Is this even possible?

[Malaxos1]

A brand new Canon 1Ds for less than $2500? The seller has 215 positive feedbacks and only 3 negatives (99% pos). Anyway here is the link...Dean

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3589591955&category=30 020

[ron chappel]

It's a scam pure and simple.
A real seller has had their account hyjacked by this scum.
They take advantage of all the flaws in ebay-you can't even see who else is bidding to warn them.If ebay are told about it they will delete it immediately .I can't be bothered anymore as i'm sick of wading through ebay's incredibly pathetic contact system.By the time i find a page that lets me send them an email i'm litteraly writing swear words at them-not good as i need ebay

[BearSummer]

Hi Malaxos1,

The best UK price i have seen from a legit dealer was just over £5400 and this is up for £1500. Sounds to good to be true, reason being , it is. Its either stolen, stolen or possibly the box grew legs and walked away whilst its owner wasnt watching. The poster may have a good ebay reference but that just means that someone else has stolen his id and is using it. If you are really set on going for this ask the seller for the serial number and check it with canon and see if its been reported as stolen, then if you are in the same geographical area see if you can pick up the camer in person, dont just send the guy the money and hope for the best.

If it was me I you couldnt pay me to take it.

Best Regards

BearSummer

[karusel]

No. I had a similar thing with 10D from Germany. The price was 500 EUR, item included big ed, additional battery, 256 CF. I've sent an e-mail to the seller got no reply, but the item was removed from the list couple of hours later. When something is too good to be true, it just ain't, regardless of how hard you want to believe it...

But anyway, go ahead, contact the seller, axe him why that low price or something... And keep us posted...

[RichardtheSane]

The seller has 215 positive feedbacks and only 3 negatives (99% pos). Anyway here is the link...Dean


And look at the feedback closely, view the items that have been sold.
You will not see someone who sells small things like that suddenly list a 1DS at 1/3 of market price.

That is the quickest way to spot a scam.

[karusel]

Oh, BTW, on that link, click on View seller's other items (http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=cwildan tiques&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50)

Let's see what this user is selling... wooden tug boat.. some toy cars... pupppets.. trains... I'm starting te see a pattern here... aha, toys! priced around 15 GBP. And now for something completely differend: sony plasma flat tv 1300 GBP, Apple powerbook 1300 GBP,...., Canon EOS 1Ds for guess what? I see another pattern here.. much differend from the previous one.... :roll:

[ron chappel]

They would steal photo equipment sellers ID's if they could but they take what they can get-those that fall for the fake ebay emails asking for the seller to re do something that requires the password.

If you want to have some fun send email/s asking about the item,ask about payment options,why the seller is in spain (or wherever!),why they ask for western union money (untracable by the way).Just string it out as long as possible :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Does anyone remember the URL for the website that records someones response to a 'nigerian money scam'? :D It was sooo funny .The emails went back and forth as the scammer and the scamee swapped details and discussed options-all the while the scammer using the name "ron jeremy" from "peter north enterprises".
The scamee drew it out for months! :D :D

[karusel]

It was on http://www.somethingawful.com, the correspondence was being partaken by senor Lowtax (scamee) himself, it finished when the Nigerian scammer abandoned all hope of ever getting a penny from this guy.

[RichardtheSane]

OK, flame me if you wish, but I have strong views about scammers.
I know how big a purchase a DSLR is to anyone, so it saddens me that some of these people will be done out of their cash.

I use a second ebay ID and once I have verified they are a scam I actually bid on these items or buy them now, just to make sure that no-one else will get stung.

I believe this is the only way to stop unsuspecting people being done, because ebay don't give a **** about it.

