Brisbane POTN: General Ramblings Thread

[Ospi]

Anyone here know where i could possibly hire a Sigma 100-300 f/4 EX? I want to buy one but im skeptical about it and would like to try one first at a full event so i can do some proper comparisons with my prime.

[-spam-]

Anyone here know where i could possibly hire a Sigma 100-300 f/4 EX? I want to buy one but im skeptical about it and would like to try one first at a full event so i can do some proper comparisons with my prime.

Wouldnt have a clue. But if you find a place and once you have tried it out for a while, let us know how it goes. Im thinking of buying one.

[Greg_C]

You both need 100-400's!!:p

I know the 100-400's aren't F4's
As Feng would say
Mmmm Image Stabilized goodness

Hey wait a minute, Feng needs one also!:cool:

[-spam-]

You both need 100-400's!!:p

How about a 70-200 f2.8, a 300 f4 IS and a 1.4x tcon or a 400mm f5.6?


Hey wait a minute, Feng needs one also!:cool:

haha, thats right.

[Ospi]

lol but i alrdy have the 300 f/4L IS, and i wanna get rid of it!!! I would consider the 100-400 but its low light capabilities and the fact its $700 more than the sigma dont go down to well.

[-spam-]

Have you thought about trying to find a tokina 100-300 f4 second hand somewhere? Those things were built like a tank and not too bad optically.

[wakko]

You both need 100-400's!!:p

I know the 100-400's aren't F4's
As Feng would say
Mmmm Image Stabilized goodness

Hey wait a minute, Feng needs one also!:cool:

HEY! STOP THAT! :O

I want the 70-200 first now I think... I think i'd use it more :)

haha, thats right.

shuush! :O

[-spam-]

I want the 70-200 first now I think... I think i'd use it more :)


Mmmm... sweet 70-200 goodness ;)

[Ospi]

Still hoping to find one dumped on the side of the road somewhere that i can keep.

[Mat Fitzsimmons]

70-200 f2.8L IS and a 400 f5.6L makes a nice combo :D
buy one of each, it's only money - you can't take it with you

[Nick C.]

70-200 f2.8L IS and a 400 f5.6L makes a nice combo :D
I'll second that!
But from what I've read those Sigma tele-zooms are supposed to be pretty good, especially considering the discount on the Canon equivalents (or nearest to)

[-spam-]

Why cant sigma put HSM in their 80-400 OS? Its probably the only thing stopping me putting it on my list.

[Mat Fitzsimmons]

Photo sharing time :)
Here's a quick pic of my little neice from the weekend .. hehe


5D+24-70 f2.8L+580EX fill
http://www.psychogoat.com/linked/20070729_1147-Edit.jpg

[Ospi]

The 100-300 f/4 EX is HSM isnt it? Anyone here have one?

Edit: Cute baby.

[-spam-]

The 100-300 f/4 EX is HSM isnt it?

According to Sigmas site and B&H, yes it is.

[Ospi]

K im buying one. No1 want a 300 f/4L IS? got it for $1600 5 months ago, will try to get $1400 for it, its in perfect condition so hopefully someone will want it. Think thats a good price?

[three]

Photo sharing time :)
Here's a quick pic of my little neice from the weekend .. hehe


5D+24-70 f2.8L+580EX fill
http://www.psychogoat.com/linked/20070729_1147-Edit.jpg


nice shot there mat :)

[-spam-]

will try to get $1400 for it, its in perfect condition so hopefully someone will want it. Think thats a good price?

From memory, thats what one sold for on OCAU a couple of weeks ago. If either me or my dad had the money, we would get it. Both of us have wanted that one for a while.

[Meaty0]

I'm DEVASTATED I tell you....just DEVASTATED. My beautiful, beloved, fantastic, wonderful IBM buckling spring keyboard, that I snaffled from the newspaper office my sister worked in way back in 1999...has....has...sniff sniff...died. :( :( BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH. All that time I lovingly protected it and made sure nobody touched it or came near it with coffee and stuff. I caressed it regularly and cleaned its little fading keys and treated it like a real woman should be treated.

I was cleaning all the "board chow" out of it today (I don't know how it all got in there) and I carelessly dropped it :(

I've tried HUNDREDS of keyboards and nothing comes close to the feel of that one. An I just loved its little "clicky" sounds. So comforting. Sniff. So if any of you computer guys out there see an OLD IBM comp being dumped...will you grab the KB for me and make me a happy old man again please?

On a happier note...so much breadcrumbs and other stuff came out of the board...I think I have enough for another christmas pudding ;-)

[Ospi]

i was eating...:P Sorry for your loss :(

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Paul, there was a keyboard that came with older Fujitsu computers about 4 or 5 years ago that was perfect. the keys felt great and it had just the right about of curve to it.

The government and police department used a lot of them and my dad snatched a few up when they were throwing a heap out ages ago. Could try one of those if you find one.

[Meaty0]

Paul, there was a keyboard that came with older Fujitsu computers about 4 or 5 years ago that was perfect. the keys felt great and it had just the right about of curve to it.

The government and police department used a lot of them and my dad snatched a few up when they were throwing a heap out ages ago. Could try one of those if you find one.

Thanks for the thought, but only an IBM Model M with those lovely clicky keys will do....I think there's still plenty on eBay, but I might have to get one from US. :(:cry:

[wakko]

Thanks for the thought, but only an IBM Model M with those lovely clicky keys will do....I think there's still plenty on eBay, but I might have to get one from US. :(:cry:

i agree.

let me know if you do... i'll be in for a few of them... pref with the macro keys on the left ;)

[Meaty0]

i agree.

let me know if you do... i'll be in for a few of them... pref with the macro keys on the left ;)

I found some at www.clickykeyboards.com and www.pckeyboard.com The last place makes "new" keyboards to IBM's old standard. They look pretty good and will probably be what I get. But they charge a lot for shipping 'cos these little buggers weigh a couple of kilos each.

[balus]

So if any of you computer guys out there see an OLD IBM comp being dumped...will you grab the KB for me and make me a happy old man again please?


You will never EVER get an old IT person to part with an IBM M-series keyboard!

[::John::]

You will never EVER get an old IT person to part with an IBM M-series keyboard!

So very true

Hang on - what's this OLD bit...

I've only been 'doing' IT related stuff for 33 years - I'm still a young'un.

