Canon 1D MKIII New Info from Korea

[Tim Larson]

Northlights has posted a new rumor from Korea on a new 1D MK III to be announced/come out in January of '07.
Here is a summary from the garbled Babblefish translation:

Canon EOS 1D Mark III: 12Mp, x1.2 and DIGIC III, 8,5fps 25 raw frames in the buffer, dust removal, grip may be detachable, SD+CF and Wifi. (2007 January) - 3000Eur AF improvements, photometry improvements and iso to 3200.
Possible JPG processing improvements.

Here is the link: http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/Canon_1DS_MkIII.html

If this is close to being accurate, I'm stoked and ready to go. I'm not so sure the 1.2 crop sounds right but it's not completely out of the realm of possibility.

Tim
www.tampasportsphotography.com (http://www.tampasportsphotography.com)

[joegolf68]

Edited to add: I was thinking the III N the whole time I read all of the above and the lin. Are we actually talking about teh Mk III and not the Mk III N? I hope not, but I am lost????


I love some of the translation stuff.... such as: "The 1:1 reed B causes to defecate with the supply elder brother and the middle class elder brother and from the fact that it will come out"

I have been SOOOO waiting for any news on this, even rumors are fun! Everything sound reasonable, and worth buying. The techie math folks here will probably be able to decipher if 1.2 crop is mathematically possible, way over my pay grade though.

From what I read, and it makes sense, the III N will be out in January and the 40D in April. Sounds more believable to me than if they said both would be out in April, or January. Not sure what a digic III would mean? I am WAY disappointed if the III N continues the questionable practice of having both SD and CF card options. WHY? Makes it annoying to have to deal with two formats, for no apparent reason. I prefer the CF, but I could live with SD if they went to that as the sole standard. With this out now, I hope all the rumor boards will start chiming in, and maybe some of the insiders will feel more comfortable leaking rumors. I've read here several times that Canon lets rumors out about a month before a release, which makes sense for the IIIN but not the 40D.

Can't wait for the announcement, and if this is what comes out, I will be first in line for the IIIN.

[joegolf68]

Added again: This can't be the ugrade to anything but the IIN right? Otherwise it reduces the MP. I get worked up about almost anything, so this has me going big time! ;)

[Sprout Crumble]

I'd love this to be real. Despite the N refresh, the 1d2 is in more need of an upgrade than the 1dS2. Just more rumours though.

[radiohead]

Why would the grip be detachable?

Every camera I've used with a grip has felt less certain and solid than one with a built-in one.

[CoolToolGuy]

Why would the grip be detachable?

Every camera I've used with a grip has felt less certain and solid than one with a built-in one.

I don't put much faith in this particular rumor. Can you imagine the size of the fingergrip if the NC-E2 battery or its replacement had to fit into a body without a battery grip? :shock:

Have Fun,

[mrclark321]

Lots of people waiting so the rumours will start flying :)

[jiggling_john]

12mp? 1.2 crop...
rubbish.

Canon will not abandon full frame. End of. Wait till the end of the month for the real release.

[willg]

12mp? 1.2 crop...
rubbish.

Canon will not abandon full frame. End of. Wait till the end of the month for the real release.

this is a replacement for the 1d not the 1ds...where in the world does that mean they are abandoning full frame?

I don't put much faith in this particular rumor. Can you imagine the size of the fingergrip if the NC-E2 battery or its replacement had to fit into a body without a battery grip?

Have Fun,

maybe they will come out with a better battery

[Tom W]

maybe they will come out with a better battery


And hopefully, if the mount is detachable, a more significant mounting scheme (like dual threaded screws) to make it as substantial as the 1-series is now. Even the 5D & grip, while good, isn't as solid in feel as the 1D series with the single cast outer shell.

[Juan Zas]

If you look over different Canon Web sites (Europe, USA) only the two 1Ds models are available in the product catalog. Time to replace the 1D 8.2 Mp x1.3 crop ?

[Mike Philippens]

I am WAY disappointed if the III N continues the questionable practice of having both SD and CF card options. WHY? Makes it annoying to have to deal with two formats, for no apparent reason. I prefer the CF, but I could live with SD if they went to that as the sole standard.
I don't understand your problem with that. You can choose what you want to use and it is good to have the backup possibillity in case something goes wrong with either card. If you don't want to use SD or CF, just don't. It doesn't bother you, does it?
And if in future a SD-Only camera comes out, you just buy some new SD's. Compared to the price of a 1D, it's nothing.