[CoolToolGuy]

It's a scam pure and simple.
A real seller has had their account hyjacked by this scum.
They take advantage of all the flaws in ebay-you can't even see who else is bidding to warn them.If ebay are told about it they will delete it immediately .I can't be bothered anymore as i'm sick of wading through ebay's incredibly pathetic contact system.By the time i find a page that lets me send them an email i'm litteraly writing swear words at them-not good as i need ebay

The hijacking happened to me about two weeks ago. Someone rerouted my email (in my ISP's server) to a similar-but-different email address and listed something with my eBay ID. eBay caught it, and suspended my ID. After the initial shock and anger at eBay I found the problem in my ISP and changed things back AFTER changing all of my passwords. :evil:

Today I was browsing some eBay listings and I saw a reference to 'eBay scams with Canon equipment'. I don't know what that is all about, but in my case, if eBay hadn't taken action, it would have been hard to see it because the emails were going out to my email address, but were being rerouted once they got to my ISP. :evil: :evil:

There are deals to be had on eBay, but there are scams, too. With a market that big there are bound to be nefarious folks who want a free piece of the pie. :cry:

Have Fun
Rick 8)

[Moses]

I hear many people say they have no problems with ebay, buying or selling.

Me? I just can't fathom sending my money to some total stranger and rely on their "honor" to send me anything, let alone what I thought I was buying.

My neighbor across the street bought a car, supposedly a fully restored GTO and the sucker bought it for $11,000.00 and paid trucking from Florida to Washington. When it got here, it was a junkyard car put together from a Pontiac Lemans with the GTO emblems.

[Belmondo]

This is largely a rhetorical question, but when are people going to learn, "There ain't no free lunch?"

How many horror stories do we have to swap before we all finally catch on to the fact that there are bad people out there, and they're going to take full advantage of our lust for bargains. When our expectations are unrealistic, there are always criminals willing to pounce on us.

If you want a brand new 1Ds, pony of the money and buy one from a reputable dealer. If you want a $2,500 camera, pick one out and buy it from a reputable dealer. You don't have any reasonable right to expect that they will ever be the same thing, but if you do, take heart in knowing that you're still one of God's creatures. A fish.

Thos.

[dennykyser]

I am hearing a lot of frauds on ebay any more. Personally I only sell on ebay, buy very little. I have never had a bad experience but listen to this.

I have always accepted pay pal. well now it takes 4-5 business days for Pay Pal to transfer to your account. I checked with Pay Pal and asked what happens if a buyer that pays with Credit Card, Cancels after I ship item. I was told they (Pay Pal) cancel transaction so you are out the $ and the item. so for small items not a huge risk but these large $ items I dont see doing much more on ebay unless its with cashiers checks from now on.

It is a shame because I have always got great $ out of my used photo gear, so when upgrading I lost very little.

[Jim_T]

There are two big scams circulating the net..

It involves using a spam engine to send an official looking email from either eBay or Paypal to thousands of recipients. The mail states there is a 'problem' and that you have to 'update' your information to avoid losing your access. They provide a URL to click on. The URL 'looks' like a valid eBay or Paypal site, complete with graphics, layout and logos, but of course it isn't. They provide a form to fill in.

People with no affiliation to eBay or Paypal just scratch their head and delete these messages since they have nothing to do with Paypal or eBay. But.. Some of the recipients are actually PayPal or eBay users and unfortunately some are only too happy to 'update' their information, sending passwords, credit card info etc..

Once the scammers have the info, then auctions like the one being discussed in this thread pop up..

[karusel]

So what is the safest way to buy online? The safest for the buyer and the seller, that is... I'm sure it's safe to say, that buyers are the endangered species here, for they bear all the risk and depend on the sellers good will and honesty.

[defordphoto]

So what is the safest way to buy online?

Use an escrow service, or just do not buy from Ebay-type sites. I will not buy camera equipment from Ebay or any other bid-type sites. It's not worth the risk. You might as well toss your money at a scam NY photo store.

[ron chappel]

OK, flame me if you wish, but I have strong views about scammers.
I know how big a purchase a DSLR is to anyone, so it saddens me that some of these people will be done out of their cash.

I use a second ebay ID and once I have verified they are a scam I actually bid on these items or buy them now, just to make sure that no-one else will get stung.