*backs out of thread*

[wakko]

I found some at www.clickykeyboards.com (http://www.clickykeyboards.com) and www.pckeyboard.com (http://www.pckeyboard.com) The last place makes "new" keyboards to IBM's old standard. They look pretty good and will probably be what I get. But they charge a lot for shipping 'cos these little buggers weigh a couple of kilos each.

mmmmm clicky clicky... I almost bought a 3 pack from clicky keyboards, but got sidetracked :|

So very true

Hang on - what's this OLD bit...

I've only been 'doing' IT related stuff for 33 years - I'm still a young'un.

*backs out of thread*

:D yup... still a youngin... dunno what balus is on about :P

[::John::]

/*thwack*/

Pass it on for me :)

It is, afterall, the first of the month ;)

[wakko]

/*thwack*/

Pass it on for me :)

It is, afterall, the first of the month ;)

Careful... david may start stalking you... he's into thwaps/slaps and anything 'physical' :lol::lol::lol::confused::o

[balus]

:D yup... still a youngin... dunno what balus is on about :P

hehe - takes me back to the days of the IBM 3278 terminals, now they had good keyboards.

[wakko]

hehe - takes me back to the days of the IBM 3278 terminals, now they had good keyboards.

yeah our AS/400 still has a clicky clacky kb :D mmmm with LOTS of extra buttons... too bad about the proprietary interface :(

[three]

Careful... david may start stalking you... he's into thwaps/slaps and anything 'physical' :lol::lol::lol::confused::o
thats just an assumption! you have no proof!

yeah our AS/400 still has a clicky clacky kb mmmm with LOTS of extra buttons... too bad about the proprietary interface
mmmm F24...

[Meaty0]

You will never EVER get an old IT person to part with an IBM M-series keyboard!Well I can understand that. It does happen though because there's a website in the US that just sells refurbished IBM kb's from the 80's and 90's so someone must part with them...(and then wonder why).

I'm much happier now that I have ordered two of the "new" ones made to IBM's specs:D I may even get a couple of IBM 'originals' from the clickykeyboards.com website as well.

[-Pleiades-]

Hey Paul, heard any more on the NZ course next year? Have they set dates or taking any bookings?

[Meaty0]

Hey Paul, heard any more on the NZ course next year? Have they set dates or taking any bookings?

Yup! Jackie Ranken emailed me recently to say that the next course is set for May and September next year. They're increasing the length of the course to five days and I think she said the first one (May?) will be based in Queenstown with day outings from there. I'm going to contact her to find out more info. I'll let you kno....err know....(Damn crappy keyboard...grrrrr:D)

[-Pleiades-]

That'd be great thanks Paul. It's a definate yes for us this year :D

Do you think the may or september one would be better? Is the september one still at Kinloch lodge?

[Nzshrimper]

september is very nice in queenstown. snow capped mountains.

[Greg_C]

Gotta work on the wife, I reckon I deserve to go to NZ after she does her business trip to London in September this year. Her trip was booked today.

[Mat Fitzsimmons]

I know I said this about the course this year, but I'm a definite definite for next year - whichever one people from here are keen on.

My working and living arrangements are looking like they're going to be very different and far more accommodating next year :)

[-spam-]

How late is the september one? My birthday is towards the end of the month, although i wouldnt mind being in new zealand for that at all.

If i have the funds spare after cruises and a road trip, id be all for it :D

[kendickson]

yeah our AS/400 still has a clicky clacky kb :D mmmm with LOTS of extra buttons... too bad about the proprietary interface :(

I still like using my AS/400 screen but makes it a bit hard to do photo's all that green screen stuff :D:D

[balus]

I still like using my AS/400 screen but makes it a bit hard to do photo's all that green screen stuff :D:D


Get a 3279 then, they were in colour!

[Kelsey-Lee]

Hey all,

Just calling in to say Hi.

Hi.

:lol: I'm off to Leadership Camp tomorrow, and apparently there are some good photo opportunities so hopefully I'll get something on my P&S.

I'm also interested in the NZ course next year - any estimation of how much it'll cost altogether?

[lycan]

Have you ever seen this person around Brisbane??

http://www.boostcruising.com/database/members/files/SITH120070802002935pslfile1_orig.jpg

[catsith]

Quote:
Originally Posted by wakko
beer is not for stealing... ever...

I, too, agree. Why would anyone want to steal it? The only thing it's good for is cleaning down the barbie plate. How you people drink that stuff, I have no idea
__________________
Nick

i'm with you nick, horrible stuff!!


sorry to hear about your keyboard paul


have fun kelsey

scary shot luke

funny shots there guys

wow justin, very nice!!

gave my new 100-400 a good workout this week, up at atherton. Hasties swamp is a five minute drive away, and i have got some great shots! Can't wait to get home to pp. What a lens!

[Meaty0]

i'm with you nick, horrible stuff!!


sorry to hear about your keyboard paul


have fun kelsey

scary shot luke

funny shots there guys

wow justin, very nice!!

gave my new 100-400 a good workout this week, up at atherton. Hasties swamp is a five minute drive away, and i have got some great shots! Can't wait to get home to pp. What a lens!

Thanks Tina. Two "new" replacements are on the way from the US as I type.:D Hope they're as good as ol' clicky:D

[Meaty0]

To those who wanted to know about next year's photo courses in NZ. I've emailed Mike Langford and I will let you know times as soon as I have a reply. As yet, nothing has appeared on their website. (www.qccp.co.nz)

There's another good course run in The Blue Mountains too that I have been looking at.

[Meaty0]

As an interesting side-note; I was upgrading one of the computers at work here yesterday and I had to format the new hard drive and reinstall Windows XP. I only had an old copy that came with the original comp and it was about three yrs old. When I hooked up to Windows Update, it needed SIXTY ONE updates. By the time it had downloaded update No. 10, it was so downloaded with viruses that it shut down and won't restart :-( New copy of Windows on the way.

[wakko]

As an interesting side-note; I was upgrading one of the computers at work here yesterday and I had to format the new hard drive and reinstall Windows XP. I only had an old copy that came with the original comp and it was about three yrs old. When I hooked up to Windows Update, it needed SIXTY ONE updates. By the time it had downloaded update No. 10, it was so downloaded with viruses that it shut down and won't restart :-( New copy of Windows on the way.

pretty dodgy work then.... no internal protection? :|

i can load up the original release of XP at home, and it won't get anything.

