What did I do wrong?

[cgratti]

I took a picture with my new Drebel.. I used the Av setting to just test this thing out, the picture came out like this? What did I do wrong?

here are the details to my picture:

ISO 400
Av 7.1
Tv 0.6
Exposure Compensation 0

I am sure its not the camera, but my lack of knowing what to do.

any help would be greatly appreciated...

http://www.hunt101.com/img/109422.jpg

[Belmondo]

It looks like a classic double exposure. You probably forgot to wind the film after the previous picture.

EDIT::lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

(manditory smily quota inserted by moderator)

I'm wondering why you're using ISO 400 for a tight shot like that. Also, I'm not sure I know what Tv 0.6 means. It sounds like an awfully long time for the shutter to be open on a flash shot, so maybe you moved the camera after the flash, but while the shutter was still open.

[ChrisNardone]

Shutter speed is too slow for the scene. Unless you are shooting a still scene with a tripod you want a shutter of 1/focal length. For example, with a 50mm lens you should shoot 1/50 shutter or faster. You shot this in Av, you should have selected a wider aperature like f/2.8.

[PacAce]

What did you do wrong?

Take your pick:

1. You didn't set the camera on a tripod.
2. Your aperture value was too high.
3. You didn't take notice of the fact that you were shooting with such a low shutter speed.

:D

[cgratti]

I can see I will have to learn alot to be even a decent photographer, I have promised myself that I will learn this camera at all costs. I refuse to just set the camera on FULL-AUTO and shoot....


I have a headache...LOL

[cgratti]

What did you do wrong?

Take your pick:

1. You didn't set the camera on a tripod.
2. Your aperture value was too high.
3. You didn't take notice of the fact that you were shooting with such a low shutter speed.

:D

How do you know the correct shutter speed? It wasnt a fast moving scene? Any tips or links??

[Cadwell]

I have promised myself that I will learn this camera at all costs. I refuse to just set the camera on FULL-AUTO and shoot....


:) Good for you! No point in buying a dSLR and using it as a P&S. Keep trying. The best way to learn is from your mistakes :)

[Rowla]

I took a picture with my new Drebel.

It looks like a classic double exposure. You probably forgot to wind the film after the previous picture.

Really? Where does the film go in a Drebel?

[LiquidMantis]

I took a picture with my new Drebel.

It looks like a classic double exposure. You probably forgot to wind the film after the previous picture.

Really? Where does the film go in a Drebel?

Scotty! Full power to the wit deflectors!

(Oh, for clarification: :P :D :wink: )
----
Cgratti:
Shutter speed is going to be based on focal length and what you're trying to shoot. The handheld shutterSpeed = 1/focalLength rule of thumb that was given is the first step, going faster if you're trying to stop subject motion.

The Short Courses camera specific guides are a good expansion on the original manual. They explain in a lot more detail the WHY of your specific settings and also help clarify the WHAT.

Here you go (http://www.shortcourses.com/bookstore/canon/book_canonrebel.htm)

[Tom W]

I took a picture with my new Drebel.

It looks like a classic double exposure. You probably forgot to wind the film after the previous picture.

Really? Where does the film go in a Drebel?

With some manipulation, you might be able to get it into the battery compartment. :)

Seriously, when you use the Av setting with flash, the camera exposes for the aperture that you set as though you weren't using the flash, which is why such a slow shutter was chosen by the camera. Conversely, if you had chosen Tv and chose a relatively fast shutter speed, the camera would have chosen an aperture that would give correct exposure (if possible) without consideration of the flash output. Flash would then be applied in either case as if it were fill-flash.

[Cadwell]

Try reading this http://photonotes.org/articles/eos-flash/. It'll make your brain feel likes it's dribbling out of your ears at first... but it's good stuff.

[PacAce]

Scotty! Full power to the wit deflectors!


Ay, Cap-ten, but I'm givin' er everything she's got. The deflector shield will not hold for very much longer. Belmondo's humour is too strong fir 'er. He'll be breaking through the shield very shortly, Cap-ten, and have us breaking up .... with laughter! :lol: :mrgreen:

[LiquidMantis]

and have us breaking up .... with laughter! :lol: :mrgreen:

Except for those of us with the stern scowls and knuckle-wrapping yardsticks at the ready... :lol:

[petiot]

do you have any idea of what "shutter speed" actually is?

[cgratti]

do you have any idea of what "shutter speed" actually is?

Nope, all I know is that my shutter runs a 4.2 (40)......


which is pretty fast.....

[netadmin22]

Its my understanding that on the DRebel, AV mode functions as fill flash only. Therefore, in a dark room the flash will fire but the shutter will remain open until the background is exposed with ambient light.

In the "programmed" mode, flash functions as normal with both shutter and f-stop set for flash automatically.

