Are the 3000D and 30/33D near? What about the 3D?

[Guillermo Freige]

Pure speculation dept: are film EOS v models plataforms to develop DSLRs??

Let start with a little SLR/DSLR history:
In Sept 2000 Canon announced the EOS 1v, a greatly improved model using a new 45-point AF tested in the EOS 3. A year later, in December 2001, Canon announced the first pro DSLR, the EOS 1D, using the 1v as the base system.
In Sept 2002, Canon anounced the 300v, a improved model over the 300. A year later (again), in Sept 2003, it launches the sub-$1000 300D kit.
You are starting to see some correlations here?? :)

Those were the facts, these are the speculations.
Canon announced with the 300D the film 3000v. Will be a even cheaper 3000D the Canon answer to the Nikon D70, in Photokina 2004?
And the most interesting (to me) fact are the new 30/33v models announced in PMA this month. This means 30/33D models in an year, in PMA 2005?. Or in Photokina if the 3000D doesn't exist?. This means that finally an eye controlled DSLR camera will see the light?. I hope so. I also hope a 1.3x crop factor sensor, but really I doubt it. I think Canon will use 1.3x sensors coupled with 45-pont AF systems, for cost and marketing reasons. Probably it'll have the same 1.6x 6MP sensor density, but using the new microlenses and logic used in the MkII, and of course the new E-TTL II flash system (already present in the 30/33v). If the 1.6x will be used, it will be intresting to see if it will be an EF-S or regular EF mount camera. I hope for an EF-S mount, but only time will tell. I think probably THIS will be the Canon answer to the D70, at a $1000-1200 body only.

So, what about the 3v/3D models? What about a 1.3x model in the $2000-2500 range, 45point AF and eye controlled focusing? If Canon announces a film EOS 3v in Photokina, probably a 3D will be between us in Sept 2005 :)

Just my 2 cents.

[PaulB]

Guillermo,
Speculate all you like, I think that we have seen the basic DSLR range from Canon for the forseeable future - but who knows?
Of course there will be updates and replacements for the existing models but I do not think that Canon will have the number of DSLRs that they have in film bodies - it would dilute the market too much and put a large strain on the CMOS manufacturing - which is the difficult and expensive part of the camera.
I also think that eye-control was a blind-alley (forgive the awful pun) and that it proved problematic for the majority of users - not a mainstream success at all.

[Guillermo Freige]

I don't care about mainstream success. It worked wonders for me in the EOS 5 (and it was their first try) and I want my ECF DSLR !!! :)

Regarding CMOS manufacturing, I see no problems if they manage to use the same sensor in different cameras. They almost do that in the D60/10D/300D (30D/3000D?) lineup, they just improve manufacturing quality or cost in each incarnation, and probably can do the same with the 1D/3D if they share the same 1.3x sensor.

And the film EOS 3 range isn't covered by any DSLR. The 10D fells short and the 1DMkII is too much.

[EoSD30fReAk]

I see no problems if they manage to use the same sensor in different cameras. They almost do that in the D60/10D/300D (30D/3000D?) lineup,

The 30D already exists as the D30 :wink:

The sensors are certainly not the same!!

The D30/D60 are almost the same but the D60 has more pixels
The 300D has a very different sensor it's nothing like the ones in the D30/D60
8) 8)

[RichardtheSane]

The 30D already exists as the D30 :wink:



And now the 10D.....

[defordphoto]

Having never used ECF, is it that reliable? Or just a cool bell and whistle that you turn off because the camera does too much thinking?

[Jesper]

Having never used ECF, is it that reliable? Or just a cool bell and whistle that you turn off because the camera does too much thinking?

I have an EOS 30 (Elan 7E). The ECF works really well. It has to be "trained" for your particular eye, so you first need to run the calibration procedure a few times, but after that it works flawlessly. It's much more convenient and faster than selecting the focus point manually all the time.

[Canuck]

Having never used ECF, is it that reliable? Or just a cool bell and whistle that you turn off because the camera does too much thinking?

