Canon 40D Leak at Canon HK

[knownothing]

Just saw this at DPReview.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=21756727

Or the direct english link at Canon HK.

http://www.canon.com.hk/en/consumer/product/productdetail.aspx?product_id=10320&series_id=1000#top

No product pic or specs yet but at least this confirms that a D40 is planned.

[coreypolis]

not really a matter of when, just what it will be at this point.

[Faithless]

LOL

SERVER IS TOO BUSY now :P

[enigmatic]

I managed to get to the site in between "server busy" message but the page is pretty much empty.

[farrukh]

Working now.

[farrukh]

If you analyze on that HK site, 400D ID is 10289 and new blank 40d page's ID is 10320. which is newer. So it seems that 40d is decided and it will appear there soon.

[Tom W]

Interesting.....

[fstop11.net]

I can see the 1D not been released until summer I really can. Still this is progress.

[cdesperado]

But announcing it in the summer would rob them of the glory of presenting a new flagship at the PMA....

This is what the Canon page now displays....

[zacker]

This is what the Canon page now displays....

as does the english version.

[zacker]

heres what its got now... I gues its the new "Retro-Look" they were going for..

lol........ :lol: :lol: :lol:
http://zacker.smugmug.com/photos/124771447-M.jpg

[Alnitak]

That's awesome, Zacker, thanks for the laugh.

What's that, the AE-1 Program? Those were the days.

[fstop11.net]

Your hopefully right. Im just feeling negative. (Its coz im waiting to buy a 1D so you just feel like forever waiting)

[zacker]

That's awesome, Zacker, thanks for the laugh.

What's that, the AE-1 Program? Those were the days.

No, Its the new 40D-Retro.. oh yeah, its also going to be a 35MM Film Body... :D

AAAAAnd! it is being released as the return of the FD mount so Its not even an EOS!
lol

(Just trying to brighten up a cold, winter Monday morning!)

[coreypolis]

I can see the 1D not been released until summer I really can. Still this is progress.
they don't release i nthe summer, spring and fall only at the big trade shows ;)

[CoolToolGuy]

they don't release i nthe summer, spring and fall only at the big trade shows ;)

Not true - both the original Digital Rebel (300D), as well as the 20D were announced in August - and the announcements were not made during a show.

Have Fun,

[silverhalide]

[quote=zacker;2580470]No, Its the new 40D-Retro.. oh yeah, its also going to be a 35MM Film Body... :D
[quote]

Hmm, that's interesting. My sources indicated that Canon was sticking with the 1.6 crop and not going FF for the 40D-R.

:D

E.

[JohnnyG]

I'm getting so excited about the 40D and I don't know why but I seem to be getting sucked into all this hype! I guess I just want to trade up from my 20D which I love. I'm afraid it will become too old soon to sell.

[racketman]

I'm getting so excited about the 40D and I don't know why but I seem to be getting sucked into all this hype! I guess I just want to trade up from my 20D which I love. I'm afraid it will become too old soon to sell.

If you can afford to I would keep it as a back up body ( assuming the 40D gets good reviews).

[zacker]

No, Its the new 40D-Retro.. oh yeah, its also going to be a 35MM Film Body... :D


Hmm, that's interesting. My sources indicated that Canon was sticking with the 1.6 crop and not going FF for the 40D-R.

:D

E.

Well they would have but this will be a 35MM FILM camera ... although, roumor has it a Digital version will be released at the same time called the 40-1/2D. :lol:

[vladnl]

I'm getting so excited about the 40D and I don't know why but I seem to be getting sucked into all this hype! I guess I just want to trade up from my 20D which I love. I'm afraid it will become too old soon to sell.

Now that is a true fact of the market and our lives. I've bought DRebel almost 3 years ago, paid for it 1500 euro, now-days it sells for 300-400 euro :) That is tremendous loss in so short period of time. Another 3 years and you can exchange it for peanuts.
However, I am also waiting for the 40D :)

[Punisher77]

Now that is a true fact of the market and our lives. I've bought DRebel almost 3 years ago, paid for it 1500 euro, now-days it sells for 300-400 euro :) That is tremendous loss in so short period of time. Another 3 years and you can exchange it for peanuts.


