Brisbane POTN: General Ramblings Thread

[PeacePlanet]

Okay....you were right and I was wrong. :-(

The sunrise was crap, we froze our arses off and I didn't get any prizewinners. (Not sure about Andrew and Tina)

I did get this one....

I titled it: "I see dead people".

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/9461/toowong12rg6.jpg

Glowing angel :D Great shot !!! Thanks for sharing. Not sure I would like to shoot tomb stones yet though :D.

Lots of great artistic ones out there I know. I think the place is just a bit you know LOL :D ... some superb camera like Feng's might just catch some glimpse of something :)

[PeacePlanet]

not much of a deal... more like SERE training..

and KL wanted to go to the club lounge too... we woulda been finished :O

it was a great day.. hopefully you can make it out next time round :)

Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape from Sofitel security .... :D hhehehe LOL ... Must have been a great detective work you guys did .. except it was for the prize of photos ...

Yeah if you guys are keen to go up there again ... let's do another hide and seek with the security guys ... would be an exciting experience ... to get caught or not ??? :D

Cheers
Al

[wakko]

Nice work there with great DOF although I find it a bit noisy or (a tad off ?) wonder why with such powerful camera of yours ? Or is it my eyes playing tricks on me again ??? Was it not enough light there or was it a big crop ??? Thanks for sharing.

yeah it just doesn't look right to me either :(

it's not noisy I don't think... it's more I don't know how to process it for pop... DOF wasn't quite enough... it was a 100mm macro so it has VERY shallow DOF when you're that close to it.

No crop... that's how it was straight out of the cam... hence how close I was to the flower.

I need Greg's 180 Macro :(

[PeacePlanet]

Welcome Dan :)

Well, looking at some of Paul's and Shayb's photos from New Zealand (great shots, guys!) has inspired me to finally process the backlog of images I have from a trip over there in 2005 (was it that long ago?!? - gawd).

This is just a fun one :D


http://www.psychogoat.com/linked/20050523_0978-Edit.jpg


Excellent shot ! Nice panorama view. Did they just line up for your photo shoots LOL :D

Thanks for sharing.

[three]

*cough* (http://photo.net/equipment/canon/180-macro)

[catsith]

feng, your exif says you shot at iso1600, that would explain the noise. But why 1600?

next question... i have my monitor back, and connected it to my laptop. I am running a cordless mouse and keyboard. I want to turn the monitor of my laptop off. How do i do that? My local techo said to toggle f8, but nothing happens.

[Greg_C]

I need Greg's 180 Macro :(

Mmm, the 180 is very nice, DoF is even less than the 100 and I'm slowly getting used to it. The quality of the out of focus blur is super smooth. The images I'm getting out of it look different to those from my 105 Macro - hard to explain really.

feng, your exif says you shot at iso1600, that would explain the noise. But why 1600?

next question... i have my monitor back, and connected it to my laptop. I am running a cordless mouse and keyboard. I want to turn the monitor of my laptop off. How do i do that? My local techo said to toggle f8, but nothing happens.
Tina, look for a function button to press at the same time. Might be in blue text like this Fn.

Edit ---- Tina, the Fn button will be on the laptop keyboard.

[PeacePlanet]

Some insects that I come across the past few days.

Do you know any of the names ???


http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?p=3395681#post3395681

Tina, what do you do to get connected the LCD to your laptop ??? My 7 yo gateway computer needs to be retired I think as now I cannot even reboot !!! But would be nice to use the LCD screen. I tried to connect but nothing seems to happen ? Any configuration needed ????

Thanks ....

Cheers
Al
PS: one more question, how do you keep the EXIF in Photoshop 7 ???

[wakko]

feng, your exif says you shot at iso1600, that would explain the noise. But why 1600?

next question... i have my monitor back, and connected it to my laptop. I am running a cordless mouse and keyboard. I want to turn the monitor of my laptop off. How do i do that? My local techo said to toggle f8, but nothing happens.

ISO1600 should be ok on the 5D... I processed a little for noise though... hrmm... might have another play with it... just can't get the colour to pop :(

It'll be the Fn key like what Greg mentioned... what actual F key to press varies from laptop to laptop... but will usually have something like a pic of a monitor, or a CRT/LCD thing... You can usually press Fn-F8 (Whatever key it is) repeatedly...

alternatively, you can go into power settings and set it so when you close your laptop lid, it does nothing... and then just close it (start > settings > control panel > power settings >advanced)..... OR... run an extended desktop... which is a bit more difficult to explain without knowing what you're running.

*cough* (http://photo.net/equipment/canon/180-macro)

quiet you! :)

Mmm, the 180 is very nice, DoF is even less than the 100 and I'm slowly getting used to it. The quality of the out of focus blur is super smooth. The images I'm getting out of it look different to those from my 105 Macro - hard to explain really.


Oh don't you start :(

Some insects that I come across the past few days.

Do you know any of the names ???


http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?p=3395681#post3395681


Woah weird looking :) heheh
PS: one more question, how do you keep the EXIF in Photoshop 7 ???

Don't save for web... just do a save as, and choose JPG. Save for web strips out EXIF.

[Greg_C]

just can't get the colour to pop :(
Oh don't you start :(

I think 180 macro makes colours really pop!;):p

Sorry = couldn't resist. :p
Have a look at these actions here (http://www.logos-ingegneria.it/photo/download/actions.html). Velvia one can be a little much, Provia ones are better IMHO. Both are adjustment layers so you can tweak the opacity if needed.

I haven't shot much macro above ISO800 and even then I try not to get up that high. Only recently have I sarted to move from ISO100, mostly to get some colour in the background.

[Nick C.]

Edit ---- Tina, the Fn button will be on the laptop keyboard.
For some reason, I found this very funny :D:confused:
I think I pictured Tina searching around the room for the Fn button until Greg came back with the edit. :)

[Mat Fitzsimmons]

Thanks for the kind words guys.

Love those snakes, Helen! Great idea for a photo ... well done.

Here's one more quick NZ pic ... still with that freshly processed smell :D
I'm starting to get some momentum with this processing now.

Hope you don't mind me posting them here - don't really want to start a thread for them, just sharing them with you guys :)


http://www.psychogoat.com/linked/20050527_1394-Edit.jpg

just can't get the colour to pop
For just a little bit of "pop", Unsharp Mask using settings like 10/60/0 does wonders (as strange as it sounds). Doesn't really sharpen, just seems to help with contrast.

[Greg_C]

Helen, I loved the colour in those snakes, very original idea.

