10D Discontinued? Why would he say that?

[KiheiMan]

Yesterday I went down to my local camera store to look at/buy a 10D. As I expected, they didn't have any in stock. When I inquired about the arrival time of their next order, the salesman said "Oh, that model has been discontinued". I personally have found this same rumor on this and other forums. What I can't figure, is why any reputable distributor would make such a statement. I had previously been to another store just down the street that had just received 5 units the middle of last week and they were already gone. They expected to have more in stock in a couple of weeks. Certainly a product with that kind of track record is not just "discontinued" without something ready and waiting to take it's place?

I would be interested to hear your speculations. Thank you.

Michael Eddy

[CyberDyneSystems]

Ritz started saying this in November at it was wrong then...

So it's probably still bull,.

My guess is that the retailers are pushing Rebels.. they are easier for them to get in stock and maybe the retailer gets a better profit?

[Belmondo]

This seems to be rampant among some of the larger chains like Ritz Camera, etc..

Obviously we all know it's not true, so the only possible explanations are:
1. They are misinformed
2. They want you to buy whatever they have (instead of what they don't have). In that case, they are lying to you.

Either way, would you really want to deal with those people?

[defordphoto]

The 10D is not set for replacement until October 2004 at the earliest, if even then. If they're saying tthey've been discontinued it's because they are tough to get as the demand exeeds the supply. I'll bet $100 they either have a Rebel in stock or can get one in a very short time.

So, either they are seriously uninformed or they are lying. Both good points for staying away from that particular seller. And, any and all the rumors on this board that the 10D has been discontinued have been very quickly smashed.

Go to B&H's website. They have them in stock now.

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=26231

[robertwgross]

Also, try to distinguish between a retailer and a distributor.

Many retail sales clerks will try to tell a potential customer anything that they think the potential customer will believe if they can manage to steer the potential customer toward something they have in stock that they can sell that day.

Part of that is because retail sales counter discussion is purely verbal, and the sales clerks can later deny having said anything of the sort. Or, at a minimum, they can claim that the potential customer simply misunderstood what was said. Counter clerks get used to dealing with the type of customer who brings their camera in because they need help changing the battery.

Distributors, on the other hand, do more of their business by telephone call (which can be recorded) or by email (which is always recorded). So, it is more difficult for them to fib and get away with it.

Like everywhere else in the marketplace, do business with the people that you have learned to trust.

---Bob Gross---

[CoolToolGuy]

I think part of it may be attitudes left over from a long time ago, when the retailer was the one in the know about what is current, what is available, etc. Some of these salespeople think that customers are dumb as a post, and that they can tell a customer anything. But, thanks to advances like the very one we are using at this moment, there is much more information available to anyone who wants to search for it. :wink:

I sometimes get a kick out of going into a store to examine something that I have researched online or otherwise and seeing the totally inept salespeople in the store. Back in the day I dismantled a just-out Canon SLR (I think it was the A1) in a Ritz store. I had read all about it in the photo rags, and when I got my hands on it, I wanted to see all the features I had read about. The sales clerk was totally befuddled, looked at me and said 'You took my camera apart!' I just looked at him and put it all back together and handed it back to him. It was clear that all he knew about it was the SKU and the price. :shock:

The point is that there are a lot of folks who know more about this stuff than the folks who are selling it, but some of them think they can feed us any line they want to sell what they have in stock. :roll:

It is possible that they are just misinformed, and if so they will eventually come around. But in any case, I would steer clear of these folks.

Have Fun
Rick 8)

[Canuck]

What difference would it make even if, worst case scenario, they were discontinued? I'd be willing to guess that it will be replaced by something much better...look at the D30 to D60, D60 to 10D, 1D to 1D Mark II. If you search far enough, you would be able to get it from a reputable dealer. They are floating about and there are a lot of them!

[tpinchback]

Sorry to bust your bubble, but were I work the 10d is discontinued. :shock: Does not mean we will stop carrying them right now, but in the future (couple of months) we will stop carrying the 10d.

[Belmondo]

Sorry to bust your bubble, but were I work the 10d is discontinued. :shock: Does not mean we will stop carrying them right now, but in the future (couple of months) we will stop carrying the 10d.