I can't see any use for a detachable grip and/or the dust removal stuff. The grip is one of the best things on the 1D; it hold perfectly in my hands. I'm not sure if all pro's are waiting on a compact model. They could buy a 5D as backup body to shoot more inconspicuous...
And the dust removal thingy is one of the most useless features in years. Don't think any pro is waiting on a component that can break or adds any delay in working with the camera. And it only helps for a the small/light dust. You still need to use other measures to remove the sticky stuff.

[JX]

Originally Posted by joegolf68
I am WAY disappointed if the III N continues the questionable practice of having both SD and CF card options. WHY? Makes it annoying to have to deal with two formats, for no apparent reason. I prefer the CF, but I could live with SD if they went to that as the sole standard.


Sorry …. I totally disagree. Having a SD card as a backup has save me a few times. I was covering a football game for a newspaper I freelance for. The sport editor wanted some winner and looser shots. My CF card was full toward the last few minutes of the game. This was a championship game. I had no time to go back to my case and get a new CF card. I always keep an extra 2GB SD card in my camera. I switched to my SD card and was able to get some good emotional images of the winning team which made front page.

Having two slots it a great feature and I hope they keep it.

[Mike Philippens]

Having two slots it a great feature and I hope they keep it.

And I hope you also learned that you have to come prepared... ;) Always have enough film/cards with you (as in: withing reach) to keep you going long enough. Same with batteries...

[Mikelangelo]

And I hope you also learned that you have to come prepared... ;) Always have enough film/cards with you (as in: withing reach) to keep you going long enough. Same with batteries...

Agreed. My friend and I have talked about this as he's a Nikon photog and some Nikons are switching to SD (or have both SD and CF, I can't remember)... and we couldn't figure out why they would do that. I do have a couple of theories, however...

SD is smaller.
1. Allows for more room in the body for other things, without sacrificing disk space.
2. SD is significantly cheaper right now (drives me nuts)
3. This is a guess...but makes for easier/cheaper production??

I just don't want to have to go out and replace all my CF cards in one fell swoop... so if the camera supports both... I'd be cool with that... I can still use my CF, then.

'course, I wouldn't mind a couple of CF slots, either. I could go twice as long without switching cards... eh... whatever.

[basroil]

SD is smaller.
1. Allows for more room in the body for other things, without sacrificing disk space.
2. SD is significantly cheaper right now (drives me nuts)
3. This is a guess...but makes for easier/cheaper production??


sd is smaller, but the capacitiesare smaller. as for space in the body, right now there's still a lot of empty space. it would much better to use composite materials in the frame in order to increase the size rather than remove components (1/2 the thickness, twice the strength). sd is not cheaper though. for an sd card of comparable size and speed, the price advantage goes to neither of them. yes, sd readers are easier to build (slide contacts compared to pins), but they aren't that much cheaper considering canon already has the machines for building both. the main reason against sd is in speed. SLR cameras (at least post-entry level ones) are used by professionals who require the most out of their cameras. on a nice, 8gb card, you can only get a decent speed on CF, as sdhc supports 4-6mb/s MAX..

[Mike Philippens]

considering canon already has the machines for building both
So you really think Canon produces everything that's in their camera's themselves? I'm sure it's way cheaper to buy them of some company who rolls out 100.000 reader assemblies per day.

At this moment, Canon only uses the SD's in the pro camera's as a backup card. So the whole discussion is academic. They didn't put a SD slot in the 350D, 400D, 30D, 5D for all too obvious reasons (that you mention yourself). The second card option in the form of a SD card in de 1 series is brilliant. You have backup or a spare. If you don't want to use it, don't. CF will stay the card of choice for reasons of speed and capacity. At this moment. Is see no reason for SD cards not to be as fast as CF and to become available in the same (or higher) capacities. It's just a matter of economics. When it becomes economically sound to do so, they will appear on the market. That will be the time Canon will move to SD.