[CyberDyneSystems]

What did you do wrong?

Take your pick:

1. You didn't set the camera on a tripod.
2. Your aperture value was too high.
3. You didn't take notice of the fact that you were shooting with such a low shutter speed.

:D

How do you know the correct shutter speed? It wasnt a fast moving scene? Any tips or links??

For moving people you need a bare minimum of 1/60th of a second for shutter.. but really should have at least 1/125 (wiht 1/60 "some" shots will come out if timed correctly)

So you need a faste shutter...

If the DRebel is like the 10D then your shutter speed is displyed in the viewfinder under the image.. (YES all thos numbers there mean something)

The first number is shutter speed in fractions of a second.. IE 250 = 1/250th.. they only display the 250...

With 0.6 you were over half a second exposure.. really SLOW shutter.

The second number is your Aperture or "f/stop"

.... good luck :)

[Belmondo]

and have us breaking up .... with laughter! :lol: :mrgreen:

Except for those of us with the stern scowls and knuckle-wrapping yardsticks at the ready... :lol:

Please note: Although I couldn’t resist the opening for a cheap joke, I did attempt to moderate the insincerity with a weak attempt at answering the question. I was rebuked recently for too much ‘ha ha’ stuff when people are asking serious questions.

Sometimes, though, I just can’t help myself. Keep the yardstick handy….old habits die hard.

Thos.
:wink: :lol: :oops: :p

[TeraGram93013]

Sometimes, though, I just can’t help myself. Keep the yardstick handy….old habits die hard.

Excuse me whilst I go dust off my leathers.

And I need to know, how insistent are you that it be a yardstick? I've got a sweet little crop I haven't used in a while.

Of course, you're kidding yourself if you really think you've got a choice.

- T, exceptionally helpful.

[Tom W]

Excuse me whilst I go dust off my leathers.

And I need to know, how insistent are you that it be a yardstick? I've got a sweet little crop I haven't used in a while.


- T, exceptionally helpful.

Ummmm .. Excuse me.... Ummmmm

Hey, I'm much worse than Belmondo. Much, MUCH worse. I'm naughty..... ;)

[Belmondo]

Okay, Tom. You just mind your own business. This is my punishment. Now leave me alone while I put on this dog collar.


Thos. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[Tom W]

Too late - I've already got mine on. :)

http://store4.yimg.com/I/morrco_1782_29541350

You should see the matching accessories...

Woof Woof!

[Belmondo]

Well, I can't top that. Now I just have to make sure my wife doesn't see that picture.

:wink:

[RichardtheSane]

I took a picture with my new Drebel.

It looks like a classic double exposure. You probably forgot to wind the film after the previous picture.

Really? Where does the film go in a Drebel?
:roll: :roll:
Isn't humour great. When you have been around just a wee bit longer you will realise that Tom is the master of wit, a true comic genius in disguise as a photographer.

[Belmondo]

:roll: :roll:
Isn't humour great. When you have been around just a wee bit longer you will realise that Tom is the master of wit, a true comic genius in disguise as a photographer.

Richard:
Thanks for the reality check. Frankly, I'm neither of those things---comedian nor photograher, and maybe I'm trying a little too hard to apppear as both.

The truth is, when the topic of a thread morphs from a serious question about flash photography to a discussion of my perception of humor, then it is understandable why some might see it as disruptive and inappropriate. Perhaps this is a cue for me to pull in my horns a bit.

If I have diminished your enjoyment (or anyone's) of this forum or detracted from the helpful nature of it, I apologize.

Tom

[robekert]

PM sent.
Rob

[Rowla]

Isn't humour great. When you have been around just a wee bit longer you will realise that Tom is the master of wit, a true comic genius in disguise as a photographer.

That's nice and all, and I do truly appreciate the wit around here, but as I do appear to be new (as are others, undoubtedly) how am I to know?

There are many experienced people here who give really good answers to our newbie questions. That's why we ask them. But when we do ask, we're going to expect that you really mean the answers you give. If that was a joke, how would a new person know, having not 'been around just a wee bit longer' ? Should we lurk for six months before we post a question? Is there an orientation we should go through, or a Kids Table we can sit at before we graduate to the Big Kids playground?

There were some really helpful answers to the original question. I learn so much just by reading other questions and answers. I'm glad you guys use humor so much; I'm always laughing when I read this board. But maybe take into consideration the new guys don't always know when you're kidding or not.

I'm hoping it's just not a case of making fun of the new kids.

[robekert]

Considering the Hell he went through with Broadway Camera, you should go easy on this newbie. We were all newbies at one time.
Rob

[GenEOS]

I can see I will have to learn alot to be even a decent photographer, I have promised myself that I will learn this camera at all costs. I refuse to just set the camera on FULL-AUTO and shoot....