Do you work for a major chain?

[PacAce]

Sorry to bust your bubble, but were I work the 10d is discontinued. :shock: Does not mean we will stop carrying them right now, but in the future (couple of months) we will stop carrying the 10d.

Do you work for a major chain?

BestBuy, maybe???

[Tom W]

Sorry to bust your bubble, but were I work the 10d is discontinued. :shock: Does not mean we will stop carrying them right now, but in the future (couple of months) we will stop carrying the 10d.

And yet, Canon continues to ship them to B&H, KEH, and others. And, their in-stock status lasts but a day or two, due to extremely high demand.

[CyberDyneSystems]

If true,. sounds like a new 10D at Photokina this year .... :wink:

[tpinchback]

I'm just passing on the news what I saw on the computer screen when I tried to order a 10d for a customer. DISCONTINED



PacAce Your correct!!

[Mills]

I was in a Wolf Camera store yesterday and they had 6 DRebels. I watched two sales people explaine to customers that they were a superior deal and that the 10D was a waste of the extra $500.

The DRebel is in stock and they will say anything to sell it. I am certain that if they had 6 10D's in stock, the DRebel would be inferior, and the extra $500 would be a bargain for the additional capabilities.

[tpinchback]

I was in a Wolf Camera store yesterday and they had 6 DRebels. I watched two sales people explaine to customers that they were a superior deal and that the 10D was a waste of the extra $500.

The DRebel is in stock and they will say anything to sell it. I am certain that if they had 6 10D's in stock, the DRebel would be inferior, and the extra $500 would be a bargain for the additional capabilities.

Thats where your wrong... You were in Wolf! They suck. They could not tell you the difference between the 10d and the drebel (besides the color).

[Vegas Poboy]

The 10D is not set for replacement until October 2004 at the earliest, if even then. If they're saying tthey've been discontinued it's because they are tough to get as the demand exeeds the supply. I'll bet $100 they either have a Rebel in stock or can get one in a very short time.

So, either they are seriously uninformed or they are lying. Both good points for staying away from that particular seller. And, any and all the rumors on this board that the 10D has been discontinued have been very quickly smashed.

Go to B&H's website. They have them in stock now.

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=26231

I really want to back up RFM's statment, I was in a local shop here in Vegas Friday & watched 10d's being delivered from the factory. The 10D is still the hotest Proconsumer camera on the market today. The Rebel has just reached out to the normal consumer crowds and is easier to sell on the lower end market. Most consumers does not even takes the camera off of program. So its an easy sell. Wolf & Ritz is part of the same family so they have the same ordering system to a point. Consumer electronic stores like fast moving inventory not money in the storage rooms.

[CoolToolGuy]

Just because Best Buy discontinues them, it does not mean that Canon has discontinued the 10D. With the Drebel to sell, there is little need for Best Buy to carry the 10D. Have you ever looked at the lens selection they keep in the store? 75-300 (non IS), and that's it in all the Best Buys in my local area.

Have Fun
Rick 8)

[defordphoto]

Probably the reason the BestBuy has chosen to not carry the 10D is that it's over and above what a normal BB customer would be shopping for. And that measn nothing for the rest of the world. The Drebel applies more to their customers than someone looking for a camera a bit more on the professional side as the 10D.

BestBuy has discontinued carrying the camera. That does not mean in any way, shape or form that Canon has stopped manufacturing it. As for Ritz or Wolf or Kits stores, consider the source. They're idiots and know very little about photography.

And before you Drebel owners get your panties in a wad, that is not a slam on the Drebel. Just a fact.

[tpinchback]

Probably the reason the BestBuy has chosen to not carry the 10D is that it's over and above what a normal BB customer would be shopping for. And that measn nothing for the rest of the world. The Drebel applies more to their customers than someone looking for a camera a bit more on the professional side as the 10D.

BestBuy has discontinued carrying the camera. That does not mean in any way, shape or form that Canon has stopped manufacturing it. As for Ritz or Wolf or Kits stores, consider the source. They're idiots and know very little about photography.