[Ospi]

What do you have on the way Meaty?

[Meaty0]

pretty dodgy work then.... no internal protection? :|

i can load up the original release of XP at home, and it won't get anything.
Apparently not! It's only a "client" type comp on our peer-to-peer net at work. But I had it connected to the cable broadband at home to download the updates...but even that wasn't fast enough. I'll put the firewall and antivirus software on first this time:rolleyes:

What do you have on the way Meaty? OEM Windows XP SP2b

[wakko]

Apparently not! It's only a "client" type comp on our peer-to-peer net at work. But I had it connected to the cable broadband at home to download the updates...but even that wasn't fast enough. I'll put the firewall and antivirus software on first this time:rolleyes:


even so.... if it's on cable at home, is there no form of hardware router/firewall in place? or is it just cable modem into switch or cable modem into computer? mmmm dodge :|

[-Pleiades-]

As yet, nothing has appeared on their website.

Hmm...just a thought, are those prices on their website oin NZ dollars?

[Meaty0]

even so.... if it's on cable at home, is there no form of hardware router/firewall in place? or is it just cable modem into switch or cable modem into computer? mmmm dodge :|

Nope...no router firewall, just cable modem into computer...perhaps it's time to get a hardware firewall/router though.

[Meaty0]

Hmm...just a thought, are those prices on their website oin NZ dollars?

Okay...prices are in NZ dollars.

This is what the reply to my email said:

Quote: The dates have been set May 16-17 and October 17-20 2008. So at this stage we still have a four day workshop. The costs were looking a little to high for the extra night, ( Kinloch has put there fee up by $30 per day as it is, from this year).

What I propose( I haven’t talked to Mike about this because he is away in Wellington) is that for that for those who would like to stay for an extra night, then Mike and myself would stay for the whole day continuing the workshop till 4pm. Then hop off back to Queenstown. End Quote


I'm aiming for the October workshop.

[-spam-]

I think ive found my next purchase. One of these (http://mpex.com/Strobist/SW1.htm) strobist wireless kits. Probably just get the one without the flash and just use my 430ex.

What do you guys think?

[Meaty0]

I think ive found my next purchase. One of these (http://mpex.com/Strobist/SW1.htm) strobist wireless kits. Probably just get the one without the flash and just use my 430ex.

What do you guys think?


How are you going to adjust the power of your 430ex?

[Nick C.]

I think ive found my next purchase. One of these (http://mpex.com/Strobist/SW1.htm) strobist wireless kits. Probably just get the one without the flash and just use my 430ex.

What do you guys think?
I think they're great little kits they've put together. You just order one and you know you've got all the bits and pieces for a simple one light setup.
I've got one of their PW wireless kits that I use with my 580. I'm thinking I'll probably pick up another one because I'm looking to grab a 580ex II for a 2nd light.

How are you going to adjust the power of your 430ex?
The 430 has manually variable power doesn't it?

[wakko]

I think ive found my next purchase. One of these (http://mpex.com/Strobist/SW1.htm) strobist wireless kits. Probably just get the one without the flash and just use my 430ex.

What do you guys think?

We've got those without the flashes.... problem is, you'll need the off shoe mount thing too... or an adapter as the 430 doesn't have a remote cord thingy does it? 580 doesn't, but 580 II does.

We ended up using them for the bowens anyways (which i haven't even played for).

[-spam-]

I think they're great little kits they've put together. You just order one and you know you've got all the bits and pieces for a simple one light setup.
I've got one of their PW wireless kits that I use with my 580. I'm thinking I'll probably pick up another one because I'm looking to grab a 580ex II for a 2nd light.

Thats it, im sold. Now to find if they take paypal. Will have to see what the difference is between the V2s triggers and the V2 ones.


The 430 has manually variable power doesn't it?

Im pretty certain it does.

[-spam-]

We've got those without the flashes.... problem is, you'll need the off shoe mount thing too... or an adapter as the 430 doesn't have a remote cord thingy does it? 580 doesn't, but 580 II does.

We ended up using them for the bowens anyways (which i haven't even played for).

Not for the wireless one. The flash just sits in the shoe mount thing on top of the reciever.

Also found out that they dont take paypal. Guess ill have to wait until my dad gets home :confused:

[wakko]

Not for the wireless one. The flash just sits in the shoe mount thing on top of the reciever.

Also found out that they dont take paypal. Guess ill have to wait until my dad gets home :confused:

yeah I had a closer look... :) heh...

mmm stobisty goodness :)

[-Pleiades-]

I think the photography gods have it in for me. I've hurt my back again :( I'm pretty much unable to walk, so no photography trips for me :( Not happy!

[wakko]

I think the photography gods have it in for me. I've hurt my back again :( I'm pretty much unable to walk, so no photography trips for me :( Not happy!

oh that's no good Kinnon :(

hope you get better soon :| how'd you hurt it this time? at work? Work Cover? :D

[wakko]

Nope...no router firewall, just cable modem into computer...perhaps it's time to get a hardware firewall/router though.

yeah that's not a bad idea

who are you with? Optus or Telstra?

[Nick C.]

Not happy!
I can't imagine you would be. But I think it's punishment for not doing enough photography :) Hope you don't take too long to heal - but recovery from a back injury is not something you want to rush.

Work Cover? :D
Not if I know Coles :)

[lycan]

Have you ever seen this person around Brisbane??

http://www.boostcruising.com/database/members/files/SITH120070802002935pslfile1_orig.jpg

this is a self portrait of my self...

[Meaty0]

yeah that's not a bad idea

who are you with? Optus or Telstra?

Telstra Bigpong

[Nick C.]

Have you ever seen this person around Brisbane??
YES! I rang the National Security Hotline but they told me they already have you in their system - and keeping a close eye on you I believe ;)

[Carjo]

I don't even know if I'm going for sure yet but anyway, for those that are interested:

Jaguar Drivers Club Display Day and Concours (http://www.ourbrisbane.com/whatson/events/html/events/1/91296.html)
This Sunday at the Cultural Forecourt, Southbank Parklands

Also, does anyone want to meet up at the Ekka while it is on?

[Meaty0]

Thats it, im sold. Now to find if they take paypal. Will have to see what the difference is between the V2s triggers and the V2 ones.