For some reason, I found this very funny :D:confused:
I think I pictured Tina searching around the room for the Fn button until Greg came back with the edit.
hehehe, have you guys ever played swap the keyboard buttons trick on somebody? It's great fun in a large office and even better with some one who isn't as computer literate. The M and N keys are perfect.;)

Thanks for the kind words guys.

Love those snakes, Helen! Great idea for a photo ... well done.

Here's one more quick NZ pic ... still with that freshly processed smell
I'm starting to get some momentum with this processing now.

Hope you don't mind me posting them here - don't really want to start a thread for them, just sharing them with you guys

Great shots Mat.

[Meaty0]

Thanks for the kind words guys.

Love those snakes, Helen! Great idea for a photo ... well done.

Here's one more quick NZ pic ... still with that freshly processed smell :D
I'm starting to get some momentum with this processing now.

Hope you don't mind me posting them here - don't really want to start a thread for them, just sharing them with you guys :)

Hey Mat, great shot. I think I have one just like it lurking in my 580 shots still unprocessed:D Do you remember where that one was taken?

[Nick C.]

hehehe, have you guys ever played swap the keyboard buttons trick on somebody? It's great fun in a large office and even better with some one who isn't as computer literate. The M and N keys are perfect.;)
You evil person, you. :evil: ... I'll have to give that a go :)


Very nice, Mat!

Knock knock!
Who's there?
Moss!
Moss who?
Moss not tell anymore of these bad knock knock jokes :rolleyes:

[catsith]

For some reason, I found this very funny
I think I pictured Tina searching around the room for the Fn button until Greg came back with the edit.
haha, i am not blond!! (sometimes i am sure i am though!) Mind you, i had to get my glasses to find the fn button, it is a bit faded on my laptop, but....it doesn't work. I still have my laptop screen up.
Al, i plugged the cable from the monitor into the laptop, and pressed f8, and bingo, there it was. Supposedly, i can press f8 to toggle between both, or either monitor, but it won't toggle. Nothing comes up.

[Greg_C]

You evil person, you. :evil: ... I'll have to give that a go :)


Very nice, Mat!

Knock knock!
Who's there?
Moss!
Moss who?
Moss not tell anymore of these bad knock knock jokes :rolleyes:
haha,

Don't get me started, another favourite is to get into peoples Outlook and change some of the Autocorrect options, then Outlook will automagicly change correctly spelled words for a incorrrectly spelled version. ie add a extra e into the so everytime they type the it comes out as thee. :evil:8-):wink::D

[Greg_C]

haha, i am not blond!! (sometimes i am sure i am though!) Mind you, i had to get my glasses to find the fn button, it is a bit faded on my laptop, but....it doesn't work. I still have my laptop screen up.
Al, i plugged the cable from the monitor into the laptop, and pressed f8, and bingo, there it was. Supposedly, i can press f8 to toggle between both, or either monitor, but it won't toggle. Nothing comes up.
what flavour (brand) laptop Tina? Also another common button this is on is F11 instead of F8, try this one.

[catsith]

woo hoo, i found it, it was the f5 key. thanks guys.

[connormmii]

Here is one dirty and sweaty little 5 year old after soccer training.

[catsith]

hehehe, have you guys ever played swap the keyboard buttons trick on somebody? It's great fun in a large office and even better with some one who isn't as computer literate. The M and N keys are perfect
that's hysterical, i must see if i can do that to someone one day!! too funny. You are a bad boy greg!


beautiful shot mat. I often only post in this thread too, i can't be bothered starting one, especially as i hardly ever browse or comment on any other photos. I never have time.

that's cute connor

[shayb]

I went to see the world press exhibition at the powerhouse yesterday, it is amazing! you have to give your self plenty of time 'cause there is plenty to see.

[Mat Fitzsimmons]

Hey Mat, great shot. I think I have one just like it lurking in my 580 shots still unprocessed:D Do you remember where that one was taken?
Not exactly, but I just checked the other photos I took on that date (May 27, 2005) and it looks like that was the one full day I had in Queenstown, when I drove out to Glenorchy and then up towards Paradise :D

That pic was taken early afternoon, so it would have been somewhere up there. Probably somewhere very close (relatively) to where you were!

[Kelsey-Lee]

hehehe, have you guys ever played swap the keyboard buttons trick on somebody? It's great fun in a large office and even better with some one who isn't as computer literate. The M and N keys are perfect

Hehe, we used to do that at school... until we got in trouble. We changed my graphic's teacher's keyboard around, and he doesn't touch type. Lol, it was hilarious, because he couldn't figure out what was wrong.

[Nick C.]

...especially as i hardly ever browse or comment on any other photos. I never have time.
So says the lady who is standing on the edge of post #4000 ;)

[NerdyNigel]

Hi all, thought I would jump on and say a quick hi thanks to some prodding from GregC. I am slowly getting back into photography after a bit of a break planning a wedding. Now thats out of the road I will hopefully be able to go on a few outings with you all.

I currently have a 350D with assorted extras including the dirty old 18-55mm, 50mm f1.8, 70-200L f4 and the 530EX flash. I am really looking for a good all purpose to replace the 18-55mm in the near future. Not too near though, have to pay some credit cards off from the wedding. Probably looking at the 17-40mm or the 24-105mm.

Anyway, I enjoy photographing pretty much anything and took lots of photo's of Tasmania on my honeymoon. Here's one that we happened to see as we were leaving a place called "The Pub in the Paddock". It's the only place that I know of that you can feed 2 pigs beers. They can finish a full beer in under 4 seconds. Apparently they are world famous. That's about it from me I hope to see you all later.

PS. Yes, the grass really was this green. Unbelievable I know.

http://www.nerdynigel.com/pics/350D_IMG_05228-v1-resized.jpg

[Greg_C]

Hi all, thought I would jump on and say a quick hi thanks to some prodding from GregC. I am slowly getting back into photography after a bit of a break planning a wedding. Now thats out of the road I will hopefully be able to go on a few outings with you all.

I currently have a 350D with assorted extras including the dirty old 18-55mm, 50mm f1.8, 70-200L f4 and the 530EX flash. I am really looking for a good all purpose to replace the 18-55mm in the near future. Not too near though, have to pay some credit cards off from the wedding. Probably looking at the 17-40mm or the 24-105mm.

Anyway, I enjoy photographing pretty much anything and took lots of photo's of Tasmania on my honeymoon. Here's one that we happened to see as we were leaving a place called "The Pub in the Paddock". It's the only place that I know of that you can feed 2 pigs beers. They can finish a full beer in under 4 seconds. Apparently they are world famous. That's about it from me I hope to see you all later.

