New Leak Info (Still Rumor) - 1D Mk III

[cdesperado]

Keep in mind we are still in the realm of rumor here... but I found this on DPReview.

1. Someone reporting a price drop in Switzerland on the 1D MKIIn. He asked the clerk at the store about the price drop and was told they were making room for a new model that would be "released next month."

Item #1 interests me because by now, Canon would have to be preparing for distribution of new models that would be announced at PMA. Distribution plans would have to already exist and it's reasonable that some store personnel might have overhead something by now. So, this could be something or it could be nothing.

2. A man in Australia who "paid a deposit on the 1dmkIII and the computer system at my dealer had the item listed and accepted my order. He said the item was listed on his computer."

Item #2 could mean nothing and should not be considered rumor material... having an "item in the computer" simply means that someone created a product entry in their Point of Sale (PoS) system, which could have been done by anyone.



With all that said, I keep coming back to something: Canon has the largest floor space of any dealer at PMA. Having that much real estate means they must be planning to announce (or showcase) a lot of new items and/or that they need plenty of room for attendees to congregate.

I personally don't think they would get that much floor space to announce some new P&S systems, etc.

[fstop11.net]

They have alot of floor space yes I know but Canon also showcases alot of large format printers which take up a hell of a lot of room.

I have no doubt they are releasing a number of things but wherever Canon go they accumulate a large stand.

[cdesperado]

I hear what you're saying about the large printers and other equipment, but would that really explain why they need twice as much floorspace as anyone else?

I found a copy of the PMA floorplan from 2006 and Canon had a large space then too, but it doesn't appear to be as large as this years will be. Fuji's was almost as big as Canon's in 2006. It's hard to tell and maybe this is just wishful thinking on my part... but Canon is known primarily as a camera company and it makes sense that cameras would be something they would lead with, especially considering their anniversaries this year.

(20th anniversary of the introduction of the EOS system (1987))
(70th anniversery of the founding of the company now known as Canon (1937))

[Billginthekeys]

its been pretty well decided for a while now that any new announcements are likely to be made at PMA this year, so it all makes sence, we just have to wait it out.

[ScottE]

I hear what you're saying about the large printers and other equipment, but would that really explain why they need twice as much floorspace as anyone else?

They want to sell twice as much stuff as anyone else?

[harryb49]

Has the actual space reserved for this year increased over the space they used last year? That should indicate that they want a bigger presence and since there are a couple of special anniversaries this year (EOS system, etc) it stands to reason they want to make a big splash.

[cdesperado]

Harry, yes, according to the floorplans from 2006 and 2007, it appears Canon's space this year is bigger than last year's. In fact, Canon actually has two booth areas (one large one and one smaller one just across the pathway).

For comparison, in 2006, Fuji's space was nearly as large as Canon's and Nikon's was about 1/3rd the size. For 2007, Canon is by far the largest, but Fuji, Kodak, Nikon, Olympus, and Sony are about half the size of Canon and all of them are of practically equal size together.

[cdesperado]

Here are the floor plans from 2006 and 2007.

[Billginthekeys]

wow, canon's showfloor is going to be HUGE

[manipula]

Keep in mind we are still in the realm of rumor here... but I found this on DPReview.

1. Someone reporting a price drop in Switzerland on the 1D MKIIn. He asked the clerk at the store about the price drop and was told they were making room for a new model that would be "released next month."

Item #1 interests me because by now, Canon would have to be preparing for distribution of new models that would be announced at PMA. Distribution plans would have to already exist and it's reasonable that some store personnel might have overhead something by now. So, this could be something or it could be nothing.

2. A man in Australia who "paid a deposit on the 1dmkIII and the computer system at my dealer had the item listed and accepted my order. He said the item was listed on his computer."

Item #2 could mean nothing and should not be considered rumor material... having an "item in the computer" simply means that someone created a product entry in their Point of Sale (PoS) system, which could have been done by anyone.

Jessops (largest photo retailer in Europe) does not have the 40D or any new 1D stuff listed as a stock item on it's system as of today. To put that into perspective, the 50mm f/1.2 was on there a good two months before it went on sale, and I think before it hit European press anywhere.

I do not in any way doubt that it will happen, most likely at this PMA show, but just trying to put some perspective on the clutching at straws thing! :D

[cdesperado]

... and notice how Nikon is WAYyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy on the other side of this year... and as far away from Canon as they can possibly be. Not that that means anything, but it made me go "ha ha!"

