1Ds and 1DMarkII comparison?

[SnJPhoto]

I'm looking over the specs for the 2 cameras and trying to see the "BIG" differences, but maybe I'm missing something. You pay $2500 additional for 3megapixels more, and 5 FPS less? Am I missing something here? I was considering the 1Ds, but this doesn't make sense..... Hmmm....maybe I need to jump on the Mark2 order list instead..

Scott

[KennyG]

WIth the 1Ds you are paying for a full-frame sensor, probably one of the best sensors around and the most expensive to make. The 1Ds was designed as a studio camera and as such the frame rate isn't a killer feature.

There are far too many people getting hung up on megapixels, why?

[SnJPhoto]

I agree, I'm not so hung up on the pixels. I'm not sure how long they will be able to sustain the prices on the 1Ds now. I have noticed that the B&H price dropped a chunk. Thanks for confirming my 1st look. I though I missed something big.

Scott

[Guillermo Freige]

You probably are missing the big picture (literally speaking :)). The 1Ds excels in one area: true wideangle shots!. Because the lack of crop factor (it's a full frame camera) a 14mm lens still is a 14mm, not a 18 as in the 1D (both of them) or a 22 as in the 10d/300D. So if you REALLY need those ultrawideangle shots, or the 11MP, the 1Ds has no contest. Otherwise, the 1DMkII probably will be a better camera.

Guillermo

[CyberDyneSystems]

You right,, that's it!

The 1Ds has exactly TWO specs which are superior to the MkII

11MP Vs. 8MP
Full frame sensor Vs. 1.3X crop

If you are a telephoto shooter,. then neither of these may matter.. certainly 1.3X won't matter,. but (and this we won't know untill the Camera is relaesed and more tests are done)

..but with the 1.3X sized sensor the MkII's pixel density is higher as well,. so for a telephoto user,. the 1.3X frame will contain more pixles than the same crop out of the 1Ds image.

So for users like myself,. there is NO spec that the 1Ds has that is superior to the MkII.

[SnJPhoto]

Well, glad to see I'm not really too blind. Thanks for the replies.....now I just have to wait for the 1D2 to get delivered (ordered after the responses , just in case I missed something).


Scott

[Belmondo]

I never figured I'd make the leap from 1.6X crop factor to full-frame in one quantum leap. Sure enough, here comes the 1D Mk II, and along withi it, a 1.3X crop factor. It will cause some reconsideration of my lens choices, especially at the long end, but I'm really looking forward to having a 17mm lens that gives an honest-to-goodness 22mm wide angle. Unfortunately, my 100-400L and 400 f/5.6 lose the imaginary 640mm focal length and become 520s instead. I can live with that.

I haven't done the math yet, but it seems like pixel density is still higher on the 10D. If anybody already knows the answer to that one, I'd appreciate knowing before I bust my brain trying to do the arithmetic.

Anyway, I'm really looking forward to getting it.

What a rush.

Thos.

[defordphoto]

Unfortunately, my 100-400L and 400 f/5.6 lose the imaginary 640mm focal length and become 520s instead.

A few clicks in Photoshop and you can easily get that 1.6 crop back. No problemo. ;) You're not losing a thing.

[PacAce]

I haven't done the math yet, but it seems like pixel density is still higher on the 10D. If anybody already knows the answer to that one, I'd appreciate knowing before I bust my brain trying to do the arithmetic.

Anyway, I'm really looking forward to getting it.

What a rush.

Thos.

10D = 135 px/mm
1DII = 122 px/mm
1Ds = 113.5 px/mm

[Belmondo]

I haven't done the math yet, but it seems like pixel density is still higher on the 10D. If anybody already knows the answer to that one, I'd appreciate knowing before I bust my brain trying to do the arithmetic.

Anyway, I'm really looking forward to getting it.

What a rush.

Thos.

10D = 135 px/mm
1DII = 122 px/mm
1Ds = 113.5 px/mm

Thanks, Leo. That would've given me a headache for sure.

Thos.

[CyberDyneSystems]

Yes, the 10D does have the higher pixel density,. so theoretical that density combined with the 1.6x should give the densist, highest res crop but,.. will it give the best image quality?

This is where theory may not jibe with fact.. as the 1Ds crops to a 1.6X sensor equivelent look damn fine indeed.

