Should I wait?

[Jmurman]

I am going to order/purchase a 300D within a week or so.

I've seen threads talking about stepping up to the next level Canon, and posibly the Nikon D70.

My photo needs are simple. I am starting from scratch with either the Canon or Nikon, so thats certainly a factor. I will do some macro, but mainly family and scenery...no exotic trips here! :lol:

I am thinking the 300D with kit lense, a zoom ( I would like the IS lens) and extension tube to start with.

Any thoughts?

[sparktography]

If I were you I would skip out on the kit lens and go right for the 28-135IS... its a much more usefull lens overall. You will miss out on some of the wide angle, but unless you think you will be doing a lot no worries. The 28-135 also does an excellent macro job with the EF12 extension tube: http://images3.deviantart.com/i/2004/10/7/f/Shift_your_perceptions.jpg

[NILOLIGIST]

If you are certain that your needs are simple and are going to stay that way, get the 300D.

Otherwise, if you are on the fence and are thinking of doing other things, maybe a lot of sports and action I would at least go for the 10D.

I like to grow into things not out of them. I have already purchased TWO cameras, I hope the MK ll is the last for a while.

If you are looking for a good deal on a 10D with a lens or two tons of accessories, let me know. I am looking to selling my lens, I am upgrading to the MK ll.

NiL,

[CoolToolGuy]

This is not just a slam at N***n, but the salesman at the local photo specialty store says that N***n has a history of problems with the first examples off the assembly line, and that many of them have to go back to N***n for repair or replacement. :cry:
Obviously, most of us here think that the 300D/Drebel would be your best choice. But if you are swayed to the dark side (N***n), don't try to be the first one on the block with it - wait a month or so to buy it. You may wind up with a more pleasant experience. :D

Have Fun
Rick 8)

[Jmurman]

If you are certain that your needs are simple and are going to stay that way, get the 300D.

Otherwise, if you are on the fence and are thinking of doing other things, maybe a lot of sports and action I would at least go for the 10D.

I like to grow into things not out of them. I have already purchased TWO cameras, I hope the MK ll is the last for a while.

If you are looking for a good deal on a 10D with a lens or two tons of accessories, let me know. I am looking to selling my lens, I am upgrading to the MK ll.

NiL,

OK, so the next question is this...........why should I consider the 10D? It is $500 more and no lense? I guess that this is where I am on the fence.

[CoolToolGuy]

OK, so the next question is this...........why should I consider the 10D? It is $500 more and no lense? I guess that this is where I am on the fence.

The Drebel is a 10D that has been dumbed down and dressed in silver. The 10D has some features that the Drebel doesn't have, but the sensor is effectively the same in both cameras, so the image quality is equivalent. :)

When I started this journey, I told myself that the Drebel was my way to get into a DSLR for $1000, and that was the motivation. Without the Drebel in the lineup, I would have waited and saved a little longer to get the 10D. But with the 28-135 IS, which seems to be the most popular combo, the price of the 10D is twice that of the Drebel (or close). :shock:

So now I have the 28-135 IS anyway, along with a bunch of other glass that I didn't think I was gonna buy so soon. This hobby is addictive. I'm happy with the Drebel, but I realize I've spent enough that I could have gotten the 10D in the first place. :? :D

Think about upgrades. DSLRs get superceded about every year. If you think you are going to stick with whatever you get now, you may want to reach a little and get the 10D. But get ready for whichever one you get to be superceded soon. If you can be happy not being at the bleeding edge, you'll be at peace when Canon announces the latest and greatest. :roll:

Whatever you decide, welcome.

Have Fun
Rick 8)

[NILOLIGIST]

There wasn't a choice for me, the Rebel was not out at the time. Now, that I have the 10D, I find that I need more speed and power. Now, what you get really depends on you. What you want to shoot and what you will be shooting. That is hard to decided right now.

I first purchased the G3, the lag was too much for me, I upgraded to the 10D. Now, the lag is too much for me again. I need more speed, you may not.

The 300D has a plastic body, 10D has alloy. 10D is faster too. The 10D give you more flexiblity for customizing settings. They are not meant to be the same camera, the 300D is meant to be less than the 10D. Perhaps, you will be fine with the 300D and that is fine. If not, join the ranks of the upgraders. LOL

I really hate the lag and I want to cut down on the lag. I am not really a pro shooter but I plan to be. I shoot Dancer, Musicians, Models, Wildlife, Weddings and everything else I can do under the sun.