LOL

[cdesperado]

...and I think before it hit European press anywhere.

That's the kicker... I wish we could find out for sure if they listed it before it was announced. Interesting.

[Juan Zas]

Jessops (largest photo retailer in Europe) does not have the 40D or any new 1D stuff listed as a stock item on it's system as of today. To put that into perspective, the 50mm f/1.2 was on there a good two months before it went on sale, and I think before it hit European press anywhere.

I do not in any way doubt that it will happen, most likely at this PMA show, but just trying to put some perspective on the clutching at straws thing! :D

Well, speaking about Dutch´s, there are at least three sites where the "advent" of the 40D &/or 1Ds MkIII is prepared in the Web Sites, last one in a well know Digital Magazine OnLine ... :cool:

[CarloTT]

Guys,

Retailers telling perspective customers of models which are 2 months away has a habit of stalling sales of existing models which they may still have on the shelves. This is not good for business.

If we are getting info from sources with non public disclosure information then thats another story..

C

[cdesperado]

Well, you're exactly right Carlo... a business person passing along information WOULD be bad for his business. Therefore, we must ask the question why would he tell someone something about an upcoming model?

Maybe he was a long-time customer and the retailer/ shopkeeper wanted to look out for him... who knows. Questioning his motives is too theoretical.

The important thing to note here - in terms of rumors - is that someone went to a store to buy a discounted camera, asked why it was being discounted, and was informed of a new model that would be released in a month.

Of course, this entire event may never have happened and someone just wanted to stir the pot... but I sure hope Canon comes through for us this time. (They let me down in August/September of 2006).

We have less than a month to wait. :-D

[Hellashot]

Here are the floor plans from 2006 and 2007.

Looks like Canon has room for goodies this year. They probably pay top dollar to be at the entrance. Has Canon been a sleeping giant ready to yawn and look for food? :)

[cdesperado]

I sure hope so.

And I think Noink is skured.... <(grin)>

[manipula]

Well, you're exactly right Carlo... a business person passing along information WOULD be bad for his business. Therefore, we must ask the question why would he tell someone something about an upcoming model?

Maybe he was a long-time customer and the retailer/ shopkeeper wanted to look out for him... who knows. Questioning his motives is too theoretical.

The important thing to note here - in terms of rumors - is that someone went to a store to buy a discounted camera, asked why it was being discounted, and was informed of a new model that would be released in a month.

Of course, this entire event may never have happened and someone just wanted to stir the pot... but I sure hope Canon comes through for us this time. (They let me down in August/September of 2006).

We have less than a month to wait. :-D

I can understand that viewpoint. However, as someone who has not a single good word to say about my current employer, and is working there purely to pay the mortgage and feed the bills into to my fledgling business, and as someone who firmly believes in the moto of 'treat as you wish to be treated (unless you're an idiot;) )' I can asure you that if I knew for definite via my contacts in the trade what Canon was doing, I'd tell my customers. My customers come back to me largely because of my honesty, I'm known for the line "don't buy XXX, we sell it, but it's ****"

Europe's largest photo retailer are definitely not telling their key staff and key stores (handful of 'World Camera Centres' out of over 300 stores now I think) anything about finalised new products from Canon. Or Nikon for that matter. And we do get told when new stuff is imminent, although the lead times vary I admit.


EDIT to add: If that sounds defensive in tone, as though I'm trying to hide news as a 'retailer' (spit) than I genuinely wish I did know something, I'm as eagre as anyone to know what they're up to... Wait to see what my beloved 5D's gonna be replaced with, and to see the latest drool-worthy items in the 1 range...

[cdesperado]

No, that didn't come across as defensive at all. Actually, I agree with you... I think most retailers would not have access to this type of information and those that did would be very careful about discussing it with employees and/or potential customers.

However, it is within the realm of possibility that information about distribution plans would have been discussed in certain circles.

Now we just have to wait for the leaks!

[manipula]

It's real easy to lose track of the real issues though. I bought a UK mag today 'Digital Photographer' which is IMO the only respectable UK mag left. Guy in there who's producing some of the best fashion/portraiture stuff I've seen in ages, on an older 1DS, so about the same pixel count as my 5 then... It's what you do with it that counts really, not whether it's the latest gear...