Jim,
I remember talking about that in this thread http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19750 and I thought it worked rather well. A lot of the time I find myself forcing the 10D to focus on a certain point by pressing the button that doubles as a focus point selector in shooting mode and zoom in when in picture review mode. It would be interesting to see if Canon has really taken off with it. This camera (EOS 50E) was from Sept 1995, and I have had it since Dec, 1999.

Cheers from England,
Canuck

[EoSD30fReAk]

The 30D already exists as the D30 :wink:



And now the 10D.....

i guess you want to know about the 10D c-mos?
i can't tell you because i've never opend up a 10D
so i don't know if it looks like the D30/D60 or the 300D but when you look at the price of a 10D i would think more D30/D60 like

[PacAce]

Having never used ECF, is it that reliable? Or just a cool bell and whistle that you turn off because the camera does too much thinking?

Oh, yeah! It works great! all you do is look at the focusing point you want and that's where the camera focuses...instantaneously. No need to fiddle with the thumb button to go into af selection mode and then the selector wheels.

As Jesper stated, you do have to calibrate it so it's only good for the owner's eyes. You just have to remember to set it out of ECF mode when you hand the camera over to someone else. The quickest way of doing that is the just set the camera to the "green box" mode.

[PaulB]

Ah, but!
There is ALWAYS a but.
Note exactly what I said,"it proved problematic for the majority of users - not a mainstream success at all".
That statement I stand by - otherwise why have Canon not put it into any other newer models?
When I tried it, it didn't work- I wear glasses which perhaps has something to do with it.
A colleague of mine turned it of after the first job and never used it again - when he flicked his eye around the screen to check composition and for intrusive things in the background the focus changed - very offputing.
No, a great idea but a curiosity I'm afraid.
If it works for you then great.

[cc10d]

Posted earllier,

A colleague of mine turned it of after the first job and never used it again - when he flicked his eye around the screen to check composition and for intrusive things in the background the focus changed - very offputing.

My experience as well. Tryed it more than once but eventially, it is off.

Chuck

[PacAce]

Ah, but!
There is ALWAYS a but.
Note exactly what I said,"it proved problematic for the majority of users - not a mainstream success at all".
That statement I stand by - otherwise why have Canon not put it into any other newer models?


The last time I looked, the NEW Elan 7nE had it.

[PacAce]

A colleague of mine turned it of after the first job and never used it again - when he flicked his eye around the screen to check composition and for intrusive things in the background the focus changed - very offputing.
No, a great idea but a curiosity I'm afraid.
If it works for you then great.

Have you ever tried it? Or is you judgement based on someone else's say-so?

[PaulB]

PacAce,
What is an Elan 7nE? Sounds like a Lotus Sports car, but not one I've ever come across.
We don't have the same names for Canon bodies as you do over the pond! I presume it's a film body in the consumer class? Don't usually keep up with the latest in them these days........

"When I tried it, it didn't work- I wear glasses which perhaps has something to do with it. "
I was going to buy an EOS-3 at one time but bought an EOS-1nRS instead - more my speed.

[Guillermo Freige]

PaulB:
ECF can be problematic for eyeglass wearers, if the camera isn't correctly "trained". I'm not a eyelass wearer, and have no eye problems, so ECF works to me even without "train" the camera pretty well, but of course a proper training using different light conditions improve the reliability. The training is accumulative.
To me it's an invaluable tool. In fact I bought the EOS 5 mostly for the ECF capabilities, and I've used it everyday without problems.
So, far from a curiosity, it's a very useful tool for a number of users.

Regarding new models, Canon has ECF in both the EOS 3 and EOS 30 bodies (just replaced by the 30v). The 30v in USA is called Elan7En, and the previous EOS 30 was called Elan 7E. The 33/33v models lack the ECF and in USA are called Elan7/7n.

[pradeep1]

Having never used ECF, is it that reliable? Or just a cool bell and whistle that you turn off because the camera does too much thinking?

I used to have it on my ElanIIe and it worked really well. What I liked most was that I could invoke the DOF preview just by looking at the top left corner of the viewfinder. That was so cool and useful when you were shooting something involved.