This is exactly the reason that I'll probably keep my 350D. It'll be a great backup for my new 5Dmk2. :D

[basroil]

If you analyze on that HK site, 400D ID is 10289 and new blank 40d page's ID is 10320. which is newer. So it seems that 40d is decided and it will appear there soon.

by the same reasoning, the 40d should have actually been released at the photokina main show. just look at items 10310-1335, all printers, scanners, and digicams introduced during photokina (hell, even G7 is in there). guess canon jipped us out of the 40d 6 months ago:rolleyes:

[Lightstream]

heres what its got now... I gues its the new "Retro-Look" they were going for..

lol........ :lol: :lol: :lol:
http://zacker.smugmug.com/photos/124771447-M.jpg


Oooooooooohh...... Canon is doing a Leica!!

Can you imagine? FD mount - so all that FD glass will suddenly become useful - with a 1.3X crop factor 8MP sensor in a manual focus digital back styled like Ye Olde Canons. Pop open the bottom and find the SD card slot and the NB-2LH (bit small for a BP511.. the NB2LH for those unfamiliar with it is the Digital Rebel/Powershot Sx0 series battery).

And it may actually be affordable, unlike the Leica M8.. well, even if the body is outrageously priced, all the FD glass is cheap! Time to raid Ebay for the FD 85/1.2L - just a mere $500!!

:p

:p

:p


It would be interesting: Canon would have the dubious honor of being the one to resurrect a 'killed' lens mount and secondary market. Doubt they would do it though - I'll bet they don't have any new FD lenses for sale (new as in manufactured within any recent time, as opposed to "stuff we buried in the vault a while back just in case we needed it")

[ajbalazic]

It would be interesting: Canon would have the dubious honor of being the one to resurrect a 'killed' lens mount and secondary market. Doubt they would do it though - I'll bet they don't have any new FD lenses for sale (new as in manufactured within any recent time, as opposed to "stuff we buried in the vault a while back just in case we needed it")

I can't imagine how Canon users felt the day they announced the retirement of FD lenses. If Canon ever changed mount today there would be rebellion- riots in the streets, chaos...

[roqdawg]

I can't imagine how Canon users felt the day they announced the retirement of FD lenses.

Well,
It would be 25 years till I would buy another Canon camera or lens. If it happened to me again I would be done with it.

Roqdawg

[delhi]

I can't imagine how Canon users felt the day they announced the retirement of FD lenses. If Canon ever changed mount today there would be rebellion- riots in the streets, chaos...

So what? It doesn't mean that overnight EF/EFS lenses become junk. It was age that made the FD lens/camera are now outperformed. I will happily pick up the old junky EF L lenses if Canon comes out with a new mount.

[-MasterChief-]

its highly unlikely that canon is going to release a new mount. new lens electronics maybe, but not a new mount.

[CoolToolGuy]

Well, the prices of FD lenses on eBay would certainly shoot right up. :D

And I would have more options as to using (or selling) mine - Bring it On!

Have Fun,

[Lightstream]

Fully agreed with the earlier posts that this is exceptionally unlikely to happen. One needs to look at the circumstances surrounding the change of mount. Nikon was the market leader, top dog of the hill. Canon was bleeding red ink right left and center and attempting to stem the bleeding. Yes, we're talking substantial losses year-on-year. They essentially had nothing to lose - do the unthinkable, or become a footnote in history like so many other manufacturers we see here, NOW and today.

AF was a paradigm shift - not just a little shakeup. It was a HUGE shakeup. Overnight, manufacturers had to figure out how to get AF motors into lenses and drive them. Seen Canon's AC FD series? Now that is a truly awful looking lens. Those were early experiments but largely convinced Canon that they had to find a different way. Much of what we take for granted was born in those days.

The next paradigm shift was digital - but so happened that the mount was not only ready, but excellent, for the digital revolution. Minor change to EF-S as a sub-system in order to leverage extra digital capabilities.

Right now the Next Great Shakeup doesn't seem to be coming, and Canon is top dog. Nikon didn't change the mount - notice. They had no incentive to. But their much-touted "compatible all the way till the dawn of time" advantage is marred by the fact that you need a compatibility chart to decode what actually works with what.

Just a little bit of reassurance for you guys that it won't happen.

So what? It doesn't mean that overnight EF/EFS lenses become junk. It was age that made the FD lens/camera are now outperformed. I will happily pick up the old junky EF L lenses if Canon comes out with a new mount.

And if it does I'll do exactly that. I'll stock up on some 5D's or 1D's, then camp on Ebay for the L's to fall ;)

[JWright]

Just saw this at DPReview.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=21756727

Or the direct english link at Canon HK.

http://www.canon.com.hk/en/consumer/product/productdetail.aspx?product_id=10320&series_id=1000#top

No product pic or specs yet but at least this confirms that a D40 is planned.