But that said I'm as geekily eagre as anyone else to see what new toys appear so... :oops:

[joegolf68]

Guys,

Retailers telling perspective customers of models which are 2 months away has a habit of stalling sales of existing models which they may still have on the shelves. This is not good for business.

If we are getting info from sources with non public disclosure information then thats another story..

C\

This is a rumor forum, we want info, I'm not sure the point of your post. I don't give a damn if Canon is selling now or not. Actually, if sales come to a crawl, that is a good thing for all of us, as prices and closeouts will dominate and we win that way too. What might be good for their business, is not what is always good for us.

I guess I don't see the point of your post, although I think it is accurate, if true.

[TTLImaging]

I hear what you're saying about the large printers and other equipment, but would that really explain why they need twice as much floorspace as anyone else?

twice as much space is only so much when you have 82% of the professional market share.

[cdesperado]

I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to say here. Is Canon one of the biggest companies? Absolutely. Would that fully explain the floorspace delta between last year and this year? No.

Last year there were several other companies with very large spaces... this year, Canon appears to be basically twice as big as even the largest companies. There is another thread of someone who found a Malaysian news release where a Canon exec has stated that they will be announcing at least 100 new products this year. This would include cameras, printers, camcorders, etc. (All product lines)

It appears that a big portion (even the majority) of those will be announced in March - that would explain the large floorspace.

[Alnitak]

I forget where or when it was (who can keep track???) but I distinctly remember reading somewhere that Canon was going to "revolutionize" the camera world this year. To me that implies something more than a tweak here or there. (if it was even for real, which is a giant "if")

[Juan Zas]

I forget where or when it was (who can keep track???) but I distinctly remember reading somewhere that Canon was going to "revolutionize" the camera world this year. To me that implies something more than a tweak here or there. (if it was even for real, which is a giant "if")

GO !! GO !! GO !! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[racketman]

maybe they have revamped all their A0 scanners and printers - they take up a lot of floor space?

[farrukh]

maybe they have revamped all their A0 scanners and printers - they take up a lot of floor space?

Good dissapointing point :cry:

[cdesperado]

Who cares if some of the floorspace is eaten with printers and silly marketing displays? It's the cameras we care about! (Well, ok, I may get interested in a new printer, maybe.)

Canon is a camera company celebrating two anniversaries this year... it would be stupid not to announce new bodies at PMA!

[harryb49]

They'd BETTER announce the camera I want or I will throw a temper tantrum!!!! (And then buy th 1D MKIIn.)

[cdesperado]

Lol I am definitely going to enter a state of serious depression if a new camera body isn't announced AND will be available within 30 days of the announcement.

Someone posted somewhere saying it might be May before the bodies will be available, which would be very disappointing. There was nothing definitive to substantiate that claim, obviously... but still...

[joegolf68]

They'd BETTER announce the camera I want or I will throw a temper tantrum!!!! (And then buy th 1D MKIIn.)

Ditto

[pcho]

Keep in mind we are still in the realm of rumor here... but I found this on DPReview.

2. A man in Australia who "paid a deposit on the 1dmkIII and the computer system at my dealer had the item listed and accepted my order. He said the item was listed on his computer."

Item #2 could mean nothing and should not be considered rumor material... having an "item in the computer" simply means that someone created a product entry in their Point of Sale (PoS) system, which could have been done by anyone.



Hi cdesperado,

I am the man you are taliking about. I returned a lens that I was not happy with and they were going to return me the money. I said I heard about the release of the new 1dmk2 and I wanted to use my credit for the deposit for the new camera. When he looked at his computer system, the 1dmk3 was listed on it. Sure you are right someone most probably created it on hear say, but what a coincidence.

I was also told by someone that the 2 new 1 series will be called 1d sport for the 1dmk2N replacement and 1d studio for the 1dsmkII replacement. Sounds logical to me.

Anyway I am number one on the list :) and I will wait even if it takes 4 months. I have sold my 1dmk2 in the mean time

Perry

[blackshadow]

Very interesting Perry... have they given you any indication of the date it will be shipped?

[Juan Zas]

I was also told by someone that the 2 new 1 series will be called 1d sport for the 1dmk2N replacement and 1d studio for the 1dsmkII replacement. Sounds logical to me.