Don't listen to me, I upgrade when the wind blows. Just make sure you know what you want and you will be fine.

It is not a SLAM, the Rebel is GREAT camera, it is about what you want. Don't listen to me or anyone, listen to what you need.

You can pickup my 28-135 for a good deal. This is a great lens that I don't use much.

NiL,

[PacAce]

If I were you I would skip out on the kit lens and go right for the 28-135IS... its a much more usefull lens overall. You will miss out on some of the wide angle, but unless you think you will be doing a lot no worries. The 28-135 also does an excellent macro job with the EF12 extension tube: http://images3.deviantart.com/i/2004/10/7/f/Shift_your_perceptions.jpg

I both disagree and agree with the statements above. I think you SHOULD get the 18-55 kit lens. It'll offer you the wide angle coverage you're going to need for those indoor family get-togethers and parties as well as scenery pictures. For only a $100, why wouldn't you get it?

But I do agree that you should also get the 28-135IS. It's a very good lens. However, it does not replace the 18-55. It supplements it.

:)

[timmyquest]

I just want to say that i regrest not spending the extra $500 on the 10D...you and i may be differnt, but it's something to think about i guess.

[kafene]

I just want to say that i regrest not spending the extra $500 on the 10D...you and i may be differnt, but it's something to think about i guess.

I got the 10D, but I always recommend the DRebel without hesitation for someone who might not want to spend the money.

In the photographic sense, I always feel that I will NEVER take the photography to it's limit, because the limit is ME. I know this because if I got THE BEST camera money can buy, I know that a pro who's got a photographic eye for seeing things can STILL blow me away with a freakin' disposable. That's what I tell my friends. There's SO MUCH learning to do that there will never be a point where you can't improve your photos with composition, technique, etc.

Now why did I get a 10D? First, the D300 was not available at the time, but even if it WAS, I would have gotten the 10D NOT because I thought I would take better pictures with it, but BECAUSE I'm a superficial dork who wants the best he can afford (or even not be able to afford) :)

kafene.

[CoolToolGuy]

If you are near Baltimore, check out Cooper's Camera Mart. One in Hamilton, one on Reisterstown Rd, and one at Greenspring Station. They will do right by you.

Have Fun
Rick 8)

[mr_clean001]

kafene - LMAO! "superficial dork who wants the best he can afford" - I don't know if I should I admit I can relate to that or not!

[roanjohn]

For simple shooting of family and scenery, I think the 300D is more than capable.

Buy it with the kit lens (now the difference is only 70 USD!!!) and use the money you saved from the 10D to purchase the 28-135 IS. And throw in the 50 1.8 (another 70 USD) as a consolation prize for choosing silver!!!

In any case, I have the 300D and ask for nothing more - well, except for more lens............as they said, its ADDICTIVE!!!

Ro1

[ron chappel]

Don't even think about the 10D unless you have money to burn!The 300D is perfect for what you want.Get the kit lens as well!(but get better lenses if you can -or when you can)
The only possible reason i could think for avoiding the 300D is for taking multiple high speed focused tracking shots of playing kids...but that's drawing a rather long bow :) .
All you would have to do in that situation is take more shots than you need and throw the out of focus ones.

[playinhockey]

Why do some people on this forum think the 300D is not capable of sports photography? It's practically all I use it for. I shoot Basketball, Ice Hockey and Lacrosse with it every week and have gotten some pretty outstanding shots with it. So far, I have not seen the need for anything else. Save your money and put it towards fast lenses! The Rebel rocks for sports photography!

[chris.bailey]

I am going to order/purchase a 300D within a week or so.

I've seen threads talking about stepping up to the next level Canon, and posibly the Nikon D70.

My photo needs are simple. I am starting from scratch with either the Canon or Nikon, so thats certainly a factor. I will do some macro, but mainly family and scenery...no exotic trips here! :lol:

I am thinking the 300D with kit lense, a zoom ( I would like the IS lens) and extension tube to start with.