Well, these links are now going to the 400D pages at Canon HK... What does that do to all the speculation?

[ScottE]

I can't imagine how Canon users felt the day they announced the retirement of FD lenses. If Canon ever changed mount today there would be rebellion- riots in the streets, chaos...

The did change mounts; its called EF-S. Fortunately for Canon users the cameras are backwards compatible with EF lenses. This allows a more orderly transition to the new mount than the original FD to EOS jump.

My jump was Konica to EOS because Konica stopped making SLR's.

[chris clements]

One needs to look at the circumstances surrounding the change of mount. Nikon was the market leader, top dog of the hill.

That's not my take on the reasons for the change. AF was the motivator, a technology were Nikon weren't players. The 35mm world changed totally with the bombshell of the Minolta 7000. Canon had launched the T80 less than a month before, chasing the Pentax ME-F.
Minolta made Canon's clunky effort a laughing stock overnight. It was either back to the drawingboard or just sell museum pieces.

[basroil]

Well, these links are now going to the 400D pages at Canon HK... What does that do to all the speculation?

that is only now.. when the 40d had appeared there, somewhere in the
10310s you had the g7 and the 400d... since these are all chronological, the 400d should be before the g7.... and also,
http://www.canon.com.hk/en/consumer/product/productdetail.aspx?product_id=10331
was a professional printer... now it's the new cameras just released a few days ago.. something fishy happened there.. and numbers 10333-35 are no longer there...;)

[canon shooter]

Just saw this at DPReview.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=21756727

Or the direct english link at Canon HK.

http://www.canon.com.hk/en/consumer/product/productdetail.aspx?product_id=10320&series_id=1000#top

No product pic or specs yet but at least this confirms that a D40 is planned.Your links are not to the 40D but instead the 400D

[basroil]

Your links are not to the 40D but instead the 400D

check all three pages next time, it's already been discussed:evil:

[BradT0517]

So what? It doesn't mean that overnight EF/EFS lenses become junk. It was age that made the FD lens/camera are now outperformed. I will happily pick up the old junky EF L lenses if Canon comes out with a new mount.

Im going to pick up a couple of 50 1.2 L's and hold them a few years then sell them as collecter items.

[Juan Zas]

A new Web Page in Netherlands is preparing the "advent" of the 40D:

LetsGoDigital (http://www.letsgodigital.org/nl/camera/specification/1466/show.html)

official member of DIWA awards. Even they have prepared the specifications sheet although obviously is empty or at 0.

[farrukh]

Great catch! we are getting closer

[JohnnyG]

A new Web Page in Netherlands is preparing the "advent" of the 40D:

LetsGoDigital (http://www.letsgodigital.org/nl/camera/specification/1466/show.html)

official member of DIWA awards. Even they have prepared the specifications sheet although obviously is empty or at 0.

There are no data in the columns yet! :( Good news though. Wonder when?

[delhi]

Gotta be soon! I sure hope the 40D is a sizeable jump vs. what 30D was to the 20D. Somehow I may face disappointment. Nevertheless, the 30D shall be returned for store credit..... :D

[ramirez.photo]

I'm sure once the rebates are over, 2/15 I believe, is when Canon will be ready to announce the 40D.

Or at least, I hope that's what's gonna happen.

[MrChad]

I can't imagine how Canon users felt the day they announced the retirement of FD lenses. If Canon ever changed mount today there would be rebellion- riots in the streets, chaos...


My buddy left for Nikon, that's how pissed he still is at Canon....and his closet full of FD glass.

[joegolf68]

My buddy left for Nikon, that's how pissed he still is at Canon....and his closet full of FD glass.

He went outside, looked at the street, it went both ways and he made a choice. Apparently there weren't enough people with that conviction, as Canon is rolling right along. I came over from Nikon, due to the nice glass Canon offered. I'm sure if Canon changed mounts, there would be lots of folks like your buddy.

[MrChad]

He went outside, looked at the street, it went both ways and he made a choice. Apparently there weren't enough people with that conviction, as Canon is rolling right along. I came over from Nikon, due to the nice glass Canon offered. I'm sure if Canon changed mounts, there would be lots of folks like your buddy.

I don't think there were enough Canon pro's to care to be honest, Canon was always a second run next to Nikon until that Eos thing caught on...