I believe this is the only way to stop unsuspecting people being done, because ebay don't give a **** about it.
Well done richard!!! :o :)
That is usually the best option-put a bid in so large that no one can beat it.there are still problems though,in this case the , 'seller' probably wouldn't let you bid.
The best solution as i see it is for epay to actually have a quick link for reporting scammers..or (gasp!!) even a phone number!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
maybe they could just have a list of volenteers (i'd do it) that they could give an email addr to call.

[ron chappel]

OK, flame me if you wish, but I have strong views about scammers.
I know how big a purchase a DSLR is to anyone, so it saddens me that some of these people will be done out of their cash.

I use a second ebay ID and once I have verified they are a scam I actually bid on these items or buy them now, just to make sure that no-one else will get stung.

I believe this is the only way to stop unsuspecting people being done, because ebay don't give a **** about it.
Well done richard!! :) :)
Do you have problems with the 'seller' rejecting your bid because they suspect you?

[MarkH]

There are two big scams circulating the net..

It involves using a spam engine to send an official looking email from either eBay or Paypal to thousands of recipients. The mail states there is a 'problem' and that you have to 'update' your information to avoid losing your access. They provide a URL to click on. The URL 'looks' like a valid eBay or Paypal site, complete with graphics, layout and logos, but of course it isn't. They provide a form to fill in.

People with no affiliation to eBay or Paypal just scratch their head and delete these messages since they have nothing to do with Paypal or eBay. But.. Some of the recipients are actually PayPal or eBay users and unfortunately some are only too happy to 'update' their information, sending passwords, credit card info etc..

Once the scammers have the info, then auctions like the one being discussed in this thread pop up..

The same thing happened here in NZ, but it was a bogus E-Mail asking the recipient to click on a link to update their internet banking details. Of course there were a handful of gullible people that thought it was genuine and helpfully supplied some scammer with their internet banking passwords. :cry:

Sometimes being a skeptic can save you lots of $$$$. :!:

[ron chappel]

it's these and other problems with the internet (like viruses) that make me want to track down the culprits personally and 'find a solution' to the problem the old fashioned way..................

[PhotosGuy]

In case you missed these links on another thread, you might be interested to go here:
Camera Confidential - Web buyer beware: Our undercover shopping expedition revealed doubtful deals, padded prices, and pushy salespeople. Here's how to avoid getting burned.
http://www.pcworld.com/howto/article/0,aid,107855,pg,1,00.asp
There's 5 pages to this. Don't miss the first two at least.

pics of Brooklyn Camera Store Fronts - very educational!
http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/pictures/BrooklynStores/

[Bruce Hamilton]

A real seller has had their account hyjacked by this scum.
Kudos to eBay for quick acting, the seller's account is listed as NARU... 8)

[evilenglishman]

I am hearing a lot of frauds on ebay any more. Personally I only sell on ebay, buy very little. I have never had a bad experience but listen to this.

I have always accepted pay pal. well now it takes 4-5 business days for Pay Pal to transfer to your account. I checked with Pay Pal and asked what happens if a buyer that pays with Credit Card, Cancels after I ship item. I was told they (Pay Pal) cancel transaction so you are out the $ and the item. so for small items not a huge risk but these large $ items I dont see doing much more on ebay unless its with cashiers checks from now on.

It is a shame because I have always got great $ out of my used photo gear, so when upgrading I lost very little.


You should be aware that what paypal told you is partly rubbish.

One thing you HAVE to do when you ship something is to make sure it has to have a signature. If the item is delivered and you have a signature you will get your money regardless of if the customer doesn't want it anymore.
By entering into bidding they have formed part of a legal agreement to buy the goods they are bidding on.
There are many reported cases where someone has bought items off ebay that have been damaged or not as advertised but they cannot get their money back because they have signed for the items.

[dennykyser]

dennykyser wrote:
I am hearing a lot of frauds on ebay any more. Personally I only sell on ebay, buy very little. I have never had a bad experience but listen to this.