[superdiver]

I KNEW I was waiting for a reason... I hope that most of those rumors are true....LOL

[Mikelangelo]

sd is smaller, but the capacitiesare smaller. as for space in the body, right now there's still a lot of empty space. it would much better to use composite materials in the frame in order to increase the size rather than remove components (1/2 the thickness, twice the strength). sd is not cheaper though. for an sd card of comparable size and speed, the price advantage goes to neither of them. yes, sd readers are easier to build (slide contacts compared to pins), but they aren't that much cheaper considering canon already has the machines for building both. the main reason against sd is in speed. SLR cameras (at least post-entry level ones) are used by professionals who require the most out of their cameras. on a nice, 8gb card, you can only get a decent speed on CF, as sdhc supports 4-6mb/s MAX..

OOOOhhh.. the speed is a good point... hadn't thought of that. That's what I get for talking about things that I barely know anything about! :oops:

[Longwatcher]

Just a quick comment
The SDHC class rating indicates minimum sustained speed not maximum.
The Sandisk Ultra II/SDHC cards appear to go at normal Ultra II speeds not the class speed they are rated for.

However most of the other SDHC cards appear to be slower and closer to their class ratings at least as far as I have been able to research.

And as far as I can tell, the 'Transcend SDHC class 6' cards and 'Sandisk ultra II/SDHC' cards are the only ones that have decent speeds that can keep up with my shooting.

I wish they would all list their minimum and maximum speeds in MB/s so I could actually compare them in some reasonable fashion, but they all seem to have adopted the class rating as a means of comparison and it is a useless piece of drivel to me to use in comparison as NONE of the three class rating available appear to meet my needs.

[joegolf68]

Sorry …. I totally disagree. Having a SD card as a backup has save me a few times. I was covering a football game for a newspaper I freelance for. The sport editor wanted some winner and looser shots. My CF card was full toward the last few minutes of the game. This was a championship game. I had no time to go back to my case and get a new CF card. I always keep an extra 2GB SD card in my camera. I switched to my SD card and was able to get some good emotional images of the winning team which made front page.

Having two slots it a great feature and I hope they keep it.


??? You miss the point. I like the idea of two slots, but why not make them both the ame type card? THAT is what doesn't make any sense. READ!

[joegolf68]

[quote=Mike Philippens;2481940]
And if in future a SD-Only camera comes out, you just buy some new SD's. Compared to the price of a 1D, it's nothing./quote]

As is the speed of the SD, NOTHING!

[JX]

joegolf68 wrote:
You miss the point. I like the idea of two slots, but why not make them both the ame type card? THAT is what doesn't make any sense. READ!


Joe, that’s a good point.

So I took a look at the memory slots inside my IDmk2. I think it would be a tight fit to have two CF slots. The SD slot takes up less room. This is just my opinion, but I would invite other 1Dmk2 owners to take a look and see what they think. It may have been cheaper to just put a SD slot in than redesigning the camera.

Jim

[joegolf68]

I'd prefer CF as they are now faster, but I could live with either, as long as they were the same. With two, you/I would need another downloader. Tat doesn't cost much, but it just the idea of juggling two different standards when it shouldn't be that way, IMHO. I'm glad you at least got the point I was making. Annoying, the smugness of someone who doesn't even read correctly. I enjoy differing views, but only when they have my view correctly. Well, rumors have it as still one CF and one SD. Go fiure, but you may have guessed correctly, it is about the extra room two CF cards would take, as CF is larger.

[Mike Philippens]

And if in future a SD-Only camera comes out, you just buy some new SD's. Compared to the price of a 1D, it's nothing./quote]
As is the speed of the SD, NOTHING!
Like I said in a previous post, there's no technical reason why they shouldn't get faster. CF was terribly slow some time ago; technology evolves. In a couple of months there will be SD's that are quicker. Inside, it's all the same, just a bit smaller. Just the fact that it's slower now, doesn't mean that it'll always be slower...

[joegolf68]

Like I said in a previous post, there's no technical reason why they shouldn't get faster. CF was terribly slow some time ago; technology evolves. In a couple of months there will be SD's that are quicker. Inside, it's all the same, just a bit smaller. Just the fact that it's slower now, doesn't mean that it'll always be slower...
Nor a guarantee they will get faster. The Sandisk Extreme IV can handle anything thrown at it now, or in the foreseeable future. As I said, I could live with either, but only one format would be better, and since CF already makes a card as fast as could be handled by anything out there, it makes sense to go with that.