A higher Pixel density you remember,. though a positive when trying to eek out more res from a given sensor size,. will also cause more noise.

And completely contrary to the positive aspects of higher pixel density is the positive aspect of larger photosites on the sensor,. which individually are able to gather more light more accurately. (thus the failure of a camera like the 8MP Sony to come even close to the 6MP SLRs with there much larger sensors..)

So ,. untill we get the chance to do a serious side to side comparison,. we won't know which theory wins.

[gvansmith]

It’s been more than a year since Canon released the 1Ds. Since the release of the 1Ds, Canon has released the 10D, D-Rebel and now the 1D Mark II. I believe you’ll either see or hear of a 1Ds upgrade before the end of the year.

[defordphoto]

It’s been more than a year since Canon released the 1Ds. Since the release of the 1Ds, Canon has released the 10D, D-Rebel and now the 1D Mark II. I believe you’ll either see or hear of a 1Ds upgrade before the end of the year.

It's expected at Photokina with possibly a new 10D.

[PacAce]

It’s been more than a year since Canon released the 1Ds. Since the release of the 1Ds, Canon has released the 10D, D-Rebel and now the 1D Mark II. I believe you’ll either see or hear of a 1Ds upgrade before the end of the year.

It's expected at Photokina with possibly a new 10D.

But the big question is how significant an upgrade is it going to be? Is it going to be a 10Dn like the Elan 7n (with E-TTL II but not much more) or are there going to be improvements in other areas, such as fps increase, bigger buffer, etc.? ???

[defordphoto]

It’s been more than a year since Canon released the 1Ds. Since the release of the 1Ds, Canon has released the 10D, D-Rebel and now the 1D Mark II. I believe you’ll either see or hear of a 1Ds upgrade before the end of the year.

It's expected at Photokina with possibly a new 10D.

But the big question is how significant an upgrade is it going to be? Is it going to be a 10Dn like the Elan 7n (with E-TTL II but not much more) or are there going to be improvements in other areas, such as fps increase, bigger buffer, etc.? ???

At this point we have no idea, but...

1.6x 6.5 megapixel sensor
ETTL-II
DIGIC-II
Same FPS (maybe 1FPS increase) but buffer goes to 16-18 max frames
EF-S compatible
Faster AF and even better low-light focus
A few menu additions

[Jorgo]

When and where is Photokina please?

[Pekka]

When and where is Photokina please?

28.9.-03.10.2004 in Köln

http://www.photokina.de/

[Phil Hall]

I bought the 1Ds a few mon ths ago, I also have the 1D. There was no MK II then. Now we are here and I think I would buy the MK II instead of the 1Ds, mainly because most of my shots are telephoto. The wide angle ia amazing but I do not use it very much.

[gvansmith]

It was about a year ago that I traded my 1D in to purchase the 1Ds. Looking back, I really miss the fps I achieved with the 1D. However, I’m not going to jump on the 1D Mark II bandwagon until I hear what Canon announces at Photokina next month.

[Guillermo Freige]

It was about a year ago that I traded my 1D in to purchase the 1Ds. Looking back, I really miss the fps I achieved with the 1D. However, I’m not going to jump on the 1D Mark II bandwagon until I hear what Canon announces at Photokina next month.

Photokina isn't next month, but 6 months away!

[gvansmith]

It was about a year ago that I traded my 1D in to purchase the 1Ds. Looking back, I really miss the fps I achieved with the 1D. However, I’m not going to jump on the 1D Mark II bandwagon until I hear what Canon announces at Photokina next month.

Photokina isn't next month, but 6 months away!


Guillermo, thank you for the correction.

[cgratti]

http://www.a-digital-eye.com/PMAGallery/PICT0036.jpg

PMA 2004 show, this is the Canon 1D Mach II camera featuring 8 megapixels in a CMOS imager and amazing speeds.

[CyberDyneSystems]

Ooooooooooh!

You Held one!?

8)

[Guillermo Freige]

http://www.a-digital-eye.com/PMAGallery/PICT0036.jpg

PMA 2004 show, this is the Canon 1D Mach II camera featuring 8 megapixels in a CMOS imager and amazing speeds.

I want that 70-300 DO IS too!!! :)