I have a headache...LOL

Placing the camera in "full auto" and then reviewing the exif data will atleast tell you how the camera chose to capture the image. Portrait, sports, landscape, etc.. will all set the camera differently per what you are shooting...By reviewing the exif, you can learn a lot. Research what all those setting are and what impact they have on your photos...

[Belmondo]

That's nice and all, and I do truly appreciate the wit around here, but as I do appear to be new (as are others, undoubtedly) how am I to know?

There are many experienced people here who give really good answers to our newbie questions. That's why we ask them. But when we do ask, we're going to expect that you really mean the answers you give. If that was a joke, how would a new person know, having not 'been around just a wee bit longer' ? Should we lurk for six months before we post a question? Is there an orientation we should go through, or a Kids Table we can sit at before we graduate to the Big Kids playground?

There were some really helpful answers to the original question. I learn so much just by reading other questions and answers. I'm glad you guys use humor so much; I'm always laughing when I read this board. But maybe take into consideration the new guys don't always know when you're kidding or not.

I'm hoping it's just not a case of making fun of the new kids.

I hope you're kidding. Please name one other forum that's as welcoming to ‘new kids’ as this one. I can't recall very many cases when first-time posters who identified themselves as such, weren’t greeted with numerous welcomes from existing members. As to humorous or tongue-in-cheek answers, if you are ever in doubt as to the sincerity of a response, all you have to do is ask, "Are you kidding?"

I'm thinking about a recent thread that dealt with lens cleaning. The originator posted his/her question about the best way to clean camera optics, and in short order, received a half dozen or so serious, thoughtful answers. Then the silliness started. I hope you're not suggesting that new users are so naive to believe that the proper care and feeding of a lens involves soaking it in acetone, cleaning spots from the optics with an electric grinder, and burying it in the garden. Perhaps the already liberal application of laughing emoticons needs to be increased.

Then, too, there is the tendency among some of the older members to engage in what some might consider inside humor, but is in fact just 'historical humor.' These are comments based on things that took place in the industry or in this forum long ago. Occasionally I come across one of those references, and even though I don't get the joke, I'm satisfied it isn’t intended as a personal snub directed towards me.

I have a short ‘wish list’ that I consider personally very important and relate to this forum:
1. That I never take myself so seriously that I can’t have a little fun.
2. That I will always willing and able to share that fun.
3. That I never say or do anything to anyone that would cause them to feel that I consider them anything less than my complete equal in this forum or anywhere.
4 That I never do anything to such excess that others are made to feel uncomfortable or cause me to wear out my welcome.

Based on several recent comments by various people in this forum, it appears that perhaps I’ve crossed the line of good judgment with my quick and ready wit. Unfortunately, I can’t promise I’ll ever change. Heck, I can’t give reasonable assurance that I’ll even try. What I will do is apologize for any disinformation I’ve every given or for any perceived insensitivity I’ve demonstrated towards any member(s) of this forum, and hope that in the future, people will ‘get it.’

Mea culpa. Mea culpa. Mea culpa.

Tom

[ilya]

Man, I'm gone for a week, and I come back to

- Attempts at Tom getting Neutered (or Spayed...)

- S&M inferences

I'm not sure where this is all headed, but I don't like it.

Please don't make me put up a Poll asking the Forum to vote on how far Tom can go with the humor.

All seriousness aside though, this forum is extremely friendly to newbies. If you don't believe me, spend more time on other forums, and compare.

Also, there was a brief time where Tom lost his way and became very docile. No one benefited from that.

Lets not go there again ...

:shock:
:lol:
8)

[Cadwell]

]
Please name one other forum that's as welcoming to ‘new kids’ as this one. I can't recall very many cases when first-time posters who identified themselves as such, weren’t greeted with numerous welcomes from existing members.


As a "newbie" to this forum I couldn't agree more. Keep up the humour, Tom, this would be a duller place without it. :D

[Belmondo]

Thanks, Ilya.

We missed having one of your provocative surveys this week. I guess it gave me too much time for introspection. :lol:

I'll stop there. I'm feeling very self-righteous today, and that ain't healthy. :wink: :oops:

[Rowla]

I hope you're not suggesting that new users are so naive to believe that the proper care and feeding of a lens involves soaking it in acetone, cleaning spots from the optics with an electric grinder, and burying it in the garden.

Whoa.

How ... the hell ... did my comment get construed as THAT?

I was trying to point out that as a new user, it's not always obvious when the older users are poking fun or not. You're right. That obviously means that new users don't understand any humor at all. WHY didn't I see that before? I'm such a retard!

Thanks for pointing that out :)

[Belmondo]

Thanks, Cadwell.

BTW, did I say 'Welcome?'