[CoolToolGuy]

I'd prefer CF as they are now faster,

Nor a guarantee they will get faster. The Sandisk Extreme IV can handle anything thrown at it now, or in the foreseeable future. As I said, I could live with either, but only one format would be better, and since CF already makes a card as fast as could be handled by anything out there, it makes sense to go with that.


Really? Rob Galbraith disagrees:

http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=6007-8200

Just to summarize, in the 1D MKII N, a Sandisk Ultra II SD card is faster than an Extreme IV CF card. The Extreme III SD card is faster yet.

I used to be a CF card bigot, but it is clear to me that SD is the future, both for size and speed. My thoughts are that the pro cameras have both slots to smooth the transition and give them extra life when SD becomes the new standard.

Have Fun,

[farrukh]

Really? Rob Galbraith disagrees:

http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=6007-8200

Just to summarize, in the 1D MKII N, a Sandisk Ultra II SD card is faster than an Extreme IV CF card. The Extreme III SD card is faster yet.

I used to be a CF card bigot, but it is clear to me that SD is the future, both for size and speed. My thoughts are that the pro cameras have both slots to smooth the transition and give them extra life when SD becomes the new standard.

Have Fun,

Another good thing about SD cards is that they are easy to inset into slot. where CF need some care when inserting into slot. I've seen a guy who damaged few pins in this process.

[scokar]

Having dropped both, for me, SD cards are harder to find and a bit more difficult to handle than CF due to their smaller size.

[martook]

Really? Rob Galbraith disagrees:

http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=6007-8200

Just to summarize, in the 1D MKII N, a Sandisk Ultra II SD card is faster than an Extreme IV CF card. The Extreme III SD card is faster yet.

I used to be a CF card bigot, but it is clear to me that SD is the future, both for size and speed. My thoughts are that the pro cameras have both slots to smooth the transition and give them extra life when SD becomes the new standard.


Well, fortunatly Rob knows also know why that is:
http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/content_page.asp?cid=7-7896-8475

You are missing one huge frikkin point here. NO DSLR:s on the market now have a CF card reader (well, writer then...) with the hardware support needed to get the full potential out of these cards. Medium format backs has it already, and I'm pretty sure next generation of DSLR's (at least pro models) will have it as well.

The Extreme IV card DOES beat every SD card out there to little pieces, just look at the data transfer speed you get when reading from it. :eek:

[Citizensmith]

The Extreme IV card DOES beat every SD card out there to little pieces, just look at the data transfer speed you get when reading from it. :eek:

I think the issue though is in camera, how fast does the buffer clear to the card. Sure, the Extreme IV card in a dedicated Extreme IV reader and using a computer with "just the right mix of hardware" whatever that means works faster than a squirrel on speed. Unless Canon make the CF slot in the cameras the same speed though it kind of academic. I'm not it a hurry when I'm offloading, I just want the buffer to be empty. :)

[joegolf68]

I used to be a CF card bigot, but it is clear to me that SD is the future, both for size and speed. My thoughts are that the pro cameras have both slots to smooth the transition and give them extra life when SD becomes the new standard.

Not me, as I said, I an live with either or. If the SD is now faster, than lets go to that. I just don't prefer to have two different formats in one camera. So if you are looking for an argument, try someone else, or read my posts again. :rolleyes:

[joegolf68]

Having dropped both, for me, SD cards are harder to find and a bit more difficult to handle than CF due to their smaller size.

They are more difficult for me to handle, I have big hands and poor eyes. lol

[martook]

I think the issue though is in camera, how fast does the buffer clear to the card.
...
Unless Canon make the CF slot in the cameras the same speed though it kind of academic.
...



Isn't that exactly what I wrote!? :D
The current DSLRs doesn't have the hardware support, but next gen most likely will... and THEN it will beat the SD cards.

