Canon 1Ds Mark III mini Camera

[buffalophotographer]

http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/01/canon-readying-22-megapixel-mini-1ds-mark-ii/
http://theonlinephotographer.blogspot.com/2007/01/latest-from-rumor-mill.html

You guessed it, this here is nothing more than somewhat believable rumor mill (http://www.engadget.com/tag/rumors/) material, but it seems that Canon just might be readying a 22-megapixel beast of a digicam that would come in "around half the size of the firm's EOS-1DS Mark II (http://www.engadget.com/2004/09/23/first-look-at-canons-16-megapixel-eos-1ds-mark-ii/)." Unsurprisingly codenamed the 1DS Mark III, this DSLR is said to have been behind a few photo shoots seen in recent editions of Vanity Fair, and Canon (http://www.engadget.com/tag/canon/) is reportedly "hustling to make lenses that will work with what this body can resolve," not to mention the possibility of a "new mount for an entirely new lens design." While this certainly isn't the first big-name digicam to start in depths of shadows (http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/08/more-nikon-d80-dslr-deets-leaked/), we purportedly won't see it surface (or not) until this fall, as the elusive 1DS Mark III won't be shown to the public before the PhotoPlus Expo in October (if it's proven real at all).

[willg]

I personally don't mind a larger camera....I think I actually prefer it

[Billginthekeys]

umm..... why on earth would i want an SLR that small.... and i CERTAINLY dont want a new lens mount.

[delhi]

Half the size of the current 1Ds?! Wow.... that's like XT size!

[harryb49]

I think I will pass on the "smaller" format and new lens mount.

[ipacmm]

^ I agree.

[fstop11.net]

I want the current 1 series due to its size. If this ends up to be true I won't be buying Canons next 1 series

[Juan Zas]

Don´t be so desperate yet.... Rumors say that the size of the body it will be like a 5D or so, but a completely set of interchangeable new grips with all kind of gadgets is going to be released too (in this way you can spend more money in options): Extra batteries, Wi Fi, GPS, Remote communications; bla, bla ,bla. The final result it will be a good body size for you ....:cool:

[fstop11.net]

Its the solid look and feel that sells a 1 series to me though.

[atruesteelersfan]

Here is a leaked picture. Look at the features on it! WOW!
http://tech.china.com/zh_cn/digital/dc/1107/20060330/images/13207035_2006033011285835453300.jpg

[Billginthekeys]

if i never see that picture again itll be too soon..........

[cdesperado]

Craptastic... I thought this was a link to something new!

The "Annie" rumor seems to be spreading.

[ipacmm]

Its the solid look and feel that sells a 1 series to me though.


I agree, to me that is a major selling point on the 1-series, if not it could be any old canon with a grip...

[blackshadow]

I think Canon would be doing themselves a grave disservice (ie shooting themselves in the foot) if they introduced a mini 1 series with new lens mount etc...

1 - The feedback I hear from most 1D series users (and my own opinion) is that the size and solidity of the 1 series bodies is one of their main features

2 - The 1 series is aimed at the pro market, pros generally have made a huge investment in their EF lenses... to bring in a new lens system would only alienate Canon's customer base

3 - If EF lenses work well (and we all know they do) on film bodies surely they will have the required IQ to give excellent results on a 22MP sensor... does anyone beg to differ on this?

4 - from the sound of the lenses being suggested they would be bulkier and heavier than the current crop of EF lenses... which would make a smaller body 1 series camera even more incongruous.

This stuff has really set my bullsh*t detector off... I doubt I will be proved wrong.

[fstop11.net]

The problem is that people are saying that the cons of a 1 series is its weight. It really pisses me off because its that heavy for a reason and If it was halfed in size then the 1 series would loose its weight issue and gain another! Lets be honest, most pros (which the 1 series is) uses things like EF 400mm which will require a monopod anyway!

If Canon are listening. Introducing a removable grip Will 90% put me off a new 1 series. If it does I will go out and get a Mark IIN without worry.

[delhi]

huh? Don't forget lots of pros are also PJs. So running around with a lighter camera in the middle of a Baghdad d/t is not a bad idea. Anyhow, keep an open mind. The only thing that would be bad is a new mount. :(

[fstop11.net]

I have no intention to make a paps life easier. I cant stand them. The most comon kind are given fast as lightning lenses/1D mark IIs, D2X's and all they have to do is press a button. If the image is crap technically it will still make front page just so it sells a story. I do not class these people for any skill whats so ever. You do get the odd few that carry some class to their work and can capture good images so im not slating all 100% just 90!

Weight isnt an issue at all. Its the battery that causes most of this and if you had a batt half the size you would have to carry a spare anyway!! Pointless.

