CS2 Output Different from Saved File

[iLuveKetchup]

Hello all. Forgive me for the newb question/topic. Each time I save a CS2 file as jpeg, the saved file is more saturated than the working file in CS2. An example work flow is as follows:
1) Modify exposure, shadow, saturation, & white balance in ACR 3.6.
2) I open the file in CS2 as Adobe 1998 8-bit file.
3) Edit curves, levels, highlights.. etc. in CS2.
4) Save as jpeg w/ maximum quality.
If I open the saved image in CS2 or any other program, the image looks more saturated than the image I was working on. Any clues on what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks in advance!!
- Clyde

[PacAce]

Do you have your monitor calibrated and profiled? If not, the odds are, that is your problem. Calibrate and profile your monitor and see if you are still having the same problem (after you re-edit the image or do a different one).

[iLuveKetchup]

Do you have your monitor calibrated and profiled? If not, the odds are, that is your problem. Calibrate and profile your monitor and see if you are still having the same problem (after you re-edit the image or do a different one).

My monitor is calibrated. & the problem persists.

[Scottes]

When you save as JPG, are you checking the box to include the ICC Profile?

And what color profile do you use as your working space?

[PacAce]

My monitor is calibrated. & the problem persists.

Can we see a screen shot of your PS color settings window?

[Zepher]

I have a similar problem, but my jpegs are desaturated looking.
Images in the Bridge and Photoshop look very vibrant and the jpegs from those look dull.
I have an un-calibrated system, and don't "need" it calibrated, I just need the jpegs to look like they do in photoshop and in the bridge,

[bubbawillums]

i have the same problem also.. I was having a major problem with my printer printing out undersaturated pics too but i seemed to of sorted that out..

[speedracersong]

i thought i was the only one with this problem

[iLuveKetchup]

Can we see a screen shot of your PS color settings window?

Here are my screenshots.

ACR 3.6
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n159/iLuveKetchup/ACR.jpg

CS2
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n159/iLuveKetchup/CS2.jpg

The final jpeg output is more saturated than the working CS2 file.

[PacAce]

Here are my screenshots.

ACR 3.6
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n159/iLuveKetchup/ACR.jpg

CS2
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n159/iLuveKetchup/CS2.jpg

The final jpeg output is more saturated than the working CS2 file.

Your settings seem to be OK so it's obviously not that (or at least not directly).

I played around with PSCS and the only way I could replicate a situation similar to yours where a saved JPEG file comes out looking more saturated than the original is if I convert the image from Adobe RGB to sRGB and then do a save as JPEG without embedding the ICC profile in the image. And then, when it is read into PS again, I get a warning about a missing profile and I select Assign work RGB: Adobe RGB instead of Assign profile: sRGB. Could this be what's happening in your case, too?

[iLuveKetchup]

Your settings seem to be OK so it's obviously not that (or at least not directly).

I played around with PSCS and the only way I could replicate a situation similar to yours where a saved JPEG file comes out looking more saturated than the original is if I convert the image from Adobe RGB to sRGB and then do a save as JPEG without embedding the ICC profile in the image. And then, when it is read into PS again, I get a warning about a missing profile and I select Assign work RGB: Adobe RGB instead of Assign profile: sRGB. Could this be what's happening in your case, too?

I'll check this out as soon as I get home. Thanks a lot for you help!! I'll post the results.

[Scottes]

Profile Mismatch... Ask When Opening is a good thing to check. Otherwise every file without a profile will automatically get assign AdobeRGB in your config, and that's not always the right thing to do.

[PacAce]

Profile Mismatch... Ask When Opening is a good thing to check. Otherwise every file without a profile will automatically get assign AdobeRGB in your config, and that's not always the right thing to do.

Missing profile is covered by a different check box which is checked. :)

[iLuveKetchup]

OK I played around w/ a couple of photos & realized that the images are showing the same quality/color when viewed via CS2. But the saved images, when viewed from a different program i.e. Firefox or uploaded to Smugmug, are saturated a bit.

I'm using Spyder 2 to calibrate my Dell 2405. When working on the CS2 environment, does the CS2 use the ICC profile from Spyder 2 or Adobe 1998?

[Scottes]

This sounds like you should convert to sRGB before viewing in another program.

[PacAce]

This sounds like you should convert to sRGB before viewing in another program.

That's what I would say, too, except for the fact that he says his images are coming out looking more saturated. When images edited in Adobe RGB are not converted to sRGB before being saved as JPEG files, they come out looking duller than the original. And this is what's bafling. The only times I've experienced or heard of a similar problem were 1) the monitor was not calibrated and profiled and 2) the sRGB ICC profile itself got corrupted. In the case of #2, the personal experiencing the problem had calibrated his monitor and instead of saving it under a different name, he saved is using the sRGB name. He was able to remedy the problem by reinstalling PS which reinstalled the original version of the sRGB profile on the system again.

[René Damkot]

I have a similar problem, but my jpegs are desaturated looking.
Images in the Bridge and Photoshop look very vibrant and the jpegs from those look dull.