[Belmondo]

I was trying to point out that as a new user, it's not always obvious when the older users are poking fun or not. You're right. That obviously means that new users don't understand any humor at all. WHY didn't I see that before? I'm such a retard!

Thanks for pointing that out :)

Don't mention it. :wink:

Actually, I don't think the vast majority of humor is that hard to spot, and if it is too subtle or abstract, then appropriate usage of the emoticons should clear up any doubt. My reference to the lens cleaning thread was only included because it was one of a few incidents recently where people have suggested that they didn’t appreciate my feeble attempts at levity, and presumably, those of others. The fact that there have been a few such comments in recent days causes me to reconsider how funny I think I am versus how funny I’m actually perceived to be.

Please don’t think I’m trying to single you out for any of my personal attention. It’s only that yours was the most recent comment that seemed at least indirectly aimed at me, and I’m starting to wonder out loud what it is I’m doing wrong.

I’m sorry you took what I wrote earlier so personally. I assure you it wasn’t intended that way at all. My main goal is to be friends with everyone in this forum, and I seem to be failing at that.

[robekert]

As a rough count 6 out of 34 replies in thread were instructional in nature. Consider this. You're the person who started this thread, and you check your email. "Hey someone posted a reply to my thread looking for help with my new $1000 camera"..........Oh, more of the same.

I understand threads sometime take on a life of their own. I pm'd this person and gave them some guidance away from this thread. I was feeling bad for him. This person has a lot of posts but unfortunatly most of the posts revolved around getting jerked around by Broadway Camera.

Rob

[ilya]

To be fair, Cgratti joined in ... "a 4.2 (40)". That's pretty funny in my book.

Probably belabored this topic too much though.

Have to get back to work now.

Maybe time for a separate thread on "what do you do when work intrudes on photography"...

[Belmondo]

As a rough count 6 out of 34 replies in thread were instructional in nature. Consider this. You're the person who started this thread, and you check your email. "Hey someone posted a reply to my thread looking for help with my new $1000 camera"..........Oh, more of the same.

I understand threads sometime take on a life of their own. I pm'd this person and gave them some guidance away from this thread. I was feeling bad for him. This person has a lot of posts but unfortunatly most of the posts revolved around getting jerked around by Broadway Camera.

Rob

Rob:
PM sent.
Thanks,
Tom

[CyberDyneSystems]

....I was trying to point out that as a new user, it's not always obvious when the older users are poking fun or not.

Now,. we can't be contradictory in what we say vs. what we do...

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=26236&highlight=

:lol: :lol: :lol: :roll: :wink:

[cgratti]

Ok,

I want to clear this up. I was not offended with any of the comments in this thread. Also, I would like to thank everyone who contributed (in their own way) to helping me solve this (special thanks to ROB for the PM).

I have had my camera about a week and there are alot of buttons on here, I do get confused at times with what setting I need, so I ask here. I have a very good sense of humor, and although I'm not the brightest crayon in the box, I can pick things up rather well. I see the points made by both sides. Anyway, to make a long story short, no harm done. I was not offended. I am especially thankful to ROB for the PM to help me out, and the others who posted in this thread what I may have done wrong.

Now, I have got to go, I need to soak my lens in acetone to get some gunk off.... (**JOKING**)

--G

[RichardtheSane]

I was trying to point out that as a new user, it's not always obvious when the older users are poking fun or not. You're right. That obviously means that new users don't understand any humor at all. WHY didn't I see that before? I'm such a retard!

Thanks for pointing that out :)

Now don't take this the wrong way, because we were all new users once, but...

It seems to me like it is a bit daft to cut the humour because of the posibility that new users in the forum will not interpret it correctly. Anyhows, cgratti was well known to a few of us regulars because of his epic battle with broadway. I'm straying from my point...

When I first started reading the forum I looking in a few times before making my initial post to see how the forum worked. You have a read, and get a feel for how people post.
Also you find out pretty quickly which forums are cold an humourless too. I can think of two that are but this one definitly isn't. I'm still straying from my point...

Which is....

Get to know the styles of the regular posters and the forum will be a much much more entertaining. Get to know the regualr posters styles, start posting regularly, and become a regular poster with your own style and the forum will be an entertaining & rewarding place.
Don't take anything too seriously because there really are better things to do with you life :D

If that is just utter jibberish well tough, because that is my point and I am proud of it.

[Tapeman]

One of the things I like best about this forum is most of us like to have fun with our posts.

Typical members try to be helpfull, but it is easy to inject some humor after good answers to the poster's question has been given, especially if the question is asked frequently. ("What lens to buy" comes to mind.)

The personal attacks and bickering that I read on some other forums is VERY uncommon here.

Newbies please bear with us.(I'm kinda new too.) We all love the hobby / profession but most don't take ourselves too seriously.