Im pretty certain it does.

Just be careful...I'm guessing that's US dollars they're talking about and you have to pay shipping which could be a lot. Have a talk to the people at Dragon Image in Brisbane. They should be able to put together a "starving student" package similar or less in price to that and you can pick it up yourself.

[-spam-]

I don't even know if I'm going for sure yet but anyway, for those that are interested:

Jaguar Drivers Club Display Day and Concours (http://www.ourbrisbane.com/whatson/events/html/events/1/91296.html)
This Sunday at the Cultural Forecourt, Southbank Parklands

If i can get away from the moving house deal, then ill be there at some point. Havnt been out with the camera in ages.


Also, does anyone want to meet up at the Ekka while it is on?

Doubt im going this year, unless it would be one of the non holiday days. Its too busy otherwise.

Just be careful...I'm guessing that's US dollars they're talking about and you have to pay shipping which could be a lot. Have a talk to the people at Dragon Image in Brisbane. They should be able to put together a "starving student" package similar or less in price to that and you can pick it up yourself.

Had completely forgotten about them. Ill shoot them an email and see what they can do.

Although from memory, their radio triggers were really really expensive (compared to the ebay ones)

Edit: I might also get in touch with photocontinental and see what they can do.

[Nick C.]

I don't even know if I'm going for sure yet but anyway, for those that are interested:

Jaguar Drivers Club Display Day and Concours (http://www.ourbrisbane.com/whatson/events/html/events/1/91296.html)
This Sunday at the Cultural Forecourt, Southbank Parklands

Also, does anyone want to meet up at the Ekka while it is on?
I'm thinking about taking some photos of the Bridge to Brisbane Sunday morning. Mind you that's a bit earlier than the Display's start time.
I'm still tossing up whether to head to the Ekka or not. I'd love some shots of the wood chopping.

Just be careful...I'm guessing that's US dollars they're talking about and you have to pay shipping which could be a lot. Have a talk to the people at Dragon Image in Brisbane. They should be able to put together a "starving student" package similar or less in price to that and you can pick it up yourself.
I think the shipping for mine came to about 60 USD. So yeah it does add a bit extra to the cost. And that's a very good point about Dragon. I almost went to them myself but the savings on the Pocket Wizards from MPEX more than paid for the shipping charge.

And I agree with you Sam, the radio triggers they have on their site seem a little too expensive for what they are.

[Greg_C]

Just got back from the Ortho Specialist for Aaron's knee. It locked up on him a couple of times yesterday and is sore and swollen today. May have another meniscul tear and he has to have a MRI tomorrow. He's taking it reasonably well, considering even if there is no damage he'll be off active sports for at least two months.

[-spam-]

Greg, I hope Aarons knee isnt too bad and that he isnt out of sport for any longer than the 2 months. I was devastated when i broke my elbow a couple of years ago to find that i couldnt play soccer for the rest of the season or he next.

Looking at umbrellas and light stands from dragon, would i be right with a 1.8m stand and a 36 (im assuming inches) dull silver umbrella?

[Meaty0]

Man that sucks. What happened to "kids heal faster"? I bet Aaron's not too impressed about all this.

[Greg_C]

Greg, I hope Aarons knee isnt too bad and that he isnt out of sport for any longer than the 2 months. I was devastated when i broke my elbow a couple of years ago to find that i couldnt play soccer for the rest of the season or he next.

Man that sucks. What happened to "kids heal faster"? I bet Aaron's not too impressed about all this.

Thanks, we'll know more Tuesday arvo after we go back to the Ortho to check on tomorrow's MRI results. We could have had a earlier MRI appointment - 11:40pm tonight. Mmmm, pass on that time thanks.

[-spam-]

mkay, anyone know where i can get an umbrella/flash bracket holder thing like this from?

http://mpex.com/Strobist/images/SW1New3lg.jpg

The one dragon has isnt the same and i have no idea what PC's one is like because they only have a pic of an umbrella on the site.

[Nick C.]

Boy, Aaron's really having a rough trot. Hope it's not too serious. At least with an 11:40pm MRI they wouldn't have any trouble with him moving too much. Fall asleep as soon as he hits the table.

Looking at umbrellas and light stands from dragon, would i be right with a 1.8m stand and a 36 (im assuming inches) dull silver umbrella?
I suppose that depends on what you're wanting to light. I've found the white shoot-thru umbrella to be the most useful for me. Shooting through allows you to get a relatively large light source much closer to your subject than bouncing out of an umbrella would do. Therefore softer lighting. But, again, it depends on what you're looking for and shooting.

mkay, anyone know where i can get an umbrella/flash bracket holder thing like this from?

The one dragon has isnt the same and i have no idea what PC's one is like because they only have a pic of an umbrella on the site.
What's wrong with the one from Dragon? It seems to be a similar sort of thing but it looks like you'll need to get hold of a cold shoe adaptor to hold the flash.
PC does list the Manfrotto umbrella swivel (stock code: 116355180000) but it appears to be out of stock. But I think you still need to find a shoe adaptor for that as well.

[-spam-]

I suppose that depends on what you're wanting to light. I've found the white shoot-thru umbrella to be the most useful for me. Shooting through allows you to get a relatively large light source much closer to your subject than bouncing out of an umbrella would do. Therefore softer lighting. But, again, it depends on what you're looking for and shooting.

Might try and pick up one of each then.


What's wrong with the one from Dragon? It seems to be a similar sort of thing but it looks like you'll need to get hold of a cold shoe adaptor to hold the flash.
PC does list the Manfrotto umbrella swivel (stock code: 116355180000) but it appears to be out of stock. But I think you still need to find a shoe adaptor for that as well.

The strobist one has the 2 knobs on the back and a third one one the side for another hole for the umbrella to go in. The one from dragon doesnt have the extra hole, so i was left a bit confused.

[Meaty0]

Might try and pick up one of each then.



The strobist one has the 2 knobs on the back and a third one one the side for another hole for the umbrella to go in. The one from dragon doesnt have the extra hole, so i was left a bit confused.


I've got one from Dragon Image and it works just fine.

[-spam-]

I've got one from Dragon Image and it works just fine.

Ok, thanks. Looks like i should try and get to bowen hills sometime next week then.

[Meaty0]

Ok, thanks. Looks like i should try and get to bowen hills sometime next week then. Ask for Joe...the other bloke talks too much.