That's what I would say, too, except for the fact that he says his images are coming out looking more saturated. When images edited in Adobe RGB are not converted to sRGB before being saved as JPEG files, they come out looking duller than the original. And this is what's bafling. The only times I've experienced or heard of a similar problem were 1) the monitor was not calibrated and profiled and 2) the sRGB ICC profile itself got corrupted. In the case of #2, the personal experiencing the problem had calibrated his monitor and instead of saving it under a different name, he saved is using the sRGB name. He was able to remedy the problem by reinstalling PS which reinstalled the original version of the sRGB profile on the system again.

This is the problem Zepher is having though... The other programs he is using are not color managed...

My guess in the case of iLuveKetchup, is that something is wrong with the monitor profile...

I'm using Spyder 2 to calibrate my Dell 2405. When working on the CS2 environment, does the CS2 use the ICC profile from Spyder 2 or Adobe 1998?

CS2 is automatically using the monitor profile for displaying images. AdobeRGB is a working space, and can be set in the color prefs.

[Zepher]

what should I set my CS2 at so that what I see in Photoshop and Bridge looks the same as in my browser or ACDSee?

[René Damkot]

If you convert your files to sRGB, a non color managed app. will display roughly the same as in a color managed one. There is *no way* to get exactly the same looks and still work color managed...
(And if you don't color manage, you will have no idea whatsoever how a file will look on a different computer)

[speedracersong]

i dont mean to hijack the thread but im having similar problems.
my process.
1) i open my raw file in cs2
2) i mess with the settings to my liking
3) i save to jpeg
4) I open up easy photoprint software that came with my canon 6700d printer
5) I proceed to print.

Now the problem is. The raw file i manipulated does not look like the jpeg. however the pictures i printed out looks like the jpeg. i have opened up my jpeg in firefox, microsoft picture... the colors are consistant with the colors on the print.

so i think the problem is with the settings in cs2. how can i change the settings?

[PacAce]

i dont mean to hijack the thread but im having similar problems.
my process.
1) i open my raw file in cs2
2) i mess with the settings to my liking
3) i save to jpeg
4) I open up easy photoprint software that came with my canon 6700d printer
5) I proceed to print.

Now the problem is. The raw file i manipulated does not look like the jpeg. however the pictures i printed out looks like the jpeg. i have opened up my jpeg in firefox, microsoft picture... the colors are consistant with the colors on the print.

so i think the problem is with the settings in cs2. how can i change the settings?
What working color space are you using in CS2 for editing?

[speedracersong]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v732/bsong/dfs.jpg

[PacAce]

i dont mean to hijack the thread but im having similar problems.
my process.
1) i open my raw file in cs2
2) i mess with the settings to my liking
3) i save to jpeg
4) I open up easy photoprint software that came with my canon 6700d printer
5) I proceed to print.

Now the problem is. The raw file i manipulated does not look like the jpeg. however the pictures i printed out looks like the jpeg. i have opened up my jpeg in firefox, microsoft picture... the colors are consistant with the colors on the print.

so i think the problem is with the settings in cs2. how can i change the settings?
In between steps 2 and 3, you need to do an Image > Mode > Convert to Profile and convert Adobe RGB to sRGB.

[speedracersong]

hi pacace. thank you for helping me with this. i tried looking for convert to profile and i could not locate it.

raw
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v732/bsong/Untitled-1.jpg
jpeg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v732/bsong/Untitled-2.jpg

[René Damkot]

It's in the 'Edit' menu.

[PacAce]

It's in the 'Edit' menu.
Oops! I forgot that the some of the Image menu options were moved to the Edit menu with CS2. Thanks, René.

[speedracersong]

ok i changed it.
i realized my problem. the colors are all off in cs2. how do i change it to match the colors of firefox, microsoft picture, etc.. cause the colors look all the same in the other programs except for cs2. even when i compare print, the colors look the same on any other program except for cs2.

[René Damkot]

CS2 is the only one of tose programs being color managed. What you see in PS should be most reliable...
Is your monitor calibrated? What are your settings in PS? All the usual questions ;)

[speedracersong]

my monitor isn't calibrated...
i only ask this because my printed photos look almost the same as the one i see in firefox or microsoft picture viewer.
there is a noticible difference from my printed photos to cs2

[iLuveKetchup]

I noticed that when I save w/ "save as" (crtl+shift+s), my pictures come more saturated than the working file in CS2. But when I save w/ "save for web" (crtl+shift+alt+s) the picture looks exactly the same in Firefox, IE, etc... as in CS2. Anyone know why?

Thanks again for all your help guys!!!

[RgB]

Hello all. Forgive me for the newb question/topic. Each time I save a CS2 file as jpeg, the saved file is more saturated than the working file in CS2. An example work flow is as follows:
1) Modify exposure, shadow, saturation, & white balance in ACR 3.6.
2) I open the file in CS2 as Adobe 1998 8-bit file.
3) Edit curves, levels, highlights.. etc. in CS2.
4) Save as jpeg w/ maximum quality.
If I open the saved image in CS2 or any other program, the image looks more saturated than the image I was working on. Any clues on what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks in advance!!
- Clyde

Convert the the images to sRGB or do it in camera.

Leaving it in Adobe RGB can make other Applications display it uncalibrated, specially on IE browsers.

Make sure your proof set up is on Windows monitor.