PS. Yes, the grass really was this green. Unbelievable I know.


Good to see you make it here!. Those pigs sound like a waste of a good beer, unless it was someone elses that is.;) Nice shot. The other half won't want you hanging out here. We're a very bad influence and you might get that new walk around sooner than you think.

[Meaty0]

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Woohoo....Photoshop CS3 upgrade arrives tomorrow :D

[catsith]

So says the lady who is standing on the edge of post #4000
oh my goodness, so i am, but i used to browse a lot when i first joined up, but lately i have been visiting other forums, and i just don't have as much time now, so i usually only check out the brissie and ozzie threads.

[catsith]

paul, stop it!
however, since i havn't mastered cs2 yet, i don't think i will upgrade yet.

hehe, greg, you are evil, but we are now forewarned. never leave our laptops unattended when you are around!

hi nigel, nice rainbow. I won't be in tassie till next year, apscon is being held in launceston.

[-spam-]

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Woohoo....Photoshop CS3 upgrade arrives tomorrow :D

When i switch to a macbook (probably sooner than later given how the pc is playing up again ) I will be getting a copy of it for that.

Just realised, a macbook with 2gig of ram is twice as powerful as my desktop pc :confused:

[NerdyNigel]

Good to see you make it here!. Those pigs sound like a waste of a good beer, unless it was someone elses that is.;) Nice shot. The other half won't want you hanging out here. We're a very bad influence and you might get that new walk around sooner than you think.

Thanks Greg, we were given beers to give the pigs and apparently it was home brew as the real stuff was costing too much. Here's a couple snaps of the offenders. Not sure if I should be posting many pics in this forum.

http://www.nerdynigel.com/pics/350D_IMG_05216-v1-resized.jpg

http://www.nerdynigel.com/pics/350D_IMG_05214-v1-resized.jpg

[catsith]

nigel, i think u can post as often as you want, they just want to to post only a couple or so at a time.

god, i am too tired, nite all!

[Meaty0]

I went to see the world press exhibition at the powerhouse yesterday, it is amazing! you have to give your self plenty of time 'cause there is plenty to see.

I second that. I left the exhibition feeling mighty thankful I live here in Oz.

[shayb]

thats true Paul, some photos where quite gruesome, but very powerful.

[Carjo]

hehehe, have you guys ever played swap the keyboard buttons trick on somebody? It's great fun in a large office and even better with some one who isn't as computer literate. The M and N keys are perfect.;)

My mother and sisters decided to clean the keyboard one day while I was out. We're lucky that we have two computers otherwise they'd have been up the creek. :p They didn't do a perfect job though... I have to press Page Up now instead of End. :confused: That was a couple of months ago, so I'm used to it now and do it without thinking.

Feng - Haven't quite seen anyone hand over a hundred yet (and I hope I don't) but I see plenty of 20's being handed over, only to get a whole lot of shrapnel given back to them. Translink really need to give them more of the larger stuff in case they get people like that.

Helen - re: shrapnel - They should be thankful. When on express registers at Coles I soon learnt to take shrapnel as a blessing. Saves the embarrasing task of having to ask people if they have correct change if you run out of the small stuff later on.

Translink seriously needs a kick in the proverbial pants. Most of their drivers suck at cashflow management... HORRID customer service skills... not to mention that tonight was the second time in a month that I've had to give the bus driver directions on which way to go. And both times it was on the bus home from Chermside... I'd hate to hear how long it took them to get to the city. :confused:

[-spam-]

TIn the mean time I have to sell my 28-135 IS. Anyone have any idea what that would be worth?

Just spoke to my dad about it and he is very interested in it. How much would you want for it?

[Carjo]

I second that. I left the exhibition feeling mighty thankful I live here in Oz.

I fourth that. Did you see the soldier in the wedding portrait? Poor guy. :confused:

[Greg_C]

Thanks Greg, we were given beers to give the pigs and apparently it was home brew as the real stuff was costing too much. Here's a couple snaps of the offenders. Not sure if I should be posting many pics in this forum.

http://www.nerdynigel.com/pics/350D_IMG_05216-v1-resized.jpg


I can just imagine the AA meeting, hi I'm Priscilla and I have a problem.

[Mat Fitzsimmons]

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Woohoo....Photoshop CS3 upgrade arrives tomorrow :D
I must have been preemptively subliminaled ... or something :)

http://www.psychogoat.com/linked/20070618_1041-Edit.jpg

Tis good :D

[-spam-]

Tis good :D

Tis indeed.

Altgough mine will probably end up being OS X (tiger), OS X (leopard), CS3, Lightroom and for the sake of it, Aperture ;)

[wakko]

Tis indeed.

Altgough mine will probably end up being OS X (tiger), OS X (leopard), CS3, Lightroom and for the sake of it, Aperture ;)

I've decided to go away from MAC for my main processing machine...

[connormmii]

Morning all. Geez it is cold and windy this morning.(Well it was at 4.00am on my way to work). Tina, when are you starting your mobile courses? My PP sucks and really needs some help......I need to book in:). I went to shoot some soccer shots last night:confused: either i sucked big time or it was too low light (4pm) cos nearly everyone was blurred and the ones that werent were noisy as hell when run through lightroom. is there any focusing tips when shooting fast moving sports. (ie when they are running towards or from off the side of frame cos i seemed to be getting everything else in focus but the players grrrrrrrrrr.

[catsith]

connor my first lesson is this sunday. I have split my course into 3 sections, understanding your camera, and what all those functions are and can do, the second one is photography basics, composition, rule of thirds, using those functions we learnt in lesson1, and no3 is post processing. I'll send you a pm.

[Scorpio]

Hello folks! Greg suggested I come on over here to cause some trouble ;-)


Acutally, I'm planning a trip to your corner of the world and would very much appreciate any and all local insight into the matter- Read all about it! (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=335195)

Thanks!

[wakko]

heh welcome Dan and Nigel (heard about you from Greg! :) hahahha *cough cough*)

[three]

hehe... someone tell feng to stop it! he is trying to convince me to buy more lenses for my camera.. and i havent even finished paying for it yet :( :(

although a 24-105mm f/4L IS USM AF would still be nice...

*sigh*

[wakko]

*cough* wasn't me :| *cough*

[three]

rude.

[Meaty0]

I've decided to go away from MAC for my main processing machine...

