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Mike6158
18th of January 2007 (Thu), 07:17
I wonder if the origin of that phrase is from sailing warships... fire in the hold?

Anyway... During numerous visits to civil war battle sites I collected a few images of cannon. Civil war cannon came in two flavors. Green and black. Green ones were made of bronze and black ones were made of steel or cast iron. The "flavors" can be further divided into smoothbore and rifled and those can be further designated by the weight of their projectile (12-pounder, 24-pounder, 32-pounder, etc.), the caliber or size of their bore diameter (3-inch, 8-inch, 10-inch), method of loading (breech or muzzle), and sometimes their inventor or the factory in which they were made (i.e. Dahlgren, Napoleon, Rodman, Parrott, Whitworth). A further distinction involved the path of their trajectories: guns had a flat trajectory, mortars a high, arching path, and a howitzer a trajectory between the other two. Civil War artillery was also classified according to its tactical deployment, including field, seacoast, and siege artillery. Cannon were made of steel, bronze, or iron, depending on the availability of material. Mexican war and most civil war cannon were smoothbore weapons. The Napoleon, a smoothbore, muzzle-loading, 12-pounder was the favorite of the civil war artillerymen. It was reltively light and portable and it was used as an offensive and defensive weapon by both armies. Initially it was made of bronze but when the south started running low on copper it was cast in steel. Maximum range was about 1700 yards but it was most effective when firing cannister at around 250 yards. Cannister is a particularly deadly load of small iron balls encased in a metal container and it probably caused the most death and injury of any weapon used in the civil war. Essentially, with cannister loaded, the cannon became a very large sawed off shotgun when fired at troops 250 yards away or less. Cannister, by the way, is not grapeshot. Grapeshot used larger iron balls wrapped in cloth. Artillery ammunition included solid shot, grape, canister, shell, and chain shot. Most civil war cannon were muzzleloaders as the breech loaders of the time were not that reliable. (most of the above information was found here (http://www.civilwarhome.com/civilwarweapons.htm) and in brochures that I picked up at the NPS sites.)

http://images9.fotki.com/v185/photos/4/42560/4515091/Cannon_07_28_06_001-vi.jpg

http://images14.fotki.com/v379/photos/4/42560/4515091/Cannon_07_28_06_003-vi.jpg

http://images14.fotki.com/v378/photos/4/42560/4515091/Cannon_07_28_06_004-vi.jpg

http://images19.fotki.com/v381/photos/4/42560/4515091/Cannon_07_28_06_006-vi.jpg

http://images20.fotki.com/v384/photos/4/42560/4515091/Cannon_07_28_06_007-vi.jpg

http://images19.fotki.com/v365/photos/4/42560/4515091/Cannon_07_28_06_008-vi.jpg

http://images19.fotki.com/v365/photos/4/42560/4515091/Cannon_07_28_06_009-vi.jpg

athomefun
18th of January 2007 (Thu), 07:30
All are great IMO, my favorites are number 3 and 6

squashed
18th of January 2007 (Thu), 07:32
Those are very well composed. # 4 is spot on. What equipment?

zeker
18th of January 2007 (Thu), 07:36
Found this explanation on the internet.

"Fire in the hole" is a standard warning, used in many countries in the world, indicating that an explosive detonation in a confined space is imminent. It originated with miners (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mining), who needed to warn their fellows that a charge had been set. The phrase was subsequently adopted by the United States Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army) and Marines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Marine_Corps) to give notice that a grenade (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenade) or satchel charge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satchel_charge) was being tossed into a bunker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunker), spider hole (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider_hole), or other enclosure.

Nice description of the canon and great photos by the way. At what battlefields were these taken? I get out to Manassas, Fredericksburg, and Chancellorsville every now and then. Antietam and Gettysburg are just an hour or so up the road. It's nice to be close to all that history.

Mike6158
18th of January 2007 (Thu), 07:51
Found this explanation on the internet.

"Fire in the hole" is a standard warning, used in many countries in the world, indicating that an explosive detonation in a confined space is imminent. It originated with miners (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mining), who needed to warn their fellows that a charge had been set. The phrase was subsequently adopted by the United States Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army) and Marines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Marine_Corps) to give notice that a grenade (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenade) or satchel charge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satchel_charge) was being tossed into a bunker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunker), spider hole (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider_hole), or other enclosure.

Nice description of the canon and great photos by the way. At what battlefields were these taken? I get out to Manassas, Fredericksburg, and Chancellorsville every now and then. Antietam and Gettysburg are just an hour or so up the road. It's nice to be close to all that history.