[CoolToolGuy]

I think the issue though is in camera, how fast does the buffer clear to the card. Sure, the Extreme IV card in a dedicated Extreme IV reader and using a computer with "just the right mix of hardware" whatever that means works faster than a squirrel on speed. Unless Canon make the CF slot in the cameras the same speed though it kind of academic. I'm not it a hurry when I'm offloading, I just want the buffer to be empty. :)

Thank you - that is my priority as well. I have time to load the cards to my PC, but the faster it clears in the camera, the faster my FPS is. ;)

Have Fun,

[CoolToolGuy]

Not me, as I said, I an live with either or. If the SD is now faster, than lets go to that. I just don't prefer to have two different formats in one camera. So if you are looking for an argument, try someone else, or read my posts again. :rolleyes:

You mean like the one where you hijacked a Lightroom thread for a MarkIII rumor? http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=2497424&postcount=2

No thanks, once is enough - I'll stand by my post - and my spelling. :rolleyes: ;)

Have Fun,

[CoolToolGuy]

Isn't that exactly what I wrote!? :D
The current DSLRs doesn't have the hardware support, but next gen most likely will... and THEN it will beat the SD cards.

So what incentive is there for the manufacturers to wait for the CF hardware support to come up to speed, when the SD support is already onboard and the card slot is smaller and easier to design around?

I like CF cards - truly - and I appreciate the ease of handling of its size, but technology marches on.

Protective filter/no protective filter; crop sensor/full frame; and now CompactFlash/SecureDigital - the arguments have begun. :D

Have Fun,

[Citizensmith]

and THEN it will beat the SD cards.

Assuming there are no technological improvements to SD which there obviously will. The current limitations to anything never last. I mean look at the BluRay, HDDVD war. Its barely even started and some company in Germany has just started selling a recorded that dumps 300Gb onto a disc the size of a DVD. Once they start licensing that technology to some of the bigger players the war will be over before its even been decided.

To be honest though I don't really care. Every device aside from my camera seems to use SD so I just recently picked up some more. $25 for 2Gb Sandisk regular cards, no rebates. At that price (and I realise Ultra, etc would be more) it really wouldn't be a big deal to switch.

[blackshadow]

Whether it is CF or SD is not really relevant when you consider the price of a 1D series camera - I don't mind having the mix of both to be honest.

This thread seems to have degenerated into a discussion re the merits of CF vs SD cards rather than what may or may not be in what may or may not be a new Canon DSLR.

[Citizensmith]

This thread seems to have degenerated into a discussion re the merits of CF vs SD cards rather than what may or may not be in what may or may not be a new Canon DSLR.

Very true, it is getting kind of off track. I think the problem is the lack of any more info about the possible 1D Mk3

[joegolf68]

[quote=CoolToolGuy;2498165]You mean like the one where you hijacked a Lightroom thread for a MarkIII rumor? http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=2497424&postcount=2
quote]

I'm not here to argue with you or anyone else. I think this should be a fun place to come. I sent you a PM saying we can put each other on our ignore lists so as not to disturb an otherwise wonderful Forum. For whatever I did to you, I surely am sorry, as I am here for enjoyment.

Here is the post immediately prior to mine that you site that I hijacked.

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?p=2497424#post2497424

Here is what I see now as the entire thread: mine and the OP who mentioned the Mark III.

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=258749&highlight=lightroom+release

Why are you being so nasty? Peace, and enjoy life and this site.


???

Joe

[Accentor]

I think they should use Memory Stick Pro so that my Vaio laptop can read them without camera or card reader!!! :p:rolleyes::lol:

Colin

P.S. Only joking, so don't jump.

[jiggling_john]

this is a replacement for the 1d not the 1ds...where in the world does that mean they are abandoning full frame?



maybe they will come out with a better battery


still rubbish, there will not be a 1d crop camera... In fact, the most likely thing to happen is there will only be one 1d model, both cameras will get merged...

[pcasciola]

Who ever thought supporting both memory card formats in a camera would lead to such a debate. Canon engineers must be laughing over this one. "Look, we gave them both and they are still arguing about it". :D

I doubt these specs are true, but if they are I'll be first on the waiting list.

The 1.2x is interesting, and not out of the realm of possibility. 1.2x crop at 12MP is extremely close to the same pixel density as the 1Ds Mk II, so it's possible they have selected this crop factor to retain the speed of the 1D while inching closer to full frame.

