Why's everyone so excited about the next 1DsMkII?

[BigBlueDodge]

I see alot of posts on here where everyone is getting excited to hear of the rumored 22mp 1DsMk11 successor. With the current 1DsMkII retailing for approximately $7K, the next camera will most like come out at the same price, or most likely, higher. While I would like to have a 22MP camera, I most certainly do not have $7K laying around to buy one. Even if I did, I still doubt I could spend that much on a camera.

If the rumors are true, I think it is great that Canon is releasing the camera. However, I along with most of the people on this forum, will never know how good it is, as it will be out of reach for 95% of the photographers out there. I think Canon is falling behind in the under $2000 pro-sumer lineup. Right now it only has the XTi, 30D which are both great cameras. Nikon has the D40, D50, D80, D200. For every 1 1DsMkII that Canon sells, I would bet 300-500 XTi's are sold. I would like to see more of Canon's R&D dollars get pushed into the under $2000 camera lineup, that is more within reach of the working man.

[cdesperado]

I think many of us here understand what you are saying... a camera that costs $7k or more is certainly expensive and yes, probably too expensive for most camera users. However, you are comparing apples to oranges.

The 1 series is not intended for hobbyists or even serious enthusiasts... it is intended purely for professionals whose business-related needs are quite different than those of someone who would purchase a camera in the 400D or 30D series.

Does Canon sell more of those camera bodies? Absolutely... but that is why they have differentiation in their product line. To meet the needs (and budget) of different target markets. The 30D/40D will likely be in the $2000 range and I think Canon has done an amazing job with that camera series. Those are great cameras - I've even seen a 13x19 print taken with a 10D that looked fantastic, even using a 10x magnifying loupe.

To answer your question (and speaking only for myself), I am primarily interested in the MkIII because I am hoping for more pixel resolution, lighter physical weight, faster write speeds, a bigger buffer, and even better noise reduction. I think it would be interesting to see a change in the AF points, but I doubt that will happen. My current camera bodies all work well, but they have been used heavily and are reaching End of Life.

[joegolf68]

To answer your question (and speaking only for myself), I am primarily interested in the MkIII because I am hoping for more pixel resolution, lighter physical weight, faster write speeds, a bigger buffer, and even better noise reduction.

Dittos. We are talking about the Mark II N replacement right? I think that is what the majority of the chatter is about, and it should sell in the mid $3K area, which is in range of many here. I am hoping to get one if they make some nice improvements.

[blackshadow]

Dittos. We are talking about the Mark II N replacement right? I think that is what the majority of the chatter is about, and it should sell in the mid $3K area, which is in range of many here. I am hoping to get one if they make some nice improvements.

The OP specified the 1Ds Mark II replacement... a very different camera to the 1dMarkIIN!

[cdifoto]

Most people yammering about new models of stuff they can't afford are just gearheads.

[cdesperado]

I think what the op was trying to say is that he wishes Canon had a more diverse product line targeted to a specific audience that is willing to spend $2k or so on a camera body. I can understand his point - I just don't think Canon has any reason to diversify their product line for hobbyists and enthusiasts more than it already is.

The next gen for the 1D line (meaning 1Ds MKII and 1D MKIIn) is anyone's guess. My personal opinion (hope) is that they merge the line, providing the power of the 1Ds with the speed of the MKIIn. That would mean the price would stay in the $7-8k range and would give us the best of both bodies (speed and resolution quality).

What I think will actually happen is that the 5D will be significantly upgraded and possibly split into two different bodies (similar to the 1D division today) and that the 1 series will remain divided for "speed shooters" and "high-end resolution shooters", just as it is today.

[Alnitak]

I can pretty much guarantee you that Canon already has a lot of R&D dollars committed to the under $2000 camera range, but the same kind of prejudice that states "$7000 is out of the range of 95% of photographers" could just as easily say that $2000 is out of the range of the "working man," just for a hobby camera.

To the OP, you are saying pointblank that you want Canon to spend more time and money on developing a camera in "your" price range. What you're basically saying is forget everybody else, pay attention to me. Meanwhile, there are a good many working men who couldn't pay 2 grand for a camera if their lives depended on it. In this regard, your argument is sort of self-deflating.