What worries me (a little) is, that every super successful professional photographer I've met/talked to/had lessons from/read books by...has used a Mac. What do they know that we don't?;) (Or maybe it's what they DON'T know.:D)

[Meaty0]

I must have been preemptively subliminaled ... or something :)

http://www.psychogoat.com/linked/20070618_1041-Edit.jpg

Tis good :D


MAT SCHWARZENEGGER......THE SUBLIMINATOR:D

[kendickson]

I must have been preemptively subliminaled ... or something :)

http://www.psychogoat.com/linked/20070618_1041-Edit.jpg

Tis good :D

Hey Matt - where do you live and where do you leave your front door key when you are out? No particular reason for asking mind you :rolleyes:

[catsith]

Hey Matt - where do you live and where do you leave your front door key when you are out? No particular reason for asking mind you
haha, he lives closer to me than u!

[Meaty0]

Oooo Mat. Just thought of a question...(No...not where you hide your spare key).

Since you have both CS3 and LR and have presumably used both for a wee while now, do you find yourself using one much more than the other? (And of course..which one?) Well that's two questions, but there you go.

EDIT: Just thought of yet ANOTHER question. I see you have an Engin "Voice Box". I've been interested in the VoIP deal. Does this give you a reasonably fast broadband conection (being wireless, is it slower than "wired" modems)?

[catsith]

dan, i replied on your other thread. Stay tuned here, and give us some updates on when exactly you will be travelling etc, and then we can throw in our 2c worth. consider driving a car, far better than relying on tours, and cheaper in the long run i think. there is heaps to see just in our little corner of the world... apart from the gold coast and sunshine coast, there are the hinterlands, both north and south are beautiful. then head up to hervey bay, and do fraser island. fly up to cairns and spend a week up there, lots to do. fly to darwin, go to kakadu etc, so many options.

[wakko]

What worries me (a little) is, that every super successful professional photographer I've met/talked to/had lessons from/read books by...has used a Mac. What do they know that we don't?;) (Or maybe it's what they DON'T know.:D)

I think it's just that I'm on a Dual G5 machine... and it just seems to struggle with the likes of lightroom etc. :|

Just thinking whether they're optimised for Intel chips now...

[Mat Fitzsimmons]

Oooo Mat. Just thought of a question...(No...not where you hide your spare key).

Since you have both CS3 and LR and have presumably used both for a wee while now, do you find yourself using one much more than the other? (And of course..which one?) Well that's two questions, but there you go.

It's a little hard to explain (I'm not very good at explaining things), but they're really different applications, however they work together really well (I guess they've been designed to, so you'd hope so).

Essentially what I do is:*

1. I use Lightroom to organise my photos and sort them into collections, put keywords on them for searching/sorting, etc. Only the RAW files, as it displays RAW files nicely and fairly quickly.

2. When I want to process some files, I do the bulk "whole of photo" adjustments in Lightroom - cropping, WB adjustment, exposure (the normal camera RAW type adjustments). I typically do this to all the photos using Lightroom. Still only working with the RAW files - all the adjustments are stored in .XMP files the same as with Camera RAW.

3. If I want to give a particular photo a bit more attention - if it's something special, or I want to do something more than I can do in Lightroom, I right-click over the photo in Lightroom and there's an option called "Edit in Photoshop CS3". That then opens the file as a PSD in Photoshop where you can do whatever editing you like to it.

4. When I finish editing in Photoshop, I just hit "Save" and close that file. Then when I go back to Lightroom, there'll be a .PSD of that photo "stacked" on top of the original Lightroom-adjusted RAW file. You can unstack them if you want to - so you can see the Photoshop-edited version and the one without the Photoshop edits.

5. Then, when I finally want to make some JPGs of those photos, or TIFFs, or whatever (upload them to the web as a gallery, print them, all the other stuff you can do in Lightroom), I just export them from Lightroom. Lightroom exports the RAW files with the Lightroom adjustments, plus whatever photos are on top of stacks, so if I had the .PSD of the Photoshop-edited photo from step 4. "stacked" on top of the original RAW, I'd only get a JPG of the Photoshop-edited version. If they were "unstacked", I'd get JPGs of both.

So ... the upshot is that Lightroom is kind of like a front end for Photoshop. I've found that it's sped up my workflow a lot, and it's also allowed me to remove a lot of duplication, as I now only keep the RAW files (and any .PSD edits) in my library, and only dump out the final JPGs (or whatever) when I need them. I'm fairly impressed.

You could come around and have a look at it sometime if you like.



* no idea if this is anywhere near an "optimal" way of using them together - I probably haven't used them for long enough yet

[Mat Fitzsimmons]

EDIT: Just thought of yet ANOTHER question. I see you have an Engin "Voice Box". I've been interested in the VoIP deal. Does this give you a reasonably fast broadband conection (being wireless, is it slower than "wired" modems)?
Hehe, it's great :)

It's still a normal "wired" modem (an ADSL2+ modem), it's just a wireless access point as well. I'm not actually using the wireless part of it at the moment.

The VOIP quality is great - nobody I talk to can tell the difference between it and a normal phonecall. I was a bit worried that there might be some delay or lag, but there isn't.

My ADSL connection is around 6.5Mb (I'm on an 8Mb plan, but a long way from my exchange). I've also set it up for my mum on her 1.5Mb connection and it works fine there too.

I'm on a plan where I get all my local and STD calls included for $15/month. Considering how much my calls to Wagga would be costing me otherwise, it's a lifesaver :D

[connormmii]

can someone give me advice on this shot i took yesterday afternoon i thought it would have come out a lot sharper than this like it was frozen but this was the best from a pick of the bunch. Im going wrong somewhere just dont know where. ISO 800, f/4, 1/500 shutter

[Mat Fitzsimmons]

It looks OK to me, but it depends what sort of advice you're after?

Could have possibly done with a faster shutter speed, judging by the hands - ISO1600 and 1/1000 may have improved it.

Other than that, have you sharpened it in processing? Was it shot as a JPG or RAW?


Cheers,
Mat.

[Nick C.]

That's not too bad, Stuart. I think you mentioned the light was not too good and that certainly looks to be the case going by those settings.
I suppose you're only option really is what Mat suggested to get that shutter speed up. Or you could ask Connor to run a little slower next time ;)

Mat, I like the idea of that stacking feature in LR. However I'm not a fan of keeping PSD files of all photos (not enough space) so if you saved the Photoshopped pic as a JPEG instead of PSD, does it automatically stack that onto the RAW as well?
Oh, and regarding the raw adjustments in LR, is there anything beyond what the CS3 Camera RAW can do?