Canon bet the farm on that AF thing, looks like a good call now. I'm not so sure I would have said that in 1986 with a closet full of FD glass.

My buddy actually did purchase some Eos gear, but when he owned (what is now my) D30for some time then the EF-S lenses came out and he couldn't use them, that was like yet another insult, he sold his gear and went Nikon. He even acquired some MF Nikkors cheap from friends, he's very happy now--and hey good for him. I've got some cheap Canon gear because of it.

I shoot Canon over Nikon because I have more photography buddies with Canon gear, easier to swap and borrow gear. Had I had more Nikkor buds, well....

I can't say I find his Nikkors of equal quality any worse then my Canon L's optically. I actually rather like the tad bit smaller size of his 80-200/2.8 to my 70-200/2.8.

Nikon makes a nice bit of kit, though such comments will usually find folks banned in here.

[theflyingkiwi]

Nikon makes a nice bit of kit, though such comments will usually find folks banned in here.

You better watch out, saying the word nikon might get ya banned here :)

oops I guess that I am getting banned too.

nothing wrong with nikon. plenty people use then and they get good results. no point in being loyal to canon, they aren't loyal to us and we are the ones buying their product. :rolleyes:

[2005GLI]

if the 40d does come out, will there be a drop in price for the 30d? Im looking to upgrade in maybe 2 months when i get my tax refund. I dont want to get the 30d at full retail if new or at a used price and then have the 40d come out and drop the prices.

[delhi]

if the 40d does come out, will there be a drop in price for the 30d? Im looking to upgrade in maybe 2 months when i get my tax refund. I dont want to get the 30d at full retail if new or at a used price and then have the 40d come out and drop the prices.

Very likely. Even now the 30d's price is quite low with the rebates.

[MrChad]

if the 40d does come out, will there be a drop in price for the 30d? Im looking to upgrade in maybe 2 months when i get my tax refund. I dont want to get the 30d at full retail if new or at a used price and then have the 40d come out and drop the prices.

You may want to wait, sometimes Adorama gets factory refurb. Camera's they just had a deal on the 10D. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't have some 20D models sooner then later, but you need to watch often.

The 30D will definately drop in price, but like the 20D I expect it will be minor at first. Not until next summer/fall will the discount on a new model be substantial. Even at that the 20D was at the lowest new $900 I think, when the 30D finally was on the shelf.

Odds are the 20D will be the better used deal vs. the 30D and in the end these two camera have more in common then different. The only reason I would opt for the 30D is the larger LCD, everything else is fairly minor IMO. Not major enough to pass up a good deal on the 20D instead.

[delhi]

...even the vaunted spot-metering?! heheheh...

Canon was selling old 20d via employee sale for $500.

[MrChad]

...even the vaunted spot-metering?! heheheh...

Canon was selling old 20d via employee sale for $500.

Yeah I quickly realized why spot metering wasn't a huge option prior to the 30D, it's not the end of the world to bracket a centerweight shot or simply shoot in RAW.

[Heron]

I was in a photography shop in Lancaster (UK) at the weekend and they told me the 40D would be out in a couple of months! The cost of the 30D had dropped significantly and a £100 rebate from Canon.

[HughScot]

I was in a photography shop in Lancaster (UK) at the weekend and they told me the 40D would be out in a couple of months! The cost of the 30D had dropped significantly and a £100 rebate from Canon.

If an upgrade for the 30D is coming I would assume it will be announced at PMA in Vegas which starts on 3/8 with the press statements being issued a couple of days in advance. So we should know something in about a month.

[manipula]

I was in a photography shop in Lancaster (UK) at the weekend and they told me the 40D would be out in a couple of months! The cost of the 30D had dropped significantly and a £100 rebate from Canon.


No offence Heron, but as I work in one of the largest camera stores in the UK advising pros, and we have been told nothing at all from Canon, I suspect your shop staff have just been reading the speculative forums too. Which store/company was it?

[Heron]

Jessops......they said the info had just come in from canon.

[Juan Zas]

No offence Heron, but as I work in one of the largest camera stores in the UK advising pros, and we have been told nothing at all from Canon, I suspect your shop staff have just been reading the speculative forums too. Which store/company was it?

If this were true, I think that Canon is going to loose a lot of body & lens market share !!

A few months ago it was available an interview with one of the japannese chief ingeniers from Canon, and he stated that Canon has already replacements for almost ALL the models.