[-spam-]

Ask for Joe...the other bloke talks too much.

Noted, thanks.

I just found out that i can get a 10% discount through them care of being a member of brisbanephotography.com :)

[Meaty0]

Question: Why would you buy a Sigma 12-24 f:4.5-5.6 and not a Sigma 10-20 f:4.5-5.6?

[Nick C.]

Isn't the 10-20 built for the APS-C sized sensors (like Canon EF-S), whereas the 12-24 can be used on all cameras?

[wakko]

Isn't the 10-20 built for the APS-C sized sensors (like Canon EF-S), whereas the 12-24 can be used on all cameras?

yeah that's why I got the 12-24.

But yeah... as mentioned before... will probably sell it.

[Mat Fitzsimmons]

Isn't the 10-20 built for the APS-C sized sensors (like Canon EF-S), whereas the 12-24 can be used on all cameras?
Yep, no good for us FFophiles :)

[Nick C.]

Nor for us one point threebies. :D

[wakko]

Yep, no good for us FFophiles :)

Nor for us one point threebies. :D

HAHAHAHA :) clowns :D

[Meaty0]

Question: Why can't they (the collective sensor manufacturers) make a full frame sensor that can take APS-C size lenses as well? I mean...a sensor that can reduce the area of active pixels down to APS-C size?

[Carjo]

Question: Why would you buy a Sigma 12-24 f:4.5-5.6 and not a Sigma 10-20 f:4.5-5.6?

12-24, because if you had a Canon 24-70 f/2.8L and a 70-200 then you'd have everything from 12mm to 200mm. Sure, you'd have no overlap but at least you're not missing anything. That's one reason to buy it.

And as been already stated, the 12-24 will work on full frame and APS-H (1.3) cameras. That's the main reason why I'd buy it - it means I could use it on the 3000N.

EDIT: To answer your second question, wouldn't it be possible to make some sort of wide-angle converter that cancels out the 1.6 crop, i.e. a 0.625x tele? (assuming my maths is correct)

[wakko]

Question: Why does Paul start off his questions with "Question:"?

[Carjo]

Question: Why does Paul start off his questions with "Question:"?

Answer: I dunno ;)

[Mat Fitzsimmons]

Question: Why can't they (the collective sensor manufacturers) make a full frame sensor that can take APS-C size lenses as well? I mean...a sensor that can reduce the area of active pixels down to APS-C size?
Probably because once you go FF, you suddenly lose all interest in anything to do with APS-C :D
I personally think 16/17mm is as wide as I think I'd use on a FF body, so there's no APS-C lens I'd want anyway.

Although Nikon have something similar on some of their D2 cameras - only to allow for a higher framerate "crop" mode though.

[Meaty0]

Probably because once you go FF, you suddenly lose all interest in anything to do with APS-C :D
I personally think 16/17mm is as wide as I think I'd use on a FF body, so there's no APS-C lens I'd want anyway.

Although Nikon have something similar on some of their D2 cameras - only to allow for a higher framerate "crop" mode though.

Yeah, but a APS-c sensor comes in might handy when you put that 400mm lens on your camera and it suddenly becomes a ....errrr...(carry the one and add on six...reaches for calculator...) 640mm lens equivalent. Wouldn't it be nice to have the best of both worlds?

[Meaty0]

Question: Why does Paul start off his questions with "Question:"?

So there's no confusion about what follows?! <Please don't slap me:D>

[Mat Fitzsimmons]

Yeah, but a APS-c sensor comes in might handy when you put that 400mm lens on your camera and it suddenly becomes a ....errrr...(carry the one and add on six...reaches for calculator...) 640mm lens equivalent. Wouldn't it be nice to have the best of both worlds?
I could do that now with my 400mm lens though, but just cropping an APS-C-equivalent-sized section from the middle of the FF image (I think?? - it's late :))

On another note ... ahhhhhh. So glad it's the weekend!!! :D

[Meaty0]

I could do that now with my 400mm lens though, but just cropping an APS-C-equivalent-sized section from the middle of the FF image (I think?? - it's late :))

On another note ... ahhhhhh. So glad it's the weekend!!! :D


Hmmm...then doesn't that involve a certain amount of upward interpolation...much like point-and-shoot cameras that have "digital zoom"?

<Note lack of word "Question" prior to this question.>

And another thing. Why can't camera manufacturers make IS built into the camera body and not the lens?

[Greg_C]

I could do that now with my 400mm lens though, but just cropping an APS-C-equivalent-sized section from the middle of the FF image (I think?? - it's late :))

On another note ... ahhhhhh. So glad it's the weekend!!! :D

Hmmm...then doesn't that involve a certain amount of upward interpolation...much like point-and-shoot cameras that have "digital zoom"?

<Note lack of word "Question" prior to this question.>

And another thing. Why can't camera manufacturers make IS built into the camera body and not the lens?

This is like digital zoom AFAIK, remember the size of the photosites remain the same and you are just looking at a smaller number of them more closely.

[-spam-]

Morning guys. Dont know if any of you have seen this yet, but some of the tupperware folk reckon it looks like the most convincing one yet.

http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/Canon_40D.html

[Nick C.]

Hmmm...then doesn't that involve a certain amount of upward interpolation...much like point-and-shoot cameras that have "digital zoom"?
I think Mat's right in his comparison to just cropping an equivalent size from the FF picture. There's no interpolation because the image isn't being resized, it's just being cropped.
This is different to digital zoom on cameras because I think what they're doing is essentially taking a crop of a fewer number of pixels and upscaling that image in camera to the normal sensor size.

[Mat Fitzsimmons]

Yup, I was just comparing:

- Paul's original suggestion of having a FF sensor that can reduce the area of active pixels down to APS-C size, with
- cropping an APS-C sized section from the middle of a FF image.

I think it's the same thing, because you'd be using the same pixels either way. You're just cropping away those "inactive" pixels instead of not using them in the first place.

i.e. lets say an APS-C-sized section in the middle of a 5D sensor contains 8MP (I dunno how the maths works out ... it's too early :))
Then, cropping an 8MP section out of the centre of a 5D image would give you the same thing as if the camera had an 8MP APS-C sensor.