[connormmii]

shot in RAW and sharpened but there was a lot of noise even with the iso set at 800. I have been reading some other threads and i may try using AI SERVO setting instead of ONE SHOT while using the * button for AF

[wakko]

shot in RAW and sharpened but there was a lot of noise even with the iso set at 800. I have been reading some other threads and i may try using AI SERVO setting instead of ONE SHOT while using the * button for AF

ever since I started using *, I can't stop recommending it :) it's great.

[three]

i may try using AI SERVO setting instead of ONE SHOT while using the * button for AF

Thats what i do! actually feng got me into the habit of metering and focussing separately - that extra bit of manual tweaking is useful :)

[Meaty0]

Thanks for that Mat

I think that's the best description of Lightroom I've seen. It's basically what I do now. I use Adobe Convertor to covert the CR2 RAW files to DNG RAW files (no messy .xmp sidecar files to worry about). Then I use adobe bridge to view and open files in Adobe Camera RAW to initially edit them. If they need further editing, I proceed to Photoshop and save them as TIFF files. I don't think I'll get Lightroom for now.

I then have the "original" DNG RAW file stored with the TIFF. I create JPEGs from that if I need it. I use iView MediaPro (now Microsoft Expression) to catalogue them.

I'm thinking of changing my workflow, by getting hold of Phase One's "Capture One" software to do the RAW processing instead of Camera RAW. It should reduce my usage of Photoshop altogether I hope.

[catsith]

connormmii, is your name stuart?? Why didn't u correct me!:o

[Meaty0]

can someone give me advice on this shot i took yesterday afternoon i thought it would have come out a lot sharper than this like it was frozen but this was the best from a pick of the bunch. Im going wrong somewhere just dont know where. ISO 800, f/4, 1/500 shutter

Hi Stuart,

The picture is tonally flat due to the light it was shot in. It DESPERATELY needs a "Levels" adjustment to improve the tonal range.

[wakko]

connormmii, is your name stuart?? Why didn't u correct me!:o

heheh connor's his son, and born in 2002 or MMII or something :) he mentioned it a while ago...

[connormmii]

Hi Stuart,

The picture is tonally flat due to the light it was shot in. It DESPERATELY needs a "Levels" adjustment to improve the tonal range.

Hmm havent had too much to do with the levels adjustment feel free to have go for me;)

[Meaty0]

Here ya go Stuart; a simple levels adjustment and I added a vignette to the edges to throw attention more on the subject.

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/2716/mg1122jz0.jpg

[connormmii]

Thats awesome i love the vignette. Is there a tutorial for how to do that

[Trumples]

Hi folks!

A friend in Sydney mentioned this group to me yesterday, been slowly wading through some of the posts, wading wading......

Would really like some advice on the Camera Clubs in BrisVegas - what/where/how good etc. I'm in Carindale.

Went to the World Press Exhib at the Powerhouse on Sunday, some great work - would highly recommend it to anyone with a interest in photography.

Any meet-ups planned in this group in the near future?

[Mat Fitzsimmons]

Mat, I like the idea of that stacking feature in LR. However I'm not a fan of keeping PSD files of all photos (not enough space) so if you saved the Photoshopped pic as a JPEG instead of PSD, does it automatically stack that onto the RAW as well?As far as I can tell it wouldn't stack it automatically, as Lightroom first creates a PSD version of the RAW, stacks it with the original RAW, and then opens it in Photoshop. Then when you hit "save" in photoshop it just saves changes to that PSD file.

If you saved it as a JPG in Photoshop and wanted it to be stacked with the original RAW, I think you'd have to import it and stack it yourself (as far as I can tell).

The space issue hasn't really bothered me yet, as I tend to only edit maybe 1 in 20 photos in Photoshop, so I don't create a whole lot of PSD files. The rest I just carry as the original RAWs with the Lightroom adjustment XMP files (which are tiny).

That and because I have 5 x 300GB drives in RAID5 holding my data :D
Hard disk space is so cheap now ... a 750GB drive is getting down towards $300.

Oh, and regarding the raw adjustments in LR, is there anything beyond what the CS3 Camera RAW can do?
I'm not really sure, I haven't really compared the two. The only adjustments I tend to make in Lightroom are exposure, white balance, contrast/saturation and cropping.

Here are the Lightroom "develop" panels for more info (sorry for the huge post!).
These 4 sections are really one long vertically-laid-out panel.

http://www.psychogoat.com/linked/LRpanel1.jpg http://www.psychogoat.com/linked/LRpanel3.jpg
http://www.psychogoat.com/linked/LRpanel2.jpg http://www.psychogoat.com/linked/LRpanel4.jpg

[justin carpenter]

Paul, something I like about LR is that it converts the RAW files to .dng straight off the card when importing.

[catsith]

hi trumples. hmm, camera clubs, there is mt gravatt, redlands, wynumm.
http://www.psq.org.au/pages/psq_clubs.htm
here is a link from the psq site listing camera clubs in queensland. i belong to 2 clubs, and a few guys here belong to bcg. I think camera clubs are great!
No planned meetings yet, but we are an improptu lot, and often only get a few days/hours notice of something happening.

[catsith]

stuart, i am not sure where paul did it, but mine is in dp or acr, and i can add it before i convert my raw to a jpeg. You can also use the burn tool to create that sort of look, but you have to be careful with it.

[Mat Fitzsimmons]

... and another NZ pic from 2005.

From Queenstown, with a backdrop of The Remarkables.
Not a bad spot for a game of Rugby.

-sigh- Can't wait to go back over there :(

http://www.psychogoat.com/linked/20050528_1489-Edit.jpg

[catsith]

Can't wait to go back over there
same here, love all those nz photos.

[justin carpenter]

Great shot Mat, love the colours !

[Nick C.]

Cheers, Mat!
And I love the photo! I'm starting to detect a fancy for wide angles from you. Not that you'd probably want to use much else with such stunning landscape over there.

[wakko]

great NZ shots!!

I can't wait to go back at the end of the year. Helen hasn't been down south so I may take her around :)

[Meaty0]

Paul, something I like about LR is that it converts the RAW files to .dng straight off the card when importing.

Well what are the .xmp files Mat refers to? DNG files incorporate RAW changes into the file itself.

[Meaty0]

... and another NZ pic from 2005.

From Queenstown, with a backdrop of The Remarkables.
Not a bad spot for a game of Rugby.