I work for a famous multinational company with one of the best research laboratories in the world. They go years ahead from us in development, the question is that no one want to kill the golden egg´s chicken and they don´t want to introduce new products in the market too early until a profit can get from the old ones. Only two main limitations regulates the introduction of new articles: the market and the technical limitations (get low noise sensors, with great dynamic range, at big size and at reasonable cost, for example) to compete in this market. Canon has the technology (sensors, digital processors, lenses...), they doesn´t depend from others and they go also ahead in development.

So, if they doesn´t introduce new models to correct the actual market deviation, then is for technical reasons only (no yet in production, delays with IQ with 12 Mp sensors, or whatever...., just speculation here). They react very quickly with the 400D, but this is not enough to fight against the last market penetration of the Noink squad, Sony & others, with inside IS, face recognition, Wi-Fi´s, sensor cleaner, ..... at a very competitive price.

And also nice 3 party firms as SIgma makes lenses for others too, included the new line from Zeiss. So good optics will be also available for them. Another loss in the market.

I hope Canon is going to move pieces ...

[manipula]

Jessops......they said the info had just come in from canon.

Interesting, as it's Jessops I work for as well, at one of their World Camera Centres, and we've been told nothing. We're supposed to be informed ahead of anyone else basically so either they're talking balls (;) ) or our information line is letting us down, I suspect it may the first option but I shall dig further...

[puttick]

I heard from a reliable industry source the 40D will have a gyroscopic actuator that will actually move the camera body by a small amount to correct for a tilted horizon. You will be able to feel the camera twisting gently in your hands. In addition, it will also have a secondary mode that, when activated, can slightly shift the camera body position, and if necessary change the zoom setting, to produce a composition based on the rule of thirds. These functions would need to be disabled if the camera position is fixed, so there is a tripod setting, which shows a virtual bubble level on the top LCD.

Nigel

[manipula]

If that's true, I'd never buy one on principal. Cameras are for taking photos, not becoming techno geek fests. The photographer is supposed to be the talent not a box full of silicone chips.

[TomHuckWa]

I agree. I want control over the camera. Having said that, I still am hoping for a 40d 12mp digic 3 upgrade.

[jsimon724]

I'm pretty sure the "gyroscopic actuator" comment was tongue-in-cheek:rolleyes:

Jim

[theflyingkiwi]

I heard from a reliable industry source the 40D will have a gyroscopic actuator that will actually move the camera body by a small amount to correct for a tilted horizon. You will be able to feel the camera twisting gently in your hands. In addition, it will also have a secondary mode that, when activated, can slightly shift the camera body position, and if necessary change the zoom setting, to produce a composition based on the rule of thirds. These functions would need to be disabled if the camera position is fixed, so there is a tripod setting, which shows a virtual bubble level on the top LCD.

Nigel

hmm if that's the case then I am might skip passed this one and get the next one, where they include a feature which will highlight the photograph in red on the LCD screen in the back. this is to enable the camera to get the correct settings before you have even thought of pushing the shutter button. :lol:

[joegolf68]

Lmbo. I ain't biting on that one. A tilting camera? Hahahaha. But a good piece of leg pulling!

I

[Lightstream]

People... that was a very well written piece of tongue in cheek humor... it's not real folks.. ;)

[Skippy29]

I heard from a reliable industry source the 40D will have a gyroscopic actuator that will actually move the camera body by a small amount to correct for a tilted horizon. You will be able to feel the camera twisting gently in your hands. In addition, it will also have a secondary mode that, when activated, can slightly shift the camera body position, and if necessary change the zoom setting, to produce a composition based on the rule of thirds. These functions would need to be disabled if the camera position is fixed, so there is a tripod setting, which shows a virtual bubble level on the top LCD.

Nigel


:lol:

[manipula]

Thing is... you could actually see them/any electronics manufacturer actually doing it.

[ajbalazic]

I also heard the new 40D will have a small speaker that will comment on the photo taken. Some of the phrases that are programed in are:

"Great capture"
"Tack sharp"
"There's a distracting component in the shot"
"You should have used fill flash"

[Lightstream]

I also heard the new 40D will have a small speaker that will comment on the photo taken. Some of the phrases that are programed in are:

"Great capture"
"Tack sharp"
"There's a distracting component in the shot"
"You should have used fill flash"

http://web.mac.com/aaronandpatty/iWeb/What%20the%20Duck/Images/WTD36.gif

[puttick]

I'm glad some of you liked my gyroscopic camera leveller. But wait a minute - it's actually a good idea...

Nigel