Getting 1D Mk II. Which lens(e) should I buy?

[Belmondo]

Okay, this isn't an altogether serious question, but I am wondering about those of you who shoot a lot at 400mm (or longer). With your 10Ds and D60s, you getting the equivalent FOV of a 640mm lens. With the Mk II, that will drop to 520mm. Will that be a significant enough drop to cause you to go out and buy bigger glass?

If so, what are you thinking of?

[sparktography]

I think a better question is: Who is not getting an MKII? Anyone who is of course is already addicted to glass (L type, not crystal) so I guess it's a moot point!

MUST HAVE MORE LENSES :P

[Scottes]

What are your options after 400? The multi-thousand dollar lenses in 500 and 600. If you can afford a MKII and still afford to even THINK about one of these lenses, then this is a non-question. Just get one.

But how about a 1.4 TC? You should still get AF on the MKII at f/8, right?

Just an option, and much cheaper. And don't you already have a 1.4 TC?


Wishin' I could get a MKII and a 600mm f/4....

[Tom W]

Your 400 mm is woefully inadequate - give it to me. :)

I'd probably just try the lenses with the 1D and see how they perform before rewarding myself with another good lens.

[Belmondo]

Maybe we have to think outside the box a little. I know a couple of the 1D Mk II wannabes are big Sigma fans, and they have a couple larger lenses that are highly regarded.

[Tom W]

Maybe we have to think outside the box a little. I know a couple of the 1D Mk II wannabes are big Sigma fans, and they have a couple larger lenses that are highly regarded.

Well, I have a Sigma 70-200 f/2.8 that I am very happy with, so I'd say that they are a capable manufacturer. But I still need your 400.

Would you like a shipping address?

[Belmondo]

TomW:
I expect to be driving through Tennessee sometime in the next week or so. We leave here the afternoon of the 13th, and have to be in New York on the 19th. With the price of gas these days, I may have to stop in and borrow some food. I'm leaving the 400 at home to save gas.

(Actually, I'm campaigning for the route through Tennessee and up through the Shenandoah Valley. Wife wants to go through Indiana/Ohio. If she's asleep when I have to make the turn, we're there!)

[Tom W]

TomW:
I expect to be driving through Tennessee sometime in the next week or so. We leave here the afternoon of the 13th, and have to be in New York on the 19th. With the price of gas these days, I may have to stop in and borrow some food. I'm leaving the 400 at home to save gas.

(Actually, I'm campaigning for the route through Tennessee and up through the Shenandoah Valley. Wife wants to go through Indiana/Ohio. If she's asleep when I have to make the turn, we're there!)

The best way to calculate your savings in mileage is to carry the 400L with you for part of the trip - say to around Chattanooga - and record the mileage. Then leave the lens there and check your mileage for the rest of the trip.

If'n y'all are hungry, stop in and I'll fix up some possom stew or road kill soup. My possom stew is highly coveted among the locals.

Realistically, a good round trip might take you through Tennessee in one direction and through Ohio going back. Cleveland, my hometown, is a very nice city (though I suspect you'll be travelling along I-70 through Columbus and Indianapolis).

PS - if I happen to be around when you pass through, I'd be delighted to meet with you for a quick meal. I'm working kind of an odd swing shift schedule, so there is a chance that I'll be available if you choose to pass through the state.

[CyberDyneSystems]

Personally THomas,. am not worrying about the reduction in "crop factor" as it comes with the addition of real pixels. It will be interesting to see how it pans out,. but I'm betting an equivelent 1.6 crop taken from the center of the 1DMkII will be near equal to,. if not superiror to the 10D's image.

I realize the MkII does not have the pixel density to match the 10D pixel per pixel at 1.6X crop... but considering the original 1D @ 4.4 MP was able to yeild an image quality pretty much equal to the 10D .. I don't think I'm stretching things too much.

In essensce we will just have to crop more.