-sigh- Can't wait to go back over there :(





Hehehe....we parked next to that football field on many occasions. (Near the airport?) NZer's are rugby crazy:D

[Meaty0]

Thats awesome i love the vignette. Is there a tutorial for how to do that

Sorry Stuart. Being in this forum is like having five conversations at once:D

The Levels adjustment is one of the basic adjustments of any version of Photoshop.

Vignetting is like conversion to black and white, in that there are many different ways of doing it. Can you tell us what kind of image adjustment software you have?

Really all you have to do is select an oval-shaped selection around the subject. Then you click "Select>Inverse" to invert the selection. Then you select "feather" and use a value of around 200 pixels. Then you use Brightness/Contrast or Levels or Curves to darken the selection. Viola!

[Greg_C]

Nice shot Mat.

Well what are the .xmp files Mat refers to? DNG files incorporate RAW changes into the file itself.
See here for a explanation of XMP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensible_Metadata_Platform).

[Mat Fitzsimmons]

Well what are the .xmp files Mat refers to? DNG files incorporate RAW changes into the file itself.
Ahhh, that's just because I prefer to keep them as RAW + XMP files than have it convert them to DNG. Not convinced about DNG files yet.

I actually don't use Lightroom to download my card either, I still use Downloader Pro. I use it to download the card, rename the files and put them in the directories I want. I then just import them into Lightroom at their current location, which leaves the files where they are, but builds them into the Lightroom database.

Hehehe....we parked next to that football field on many occasions. (Near the airport?) NZer's are rugby crazy
Yep, that's the one :D

[Meaty0]

Ahhh, that's just because I prefer to keep them as RAW + XMP files than have it convert them to DNG. Not convinced about DNG files yet.

I actually don't use Lightroom to download my card either, I still use Downloader Pro. I use it to download the card, rename the files and put them in the directories I want. I then just import them into Lightroom at their current location, which leaves the files where they are, but builds them into the Lightroom database.


Yep, that's the one :D

Why not just use the camera downloader that now comes with PS CS3? Edit: DNG are great btw...never had a problem.

See here for a explanation of XMP Thanks mate...I'll have a look at that.

[Mat Fitzsimmons]

Why not just use the camera downloader that now comes with PS CS3? Edit: DNG are great btw...never had a problem.
-shrug-
Just used to Downloader Pro I guess. It does everything I want, plus I bought it (and that's all it does), so I feel some compulsion to use it :)

Yeah, I suspect I'll change over to DNG sometime (and get Lightroom to convert everything in my library ... that might take a while :D) ... but for some reason I prefer having completely read-only untouched RAW files at the moment. Not really sure why, probably some kind of OCD thing :-?

[Nick C.]

Well what are the .xmp files Mat refers to? DNG files incorporate RAW changes into the file itself.
Paul, did you know you can change where the ACR settings for your RAW files are stored (ie. you can choose between having .xmp files or storing them in the 'camera raw database')?
I use the camera raw database because I'm not too fond of those messy .xmp files either.

[connormmii]

Sorry Stuart. Being in this forum is like having five conversations at once:D

The Levels adjustment is one of the basic adjustments of any version of Photoshop.

Vignetting is like conversion to black and white, in that there are many different ways of doing it. Can you tell us what kind of image adjustment software you have?

I have PS CS3 and Lightroom.

[Meaty0]

I have PS CS3 and Lightroom.

Whoa! Talk about "starting at the top"

Did anyone notice that it's a good night to photograph this....(hopefully better than I did)?

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/3836/moonsaturn2ym5.jpg

And yes, that's Saturn just off to the left. You can just barely see its rings.

[Mat Fitzsimmons]

Love it!
Great moon shot. :)

[Carjo]

Paul, I just checked the EXIF on the moon shot. How did you add your name to the Artist/Copyright attributes?

[Meaty0]

Paul, I just checked the EXIF on the moon shot. How did you add your name to the Artist/Copyright attributes?

In Photoshop CS2, go to File>File Info. This will bring up Photoshop's Metadata Editor. You can add the artist/copyright there, along with a whole lot of other IPTC stuff.

Actually I now use Microsoft Expression (iView MediaPro) to add it all automatically when I catalogue the image.:D

[-spam-]

Well buying the sigma zoom fell through (money issues on my part :( ) so i know have some money burning a hole in my bank account. Just wondering what i should get.

Im looking at the sigma 24-70 f2.8 or the tamron one or perhaps the tamron 17-50 f2.8

I want a flash too, but that might have to wait a few weeks until i can sort out my tax return stuff

[wakko]

Whoa! Talk about "starting at the top"

Did anyone notice that it's a good night to photograph this....(hopefully better than I did)?

And yes, that's Saturn just off to the left. You can just barely see its rings.

Great shot paul... if only I had a lens longer than 100mm :( ah well :|

o/~ "one way... or another... i'm gonna getchagetchagetcha.... one way... or another..."

[Meaty0]

Great shot paul... if only I had a lens longer than 100mm :( ah well :|

o/~ "one way... or another... i'm gonna getchagetchagetcha.... one way... or another..."

Hire one.... off me:D Reasonable rates:p Damn...now that song's stuck in my head....:evil:

[-spam-]

if only I had a lens longer than 100mm :( ah well :|

hey, my longest at the moment is 55mm. :-|

[catsith]

spam. i am a little confused. I am assuming you aren't getting your zoom because you don't have enough money? why don't you wait till you have enough then? i love my zoom lens

great shot paul

[-spam-]

spam. i am a little confused. I am assuming you aren't getting your zoom because you don't have enough money? why don't you wait till you have enough then? i love my zoom lens

The guy sold it locally today. No biggie really. And it now means that i wont be living on air in the bank account :)

[Meaty0]

The guy sold it locally today. No biggie really. And it now means that i wont be living on air in the bank account :)

I love your zoom lens as well Tina:D

[wakko]

Hire one.... off me:D Reasonable rates:p Damn...now that song's stuck in my head....:evil:

hahaha :) catchy tune eh? :P

[-spam-]

ooh and i just found out that photobuff does direct deposit as one of their forms of payment. That could be good news for my camera bag but very bad news for my bank ballance ;)

[kendickson]

... and another NZ pic from 2005.

From Queenstown, with a backdrop of The Remarkables.
Not a bad spot for a game of Rugby.

-sigh- Can't wait to go back over there :(





Mat,

Great rugby shot - beautiful background

[HelenThura]

In Photoshop CS2, go to File>File Info. This will bring up Photoshop's Metadata Editor. You can add the artist/copyright there, along with a whole lot of other IPTC stuff.