I know you guys understand this, but here's a bit more: http://www.paullesterphoto.com/wordpress/?p=566

Of course if it could add more pixels in as it reduced the active area, then that would be a different story! :D


Morning guys. Dont know if any of you have seen this yet, but some of the tupperware folk reckon it looks like the most convincing one yet.

http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/Canon_40D.htmlLooks good!

[Nick C.]

Of course if it could add more pixels in as it reduced the active area, then that would be a different story! :D
So what we need is a new generation sensor that can dynamically shift and resize the individual photo-receptors to cover just the active area. I like it :D

Hey Mat, is it you who has an Eizo monitor?

[Mat Fitzsimmons]

Hehe, yep and yep :)

I've got an Eizo CG210, but I'm still trying to find time to take it back to Kayell - it has a bad backlight leak in the bottom left corner, which I'm distinctly unimpressed with (and has soured my experience with it, to be honest). I'd expect better for the $$.

[Nick C.]

You've just answered my next two questions as well: Which model? and How do you find it? :)

I'm curious because I've shifted my monitor search into overdrive now that I've discovered just how bad laptop screens are at reproducing a decent range of colour.

I've sort of narrowed it down to one of the NEC 90 series or pay a bit more for one of their Spectraview models or an Eizo. The higher end features of the Spectraview and Eizo such as hardware calibration and colour/brightness uniformity are appealing but I'm not sure that they're worth what is almost a 100% premium in price.

If anyone else has any impressions/experience with NEC/Eizo I'm all ears.

[Mat Fitzsimmons]

By all accounts the CG210 is a great monitor, it seems I've just got a dud. 5yr warranty (including backlight) though, so I'm assuming it will all be rectified ....
I must get around to taking it over there sometime soon! One touch hardware calibration with an Eye One Display 2 is nice.

Paul has an NEC of some kind I think??

[wakko]

So there's no confusion about what follows?! <Please don't slap me:D>

LOL

<Note lack of word "Question" prior to this question.>

Heh yes... did notice :)

Morning guys. Dont know if any of you have seen this yet, but some of the tupperware folk reckon it looks like the most convincing one yet.

http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/Canon_40D.html

Hrmm... looks pretty realistic huh?

[-spam-]

Hrmm... looks pretty realistic huh?

It does. I wont be getting one though, will wait to see what it does to the used 20D and 30D market and hopefully pick up a bargain as a second body.

[Nick C.]

By all accounts the CG210 is a great monitor, it seems I've just got a dud. 5yr warranty (including backlight) though, so I'm assuming it will all be rectified ....
I must get around to taking it over there sometime soon! One touch hardware calibration with an Eye One Display 2 is nice.

Paul has an NEC of some kind I think??
It's annoying that you have to go through these sort of troubles especially considering the price you have to pay for such a high-end piece of equipment.

Question: (that is catchy :)) How does the 'hardware-based portrait mode' work? Does it automatically change the resolution to 1200x1600 or do you still have to manually do that yourself? Just thinking that if it was a quick process it could be useful for editing those portrait oriented shots.


Now to wait for Paul to show himself...

[Mat Fitzsimmons]

I believe it has a sensor in it and changes resolution itself, but I must admit I haven't tried it. Sorry I can't test it out, it's already packed up in its box ready to go back to Kayell (and has been for about a month!) :)

[Carjo]

Does anyone know of a good yet preferably cheap/free anti-virus and/or firewall programs that won't chew the memory on a five-year-old laptop?

[-spam-]

Does anyone know of a good yet preferably cheap/free anti-virus and/or firewall programs that won't chew the memory on a five-year-old laptop?

AVG (http://free.grisoft.com/)

We have been using taht for years and it has never let anything through.

[Nick C.]

I believe it has a sensor in it and changes resolution itself, but I must admit I haven't tried it. Sorry I can't test it out, it's already packed up in its box ready to go back to Kayell (and has been for about a month!) :)
Okay, no problem.


AVG (http://free.grisoft.com/)

We have been using taht for years and it has never let anything through.
Me too. Why people pay for anti-virus programs is beyond me.

[-spam-]

Me too. Why people pay for anti-virus programs is beyond me.

We have like a 10 license fancy business edition care of my dads little software business. Dont know what the difference is between that and the free one but as long as it works, i dont care :)

[Nick C.]

We have like a 10 license fancy business edition care of my dads little software business. Dont know what the difference is between that and the free one but as long as it works, i dont care :)
Oh, okay. Well I've always used the free one and never had any issues.

BTW Sam, what comes after 999? :)

[Greg_C]

Spam will never be a senior member, he hearts the title fairy too much!

[-spam-]

BTW Sam, what comes after 999? :)

I think the answer is right here (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=357994) ;)

Spam will never be a senior member, he hearts the title fairy too much!

:oops:

[Carjo]

AVG (http://free.grisoft.com/)

We have been using taht for years and it has never let anything through.

Hmmm... interesting. I think my laptop had that already installed when I bought it. :oops: Oh well. That covers the anti-virus and anti-spyware part... what about a firewall?

[Carjo]

Spam will never be a senior member, he hearts the title fairy too much!

Can someone please explain to me how Sam came to have a title in the first place? I think I missed something... :oops:

[-spam-]

Hmmm... interesting. I think my laptop had that already installed when I bought it. :oops: Oh well. That covers the anti-virus and anti-spyware part... what about a firewall?

Are you using a network switch? Or is the internet connection running through a router and straight into your pc?

Can someone please explain to me how he came to have a title in the first place? I think I missed something... :oops:

Explained here (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3384980&postcount=274) ;)

[Meaty0]

Paul has an NEC of some kind I think??

He does indeed. He has in fact, a NEC 2180UX. And he is VERY happy with it.:D

It's annoying that you have to go through these sort of troubles especially considering the price you have to pay for such a high-end piece of equipment.

Question: (that is catchy :)) How does the 'hardware-based portrait mode' work? Does it automatically change the resolution to 1200x1600 or do you still have to manually do that yourself? Just thinking that if it was a quick process it could be useful for editing those portrait oriented shots.


Now to wait for Paul to show himself...

Here I am! I've been busy building a computer for work and haven't been able to get to the forum much.

QUESTION:Why is it that installing and configuring hardware (and software) is NEVER as easy as they say in the manual?:evil:

My impressions of the 2180UX are all good. It's replacement is the NEC LCD2190UXI. It's so easy to calibrate and has such a clear screen. I like that I can rotate it 90 deg for editing images shot in portrait mode and yes the software rotates the screen 90 deg. (That's my only gripe..you have to do it by clicking on the video card icon in the system tray and select "rotate image".)