[pcasciola]

still rubbish, there will not be a 1d crop camera... In fact, the most likely thing to happen is there will only be one 1d model, both cameras will get merged...Have you not seen the 1D Mk II and 1D Mk II N? They are both 1D crop cameras. 1.3x crop to be exact.

[Accentor]

Have you not seen the 1D Mk II and 1D Mk II N? They are both 1D crop cameras. 1.3x crop to be exact.

Just beat me to it - he doesn't know what he's talking about.

Colin

[jiggling_john]

oh dear...

not once have i said these aren't crop cameras.

what i HAVE said is they won't be in any future models.

after all, this is all about future models isnt it.

Your eagerness to flame beat you to a sensible reply did it not.

[Accentor]

What?

[Kickstart]

Hi

While there is nothing I am desperate for, I do wonder what toys they could add for nominal costs.

Maybe a GPS receiver so that position can be recorded in the EXIF data.

Maybe a bluetooth setup to allow easy exporting of images to another device (although I suppose it would be too slow for large scale use).

As to the SD / CF issue, happy to have both. And looking at the high spec Kingston cards it seems their SD cards are faster than their CF cards

All the best

Keith

[dufferin]

I'd like 16bits, and easy mirror lock-up.
That's all I need.

[joegolf68]

Let me show my ignorance, again. If the camera is built with wireless capabilities for direct downloading to my computer, or I might have to buy a new computer with that capability, and the exchange rate is fast, having both cards won't matter at all for me. I'd just buy the fastest two cards of maybe 4mb size, and never take them out of the camera anyway. SD is tough for me due to bad eyes and big hands, but it isn't the issue to end all issues. I still can't believe that one can't fire a shot via a wireless capability without buying an adapter, and having to dangle more cords and appliances from the camera itself. That would be a great improvement, built in wireless shutter actuation. At least for me.

If they can add to a total of 10 MP or 12 MP, that seems like a great thing if it would actually improve IQ and not raise noise. As I said, I am not afraid to admit my engineering ignorance, or photography ignorance, I try to learn more every day, so if my posts are stupid, like this one, I apologize in advance.

If Canon can make some of thee improvements, and also cut down some of the weight, the best of all worlds. I agree with those above who say 8 fps is enough. Yep, if I needed much more I'd buy a video camera. As I've been saying, I think the Mark II N is the most awesome camera in the world, I only hold out for a replacement so as to have the latest and greatest, as Canon does have a track record of making improvements on each camera, even if it is small and incremental at times.

And above, where someone is so harsh on another poster who posted incorrect info, come on, many of us are here to learn, and you more informative folks should be like teachers, not bosses who jump on those of us with less abilities and/or knowledge. Otherwise, ignorant folks like me would be to afraid to post questions or opinions.

And to beat the same old drum, I would beg Canon to improve the user interface for ease of use. My two cents.

[Tim Larson]

More info over at North-lights.com. You will see a summary showing that Canon tends to make major announcements about 3-5 days before PMA. PMA starts March 8th, so I can't wait until March 5th! It's a Monday, so it makes sense. It also makes sense for them to announce the pro models during a photog related show rather that a consumer show like CES.
I do hope I'm made a fool of by Canon announcing something before CES is over though. I'm shooting with a 20D now and figure that I may as well wait for the 1D MKII replacement.

[CoolToolGuy]

Just to go slightly OT: It appears that Canon is introducing only their new camcorders at CES. That makes sense from the perspective that they can keep the focus on one product line at the show.

Also, past history indicates that Canon puts out all of their announcements prior to or at the beginning of the show, not part way into it.

So it looks like the next announcements will come as part of PMA.

Have Fun,

[Accentor]

More info over at North-lights.com. You will see a summary showing that Canon tends to make major announcements about 3-5 days before PMA. PMA starts March 8th, so I can't wait until March 5th! It's a Monday, so it makes sense. It also makes sense for them to announce the pro models during a photog related show rather that a consumer show like CES.
I do hope I'm made a fool of by Canon announcing something before CES is over though. I'm shooting with a 20D now and figure that I may as well wait for the 1D MKII replacement.