Actually I now use Microsoft Expression (iView MediaPro) to add it all automatically when I catalogue the image.:D

One of the options in one of the programs that comes with the Canon, lets you add your name to the camera. I can't remember what program it is though.

A response to the winning World Press Photo (http://www.pdnonline.com/pdn/newswire/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003548862) - a pretty interesting read.

[HelenThura]

Great shot paul... if only I had a lens longer than 100mm :( ah well :|

o/~ "one way... or another... i'm gonna getchagetchagetcha.... one way... or another..."

hey, my longest at the moment is 55mm. :-|


you both know that you want to go wider not longer. 12mm people :D

[wakko]

ooh and i just found out that photobuff does direct deposit as one of their forms of payment. That could be good news for my camera bag but very bad news for my bank ballance ;)

Yeah that's how I paid too ;) gotta love that :)

you both know that you want to go wider not longer. 12mm people :D

hehe... mmm 12mm loving :D but I need length.... 12mm on a FF is pretty wide... :D hehhehe...

I'm actually thinking of trading my 17-40 for a 16-35 so I can get f2.8 :|

David? do you want a 17-40 :D?

[-spam-]

you both know that you want to go wider not longer. 12mm people :D

Your right, thats why im looking at the 10-20 ;)



hehe... mmm 12mm loving :D but I need length.... 12mm on a FF is pretty wide... :D hehhehe...

You can always use a sigma 10-20 on the 5d as well. Its not like the EF-S stuff and will actually mount and work properly on a FF camera


David? do you want a 17-40 :D?

how much?

[wakko]

how much?

hahahah dunno... probably around the $800 mark.... minty fresh with box, pouch manual everything etc... but that's only if I can get 16-35 for not too expensive like :|

i dont' NEEEEEEEEEEEED it... just would like the extra stop :)

[Greg_C]

One of the options in one of the programs that comes with the Canon, lets you add your name to the camera. I can't remember what program it is though.

A response to the winning World Press Photo (http://www.pdnonline.com/pdn/newswire/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003548862) - a pretty interesting read.

For the newer Camera's it's in the EOD Utility. They changed this about the time they released the 5D or 30D. This only puts it into the Canon Maker notes fields. I actually use DownloaderPro to add similar data to the IPTC fields also as it downloads the files from the card reader to the PC.

[Andrew Carpenter]

Finally I've had a moment to go over my sunrise shots fropm 2nd ave Toowoong Cemetry.

[Andrew Carpenter]

And a couple more.

[wakko]

ooo i like the 4th one :) that's a great shot :)

[HelenThura]

ohh I like that last one as well. Very cool.

[Carjo]

Apparently it is 8 degrees outside in some places. :confused: And I'll be wearing business attire today... damn it. Good luck trying to stay warm, everybody! :)

[Andrew Carpenter]

Thanks Feng and Helen, It was worth the wait in the cold, I doubt if I'd venture out to take the same shot today, that wind is nuts.

[Meaty0]

hahahah dunno... probably around the $800 mark.... minty fresh with box, pouch manual everything etc... but that's only if I can get 16-35 for not too expensive like :|

i dont' NEEEEEEEEEEEED it... just would like the extra stop :)

Just curious. What situation do you think you'd need the extra stop for?:confused:

[connormmii]

Apparently it is 8 degrees outside in some places. :confused: And I'll be wearing business attire today... damn it. Good luck trying to stay warm, everybody! :)

Wind chill is down about 3 or 4 too. (I swear i saw a polar bear wearing a beanie and jacket) Colder than a mother in laws kiss. Im working in a 2 degree cold room and its warmer in there than outside this morning.

[connormmii]

Hi folks!

A friend in Sydney mentioned this group to me yesterday, been slowly wading through some of the posts, wading wading......

Would really like some advice on the Camera Clubs in BrisVegas - what/where/how good etc. I'm in Carindale.

Went to the World Press Exhib at the Powerhouse on Sunday, some great work - would highly recommend it to anyone with a interest in photography.

Any meet-ups planned in this group in the near future?

Trumples, it seems we have same friend in Sydney, just got off the phone with him and he mentioned you had posted. Welcome.

[HelenThura]

Just curious. What situation do you think you'd need the extra stop for?:confused:

I would like the 17-40 only because it is so much cheaper than the 16-35 but am saving for the 16-35 for that extra mm and more importantly the extra stop because bring on the low light :D

Though at the end of the day it all really comes down to what you shoot as to whether or not you get the 16-35 compared to the 17-40. As much as I love my 70-200 f4, I am starting to think I sholud have got the 2.8

[Greg_C]

I went for the 24-105 f4, though the extra stop would be nice I usually just chuck on a prime (30, 50, 85) at that gives me almost 2 stops, mind you, without the convenience of the zoom.

[wakko]

Just curious. What situation do you think you'd need the extra stop for?:confused:

I would like the 17-40 only because it is so much cheaper than the 16-35 but am saving for the 16-35 for that extra mm and more importantly the extra stop because bring on the low light :D

Though at the end of the day it all really comes down to what you shoot as to whether or not you get the 16-35 compared to the 17-40. As much as I love my 70-200 f4, I am starting to think I sholud have got the 2.8

I'm similar to Helen on this line of thought... I've just needed the extra stop a couple of times in door wanting to do some wide work where f/4 just wasn't fast enough... and I didn't want to use a flash (taking piccies of baby etc)... I'm not phased... dont' get me wrong... love the 17-40 and already have that... (was cheap yes)... but just found it restrictive in a case where the stop would've been nice.

I went for the 24-105 f4, though the extra stop would be nice I usually just chuck on a prime (30, 50, 85) at that gives me almost 2 stops, mind you, without the convenience of the zoom.

how much does your bag weigh again? :lol::lol::lol:

[three]

David? do you want a 17-40 :D?

*gulp*.......

NO!!!

stop it feng :(

[wakko]

*gulp*.......

NO!!!

stop it feng :(

aw comeon :lol::lol::lol: you know you want to :lol::lol:

[three]

that actually worked last time (30D body..)

[wakko]

that actually worked last time (30D body..)

hehe just hanging out the baited hook... ya never know when you'll get a bite eh? :D

[Greg_C]

I'm similar to Helen on this line of thought... I've just needed the extra stop a couple of times in door wanting to do some wide work where f/4 just wasn't fast enough... and I didn't want to use a flash (taking piccies of baby etc)... I'm not phased... dont' get me wrong... love the 17-40 and already have that... (was cheap yes)... but just found it restrictive in a case where the stop would've been nice.
Priiiime, priiime, priiime:D


how much does your bag weigh again? :lol::lol::lol:

about 10kg:o, although as soon as you take the body and one lens out this reduces quickly.