[joegolf68]

Are people saying if the exact same camera as the Mark II came out right now which weighed half as much, that is a negative? Maybe Canon should add weight to their lenses too, just pack some extra lead in there for those wanting more weight.

A new mount, now that will cause a stir. Usually at first hint of such new stuff, there is a negative reaction, and as time goes by, and people get their hands on one, the positives come out. We'll have to wait and see, but this is NOT what I've been waiting for. If this is to replace the Mark II N also, I will gladly buy the Mark II N used at that time. Overall, I guess I am like most others here, initially very disappointed. They are going to name this one the EdselCam?

[Billginthekeys]

okay guys i think you are taking this rumor a bit to seriously.... any fool can post whatever they want on ther site now days and start a stir.

[blackshadow]

huh? Don't forget lots of pros are also PJs. So running around with a lighter camera in the middle of a Baghdad d/t is not a bad idea. Anyhow, keep an open mind. The only thing that would be bad is a new mount. :(

Bear in mind the 2 most common lenses for PJs to have on their Canons are the 24-70L and the 70-200f2.8L IS. Both these lenses are pretty hefty and the 1 series body balances them far more than a lighter body... I know I have both a 20d and 1Dm2N and using the 1d2N is a far better balance even if it weighs in heavier. Also most PJs have a bag full of gear so an extra bit of weight in a camera body isn't going to bother them.

fstop11 - there is a big difference between a photo journalist and paparazzi! Please don't cofuse the two!

joegolf - I say that not having enough weight in a camera body is a negative, it helps to balance the lens, makes it easier to hold to get that shot!

[liquefied]

I'm guessing the whole "half-size" thing probably just means the camera will have a detachable grip.

[cdesperado]

There are a lot of pros out there who shoot without monopods and tripods - I know, because I am one of them. It may not be the most "manly" thing to admit, but speaking from my experiences, the weight of the 1D series absolutely becomes an issue when you carry your camera in a shooting position (arms bent, camera to the eye) for 8-12 hours at a time.

Speaking only for myself, I would be delighted if the 1D series has undergone a slight modification to the body to reduce weight. I know there are other people out there who are thinking the same thing.

I can't help but wonder if some "professionals" like the "big" camera because it stands out and has become a "mine is bigger than yours" kind of thing. Every hobbyist and serious amateur knows a 1D series when they see it.

(And please don't flame me for the thought - it's just an honest opinion.)

[Juan Zas]

According last news in Northlight web site, several dealers are running out of stocks/ or / offering the WFT-E1 wireless adapter with the purchase of the 1Ds MkII.

It will means a sign of a possible inclusion of the Wi-Fi in new model as they argue?

[ramirez.photo]

I think I will pass on the "smaller" format and new lens mount.

yupp

[blackshadow]

There are a lot of pros out there who shoot without monopods and tripods - I know, because I am one of them. It may not be the most "manly" thing to admit, but speaking from my experiences, the weight of the 1D series absolutely becomes an issue when you carry your camera in a shooting position (arms bent, camera to the eye) for 8-12 hours at a time.

How many people actually carry their camera in a shooting position for 8-12 hours a day? Not many in my guestimation/experience.

Of course weight does become a factor on extended shoots; I shot an event on Sunday that lasted 11 hours, I took 1700 photos of 19 bands over 5 stages with a 1dM2n and 70-200f2.8L on the front along with a pack full of my other gear it was heavy by the end of the day! The upside is that shooting with the 1dm2n instead of the much lighter 20d is that it is a much better balanced combo with the 70-200 (or 24-70) out the front which makes it steadier to hold and the results are less photos with camera shake.

[cdesperado]

How many people actually carry their camera in a shooting position for 8-12 hours a day? Not many in my guestimation/experience .

How many people... or how many professionals? I am referring only to professionals - someone whose job depends on steady, continuous shooting. Your experience at the concert is something similar to what many other professionals experience - long periods of time with the camera in the "up" (or shooting) position. Since the 1 series is intended primarily for professionals, it seems reasonable that their specific needs should be met with the product itself.

Imagine how much more tired your hands/wrists/arms would have been without giving your them a chance to rest!

[Longwatcher]

Well ignoring that the original source of this rumor has a high probability of being a troll (luckily know one I know on this forum)
Given the choice between the 1DsMkII and it's weight and the 10D with battery grip and it's weight with 2 batteries and a 10D without the grip. I will suffer the extra weight of the 1DsMkII because with the lens 28-70/2.8L or 28-70/2.8L IS or my 85/1.2L the camera rests in the shooting hand easily. With the lighter cameras the balance tends to be lens heavy which actually makes it harder to hold.