The T-Con advantage is another good point. You'll have AF with a 1.4X on your 400mm f/5.6 X1.3 = 728mm... plus the extra cropping leeway of the 8MP file..

As far as longer lenses...
You know what the Canon Options are;
500mm f/4
500mm f/4.5 "used"
600mm f/4
400mm f/2.8 with T-Con
400mm f/4 DO with T-con
300mm f/2.8 with 2X T-con

All of which are $4k or more with the exception of the 500mm f/4.5 which can be had for under $3K used.

Sigma? There are 5 options, some of which don't make uch sense.

500mm f/4.5
800mm f/5.6
300-800mm f/5.6 (yes it is huge and it is amazing!)
300mm f/2.8
120-300mm f/2.8

I would not bother with any of the 300's, Canon or otherwise,. yes you can double them with a T-con,. but that won't be much better than 400mm with a 1.4X in fact it would probably be worse and heavier.

The Canon 400mm f/4 is softer than the f/5.6 and costs 4 times as much.

Your most economical become used 500mm f/4.5s both Canon and Sigma ranging in price from $2K to $3K

[samdring]

Personally THomas,. am not worrying about the reduction in "crop factor" as it comes with the addition of real pixels. It will be interesting to see how it pans out,.

Cy Dy Sy is probably right but:

1. The psychology of not being able to fill frame with a subject is an issue
2. The added complication of composing for the crop itself would be too much for my skill level.

Spend some more money :(

[Phil Hall]

Tom

I have been using a 1D for a while and added a 1Ds a few months ago. The 100-400 L/IS is fine and I often use it with the 1.4X. Don Cohen uses the 600 mm L/IS and still adds the 1.4x.
http://www.dlcphotography.net/

I think you need IS with the longer lenses. The only concern I have is over the new digital lenses which may not be as sharp around the outer edges, which is going to be more important as the sensors move to full frame size, as in the IDs. You are also going to keep the lenses much longer than the camera bodies. It looks like camera bodies are outdated every 2 years.

[Canuck]

Thos,
You could get the monster 1200mmL lens :twisted: :D or more reasonably what about the 600mmL lens, or something in the 500mm ball park and 1.4x and/or 2x TC so long as you aren't bothered about loosing AF. Speaking of wild what about this combo...the 1200mm 2xTC on 10D which makes for 3840mm! How bout them apples? Id reccommend the Sigma 120-300 F2.8 lens and w/ a 2xTC you can get to 600 times crop on 10D gives you 960mm and on the 1D MarkII 780mm. Is that enough for you at F5.6? I am not sure about how good the Sigma TCs are but I should think you will be no worse for the wear, all TCs considered.

[Belmondo]

I've thought about the 1200, but Canon isn't selling them. Besides, the wife wouldn't be sympathetic to the idea of selling the house for the cash it would take to pay for one.

Also, there would be additional expenses, like a larger truck to haul it around in, the hernia surgery that would likely be necessary, and the picture-window sized filters. (not to mention the salary of a strong-bodied, weak-minded individual to carry the thing around for me).

I did see a used 600 in Palo Alto last week. I'm so proud of myself---I didn't even ask how much it was.

Thos.

[CoolToolGuy]

Also, there would be additional expenses, like a larger truck to haul it around in, the hernia surgery that would likely be necessary, and the picture-window sized filters. (not to mention the salary of a strong-bodied, weak-minded individual to carry the thing around for me).


Thos,

Weren't you working on something like this a week or so ago :?: I'm thinking here... lens falls from truck... helium rigs... pictures of a Mirage.... :? :) :D :lol:

I'm struggling with this as well, although I do not yet have an order in for a MKII. The 1.3 crop factor gives you back your wide angle lenses, but takes away your teles. But then, if I keep reading (here) about how great the MKII is gonna be, well you never know... :roll:

Have Fun
Rick 8)

[KennyG]

I switch betweeen a 10D and a 1D (same FOV as the MK-II) and the difference isn't worth worrying about.

