparison would result in the Drebel jpeg being more pelasing.

Bottom line,. it is a great camera. :)

[stevelew]

I think the 300D is a very capable camera. It doesn't have some of the features of the 10D like the sync connection for flash or mirror lockup. Otherwise it's basically the same and lighter and bounces higher when you drop it since there's more plastic. I have both cameras and they are just about equal in fast focusing and resolution and you'll save about $500 over a 10D and the 300D comes with a pretty nice lens.

Steve

[Ferdinand]

Its not the tool, its the person behind it. 8)

Regards,
Ferdinand

[EBOS]

Is it true that the EOS 300D does not have servo AF when shooting in TV ???

Greetz,

EBOS

[Ferdinand]

not true.

false.

regards,

Ferdinand

[fikse]

I have both the 10D and the 300D.... if you don't need the added features of the 10D, then go with the 300D Digital Rebel.... if you have a good lens on the 300D, it will take great pictures...

here are some samples of my 300D with the Canon EF 100-400 IS lens...

http://www.dragtimes.com/canonef100400.php

[EBOS]

GREAT pictures !!!! Have you ever experienced any problems with the 300D when shooting fast moving objects in TV-mode ??? Did it use Servo AF ???

Greetz,

EBOS

[ecobo]

Great photos, Fikse
I've been hesitating what camera to buy (300D or D10), but after your 300D review, i'll buy a 300D for shure. And a 100-400IS USM :-)

Thank you, guys!

[Malaxos1]

I shot my first wedding with the D Rebel testerday and have to say that I am very pleased with the results...Dean

[Ferdinand]

Here is a action shot taken with my 300D.

http://mcauslan.force137.com/gallery/ncva/medium/NCVA%20(4).jpg

Regards,
Ferdinand

[Chris1le]

CyberDyne wrote The "defualt" or "Zero" parameter settings for the 300d are equivelent to +3 saturation, contarast and sharpen on a 10D

Does this mean that if you set the 10D to +3 that the Jpegs will look like the 300D's?

I'm trying to decide between the 300D and 10D and leaning toward the 10D. I've been looking at the photos on PBase taken by both cameras and it seems that the Rebels pictures are sharper and more colorful. I like to do post processing but sometimes I would like some good looking shots straight from the camera. Is this possible with the 10D? :?

Fikse, Those pictures are pretty impressive

[burkdog]

here are some samples of my 300D with the Canon EF 100-400 IS lens...

http://www.dragtimes.com/canonef100400.php


Those are some fancy-ass chickens.

[theoldmoose]

Is it true that the EOS 300D does not have servo AF when shooting in TV ???

Greetz,

EBOS

It runs in AI Focus in Tv mode, which means that it initially statically focuses, but if the camera senses a change in the positioning of the item that it initially focused on, it will switch to Servo. This is known as the 'hand-waving' trick, as some folks have gotten adept at forcing Servo mode in Tv by waving their hand in front of the lens after the initial focus. Note that the camera attempts to resist going into Servo mode superflously (so it doesn't start tracking if someone walks in front of the scene), so your mileage may vary regarding the hand-waving stunt.

On the 300D, full-time Servo focus is selected only in Sports 'picture' (non-Creative zone) mode, which has the unfortunate side-effect (among others) of shutting off the internal flash. Some folks have reported they can get flash in that mode by using a 550EX. I haven't tried that, yet, although I have a 550EX and a Digital Rebel.

If you want/need more flexibility than that, go for the 10D.

[theoldmoose]

The "defualt" or "Zero" parameter settings for the 300d are equivelent to +3 saturation, contarast and sharpen on a 10D.

I believe that is +1, +1, +2 for sat, con, and sharpen, respectively.

In any event, if you select the number '1' preset on the 300D, it reverts to 0, 0, 0 to match the default, or '0' preset on the 10D, which was meant to be quite neutral, or flat in its response, assuming that the photographer was going to post-process all their shots.

All this is moot, IMO, since I shoot in RAW, and adjust to taste afterwards. If you set the camera JPEG settings to taste, though, and shoot in RAW, the Med/Fine JPEG that is produced in-camera will match your settings, and you will still get a RAW file that you can post-process to taste, if you find it neccessary to tweak.

It's unfortunate that the 300D doesn't produce a Large/Fine JPEG in concert with a RAW, but if you are adventurous, the two-byte patched firmware for the 300D will let you change that. Aside from the extra time to write the larger JPEG and RAW to the CF, it may provide the greatest flexibility for someone that tends to nail their images right the 'first time', but could use the backup of a RAW file for the occassion when they wish to salvage an underexposed shot, or some such.

[KO_300D]

Get the 300D

I own one and it's a VERY capable camera. In fact, now I have it I'd be more upset if I lost my camera than if someone lopped my arm off.

This is my favourite picture I've taken with it, although it's not the most interesting. It captures the clarity and ability of the camera.

http://www.tobie.co.uk/Pictures/IMG_62.JPG

I have posted a link instead of the actual picture as the picture can be viewed in full in a browser window to show the detail. If the browser scales the image to fit the screen, click the expand button that appears on the bottom right of the image when you hover over it to get full size.

[theoldmoose]

Sure is a lot of digital noise in that picture.

Were you taking that at some high ISO?

I wouldn't imagine it would look that noisy coming from a 300D until you hit about 800 ISO or higher.

[Ferdinand]

Did some noise removal.

Regards,
Ferdinand

http://mcauslan.force137.com/misc/IMG_62_filtered.jpg