Perry

There are rumors about this two different bodies from the begining:

1D Mk III -->> 12Mp x1.2, DIGIC III, 8,5fps, until raw 25 every, dust removal, grip ??? crisis possibility , the SD+CF and the Wifi. > 3000€ :p


1Ds Mk III -->> 22 Mp 13.300€ :evil:

[harryb49]

It will be interesting to see which crop factor comes out in the current 1D MKIIn. My vote goes for the 1.3 staying in the lineup.

[cdesperado]

Since I am hoping for a merger of the two 1D series, I am voting for Full Frame!

If they stay separate, I still hope both get FF.

[cdesperado]

And Howdy PCHO.. LOL... Small world.

Welcome to the best photography forum on the Net. :-)

[ipacmm]

I wouldn't mind 2 different 1-series like they have them now since it will make it easier if I want to shoot with my 70-200mm on a crop body and then switch to my 16-35mm on a FF body without having to change lenses.

[pcho]

And Howdy PCHO.. LOL... Small world.

Welcome to the best photography forum on the Net. :-)

Hi cdesperado,

Yes indeed it is a small world but I still can't wait for the arrival of the new camera:)

Perry

[joegolf68]

I've tried to order the 1D Sport, I was told to call back in two weeks and they might have it in the system then. :(

[Nortelbert]

Who cares if some of the floorspace is eaten with printers and silly marketing displays? It's the cameras we care about! (Well, ok, I may get interested in a new printer, maybe.)

Canon is a camera company celebrating two anniversaries this year... it would be stupid not to announce new bodies at PMA!

Actually... only a quarter of Canon's sales come from cameras (http://www.canon.com/ir/chart/03.html), they have a larger presence in the computer peripheral industry. To you they may be "The camera Company", to a lot of people they are a document imaging company. Those 6750 MFP printers aren't cheap and we just bought 50 of 'em at work. That's probably what a lot of the floor space is for.

Having said all that, I hope they introduce at least a 40D and 5D or whatever. :D

[Photo-John]

Harry, yes, according to the floorplans from 2006 and 2007, it appears Canon's space this year is bigger than last year's. In fact, Canon actually has two booth areas (one large one and one smaller one just across the pathway).

For comparison, in 2006, Fuji's space was nearly as large as Canon's and Nikon's was about 1/3rd the size. For 2007, Canon is by far the largest, but Fuji, Kodak, Nikon, Olympus, and Sony are about half the size of Canon and all of them are of practically equal size together.

Most of Canon's booth space is usually reserved for meeting rooms. I believe only about 1/3 of it is for actually showing the product to the show visitors. I won't speculate on what the new camera might be like. But I do expect a 1Ds replacement this year. It's due. Based on past PMA product announcements, we should hear something in about 2 weeks.

[delhi]

I heard that Canon is coming out with a new array of bubblejet ink cartridge designs. Maybe they need the space for that. Or setting up workshops on how to refill the cartridges. ;)

[TTLImaging]

Hi

2 new 1 series will be called 1d sport for the 1dmk2N replacement and 1d studio for the 1dsmkII replacement.

ditto
I have heard working (pre release) names were EOS 1SP and EOS 1ST. sp= Sport st=Studio. 22mp st and 16mp sp w/o crop. Figure in 1.3 crop factor for current size 1D chip and that is still almost 11 mp or it would be 12mp if you figured a 1.2 crop.

[TTLImaging]

grip ??? crisis possibility

back to an old post I wrote. old EOS 1 Series felt fine w or w/o grip. When booster was installed you couldn't tell it wasn't integral (very different setup than 10,20,30,5D). There are plenty of times I have wished for a digital set up as tight as that. It was so much less cumbersome.

[Photo-John]

If I had to make a request, I'd like smaller and lighter and I want them to bring back the 1/500th second flash sync. I have held on to my original 1D because of the fast flash sync. Well, that and the fact that a new one will cost me a lot of cash :rolleyes: :lol:

But I do use and love that fast flash sync! Maybe I'm the only one...

[Juan Zas]

From SportsShooters Web (http://www.sportsshooter.com/message_display.html?tid=23586):

Just at the final part:

->> New body and new long glass coming soon, announcement due on 24th feb, dealers in the UK have been told they will be told on the 23rd....

The new long lenses are rumored to have more/new contacts/connections which make them significantly quicker and they will also be lighter... the return of the 200mm is on the cards as well but maybe as a 200/2 not 200/1.8...

