New Canon 1Ds

[BWiley]

Does anyone have any insight as to when Canon will release a new 1Ds? I know it's speculation at this point, but I'd like to know if Canon is planning to upgrade the 1Ds in 2004. If so, does anyone know how many megapixels it will have, and what the price might be?

Thanks for looking into the crystal ball for me.

Bill

[kraterz]

Oh no, not again...

[CyberDyneSystems]

This thread is in violation of forum rules....


....er wait.. that's not here is it? 8) :mrgreen: :lol:

Really,.. the 1Ds has no competition. I would not expect a replacement for another year.

In fact,. I would wager that it's replacement will occur exactly 2-6 months AFTER any real competiton is released... :wink:

[G3]

I'm not real sure how they would improve on it? Maybe add wireless capability like the new Nikon? It's an astounding camera as it is.

[Guillermo Freige]

I'm not real sure how they would improve on it? Maybe add wireless capability like the new Nikon? It's an astounding camera as it is.

Probably the 1Ds MkII will have the pixel density of the 1D MkII or even the 10D, and the same ultrafast Digic II processor and reduced noise at high ISO speeds, and probably the same ISO range than the 10D/1D MkII (ISO 1600 at least). The increase pixel density will increase resolution to 14-16MP too. Also it will include the new 1D MkII niceties as automatic orientation of pictures, 10x preview zoom, etc. This is the only I can think as "improvements", to equal the 1Ds to the 1D MkII in features, besides the wireless option already mentioned (and promised by Canon for later this year as an option) .

I also don't think the 1Ds Mk II will be a 2004 camera, more probably a early 2005 one.

Just my 2 cents

[CoolToolGuy]

This thread is in violation of forum rules....


....er wait.. that's not here is it? 8) :mrgreen: :lol:



Whew! For a minute, I thought I had been automagically transported to RobotGalbraith. :roll:

My two cents (or whatever currency you use) - speculation is fine as long as it is noted as such. :D

Have Fun
Rick 8)

[Roger_Cavanagh]

Here's some more stuff that is decidedly speculation. This is from a chum who got it from a chum who works for... Well, I'll let you guess. :)

My chum's chum doesn't work in a department that makes him privy to the innermost workings, so he is trying to makes sense of the data that come his way. He has concluded that Canon will release 3 new SLRs this year: the first, as we have seen, is the 1D MkII. The other two will be announced in the autumn (that's fall for those that that need translation ;) ), so presumably Photokina. Neither of these will be the much anticipated 3D, but the 1Ds Mk II and the other will not be a replacement for the 10D, but another excursion into the mass market with something below the 300DRebel at 600-700 currency units.

Canon have publically stated that their only pro cameras will be full-frame, so I imagine that the 1D MkIII is somewhere in the pipeline, but will be dependent on, among other things, the ability to process an image FF CMOS at the machine gun speed necessary to satisfy the PJ and sports shooter. Once that happens, then maybe there will be room for a 1.3 crop 3D model and the 10D (or its replacement) will sit below that with the same 1.6 crop.

My chum also had an interesting theory that some segment of the digital still camera market will disappear in the future. Digital video will be of such a standard that if you want a still picture, you'll just choose "that frame".

Regards,

[CyberDyneSystems]

hmmm... seems there's more to this than meets the eye?

We'll have to go to work then.. and make this OFFICIAL! :shock:

[evilenglishman]

My chum also had an interesting theory that some segment of the digital still camera market will disappear in the future. Digital video will be of such a standard that if you want a still picture, you'll just choose "that frame".


The only way that would work is on the very low end as video resolution is so small. There isn't much of a need to increase it - DVD quality is only 720x520 pixels in PAL format (which has the best quality).
This isn't a reletively new idea either as sony has been putting still image capture on their video cameras for 3-4 years now.

[CoolToolGuy]

My chum also had an interesting theory that some segment of the digital still camera market will disappear in the future. Digital video will be of such a standard that if you want a still picture, you'll just choose "that frame".


The only way that would work is on the very low end as video resolution is so small. There isn't much of a need to increase it - DVD quality is only 720x520 pixels in PAL format (which has the best quality).
This isn't a reletively new idea either as sony has been putting still image capture on their video cameras for 3-4 years now.