Any thoughts?

there is no right or wrong answer and you probably wont know until you have made the wrong decision. That is life!!

If you buy the 300D, you will wish you had gone the extra mile for the 10D. If you go the extra mile and buy the 10D and 28-135 you will wonder if you could have saved a few bucks and bought the 300D. MOST of us who are honest have been there.

In reality (not that that is particulalry significant), both are superb cameras, capable of taking superb pictures. That is the important thing. Both are very user friendly. The 10D has a few more whistles you will hardly ever use and can work around, the 300D looks kind of smart in silver (flame suit on).

So buy whichever seems right on the day you walk into the camera store and be prepared to think you have made the wrong decision because this will happen in any event.

Get over that and go and take some photographs.

[Jmurman]

For simple shooting of family and scenery, I think the 300D is more than capable.

Buy it with the kit lens (now the difference is only 70 USD!!!) and use the money you saved from the 10D to purchase the 28-135 IS. And throw in the 50 1.8 (another 70 USD) as a consolation prize for choosing silver!!!

In any case, I have the 300D and ask for nothing more - well, except for more lens............as they said, its ADDICTIVE!!!

Ro1

I want to thank you all for your replies.

Why should I (or shouldn't I) get the 300D with the Kit lens, as opposed to the 300D body only with a 28-135 IS? It seems to me that there is a bit of duplication here. Is the 28-135 IS a "noticeably" better quality lens? ???

I am still tyring to work through the starting configuartion here. You see, when I get this set, it will be a loooong time before any other (major) add ons will take place....my wife will see to that! :lol: :lol: :lol: I will pay a much heavier price than the 300D (American Eagle, GAP, Old Navy blah, blah, blah)

[chris.bailey]

The 28-135 is a noticeably better lense and one, whould you then move on from the 300D, you would likely want to keep. It is also very good value for money and one that gets a lot of praise on this forum.

The key element is whether you think the differences are worth the extra money.

[Jmurman]

The key element is whether you think the differences are worth the extra money.

Sorry to ask so many questions, what differences are you talking about? The IS? I saw this lens for about +/- $500 on Amazon.com So, the "net difference" price wise should be about $400 right? Is there a $400 difference over the kit lens? Would the $400 net duplicate the kit?

I really do appreciate all of your help!

[Johnnynf]

Jmurman,

The 28-135 definately DOES NOT duplicate the kit lens. It offers MUCH more zoom capability, and has the IS, which is a very nice feature. I just bought one from B and H for $399. However, that being said, I do think the kit lens has its uses as well. It goes a little wider than the 28-135, which may come in handy some time. As some of the others have been saying, for $100, you really can't go wrong with it. If that $100 is really going to make it or break it for you, then I would probably ditch the kit lens and go for the 28-135. But, if there is any way you can get the kit lens, I would recommend doing so. For the price, it really is a good buy.

I think I was in a similar situation as you about a month ago. I am very happy with my choice of the 300D over the 10D. The picture quality is identical, and the 300D was really all I needed. I am no pro, and never plan on being a pro, so it was the logical choice. I, like you, just wanted a nice digital camera to take pictures of family, pets, and travel...and the 300D is WONDERFUL for this. Also, I have done a fair amount of sports photography as well, and I have been more than pleased with the performance of the 300D.

I also have a wife who likes to go shopping (I had to endure many days at the mall to make up for my camera purchase). I feel your pain. PM me if you want to chat more. I think our situations are very similar.

[Jmurman]

Thanks for helping clear this issue up. The 100 isn't going to make or break the deal at all...I just didn't want to plunk down money over duplication.

So, I'll get the 300D and the 28-135 IS.

I have a nice Bogen tri pod....everything else is from scratch...filters, data cards, flash (damn these can be spendy little items too!) any thoughts on flashes? This should get me set for a while, but if this anything like cigars (cubans vs domestics) then the L lens at some point will call to me! :lol: :lol:

[Jesper]

The kit lens with the 300D is cheap and not too bad. The 28-135 doesn't cover the short end of the 300D kit lens (18-55 mm). I've bought the 17-40 f/4L for my 10D, because 28mm on my 28-135 was often too long.

If you want a wider angle lens, you might also look at buying the 17-40, but it's $700 - OK, the optical quality will be better than the 18-55 EF-S lens, but it's 7 times more expensive.