I saw the Eizo Coloredge 24 first hand at F Stop Imaging (now defunct) and I felt it was a magnificent monitor for image editing, but I just couldn't justify the extra thousand or so it costs (in 21" form). If you want to see one for yourself, I think Kayell have one working in the showroom...but I'd make sure I saw the one you were buying from them actually working first.

For image editing my money-no-option choice would be....

EIZO CG221 22"
NEC2490UXI (widescreen format..might be dual DVI though)
NEC2190 UXI by TWO...just love two monitors for image editing. (I need a bigger house for this option :-D)
Apple 24" Cinema display.

[Carjo]

Are you using a network switch? Or is the internet connection running through a router and straight into your pc?

At home, our cable modem goes into a wireless router, laptop picks up wireless signal. The connection is encrypted to prevent freeloaders accessing the wireless network, I know that much.

At uni, I just pick up a QUT Wireless signal or plug it into a port. There's something about a VPN in there somewhere.

Explained here (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3384980&postcount=274) ;)

Ah, righteo. :)

[-spam-]

At home, our cable modem goes into a wireless router, laptop picks up wireless signal. The connection is encrypted to prevent freeloaders accessing the wireless network, I know that much.

At uni, I just pick up a QUT Wireless signal or plug it into a port. There's something about a VPN in there somewhere.



I would imagine that there would be some sort of firewall built into the router. Its what we have with ours and then it runs to the wireless and the separate switch. Id also say that the uni would have a firewall in place as well, could be best to ask someone in the know on campus

Note: Someone please correct me if my logic is wrong. Its been a while since i knew all the technical stuff off the top of my head and my memory could have become a bit fuzzy.

[Meaty0]

AVG (http://free.grisoft.com/)

We have been using taht for years and it has never let anything through.


Grrrr. I used that at my business until a blood trojan virus came in with a Windows Update...yes a WINDOWS Update. Luckily only minor damage done and I had a mirror of the hard drive I could load up. AVG didn't pick that one up. So I switched the very "not free" Norman (not Norton) Antivirus and firewall package. This one is so picky that it can be a pain in the arse sometimes...but nothing bad has got through so far and they have good support.

[Carjo]

Note: Someone please correct me if my logic is wrong. Its been a while since i knew all the technical stuff off the top of my head and my memory could have become a bit fuzzy.

Well, you know more than I do regardless of the accuracy. :confused:

[wakko]

at home I'm behind my ADSL Modem with SPI and NAT firewall, which then goes through another wireless router NAT firewall and on to Windoze firewall...

On my mac, I run nothing :)

[-spam-]

and on to Windoze firewall...

Eek! winblows firewall. When i think of that, it reminds me of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuqZ8AqmLPY) mac ad :lol:

[Meaty0]

Eek! winblows firewall. When i think of that, it reminds me of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuqZ8AqmLPY) mac ad :lol:

Oh dear! That Mac Ad reminds me of my firewall:(

Question: Is the Apple 24" version called a Big Mac?

[wakko]

Eek! winblows firewall. When i think of that, it reminds me of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuqZ8AqmLPY) mac ad :lol:

lol... yeah... but... tell you what... it's better than none.... if it wasn't for the windows firewall, I'd have none internally anyways... :)

edit; that mac vs vista security add is talking about UAC though... not the firewall :)

[wakko]

Question: Is the Apple 24" version called a Big Mac?

Answer: lol :p

[Carjo]

While we're bagging Windo'hs, here's something a friend showed me back in year 8 (which would have probably circled the internets many a time in the seven years since, but anyway...):

[-spam-]

Oh dear! That Mac Ad reminds me of my firewall:(


Hahaha

l
edit; that mac vs vista security add is talking about UAC though... not the firewall :)

It is pretty much the same as the XP firewall and Norton as well.

Has anyone tried using windows xp server 2003? We have it running on a server downstairs and that is the worst (actually no, vista is worse) OS to try and do anything with. If you want to shut it down, you have to say why you are doing it. If you try and load a web page, you have to add it to the safe list, even if its windoze update you are trying to access :rolleyes:

[wakko]

Hahaha

It is pretty much the same as the XP firewall and Norton as well.

What is? :) The ad is talking about UAC... User Account Control... not the firewall features etc...

Has anyone tried using windows xp server 2003? We have it running on a server downstairs and that is the worst (actually no, vista is worse) OS to try and do anything with. If you want to shut it down, you have to say why you are doing it. If you try and load a web page, you have to add it to the safe list, even if its windoze update you are trying to access :rolleyes:

the servers I administer at work are all 2003 (what is windows xp server 2003 btw? :D)

But those features are there for a reason in 2003... it's actually good when you come to parse the event log and you can find comments like "POS OS" and "Windows decide to take a dump again" or similar :) hehe...

With the safe list, just turn off the Internet Explorer Enhanced thingymadooba ;) and it stops ;) but again it's there for a reason...

[::John::]

...
Has anyone tried using windows xp server 2003? We have it running on a server downstairs and that is the worst (actually no, vista is worse) OS to try and do anything with. If you want to shut it down, you have to say why you are doing it. If you try and load a web page, you have to add it to the safe list, even if its windoze update you are trying to access :rolleyes:

...
the servers I administer at work are all 2003 (what is windows xp server 2003 btw? :D)

But those features are there for a reason in 2003... it's actually good when you come to parse the event log and you can find comments like "POS OS" and "Windows decide to take a dump again" or similar :) hehe...

With the safe list, just turn off the Internet Explorer Enhanced thingymadooba ;) and it stops ;) but again it's there for a reason...

Those features are standard and OK - for the next 2 weeks I will be arm wrestling 3 AIX servers - I would rather be putting up with the foibles of Server 2003...

[-spam-]

What is? :) The ad is talking about UAC... User Account Control... not the firewall features etc...


The UAC is similar to what i used to get from windows firewall. Asking me whether it was ok to run games and other programs.

(what is windows xp server 2003 btw? :D)

I meant server 2003 :oops:

What can i say, im tired. Been moving too much heavy stuff from the shed to the new house


But those features are there for a reason in 2003... it's actually good when you come to parse the event log and you can find comments like "POS OS" and "Windows decide to take a dump again" or similar :) hehe...