That would require a revolution in hardware, and I just don't see it. I know Canon tried the lens compatibility thing several years ago in the VHS days with a camcorder that had interchangeable lenses, and they had an adapter for EOS lenses. I think the camcorder was an L1 or an A1.

Video resolution, while improving, will never need to be as good as still photography because you never see it long enough. Action is the byword, and your eye will never be able to appreciate a 6 megapixel image at 18 frames per second (or whatever it is in video). So why would a manufacturer provide all the good qualities of both in one unit? It would likely be outrageously expensive and have a limited market. :?

I bought a new camcorder for Christmas 2002, and I got a Sony with 1 megapixel resolution and a memory stick slot. I didn't get it for the memory stick capability, but I thought it might be interesting to try out. At the time, I had a Canon A20 (2 MP), and ultimately I thought 'Why bother with the camcorder?' Unless you have a specific need or you are a Shopsmith kinda person, two cameras will likely be a better choice. :roll:

(Steps down off of soapbox) :oops:

Have Fun
Rick 8)

[CoolToolGuy]

So, is this the speculation thread for anything Canon at Photokina, or just for the evolution of the 1Ds :?:

If we can cover it all in one thread, I wonder what new lens announcements will come at Photokina. New 'L's :?: Additional EF-S lenses (if there is a budget Drebel coming, there may be a market) :?: Ultra-wide primes and/or an ultra-wide zoom :?: Inquiring minds want to know :roll:

Tick, tick, tick, how many days to Photokina :?: :roll: :) :D :lol:

Have Fun
Rick 8)

[AJSJones]

My chum also had an interesting theory that some segment of the digital still camera market will disappear in the future. Digital video will be of such a standard that if you want a still picture, you'll just choose "that frame".


The only way that would work is on the very low end as video resolution is so small. There isn't much of a need to increase it - DVD quality is only 720x520 pixels in PAL format (which has the best quality).
This isn't a reletively new idea either as sony has been putting still image capture on their video cameras for 3-4 years now.

1920x1080 is already here in video (HDTV), but not yet at consumer level, although there is a consumer JVC HD camcorder at 1280x720. Still, 1920x1080 is "only" 2MP (equivalent to a 4MP digicam Bayer type) but once they become common (i.e. cheaper) folks with one of these will be able to choose "that frame". However, by then a 4MP digicam will be $0.99.....

[Pekka]

So, is this the speculation thread for anything Canon at Photokina, or just for the evolution of the 1Ds :?:

If we can cover it all in one thread, I wonder what new lens announcements will come at Photokina. New 'L's :?: Additional EF-S lenses (if there is a budget Drebel coming, there may be a market) :?: Ultra-wide primes and/or an ultra-wide zoom :?: Inquiring minds want to know :roll:

Tick, tick, tick, how many days to Photokina :?: :roll: :) :D :lol:

Have Fun
Rick 8)

What the h*** :) My wild guesses: no new EF lenses announced. New flash system to replace 550 series (radio slave). 1Ds mark II will have 16mp and dual card slots, less noise and faster. Same price or more as current 1Ds. Wireless storage system add-on for 1D(s) mark II series.

[evilenglishman]

1920x1080 is already here in video (HDTV), but not yet at consumer level, although there is a consumer JVC HD camcorder at 1280x720. Still, 1920x1080 is "only" 2MP (equivalent to a 4MP digicam Bayer type) but once they become common (i.e. cheaper) folks with one of these will be able to choose "that frame". However, by then a 4MP digicam will be $0.99.....


What was that video camera system George Lucas used to film one of the new star wars films?
That was video and put out a massive resolution like film (not sure if 35mm or 70mm)??? Of course that is way out of the budget of most professionals, let alone home users.

[kraterz]

A speculation thread? *sigh* Ok here's the official scoop from the insider I spoke to who heard from his neighbour who works in the dumpster behind one of the Brooklyn stores.

The 1Ds mark-II is going to have a 14 megapixel sensor.. not much more than the 1Ds since it already beats MF quality. The new one will beat 4x5 Velvia sheet film. It will also have a 12 fps motordrive, a 16-gig internal 800MHz SDRAM buffer, dual 128-bit ASIC processors, a new Digic-III engine, built in wireless LAN 55Mbps card so that you can shoot even without a CF card and directly send your images to a remote server, built in solar charder so that when you're shooting in the sun the batteries are automatically charged.