And before you Drebel owners get your panties in a wad, that is not a slam on the Drebel. Just a fact.

I agree BUT, why would they still keep carrying the 1ds, Fuji FinePix 6.17-Megapixel Super CCD, Pentax 6.1-Megapixel SLR and discontinue the 10d??

The 10d is selling like hotcakes, I'm am just passing on the news of what I saw the other day..

[KiheiMan]

Probably the reason the BestBuy has chosen to not carry the 10D is that it's over and above what a normal BB customer would be shopping for. And that measn nothing for the rest of the world. The Drebel applies more to their customers than someone looking for a camera a bit more on the professional side as the 10D.

I agree that the 10D would be more than most Best Buy customers would be looking for. What I didn't mention in my original post is that I got my information from Camera World, a retailer that sells a wide range of high end equipment. I also didn't mention that they were quick to offer the Drebel that they had in stock. Hmmmm...???

Michael Eddy

[theoldmoose]

Best Buy is famous for dropping lines at the first hint that consumers think that something new is coming out to replace it.

It would seem that Best Buy never wants to be in the position of unloading a lot of old stock from their channels. They have (believe it or not) really limited floor space, mainly because of their warehouse-on-the-floor like stocking, so they have a much smaller selection of the various brands they carry (compared to a more specialized house, like CompUSA), and can ill afford to have something on the floor that they perceive will not move quickly.

I've picked up some bargains from them when they've decided to drop something, and caught a remainder or two in stock, with prices slashed sometimes below distributor cost, because they are so allergic to having any of that stuff lying about.

I got a couple of really nice Sharp PDAs for half-price a year or so ago ("his and hers"), because BB perceived that it was about to be replaced with an upgraded model. The new model didn't appear for about 18 months, and BB missed all the sales of the current one in the meantime. I'm sure it didn't bother them, though, since there are so many PDA manufacturers jostling with one another for a spot on the coveted BB PDA bench.

I certainly wouldn't consider BB a prime source for any serious photographic gear.

[kahfluie]

For what it's worth, the three big photo shops around here (one of them being a Ritz) still have the 10D and when asked if it has been discontinued... their response (and was just about the same at all three) "if it has been, then no one told us".

All I know is... I have one and I love it.

[PaulB]

I spoke to Canon UK this afternoon - on a different matter - and raised the availability of the 10D in the UK; the answer was that they can't get them into the country in sufficient numbers to supply the demand.
I also spoke to a retailer a few days ago who had 10 10Ds and 15 300Ds ordered, customers waiting for them - he said that Canon were unable to keep up with the demand.
What a position to be in for Canon - demand outstripping supply, the manufacturers dream!

[Mark_Cohran]

You do know, of couse, that Camera World was bought out by Ritz Camera about 2 years ago. Since then the service and the knowledge there has dived to the point of a standard retail Ritz outlet.

[KiheiMan]

You do know, of couse, that Camera World was bought out by Ritz Camera about 2 years ago. Since then the service and the knowledge there has dived to the point of a standard retail Ritz outlet.

I did not know that, but I thought it felt different than it was years ago. Pro Photo Supply seemed to be a lot more knowledgeable. Then there is mail order, but since there is no price advantage in this case I would prefer to support the locals. Nice looking gallery by the way, but since I still need my job, I will check it out after I get home.

Michal Eddy

[CyberDyneSystems]

I was in a Wolf Camera store yesterday and they had 6 DRebels. I watched two sales people explaine to customers that they were a superior deal and that the 10D was a waste of the extra $500.

The DRebel is in stock and they will say anything to sell it. I am certain that if they had 6 10D's in stock, the DRebel would be inferior, and the extra $500 would be a bargain for the additional capabilities.

Thats where your wrong... You were in Wolf! They suck. They could not tell you the difference between the 10d and the drebel (besides the color).

Isn't that the only difference that matters :mrgreen: :roll:

Lol,. Ritz is buying everything.. there like the Microsoft of retail cameras...