[wakko]

Priiiime, priiime, priiime:D

about 10kg:o, although as soon as you take the body and one lens out this reduces quickly.

Yah I live primes too. I'd love a 35 f/1.4L but 70-200 is a greater priority as is the 180 macro.

I have a 50 f/1.4 and an 85 f/1.2L already. Will probably sell my 50 f/1.4 when my contax adapter and split prism turn up :D (if the lens is any good :) which I have no doubt it will be :))

[Trumples]

Trumples, it seems we have same friend in Sydney, just got off the phone with him and he mentioned you had posted. Welcome.

Good lord that boy gets around. I suppose this will be another place that I can't hide from him - sigh. :rolleyes:

Does he ever actually work is what i wonder........

Thanks for welcome!

[Mat Fitzsimmons]

I'm considering changing my 17-40 for a 16-35 f2.8L II, but not for the extra stop or the extra mm. I pretty much always use it at f8 and ISO100 (99% of the time I use it for landscapes), so I've got lots of aperture and ISO stops I could use before it'd run out of puff :)

I've just found that although my 17-40 is an amazing lens on a crop body, it's a little soft in the corners on a FF body, and it seems that the new 16-35 is improved in that regard.

One day, maybe ... one day ... :)

[wakko]

I'm considering changing my 17-40 for a 16-35 f2.8L II, but not for the extra stop or the extra mm. I pretty much always use it at f8 and ISO100 (99% of the time I use it for landscapes), so I've got lots of aperture and ISO stops I could use before it'd run out of puff :)

I've just found that although my 17-40 is an amazing lens on a crop body, it's a little soft in the corners on a FF body, and it seems that the new 16-35 is improved in that regard.

One day, maybe ... one day ... :)

yeah... it's more for those odd occasions where I just would love the extra stop. I'd probably settle for the MkI though cos I'd like to keep my filter ring size the same :) hahahah silly reason but *shrug*... after all it's only for the stop :)

[-Pleiades-]

Ello all, it's freezing here too. I was just at work at the jewellers at the shopping centre - nice and air con but I'm just about to go to coles to work and even though they have air con I'm right near the door so I get blasted with the cold every time it opens :( And at home my heater is broken, double :( :( I'm wrapped up in the doona at the moment.

My next lens is going to be a wide angle. I miss my 10-22 since selling it, shame it's an ef-s. All this talk of people selling their 17-40's could be dangerous for me :S

[wakko]

mmm 17-40 sellage :) *grin*... someone sell me their 16-35 mk1 :) thanks :)

look what they did to me in the "all hope is lost" thread :( /me points at title... lol... so I changed my avatar to suit :)

[Greg_C]

gee guys this thread has turned into a fully fledged buy/sell forum. Ah I miss the days when it was subtle, oh about 150 pages ago.:p ;)

[wakko]

hahah it's never been subtle and you know it :D hahah...

[-spam-]

look what they did to me in the "all hope is lost" thread :( /me points at title... lol... so I changed my avatar to suit :)

I was wondering when you would get a new title. :) It was the first thing i saw when i opened the thread and i couldnt stop laughing.

[Greg_C]

Spent a bit of time customising the EXIF panel in IMatch today. There is a viewer built in that shows all of the EXIF but the tabs you can see below are easily customised to give quick access to this info without having to use the viewer. This is very cool as a lot of the info I've shown is Canon maker note specific. Some of the fields like the Shooting Data as really 5 different EXIF fields strung together.

Tina, let me know if you want to do this to your copy of IMatch and I'll tell you how to load the file

http://www.steadyhands.net/share/ImatchExif.jpg

[wakko]

I was wondering when you would get a new title. :) It was the first thing i saw when i opened the thread and i couldnt stop laughing.

:| it's all david's fault :(

[Greg_C]

^^ congrats on the new title Feng. :wink: Only so long you can keep a low profile hey!

[wakko]

I was wondering when you would get a new title. :) It was the first thing i saw when i opened the thread and i couldnt stop laughing.

^^ congrats on the new title Feng. :wink: Only so long you can keep a low profile hey!

:o

thanks Greg (I think)... i was sorta keeping a low profile... wasn't I? :|

[-spam-]

thanks Greg (I think)... i was sorta keeping a low profile... wasn't I? :|

Posting in the general chat forum is like running naked through the city, it makes it very hard for you not to be noticed :p

[wakko]

Posting in the general chat forum is like running naked through the city, it makes it very hard for you not to be noticed :p

mmmm but it's a funny thread though :|

what's wrong with running through the city naked? :O

[three]

*cough*

i dont do that!

[catsith]

hehe feng, the title is funny!
david, did u get my emails?
kinnon, go BUY a heater!!

god greg, i am confused before i even look.

[-spam-]

what's wrong with running through the city naked? :O

Nothing is wrong with it, just dont do it on a day like today. Some people might get the wrong impression of you... :rolleyes:;)

[Greg_C]

what's wrong with running through the city naked? :O
bits drop off on days like today!

[Greg_C]

god greg, i am confused before i even look.

just compare above to the default EXIF panel in IMatch. You can baffle all of those students.;)

[Meaty0]

mmmm but it's a funny thread though :|

what's wrong with running through the city naked? :O

People might poke fun at your shortcomings!

[PeacePlanet]

I am so cold and i cannot take photos properly today, nearly all shots this arvo are off. Maybe time to head the bed early for that nice and warm quilt.

Now, Feng nobody could force you to not going around naked if you want to in this weather. Just get a proper group of nudists with you for protection from staring eyes LOL and for warmth.

Peace

[wakko]

*cough*

i dont do that!

sure you don't!!! you told me you do during one of your bouts of drunkeness... :)

hehe feng, the title is funny!

hahah it is kinda true though huh? :o

Nothing is wrong with it, just dont do it on a day like today. Some people might get the wrong impression of you... :rolleyes:;)

bits drop off on days like today!

People might poke fun at your shortcomings!

mmmm shrinkage... I mean... er... brrrrr cold :|

Now, Feng nobody could force you to not going around naked if you want to in this weather. Just get a proper group of nudists with you for protection from staring eyes LOL and for warmth.

they'd all probably go blind though.... :) i'm pastie white :|