Obviously, everyone wants the best camera for the money they they can personally afford. The point you are perhaps glossing over is that better technology on the top models directly contributes to better technology on less-expensive models. When the 1Ds goes to 22mp (IF it does), the cameras down the line will also likely bump up a few mp's (eventually).

All of their cameras, top to bottom, will continue to get better, faster, and more packed with mp's, you can pretty much bet the farm on it. Many people are keenly interested in the new top models from Canon, because great new technology is really cool. I personally can't wait to see the Ds or D2N replacements. But it's also really interesting to see what the 30D replacement will be, or the 5D, or the xti, or the P&S lines. Just because everyone isn't going to run out and buy the newest upgrade doesn't mean they shouldn't display any interest, does it?

[fstop11.net]

Im just raving about the next sports man camera. as I want the current one.

[Monito]

The excitement about the top of the line is that it leads the way and points the way to technology and trends that tend to filter down. Further, geekiness and gadget infatuation are fun for their own sake. So even those who can't afford the top of the line can appreciate it in several ways. It is much the same as the car enthusiast, who has a stock base level Mustang because that's what they like among what they can afford, can read with interest and appreciation of the latest Ferrari.

[racketman]

The next gen for the 1D line (meaning 1Ds MKII and 1D MKIIn) is anyone's guess. My personal opinion (hope) is that they merge the line, providing the power of the 1Ds with the speed of the MKIIn. That would mean the price would stay in the $7-8k range and would give us the best of both bodies (speed and resolution quality).
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I hope they dont do that as it would be out of my price range for a weather sealed camera. I am hoping for a 1DMK3 with Digic III, less noise at higher ISO, LCD you can view in sunlight and in built wireless.

[cdesperado]

Ah.... weather sealing. That is definitely a recurring theme. I think that will remain something inherent in the 1D series for some time to come. It's a great non-technical feature that sets the 1D series apart from the rest. I hope the 5D next gen has weather sealing - a camera that costs that much definitely deserves it.

I just don't see them adding weather sealing to a $1500-$2000 camera, even though I think ALL of these cameras should have some level of weather sealing since we are talking about moisture-sensitive electrical components.

I am sure a lot of folks here would be thrilled if Canon added weather sealing to its entry level (400D) and hobbyist/enthusiast level (30D) cameras, but somehow I doubt that will ever happen. The 40D **might** could easily get it, but it would result in an increased cost so I wouldn't get my hopes up.

What would be REALLY cool is being able to custom-order a camera with the features and power that you want - similar to the way Dell lets you build a customized laptop.

[Longwatcher]

I am excited about the upgrade to the 1DsMkII because I want/need a second 1 series body, but my camera has some limitations that I hope are addressed by the upgrade. Some of the minor limitations have been addressed by the 1DM2N already so I expect them on the 1DsMkII upgrade
Those limitations are:
- FPS, I would really like 6-8FPS at 16.7+MP, for when I need the speed. I always need the quality which is why i don't have a 1DM2N.
- Dynamic Range - while the 1DsMkII exceeds almost all color film, I would like it to be able to provide the dynamic range of B+W film as well. I have reason to believe Canon can achieve this with the next upgrade (which I hope is announced in a month)
- I don't need a larger LCD ( I only use mine to change setting and a quick look at the histogram and obvious lighting oops. but one would be nice.
- 22-25MP which is basically the limit before noise limits the ISO range (although there is some evidence Canon may be able to exceed this due to noise reduction algorithms.

I have been patiently saving up my money so I could get the improved camera. At which point the 85/1.2L gets basically permanently mounted on my current 1DsMkII and the new camera handles the rest. The new camera I expect to be the last DSLR I buy in the next ten years unless I
A. Win the Lottery (big win).
B. Start making way more money then I have been so far from my photography.
C. Break one of the two cameras beyond repair and can afford a replacement.

So yes I am waiting excitedly for Canon to announce the replacement, have been since August of last year.

[cdesperado]

So yes I am waiting excitedly for Canon to announce the replacement, have been since August of last year.

Amen, brother.

[ssim]

Most people yammering about new models of stuff they can't afford are just gearheads.