[Brownie]

Since I bought a 10D a few weeks ago, and wanted to make sure it wouldn't be replaced soon I contacted CPS Belgium.
And got this diplomatic answer: I cannot say it won't be replaced later this year, but it won't be during the upcoming months.
My opinion is the successor will be presented at Photokina in September. Would be nice, wouldn't it? The new 1D MarkII for the PMA and the new 10D for Photokina.

[defordphoto]

You do know, of couse, that Camera World was bought out by Ritz Camera about 2 years ago. Since then the service and the knowledge there has dived to the point of a standard retail Ritz outlet.

I did not know that, but I thought it felt different than it was years ago. Pro Photo Supply seemed to be a lot more knowledgeable. Then there is mail order, but since there is no price advantage in this case I would prefer to support the locals. Nice looking gallery by the way, but since I still need my job, I will check it out after I get home.

Michal Eddy

Yeah Michal, ProPhoto is the only good local storefront we have left here in the PDX area. The rest are owned by Ritz Shack.

[bob harris]

You know the older I get the more I discover that people will spew anything if it makes hem look like they know what they are talking about.
That said I don't care if they discontinue them tomorrow as long as they continue to support it. (I love mine)
You know that if they did they would replace it with something newer.

[defordphoto]

You got that right Bob...

And even when it is discontinued it will still shoot the very same, ultra high quality pictures that it shoots now. Nothing will ever change that.

[Tom W]

You know the older I get the more I discover that people will spew anything if it makes hem look like they know what they are talking about.
That said I don't care if they discontinue them tomorrow as long as they continue to support it. (I love mine)
You know that if they did they would replace it with something newer.

I'm with you, Bob. Two months ago, I was clinging to my Elan II, waiting for the next 10D to come out. Then, as if from divine intervention, the film door latch broke on the Elan, I had a wedding to do in 2 weeks, and B&H was at one of those rare moments when they had the 10D in stock (which lasted for about 1 day).

I've been shooting with the 10D since, and I haven't really looked back. Yes, I got the latch replaced on the Elan, but it sits very lonely next to the 10D now.

My images are as good as the film, and I have the advantage of the digital darkroom in which to adjust the images before they ever get near any kind of printer.

[WillsMa]

I was in my local store Sunday looking at a speedlite and we were chatting about the "big" retailers when the owner of the store told me that Ritz was going out of business. News to me. I guess time will tell... :roll:

[Canuck]

I was in my local store Sunday looking at a speedlite and we were chatting about the "big" retailers when the owner of the store told me that Ritz was going out of business. News to me. I guess time will tell... :roll:

I should think that means Wolf too. That could prove interesting, if this is the case. I don't forsee this but I am not clairvoyant and do not have a crystal ball...not yet anyway...working on it, though. Wolf/Ritz are the same company.

[defordphoto]

I was in my local store Sunday looking at a speedlite and we were chatting about the "big" retailers when the owner of the store told me that Ritz was going out of business. News to me. I guess time will tell... :roll:

That would not be a loss. I refuse to even go into our local Kits stores anymore even for something simple. Their prices suck, their stock sucks and their salepeople suck. That doesn't leave much reason left to go in there.

Except maybe for a drink of water...

[Tom W]

There's also the possibility that the local Ritz or Wolf is going out of business. There's one in every mall in the US, and they can't possibly be selling enough Quantaray lenses to support that much retail space, particularly in some of the more expensive malls.

Maybe they'll close their lessor stores.

[PacAce]

That would not be a loss. I refuse to even go into our local Kits stores anymore even for something simple. Their prices suck, their stock sucks and their salepeople suck. That doesn't leave much reason left to go in there.

Except maybe for a drink of water...

Also good for a laugh every once in a while, especially if you're stressed out. I once went into a Ritz store in Orlando and I asked the sales person how much for a 550EX. He looked it up in his book and quoted $480.00! I looked him squarely in the eyes and quipped, "Hmmm, that's over a hundred buck more than everybody else sells them for." I laughed and then walked out the store. :mrgreen:

[duncanbudd]

I was told that the 10D manufacturing capacity was being used to make the 1DMk2 at the moment. Hopefully when they have supplied the high initial 1D2 demand they can carry on making both in sufficient numbers to meet the on-going demand.

Duncan