Thanks! I've always wondered about that... well... maybe not "always" :)
They were taken at one of three places:

Appomattox Courthouse (where Lee let Grant win :lol: )
Chickamauga
Shiloh (I've been to Shiloh twice and I'll probably go many more times)

I have an ongoing project in Midland, PA. I hope to get to Gettysburg in the near future.

Those are very well composed. # 4 is spot on. What equipment?

Just about every one of them was taken with an 85mm f1.2 and the EOS1DsMkii.

zeker
18th of January 2007 (Thu), 08:15
If you haven't already, read "Killer Angels" by Michael Shaara or see the movie "Gettysburg" (which is based on Killer Angles) before you visit the battlefield. It will really help set the stage for your visit.

Zeke

Mike6158
18th of January 2007 (Thu), 08:20
I'm working on Shelby Foote's 3 volume monster right now... but I might be able to squeeze in the movie :D

zeker
18th of January 2007 (Thu), 09:07
After you've read Foote's tomes, a little easier read are the Michael and Jeff Shaara's books. They are really novels based on historical facts and hard to put down once you've begun reading.

"Gone For Soldiers" - Spanish/American war and events leading up to the Civil War

"Gods and Generals" - Antietam/Fredericksburg/Chancellorsville (Also made into a movie)

"Killer Angles" - Three days at Gettysburg

"Last Full Measure" - Wilderness/Petersburg/Appomattox

J T
18th of January 2007 (Thu), 10:04
#4 gets my attention the most. I wonder why. :lol: Excellent images and I think they'd work well with b/w conversions.

KCMO Al
18th of January 2007 (Thu), 10:19
Mike, Zeker's research matches what we were told when I attended Artillery OCS at Fort Sill many years ago. Thanks for the research on the hardware.
The books by Shelby Foote are the bible, in my opinion. I've read Killer Angels and saw Gettysburg and didn't really like either one for some reason.
I hope you get to Gettysburg. It is a wonderful experience. Don't forget Vicksburg. It's not far from you and is a great monument, although some of the sites are hard to visualize due to heavy vegitation that has grown since the battle.
As for the shots, mostly very nice. However, check your dof. It appears you are going for very shallow dof which works on some of the shots very well, but #2 and 3 it appears that the foreground pieces are out of focus, at least on my laptop.

Mike6158
18th of January 2007 (Thu), 10:23
Mike, Zeker's research matches what we were told when I attended Artillery OCS at Fort Sill many years ago. Thanks for the research on the hardware.
The books by Shelby Foote are the bible, in my opinion. I've read Killer Angels and saw Gettysburg and didn't really like either one for some reason.
I hope you get to Gettysburg. It is a wonderful experience. Don't forget Vicksburg. It's not far from you and is a great monument, although some of the sites are hard to visualize due to heavy vegitation that has grown since the battle.
As for the shots, mostly very nice. However, check your dof. It appears you are going for very shallow dof which works on some of the shots very well, but #2 and 3 it appears that the foreground pieces are out of focus, at least on my laptop.

The DOF choice was intentional in those two. #2 is focused on the target. #3 is focused on the far cannon. Viewed full size it makes more sense.

Rhinotherunt
18th of January 2007 (Thu), 14:15
Did you get some images looking down the barrel?

KCMO Al
18th of January 2007 (Thu), 14:37
There was a debate somewhere here about whether oof foreground objects were distracting. I don't remember the consensus, but I avoid them. I just don't like the effect but that is my personal preference. Other than that, I liked these very much.

Mike6158
18th of January 2007 (Thu), 15:22
Did you get some images looking down the barrel?

I might have some but I've taken a few thousand images since then. The folders that I store the files in are dated but it would take some time to go thru them :)


There was a debate somewhere here about whether oof foreground objects were distracting. I don't remember the consensus, but I avoid them. I just don't like the effect but that is my personal preference. Other than that, I liked these very much.

Yeah... I think it works better for #3 than #2 because of the size of the image but either way it's a personal preference thing. Thanks.

asolie
18th of January 2007 (Thu), 19:36
Nice series! I like the barrel shots. :)

R Hardman
19th of January 2007 (Fri), 00:34
I like the DOF in #6. Well done.

Fire in the Hole - Term also used by Marines when flushing toilets to warn those taking their shower. (Caused cold water to stop flowing to the shower stalls thus scalding your buddies.) ;)