Tim,

I am desperate to hear that the 1D Mk III will be announced, but I now doubt it. I had not realised that the 1D Mk IIn was only launched in August 2005 - I can't really see them doing anything to it this year. My money is on the 40D appearing this March.

I want a 1D Mk III with Digic III and 12mp ASAP!!

Colin

[terry44]

Tim,

I am desperate to hear that the 1D Mk III will be announced, but I now doubt it. I had not realised that the 1D Mk IIn was only launched in August 2005 - I can't really see them doing anything to it this year. My money is on the 40D appearing this March.

I want a 1D Mk III with Digic III and 12mp ASAP!!

Colin

But because it was an 'n' version, the more significant date is the release of the 1D MK II. The 'n' is a stop gap rather than major new model.

[Accentor]

But because it was an 'n' version, the more significant date is the release of the 1D MK II. The 'n' is a stop gap rather than major new model.

Do you know what that date is Terry?

[racketman]

Do you know what that date is Terry?

Sep 21, 2004 so its ancient.

[Accentor]

Sep 21, 2004 so its ancient.

Thanks, will hang on in there then to see what transpires.

Colin

[Canuck]

The 1.2x is interesting, and not out of the realm of possibility. 1.2x crop at 12MP is extremely close to the same pixel density as the 1Ds Mk II, so it's possible they have selected this crop factor to retain the speed of the 1D while inching closer to full frame.

Ahh, the incremental release of technology, ain't it wonderful? I wonder what they are really brewing? I elude to the kinda stopgap that was the 1DMkIIN, whilst an improvement, not an overhaul like from the 1D(s) to the 1D(s) MkII(N). This is the main reason along with it being too expenive to upgrade each time they release a new model. Imagine this flow 10D--->1D(perhaps)--->1DMkII--->1DMkIIN--->(next model here). Although, that said, yes there are limitations on the 10D I have and it is frustrating at times and yes it is almost 4 years old, but it is still capable of taking great pics. I had one recently I can print a 13x19! I'm sure there are more, but that's the only one that comes to mind. Perhaps this is what separates the men from the boys. Yes eventually I'd like to jump into the 1 series, but for now the 10D is doing fine.

[SunTsu]

More info over at North-lights.com. You will see a summary showing that Canon tends to make major announcements about 3-5 days before PMA. PMA starts March 8th, so I can't wait until March 5th! It's a Monday, so it makes sense. It also makes sense for them to announce the pro models during a photog related show rather that a consumer show like CES.
I do hope I'm made a fool of by Canon announcing something before CES is over though. I'm shooting with a 20D now and figure that I may as well wait for the 1D MKII replacement.

Assuming new bodies are announced at PMA, does anyone have a decent idea of when the new bodies would land on retail shelves?

[CoolToolGuy]

Assuming new bodies are announced at PMA, does anyone have a decent idea of when the new bodies would land on retail shelves?

If there are "1" series introductions, it is hard to tell - they might be available "right away" (1 month or so), or they may be a couple months out.

For Prosumer and consumer cameras, my guess is no later than May 1.

Lenses are also hard to predict - sometimes they are a couple months out.

Have Fun,

[Hellashot]

still rubbish, there will not be a 1d crop camera... In fact, the most likely thing to happen is there will only be one 1d model, both cameras will get merged...

No. Canon recently released that this will NOT be happening. They will stay as 2 cameras.

[pcasciola]

After that post I will definitely have to hold off on my 1DMkIIN purchase to see what this might be. I'd love to have a 3" LCD, and I'd kick myself if I bought it and a new version was announced a month later.

[sboerup]

I think a detacheable grip would be really dumb. I like my 5D and all with the option of both, but if I want complete water-sealing I don't see it happening with a detach. Maybe a 1 series with an optional grip, but I don't see it before the current model setup.

A 3D (smaller than 1 series, but with grip) would be excellent, and make a new grip molding as it's too skinny for me. 12mp with 8.5fps would rock, higher DR and better battery system is a plus. An effective dust removal would be great, but not at the sacrifice of potential problems.

[René Damkot]

I think a detacheable grip would be really dumb. I like my 5D and all with the option of both, but if I want complete water-sealing I don't see it happening with a detach.
The Eos 1V seems to manage quite well...