It has not bothered me at all and it certainly doesn't drive me to buy a longer reach lens than those I currently use.

[Ferdinand]

You all miss the point here! Its not about the lens! :P

/walks over and shakes Bel's hand, congradulating him on getting the 1D Mark II :wink:

Regards,
Ferdinand

edit: p.s. my Faber-Castell 9200 is on order!

[Scottes]

You all miss the point here! Its not about the lens!

It's always about the Lens!

[Belmondo]

You all miss the point here! Its not about the lens! :P

/walks over and shakes Bel's hand, congradulating him on getting the 1D Mark II :wink:

Regards,
Ferdinand

edit: p.s. my Faber-Castell 9200 is on order!

Ferd:
It isn't here yet. Hold your congratulations for a while. You from the Bay Area?

[Ferdinand]

Roger that Bel! :) You from here too?

[defordphoto]

You've all missed it. At 8-plus megapixels and using the old lenses, if the photo doesn't fill the frame as desired, just crop the photo down to 7.5 megapixels. Or 7. Or yes, that lowly 6.5 megapixel range. ;)

At this point I have no plans to move to 500mm, but I never say never...

[Belmondo]

You've all missed it. At 8-plus megapixels and using the old lenses, if the photo doesn't fill the frame as desired, just crop the photo down to 7.5 megapixels. Or 7. Or yes, that lowly 6.5 megapixel range. ;)

At this point I have no plans to move to 500mm, but I never say never...

The thought had occurred to me. I'm really happier about the gains at the wide end than am I concerned about what I lose at the long end.

This is halfway to full frame, so I'm satisfied all the way around.

[defordphoto]

I agree Tom. I think it will be a nice compromise. Of course, I (we) can always have the D60 or 10D strapped to my back as I'm shooting and swap cameras on the fly too.

[CyberDyneSystems]

I'm thinking I may not use the 10D much...

On the other hand,. I have been to twitchy to have the 10D,as my only camera, in my car's trunk all the time. So there is a lot of time I am "without camera"

If I keep the 10D,. I think it,. and a 100-400mm or 50-500mm kept in the trunk may be a nice little "emergency long lens" I wonder if I could buy my 50-500mm back :)

[defordphoto]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure once I get my hands on the MKII that the 10D will not see much time in my hands again. The wife will take over the 10D duties and the D60 becomes Emergency Cam.

[drisley]

An absolute MUST have for the MKII will be the 50mm f1.8 MKII.

:)

[defordphoto]

An absolute MUST have for the MKII will be the 50mm f1.8 MKII.

:)

BTDT. Tried and tested on my two cams. Ready for some MKII service now.

When we getting these cameras again?

[MediaMagic]

Okay, this isn't an altogether serious question, but I am wondering about those of you who shoot a lot at 400mm (or longer). With your 10Ds and D60s, you getting the equivalent FOV of a 640mm lens. With the Mk II, that will drop to 520mm. Will that be a significant enough drop to cause you to go out and buy bigger glass?

If so, what are you thinking of?

Tom,

I would suggest a 50mm 1.8 with 7 stacked 1.4 converters. Of course, you'll have to build an adapter so the 1.8 will fit onto the converters. But, I think it's the only thing left you don't have! heh

[KennyG]

You've all missed it. At 8-plus megapixels and using the old lenses, if the photo doesn't fill the frame as desired, just crop the photo down to 7.5 megapixels. Or 7. Or yes, that lowly 6.5 megapixel range.

I agree. The big difference between my 10D and 1D is the greater freedom to crop with the larger image.

I can see me getting the MK-II in August. Darn it Canon, can't you leave me and my wallet alone!

[Belmondo]

But, I think it's the only thing left you don't have! heh


HAH!! There IS something I don't have, Mr. Smarty Pants......

Talent!!