Of note I use a hand grip with mine (as I did with my 10D with grip) so that helps a lot with weight issues as well I have found.
However, I will say that my record is 3 hours straight (or close enough) with a 70-200/2.8L IS and a 550EX flash on my 1DsMkII before my elbow started to need a rest. I can't see needing longer then that without taking some kind of break anyway as other needs start intruding after about 3-4 hours (such as water input or output). And that tends to take the strain off the arm for awhile.

Just my experience,

[blackshadow]

How many people... or how many professionals? I am referring only to professionals - someone whose job depends on steady, continuous shooting. Your experience at the concert is something similar to what many other professionals experience - long periods of time with the camera in the "up" (or shooting) position. Since the 1 series is intended primarily for professionals, it seems reasonable that their specific needs should be met with the product itself.

Imagine how much more tired your hands/wrists/arms would have been without giving your them a chance to rest!

I agree it would be less tiring but the balance issue far outweighs (no pun intended) the weight as far as I'm concerned... there is far more strain on smaller wrist and hand muscles trying to hold a lighter body with a 70-200 lens out the front, over extended periods it's much easier to use the larger arm muscles to use a more balanced configuration of a 1dM2N body + 70-200.
You have made no mention of the whole balance of body/lens combination and this must have some consideration than just weight as you don't shoot without a lens on your camera!

[cdesperado]

...but the balance issue far outweighs (no pun intended) the weight as far as I'm concerned...

LOL... Dude... that was AWFUL. Awesome... but awful...


You have made no mention of the whole balance of body/lens combination and this must have some consideration than just weight as you don't shoot without a lens on your camera!

I've read a lot of comments about the body/lens balance thing, but I honestly don't really have strong feelings about it, one way or another. It might simply be that my personal style of shooting hasn't enabled me to notice it or it could be simply that my lens/camera combinations are such that I haven't noticed it being an issue.

I've used a lot of different cameras... back in the film days, the bigger lenses often far outweighed the camera body and I honestly never really thought much about it.

<shrug>
I realize that I am in the vocal minority here, but if Canon re-designed the the body of a 1 Series camera to reduce weight, I for one will be absolutely thrilled.

It's just my perspective, but if a new 1D series camera body gives me more resolution, faster write speeds, a bigger buffer, and better noise control... AND it weighs less... what is the downside?

That my camera body doesn't look dramatically different from those camera bodies in the 10 series? Why would I care?

The only horse I care about is the one I'm riding.

[manipula]

It's weird, it's personal isn't it? I have used 1 series stuff lots, as my close working colleague owns two, so when I bought my 5D six months ago I bought the grip, and it has never come off the camera. That said for more covert and long time frame usage of a camera I can see the appeal of a small unit. I'm considering something like a Voigtlander rangefinder so I can shoot in and around the city on my travels without standing out or feeling self conscious for instance. Or I may just dig the old FD gear out...

Personally, the biggest thing I'd like to see is a change of UI. I think in terms of ergonomics, the arangement using the dial and two wheels/series of buttons on the top plate of a 20/30/5D is FAR more intuitive to use than the 'hold two buttons down at once' system the 1 series cameras use. I appreciate the marketing need to 'seperate' the top end cameras in terms of as many things as possible for the halo effect but I think on this matter the lesser cameras are just plain easier to use.

[Billginthekeys]

[quote=manipula;2645148
Personally, the biggest thing I'd like to see is a change of UI. I think in terms of ergonomics, the arangement using the dial and two wheels/series of buttons on the top plate of a 20/30/5D is FAR more intuitive to use than the 'hold two buttons down at once' system the 1 series cameras use. I appreciate the marketing need to 'seperate' the top end cameras in terms of as many things as possible for the halo effect but I think on this matter the lesser cameras are just plain easier to use.[/quote]

well thats the system thats been in place since the 1series film bodies, and i doubt canon has plans to change it up much. It might seem like a pain, but once you get used to the interface i find it quite easy to navigate, and quite hard to screw up!

[manipula]

I don't have any difficulties using it as such, I've used them on and off for a few years now, I just think that they are more difficult to use for no real reason.

My T90's have the same system, and I absolutely adore them, but the system ala 20/30/5D's is just simpler. My two pence anyway...

[BradT0517]

So who all is tired of this Annie rumor.

[ptomsu]

umm..... why on earth would i want an SLR that small.... and i CERTAINLY dont want a new lens mount.

Since I do not own any C glass today, I actually would prefer a new lens mount in order to achieve better lenses with higher resolution.

Peter;)

[jsimon724]

"Better lenses with higher resolution" does not require a new lens mount. Personally, I think this whole thing about a new lens mount is a load of internet crap.

[Juan Zas]

"Better lenses with higher resolution" does not require a new lens mount. Personally, I think this whole thing about a new lens mount is a load of internet crap.

There are again rumors about a new beast, new mount lens & new glass.

Well I can believe them if Canon is going into the MF arena, for me then it has sense. Many rumors mixed up over there ...