[CoolToolGuy]

So, get the kit with the lens AND the 28-135 IS. From the start you will have good (not great) wide angle through short tele coverage in the kit lens, and great (nearly 'L') quality in the normal to mid tele range. :wink:

If you want to improve your stuff AND impress the wife, sell the kit lens. You paid a $100 premium over the body to get it, and I see them all the time on eBay for $120 - $140 (bid prices, not asking prices), and use the money to put down on an ultra-wide zoom like the 20-35. You're making money off of the kit lens so she should be happy. :roll:

And if you get all of this at Camera Mart, they may meet the B&H price (and no shipping cost). :) :D

Hope this helps

Have Fun
Rick 8)

[Tom W]

So, get the kit with the lens AND the 28-135 IS. From the start you will have good (not great) wide angle through short tele coverage in the kit lens, and great (nearly 'L') quality in the normal to mid tele range. :wink:


Have Fun
Rick 8)

I agree - you'll not find a better lens for the price than the kit lens. And it will give you coverage over the wide end that the 28-135 lacks. It isn't wrong to have two lenses with overlapping range - they can both serve as a "walk-around" lens depending on where you are planning to shoot.

Plus, the kit lens gives you something to sell with your DReb if you should ever decide to get another camera in a few years.

[PacAce]

So, I'll get the 300D and the 28-135 IS.

I have a nice Bogen tri pod....everything else is from scratch...filters, data cards, flash (damn these can be spendy little items too!) any thoughts on flashes? This should get me set for a while, but if this anything like cigars (cubans vs domestics) then the L lens at some point will call to me! :lol: :lol:

I guess you're looking at the posts but NOT READING the posts. Just about all of us are saying get the 300D with the 18-55 kit lens AND the 28-135 IS.

[Jmurman]

So, I'll get the 300D and the 28-135 IS.

I have a nice Bogen tri pod....everything else is from scratch...filters, data cards, flash (damn these can be spendy little items too!) any thoughts on flashes? This should get me set for a while, but if this anything like cigars (cubans vs domestics) then the L lens at some point will call to me! :lol: :lol:

I guess you're looking at the posts but NOT READING the posts. Just about all of us are saying get the 300D with the 18-55 kit lens AND the 28-135 IS.

I am reading them, I just am not typing as well as I should...I am going to go with the 300D/kit lens AND 28-235 IS.

Sorry about any confusion, I am at work and right now have to reprice my Civics and Accords...pain in the a*% but must be done! :lol: :lol:

[CoolToolGuy]

I am reading them, I just am not typing as well as I should...I am going to go with the 300D/kit lens AND 28-235 IS

Whew! Glad to hear it! I wouldn't disown you or anything if you went another way, but I'm glad you saw it that way. :D

Have Fun
Rick 8)

P.S. If you do go to Camera Mart in Hamilton, Robert King is the Canon expert. Tell him Rick Stecker sent you. :wink:

[drisley]

So, get the kit with the lens AND the 28-135 IS. From the start you will have good (not great) wide angle through short tele coverage in the kit lens, and great (nearly 'L') quality in the normal to mid tele range. :wink:


Have Fun
Rick 8)

I agree - you'll not find a better lens for the price than the kit lens. And it will give you coverage over the wide end that the 28-135 lacks. It isn't wrong to have two lenses with overlapping range - they can both serve as a "walk-around" lens depending on where you are planning to shoot.

Plus, the kit lens gives you something to sell with your DReb if you should ever decide to get another camera in a few years.

I agree. Having the kit lens will make it easier to sell the camera down the road because in a couple years, the people who are going to buy the Rebel probably won't be the type to want to buy a seperate lens. That is how I figure it will be for me.

[chris.bailey]

[quote="PacAce"][quote=Jmurman]So, I'll get the 300D and the 28-135 IS.


The right answer but it is your money

[Jmurman]

[quote=PacAce][quote=Jmurman]So, I'll get the 300D and the 28-135 IS.


The right answer but it is your money

I responded incorrectly. I meant to say that I was getting the 300D/kit lens AND the 28-135 IS.

I am getting excited now. Called Best Buy, they have one in stock....mmmmm