I have always accepted pay pal. well now it takes 4-5 business days for Pay Pal to transfer to your account. I checked with Pay Pal and asked what happens if a buyer that pays with Credit Card, Cancels after I ship item. I was told they (Pay Pal) cancel transaction so you are out the $ and the item. so for small items not a huge risk but these large $ items I dont see doing much more on ebay unless its with cashiers checks from now on.

It is a shame because I have always got great $ out of my used photo gear, so when upgrading I lost very little.



You should be aware that what paypal told you is partly rubbish.

One thing you HAVE to do when you ship something is to make sure it has to have a signature. If the item is delivered and you have a signature you will get your money regardless of if the customer doesn't want it anymore.
By entering into bidding they have formed part of a legal agreement to buy the goods they are bidding on.
There are many reported cases where someone has bought items off ebay that have been damaged or not as advertised but they cannot get their money back because they have signed for the items.


Thanks for the input, I have never required a signature, guess I will from now on.

I hate to see fraud make its way into EBAY, it has been a great tool for me over the years. I have built up 100% Positive feedback over the years and has always helped me get top dollar for my merchandise. I hope to see it continue.

[MarkH]

You should be aware that what paypal told you is partly rubbish.

One thing you HAVE to do when you ship something is to make sure it has to have a signature. If the item is delivered and you have a signature you will get your money regardless of if the customer doesn't want it anymore.
By entering into bidding they have formed part of a legal agreement to buy the goods they are bidding on.
There are many reported cases where someone has bought items off ebay that have been damaged or not as advertised but they cannot get their money back because they have signed for the items.

I think in theory you might have a point, but once the CC transaction has been reversed and Paypal have refused to pay you, how do you get your money?

When the buyer receives an item that is damaged or not as described, do you have a right to refuse to accept the item back, do you need to take this person to small claims court to make them pay you?

What if another member of the household actually signed for the package, then the buyer opened the package, saw the damage and rang the CC company to have the transaction reversed, then rang you to arrange to return the item to you. I am a little doubtful that you will get far argueing and I think that you will get a bad rating on E-Bay if you don't accept the damaged goods back gracefully.

Of course when the goods are clearly damaged in transit, you can try getting the courier company to pay out, as long as the goods were correctly packaged then you should have a reasonable shot at this.

[evilenglishman]

I think in theory you might have a point, but once the CC transaction has been reversed and Paypal have refused to pay you, how do you get your money?


If someone does a chargeback against you, the money isn't returned straight away. It is held by paypal until a settlement is reached. When someone pays with a CC the money is taken immediately.
In the case of a dispute paypal will contact both parties, as the seller if you can provide proof that the item was delivered and that there is a signature for it, they will give you the money. It all comes under their seller protection policy.


When the buyer receives an item that is damaged or not as described, do you have a right to refuse to accept the item back, do you need to take this person to small claims court to make them pay you?


This is only a moral question, if you don't care then you don't have to accept it back. I've read cases where the seller has asked for the item returned which they would replace - but they buyer never heard from them again. The seller still has his signature. Of course this info will soon get around and you will get a bad reputation.


What if another member of the household actually signed for the package, then the buyer opened the package, saw the damage and rang the CC company to have the transaction reversed, then rang you to arrange to return the item to you. I am a little doubtful that you will get far argueing and I think that you will get a bad rating on E-Bay if you don't accept the damaged goods back gracefully.

Of course when the goods are clearly damaged in transit, you can try getting the courier company to pay out, as long as the goods were correctly packaged then you should have a reasonable shot at this.

It's irrelivent who signed for it, the signature is proof of delivery.
Yes they can call and get a chargeback - but that money has already gone to paypal and will be held as described above.
Of course the buyer can give you a bad rating on ebay which can ruin your business - but thankfully its only a minority who screw people around like that.

If you want to read some horror stories go to: http://www.paypalsucks.com/