The breakthroughs in this model are : full screen 1200x800 AF sensors, built in ST-TE3 telepathy module to focus where you want it to (how the hell else do you select from the 1200x800 AF points?), telepathic color balance and exposure system, and ETTL-III flash based on distance measurement as well as telepathic intended flash exposure.

The great thing about this is that the body will weigh half of what the 1Ds weighs, and cost $400. This will completely sink Nikon and all other camera brands including film manufacturers, and many companies will go bankrupt. To compensate, the CF card makers will increase their prices by 800% and make a killing. Every other company will be wiped out and we will have the future microsoft of the camera world.

So there.

[Tom W]

A speculation thread? *sigh* Ok here's the official scoop from the insider I spoke to who heard from his neighbour who works in the dumpster behind one of the Brooklyn stores.........


.......The great thing about this is that the body will weigh half of what the 1Ds weighs, and cost $400. This will completely sink Nikon and all other camera brands including film manufacturers, and many companies will go bankrupt. To compensate, the CF card makers will increase their prices by 800% and make a killing. Every other company will be wiped out and we will have the future microsoft of the camera world.

So there.

You forgot one important thing - the new Canon will have 3 new buttons ergonomically placed on it - "Control", "Alt", and "Delete". This will allow for fast reboots mid-wedding. :)

[CyberDyneSystems]

I'm STILL thinking that a 400mm f/5.6 IS version is in the pipeline.. but I've been told I'm wrong.. :(

[CoolToolGuy]

My informant says that in response to requests from the owners of the various Internet forums, the camera will be supplied with a new menu function - the 'What lens should I buy' option. You aim the camera at what you would like to shoot and the electronics determine what lens would provide the best results. :roll: Sorry, Sigma fans, Canon lenses only. :(

And if you have all the proper wireless hookups, it will send an order directly to B&H. Accurate delivery will be provided if you also have the GPS add-on. :shock:

Have Fun
Rick 8)

[sparktography]

...

My chum also had an interesting theory that some segment of the digital still camera market will disappear in the future. Digital video will be of such a standard that if you want a still picture, you'll just choose "that frame".

Regards,

That is true for fun snaps, but what about us that want a long exposure, or some similar effect that a frame could not reprosent? What about multiple exposures?

[ron chappel]

A speculation thread? *sigh* Ok here's the official scoop from the insider I spoke to who heard from his neighbour who works in the dumpster behind one of the Brooklyn stores.........


.......The great thing about this is that the body will weigh half of what the 1Ds weighs, and cost $400. This will completely sink Nikon and all other camera brands including film manufacturers, and many companies will go bankrupt. To compensate, the CF card makers will increase their prices by 800% and make a killing. Every other company will be wiped out and we will have the future microsoft of the camera world.

So there.

You forgot one important thing - the new Canon will have 3 new buttons ergonomically placed on it - "Control", "Alt", and "Delete". This will allow for fast reboots mid-wedding. :)

Uh oh!!
Is canon being bought out by microsoft?!

[ron chappel]

A speculation thread? *sigh* Ok here's the official scoop from the insider I spoke to who heard from his neighbour who works in the dumpster behind one of the Brooklyn stores.........


.......The great thing about this is that the body will weigh half of what the 1Ds weighs, and cost $400. This will completely sink Nikon and all other camera brands including film manufacturers, and many companies will go bankrupt. To compensate, the CF card makers will increase their prices by 800% and make a killing. Every other company will be wiped out and we will have the future microsoft of the camera world.

So there.

You forgot one important thing - the new Canon will have 3 new buttons ergonomically placed on it - "Control", "Alt", and "Delete". This will allow for fast reboots mid-wedding. :)

Uh oh!!
Is canon being bought out by microsoft?!

[photography By Evangelos]

I can tell ya a 10D replacement is due. The 10D and the Digital Rebel are to close in pixel count and all most the same camera minus the 10D's Better body and Custom Functions.