More firewood to the fire !! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[cdesperado]

... the 2 new 1 series will be called 1d sport for the 1dmk2N replacement and 1d studio for the 1dsmkII replacement. Sounds logical to me.

God, I hope they merged these two camera lines together. It's a pain in the asterisk (and walltet) to need two bodies for doing studio work (a primary and a backup) AND need two bodies for doing any type of field work that requires speedy shutters.

Augh.... Please, Canon, tell me you see the logic in having one high-end professional grade DSLR. (Or maybe their logic is, "HA HA!!! You buy four camera! HA HA Mo money for us!")

[terry44]

God, I hope they merged these two camera lines together. It's a pain in the asterisk (and walltet) to need two bodies for doing studio work (a primary and a backup) AND need two bodies for doing any type of field work that requires speedy shutters.

Augh.... Please, Canon, tell me you see the logic in having one high-end professional grade DSLR. (Or maybe their logic is, "HA HA!!! You buy four camera! HA HA Mo money for us!")

I'm totally with you on this. A fast 8fps 16MP body would be a godsend for me as I'd be able to shoot news and sport as well as high quality stock with just two bodies rather than at least three.

[MrChad]

From SportsShooters Web (http://www.sportsshooter.com/message_display.html?tid=23586):

Just at the final part:

->> New body and new long glass coming soon, announcement due on 24th feb, dealers in the UK have been told they will be told on the 23rd....

The new long lenses are rumored to have more/new contacts/connections which make them significantly quicker and they will also be lighter... the return of the 200mm is on the cards as well but maybe as a 200/2 not 200/1.8...

More firewood to the fire !! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

If Canon abandons the EF line or won't support the EF line in the future, ala FD from the past. I will not be happy, nor will I ever use a Canon system again. How fast can we I say Nikkor? I will not have a closet full of obsolete lenses again.

[terry44]

If Canon abandons the EF line or won't support the EF line in the future, ala FD from the past. I will not be happy, nor will I ever use a Canon system again. How fast can we I say Nikkor? I will not have a closet full of obsolete lenses again.

Surely the new lenses would be backward compatible?

[MrChad]

Surely the new lenses would be backward compatible?

They weren't when Eos replaced FD, now Nikon may have all these crazy lenses but any F-mount Nikkor will mount to any F-mount Nikon. Granted you may loose aperture or AF function on some bodies. But with a camera like the D200 or D2, every single Nikkor will still function, even circa 60's manual Nikkors.

If the current crop of EF lenses are slowly phased out and not supported on newer DSLR bodies I will not be a happy camper. If we develope a pro-line and non-proline DSLR lens systems I might as well switch to Nikon, Oly, or Pentax.

[terry44]

They weren't when Eos replaced FD, now Nikon may have all these crazy lenses but any F-mount Nikkor will mount to any F-mount Nikon. Granted you may loose aperture or AF function on some bodies. But with a camera like the D200 or D2, every single Nikkor will still function, even circa 60's manual Nikkors.


That was a much bigger change though going from manual to autofocus. But then Nikon managed it. When you consider the dominance of EOS with news and sports photographers they would be annoying a lot of people with tens of thousands of pounds worth of glass.

[cdesperado]

"Annoying" is an understatement. Although I wouldn't abandon Canon for Nikon, I would definitely not be happy. However, I think we are putting the cart before the horse here.

I am very confident Canon executives and marketing strategists are wise enough to realize that a new high-end body (or any body, for that matter) must work with the existing EOS lens line. It would definitely be corporate suicide to alienate the entire market audience for your "flagship" camera line.

Although I do think the EOS lens line will be "fully retired" someday, I think that day is a long ways out.

If the Canon executives are smart, they would simply create a body with a few extra contact points (or a slight re-wiring of the existing patterns) that would be used by the (rumored) EF-x lenses and "ignored" by the EF lenses or EF-S lenses. This approach would give consumers the ability to slowly integrate the new lens line into our existing EOS arsenal (as our current lenses get damaged, etc).

[Roytp]

Is it Canon's 20th Aniversary this year/

[Chandler.]

Is it Canon's 20th Aniversary this year/

Answer \/
(20th anniversary of the introduction of the EOS system (1987))
(70th anniversery of the founding of the company now known as Canon (1937))