This is true to a very large degree. I'm not saying this at any one particular person but so many of the people that come on here and say they need to have this next body, throw out alot of stats, really never make that purchase. It's kind of like waiting for the next high end BMW to come out, we like to talk about it but alot of people can't afford and just won't buy.

If the next body is 22mp it is going to have to have more than just more resolution in the body for me to buy. I already have the 1DsMKII and 5 mp at this level of camera isn't going to make that much difference unless you get up into very large prints. Web displays, 8X10's can all be done very nicely with what I have. Now if they come in with decently priced wi-fi and some other things I have on my hit list, I will buy.

[Juan Zas]

Some more rumors/info from Japaneses forums collected in Northlight (http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/Canon_1DS_MkIII.html)about the sensor size of the new bodies:

1Ds MkIII (22Mp) will be 20,67 Mp effective, to be released in May.
40 will be 10,32 Mp, little more than 400D.

[cdesperado]

I really, really, REALLY hope that there will not be another muli-month lag between the announcement and availability.

That would be horrible. I don't want to wait until May....

[harryb49]

I don't want to wait either. I have the cash in the bank and am just waiting for the PMA announcements. And if they don't announce an update to the 1D MKIIn then I will buy the current model. It has taken me several months of research, reviews, and reading forums like this to reach the decision to buy the 1D MKIIn, or its replacement, and now all I have to do is be a little more patient.

[Alnitak]

I'm very lucky in that I know I won't have the financial wherewithal to make a purchase until late June! If I had the money right now, I'd be pulling my hair out.

[BradT0517]

Im excited about it because I am a gear bum who likes to know everything about everything.

[NickSimcheck]

Most people yammering about new models of stuff they can't afford are just gearheads.

Yepper!

I'm looking forward to a 1Ds MKIII release so that I can pick up a used 1Ds MKII for cheap!

[cdesperado]

How much of a drop are you expecting?

[joegolf68]

How much of a drop are you expecting?


Hmmmm, we are talking used market?

Used or new, it will all depend on the price point of the new release, and how well it sells. Same price for the new one, popular...... well, used Mark II N now sells for about $2900, I'd expect it to drop to $2600 quickly, maybe less if the new one is a winner at the same price as current new Mark IIN ($3500 street.) But, all guesses, and this is the rumor Forum! :)

[BradT0517]

Its now to the point of asking which camera will tareq be the first to own.

[cdesperado]

Right... right. It's all theory at this point.

Still though... you were around when the previous 1D bodies were replaced and the price tended to stay pretty high for awhile. I figure the Mark II will drop $200-300 pretty quickly, then hover right around there for quite awhile... at least a year. The used ones will probably even be selling higher than they should be.

I think even the 5D (if it is replaced) will retain something not too far from it's current price for a good long while. It would probably drop a few hundred as well... but I don't think it would drop lower than the previous rebate offers for a long time.

[Rokkorfan]

I am excited because if the 1DIII and 1DsIII are attractive I will probably sell my current gear and get one of each as replacements. This will put me at the forefront of image quality and give me a competitive advantage in my market. I shoot weddings and am constantly being asked how many MP are the cameras I shoot with. Clients aren't impressed if I say 8.3MP and even 12.8MP is only a little more than many P&S cameras now. When I say 22MP, they will see more value having me than uncle fred with his new Xti.

It is bizarre just how many clients only see these things and don't look at the results first. I could shoot a better wedding than most folks with a D60, but it seems that more and more grooms are gearheads ;o)

[cdesperado]

I'm running into the same situation in my market lines - I've even had commercial clients who wanted shots created with the highest resolution cameras I own, even though the end product is going to be a 200x200 image on a website or a small portion (say, 2x3) of an overall larger print advertisement. I don't even bother with trying to explain why this would be overkill.

You did bring up a good point I have been chewing on though... as the P&S cameras advance, they are creeping up on the middle tier of the DSLR line (ie, the 30D).

[Blue S2]

There are soooo many people that would never buy a 1 series. Thousands of people caouldn't imagine spending that kind of money on a camera. Then again, there are thousands of people that $7,000 is pocket change. I'm not one of those...but I will consider upgrading for weather sealing, lightweight, and a reduced size. In the future...