With the safe list, just turn off the Internet Explorer Enhanced thingymadooba ;) and it stops ;) but again it's there for a reason...

Yeah i know they are there for a reason. Although i still think that server 2003 is overkill for what we use it for (but then again, so is a quad core whatever it is with RAID and gigs of ram in a dell server box). ;)

[wakko]

Those features are standard and OK - for the next 2 weeks I will be arm wrestling 3 AIX servers - I would rather be putting up with the foibles of Server 2003...

hahahh bootiful :)

Our little pSeries running AIX runs like a dream... but yeah... want finiky... take on an AIX :P

Our iSeries AS/400 is no better :|

[::John::]

hahahh bootiful :)

Our little pSeries running AIX runs like a dream... but yeah... want finiky... take on an AIX :P

Our iSeries AS/400 is no better :|

The last AS/400 I worked on was so slow I could have walked faster. It is now scheduled to be shut down in the next 18 months and the applications will be migrated to a central hub in Singapore (which is running Windoze/Oracle).

The 3 I will be kicking around the computer room are having their apps upgraded - including an Oracle upgrade on a 600Gb database. First job will be to add more hard disk - jeez - the last *nix one I worked on was HP-UX 3 years ago and it currently has a 3Tb database that is growing by around 60Gb a month...

I hate it when they give me short timeframes to upgrade critical servers...

[Mat Fitzsimmons]

For image editing my money-no-option choice would be....

EIZO CG221 22"
NEC2490UXI (widescreen format..might be dual DVI though)
NEC2190 UXI by TWO...just love two monitors for image editing. (I need a bigger house for this option :-D)
Apple 24" Cinema display.
I'm not sure what I'd get if I was buying now. Depends if it's going to be a dedicated photoshop machine too, to some extent. The new Eizo CG241W looks interesting :)

Actually, it'll be interesting to see what they do with mine. It's no longer a current model.

[-Pleiades-]

Look at moi raaaay. Raaaay, look at moi.

194886

It's my 1 year anniversary coming up shortly too! :lol:

:rolleyes:

[wakko]

heheh yay you! :) happy b'day... hope you have a great day!... oh and happy anniversary soon :p

[Meaty0]

Look at moi raaaay. Raaaay, look at moi.

194886

It's my 1 year anniversary coming up shortly too! :lol:

:rolleyes:

Happy burfday then!:D One year anniversary of what?

[-spam-]

Look at moi raaaay. Raaaay, look at moi.

It's my 1 year anniversary coming up shortly too! :lol:

:rolleyes:

Happy belated birthday Kinnon :D

Happy burfday then!:D One year anniversary of what?

1 year POTN anniversary me thinks

[Nick C.]

My impressions of the 2180UX are all good. It's replacement is the NEC LCD2190UXI. It's so easy to calibrate and has such a clear screen. I like that I can rotate it 90 deg for editing images shot in portrait mode and yes the software rotates the screen 90 deg. (That's my only gripe..you have to do it by clicking on the video card icon in the system tray and select "rotate image".)

For image editing my money-no-option choice would be....

EIZO CG221 22"
NEC2490UXI (widescreen format..might be dual DVI though)
NEC2190 UXI by TWO...just love two monitors for image editing. (I need a bigger house for this option :-D)
Apple 24" Cinema display.
Thanks for that rundown, Paul.
The CG221 would certainly be a 'money-no-option' choice. 1920x1200 in a 22" panel. Nice!
The 2490 isn't dual DVI. I think that's only needed when the resolution goes above 1920x1200 . . . I think.

Question: Why is the 2190 comparably more expensive than any of the other 90 series? Nearly twice the price of the 2090 :confused: Makes the 2090 more appealing - the Spectraview 2090 is about the same price as a normal 2190.


Happy Birthday, Kinnon! Get any jewellery? :D

[-Pleiades-]

Not belated spam, still my birthday for the next 13 hours :D

Yep, 1 year of this place, geez, don't know how I put up with you lot for that long, kidding! :P It's been an excellent year, I've learnt so much, and spent so much.....about to spend a little more......

Because I wasn't able to go to knockrow castle last week because of my back I think I will go today, but I'm going to have to chose between my children today, my back is still bad so there is no way I'm going to be able to carry my camera bag, so I'm just thinking of putting thr 70-200 on the 5d. I hope that works out ok, I hate having to decide :S

[-Pleiades-]

Happy Birthday, Kinnon! Get any jewellery? :D

Yes and no. My whole dilema I was on about last time is solved. I ended up ordering another ring that matches my wedding band, and they look ok with my engagement ring, and it's only going to be $200 instead for getting 2 more rings made for 2 grand.

But.....I'm going to buy a couple of pieces of jewellery, the VIP night is on the 15th and everything for us will be 50% off, so I'm going to get a couple of things I've been eyeing off. But I'm also going to get some batteries and memory, so no-one misses out and it's the best of both worlds :D

[-spam-]

Not belated spam, still my birthday for the next 13 hours :D

So it is. Ahh i had just woken up and all i saw was that you posted taht while i was in bed, so i thought it was yesterday (would have paid to read the date on the screen shot too...)

[Nick C.]

Yes and no. My whole dilema I was on about last time is solved. I ended up ordering another ring that matches my wedding band, and they look ok with my engagement ring, and it's only going to be $200 instead for getting 2 more rings made for 2 grand.

But.....I'm going to buy a couple of pieces of jewellery, the VIP night is on the 15th and everything for us will be 50% off, so I'm going to get a couple of things I've been eyeing off. But I'm also going to get some batteries and memory, so no-one misses out and it's the best of both worlds :D
Excellent. It's so much nicer when a compromise isn't necessary :)

[Greg_C]

http://www.steadyhands.net/share/balloon.gifTo Pleiades and Jim http://www.steadyhands.net/share/balloon.gif
http://www.steadyhands.net/share/birthday.gif

[Greg_C]

Just complete unsuccessful surgery on Aaron's Xbox. Some of the special functions on it are not working anymore.:(:cry: I pullled it apart to reseat any loose components but had no luck finding any. Not the day/weather to be playing with electronics. So much static electricity about it's not funny. I went to open the fridge a few minutes ago and you could hear the crack of the discharge.

I think I'll tackle the Xbox again another day when there is more moisture in the air.