Angelo

[GenEOS]

My guess...they wil REDUCE the sync speed to 1/200th.
hehehe

[ron chappel]

My informant says that in response to requests from the owners of the various Internet forums, the camera will be supplied with a new menu function - the 'What lens should I buy' option. You aim the camera at what you would like to shoot and the electronics determine what lens would provide the best results. :roll: Sorry, Sigma fans, Canon lenses only. :(

And if you have all the proper wireless hookups, it will send an order directly to B&H. Accurate delivery will be provided if you also have the GPS add-on. :shock:

Have Fun
Rick 8)

How long before sigma offers to 'rechip' the camera to offer sigma lens advice,LOL

[Tom W]

3 days and no speculation!!??

OK, how about this: Digital Rebel Mk II with all the features of the present 10D, but same Digireb body and price. Sorry, Nikon.

EF-S 18-72 mm f/3.5-5.6 kit lens. Sold with new 10D and seperately for $160.

EF 13-39 f/3.5-4.5 aspheric USM lens for $350.

10D gets E-TTL II, compatibility with "EF-S" lens, and improved autofocus. New "kit" lens offered for $100 more.

24-80 f/4.0L zoom lens for $700.

560EX flash - more powerful, improved over 550, includes non-TTL auto mode (like the old days)

1DS Mk II - 16 Megapixels, fast, very fine images. $6500.

EF 10 mm f/3.5 USM wide angle for $280.

EF 50 mm f/1.8 goes back to metal mount, improved flare control for $125.

OK, my imagination is now taxed. No more for tonight. :)

[CoolToolGuy]

3 days and no speculation!!??

OK, how about this: Digital Rebel Mk II with all the features of the present 10D, but same Digireb body and price. Sorry, Nikon.

EF-S 18-72 mm f/3.5-5.6 kit lens. Sold with new 10D and seperately for $160.

EF 13-39 f/3.5-4.5 aspheric USM lens for $350.

10D gets E-TTL II, compatibility with "EF-S" lens, and improved autofocus. New "kit" lens offered for $100 more.

24-80 f/4.0L zoom lens for $700.

560EX flash - more powerful, improved over 550, includes non-TTL auto mode (like the old days)

1DS Mk II - 16 Megapixels, fast, very fine images. $6500.

EF 10 mm f/3.5 USM wide angle for $280.

EF 50 mm f/1.8 goes back to metal mount, improved flare control for $125.

OK, my imagination is now taxed. No more for tonight. :)

It all looks good, but something tells me Canon won't introduce this many things all at the same time - but let's hope I'm wrong. :wink:

Does anyone think today's announcement of the Kodak DCS Pro SLR/c changes the picture? How about pricing for a 1Ds replacement? :)

Have Fun
Rick 8)

[Tom W]

It all looks good, but something tells me Canon won't introduce this many things all at the same time - but let's hope I'm wrong. :wink:

Does anyone think today's announcement of the Kodak DCS Pro SLR/c changes the picture? How about pricing for a 1Ds replacement? :)

Have Fun
Rick 8)

Well, it is pure speculation anyway.

As for the 1Ds replacement, it will cost more than the Kodak because it will be worth more.

[kraterz]

560EX flash - more powerful, improved over 550, includes non-TTL auto mode (like the old days)

EF 50 mm f/1.8 goes back to metal mount, improved flare control for $125.
I'd like the 550EX with auto-flash and a PC-sync socket.
50mm f/1.8 USM with metal mount, ring USM and distance scale. $80 only.

[EBOS]

10D gets E-TTL II, compatibility with "EF-S" lens, and improved autofocus. New "kit" lens offered for $100 more.

If only what you say could be true ... :lol: :lol: :lol:
I'm waiting for the new 10D to start my digital age ... I just hope it writes the pics to the card faster than the current 10D ... would come very in handy for sports- and aviation-photography !

Greetz,

:twisted: EBOS :twisted:

[logic_dev]

A replacement for the EOS 1Ds will be available in October of 2004. At that time, or just before, the current EOS 1Ds will be discontinued. The replacement will have higher resolution and use the same camera body. Obviously, it will have other improved or new features - but I don't know what.

[mvrekum]

More rumors are popping up.

Check out this page:
http://www.geheugenkaart.be/english/store/listcategoriesandproducts.asp?idCategory=173

for the EOS 10D mark II and more.

[roanjohn]

Canon announced earlier that they will be introducing 20 cameras this year..............so there are more models on the way... .:-)

My prediction:

10D upgrade - 8 mpx, DIGIC II, higher FPS.
300D upgrade - 6 pmx, black body (OOPsss, thats already in Japan).
1Ds upgrade - 14 mpx, DIGIC II, higher retail price.

EF Lenses:
100-300 f4 L IS
200 f1.8 L IS
and
12-30 f4 L

Okay, all my predictions are "L" lenses!!! he he!!!

Oh, and lets not forget the s600 - 6 mpx elph!!!

Ro1

[Tom W]

I'm not real sure how they would improve on it? Maybe add wireless capability like the new Nikon? It's an astounding camera as it is.

Probably the 1Ds MkII will have the pixel density of the 1D MkII or even the 10D, and the same ultrafast Digic II processor and reduced noise at high ISO speeds, and probably the same ISO range than the 10D/1D MkII (ISO 1600 at least). The increase pixel density will increase resolution to 14-16MP too. Also it will include the new 1D MkII niceties as automatic orientation of pictures, 10x preview zoom, etc. This is the only I can think as "improvements", to equal the 1Ds to the 1D MkII in features, besides the wireless option already mentioned (and promised by Canon for later this year as an option) .

I also don't think the 1Ds Mk II will be a 2004 camera, more probably a early 2005 one.

Just my 2 cents

Yes, I agree - the 1Ds II should simply have a larger version of the 1D II's sensor, so that they could be manufactured by the same process. It will have all the newer features that are common on 10D's and the new 1D, and will sport a lower noise level and higher ISO comparable to the 1D II as well.

[darrenb]

My humble opinion is that the camera manufacturers that generally manufacture 35mm DSLR equivalents AKA Canon, Nikon, Fuji need to really break the 35mm barrier and surpass 35mm film and more so slide quality, were almost there but just not quite. There are now medium format digi-backs pushing out anything between 20-30 Mpixels at stupendous £s/$s. It appears to me that most manufacturers are content with simply just getting as close to their film cousins as best possible and not too bothered about breaking these boudries. We have been with 35mm now for around 30 years, then the next jump is medium format.

My speculation is that we could end up with a 3 CCD or 3 CMOS model that is the ultimate Hybrid between 35mm and medium format, taking the developments in their video camcorder technology, having separate sensors for R,G and B giving resolutions in the region of 15-20 Meg without interpolation :?:

I give you the new Canon 3D's - 20 MPixel £10,000 (only £500 per Mpixel)

I can now see you all drooling, preparing to remortgage the house, send the wife back to work, tell the kids they'll have to settle working at Burger King or some other fast food joint and forego a University education so that you can purchase that ultimate piece of electronic engineering and be one up on everyone else.

Cautionary note - ENJOY PHOTOGPRAPHY, it's more than having the best kit available - As my wife keeps telling me it's not what you have...... it's how you use it. :twisted: I have far more decent photos taken with my old and since deceased AE1 Programme, A1 and F1 than I currently have with my 10D. Look at Bailey and Litchfield as an example and what they can do with an Olympus Trip :wink:

Don't get caught up in the techno trap, Photogrpahy is so much more than that :roll:

[RichardtheSane]

1Ds MKII will probably be announced in autumn 2004.

14Mp
5Fps with increased buffer
Digic II
Improved AF
Other handy features
£7000 (ish)

That is what I believe.
That is what I will not be able to afford, and don't need
That is what I will keep saying to myself.

[ShootTechPan]

Don't get caught up in the techno trap, Photogrpahy is so much more than that :roll:

Word. I must say, though, that using the 1Ds makes it difficult to go back to cropped-frame dSLRs. Still, some of my best stuff was shot with a broken Pentax K1000 or a 60-year-old 4x5 view camera.

:twisted: But seeing as how this IS the speculation thread, I'm really hoping for the 1Ds Mk II to have a somewhat higher frame rate (4-5 FPS) and lower noise. Yes, the noise isn't exactly super high, but the higher ISOs are pretty noisy and higher sensitivity would be nice. Reduced abberations at the frame edge would be nice, though part of that is the lens and part due to the microlenses and 3D structure of the CMOS sensor.

Oh yeah, and more resolution is always welcome as long as noise doesn't go up with it. I've found that the resolution on the 1Ds is sufficient for most uses.