Lee Filter System: Photos

[SYS]

Several of you have asked me to post some photos of the Lee filter system set up, so here they are:

1) The Wide Angle Ring Adapter...
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2) Close up...
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[SYS]

3) The Holder with the view of the spring-loaded brass clip...
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4) Close up with the view of filter slider... you just unscrew and eliminate the stacks if you wish...
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[SYS]

5) .9 GND Soft
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6) The backyard view from inside...
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[canonshooter4life]

How about some shots of it on the camera and some shots from the GND filter :)

[SYS]

7) Lee pouches for holder and filter. The bottom one has a business card showing that the set up came from Leefiltersusa.com in Hollywood, CA.
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8 ) The whole thing resting on microfiber soft cloth (oops, I forgot to include the screw driver...:D )
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[SYS]

How about some shots of it on the camera and some shots from the GND filter :)

Be patient, this is work in progress now...:D

[SYS]

9) The ring screwed to 10-22 SWA lens...
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10) The holder clipped onto the ring...
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[SYS]

11) From top...
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12) From back...
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[SYS]

13) Final look from front...and sideways to show that the ring rotates...
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14) Final look from rear...
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[SYS]

15) Lastly, I took the photo this way to show that I don't need to purchase a straight ND since I could fill the entire lens with the dark part of the filter...
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[inthedeck]

Nice thread...with lots of good pics. Thanks.

[SYS]

Lee Filter System

PROs:

You can rotate the holder.
You can unstack the slide compartments.
You can use more than one filter.
The 4x6 filter allows easier manuvering for composition and better handling.
Love the fact that I don't have to get a very expensive straight ND filter (that is, if my idea as shown on photo #15 works).
Looks cool. Doesn't look or feel as ackward as I had anticipated.

CONs:

The ring itself probably costed the manufacturer less than $2 to make. Charging the customers at nearly $60 for this little piece is a crime, I'd say.

The same goes for the holder. I'll just pretend that the golden screws are made of real gold just to make me feel better that I was stupid enough to go with the Lee holder and ring at those outrageously rip-off prices. Lee filters are probably another matter, though.

[canonshooter4life]

question how would you change the rig to fit a different size lens??

[SYS]

question how would you change the rig to fit a different size lens??

There are rings for different size lenses. I got the ring for 77mm because several of my lenses are of the same size. Whether there are adapters for the ring adapter, I do not know. Perhaps some other forum members know about this. I'm primarily planning on using the filter set up on my 10-22 so I didn't look into that issue.

[PZengel]

looks awesome..................any shots?

[SYS]

looks awesome..................any shots?

I've recently bought so many toys that I have no time for photography... :lol:

It's been freezing cold where I live right now, so any photos with the filter would have to wait a bit.... ;)

[jrader]

Dude, if you ever see this message, many thanks. It's so hard to find pictures of this setup online.

John

[blueM]

15) Lastly, I took the photo this way to show that I don't need to purchase a straight ND since I could fill the entire lens with the dark part of the filter...

This is a very useful comment. On the basis of this comment I have added Lee GND filters to my wish-list in place of the Hitech.

SYS, were you the one that was not happy with the Lee filter holder system - meaning the price was too high for what you get?

I recall somebody else had just the opposite impression.

Your comment, noted above, plus the comment I read on the higher quality of the Lee holder vs the Conkin holder, were the 2 most helpful comments I read after wading through 25 or more threads dating back over 18 months. Thanks

[Balliolman]

Very useful thread: thank you!

[argyle]

This is a very useful comment. On the basis of this comment I have added Lee GND filters to my wish-list in place of the Hitech.

SYS, were you the one that was not happy with the Lee filter holder system - meaning the price was too high for what you get?

I recall somebody else had just the opposite impression.

Your comment, noted above, plus the comment I read on the higher quality of the Lee holder vs the Conkin holder, were the 2 most helpful comments I read after wading through 25 or more threads dating back over 18 months. Thanks

The Lee holder isn't an exhorbitant item...about $10-$15 more expensive than the Cokin Z-Pro, and a much better design overall. Being an engineer, I'll take a spring-loaded locking clip over three tiny plastic pins any day of the week.

Here's a shot of the Lee holder, 2 Hitech GND's, and the Lee CPL mounted on a 5D/17-40L. Looks a little bulky with the CPL attached, but it really does the job:

http://northlake.smugmug.com/photos/247451733_wkyCd-L.jpg

[SYS]

SYS, were you the one that was not happy with the Lee filter holder system - meaning the price was too high for what you get?



Take a look at the very first photo that I posted on this topic on the first page, i.e., the round ring. As I stated there, it probably cost only about $2 to manufacture that thing. I don't think anyone in the right state of mind would find paying nearly $60 just for that ring and be truly happy about it. But, having said that, I knew what I was buying and for how much, and I'm happy with the products themselves in the end.... :D

[WaPat]

Argyle,

What is the method of attachment for a screw-on CPL with a Lee holder?

I don't recall threads on the front.

Apologies to SYS......not meaning to hijack your thread.

Pat

[Mike Bell]

Argyle,

What is the method of attachment for a screw-on CPL with a Lee holder?

I don't recall threads on the front.

Apologies to SYS......not meaning to hijack your thread.

Pat

Lee make a 105mm threaded ring that fits onto a Lee adaptor with the same gold screws you use for the slot guides. Then you screw on a 105mm CPL - either Lee or Heliopan.

[WaPat]

Thanks, Mike

Appreciate it.

Pat

[argyle]

Take a look at the very first photo that I posted on this topic on the first page, i.e., the round ring. As I stated there, it probably cost only about $2 to manufacture that thing. I don't think anyone in the right state of mind would find paying nearly $60 just for that ring and be truly happy about it. But, having said that, I knew what I was buying and for how much, and I'm happy with the products themselves in the end.... :D

Doesn't really matter...its like anything alse. If folks are willing to shell out the money for something, the price is what it is. If folks don't buy the item because its perceived to be overpriced, then the price will come down. Just basic economics at play.

[SYS]

Doesn't really matter...its like anything alse. If folks are willing to shell out the money for something, the price is what it is. If folks don't buy the item because its perceived to be overpriced, then the price will come down. Just basic economics at play.

When people buy something for the first time without ever handling the product in person, they really don't know what they're getting for their money. That's why product reviews are so helpful in this forum? Ultimately, I'm the one who decided to buy it at that price so I'll take the responsibility for my decision. But I thought people ought to know so they can make a better informed decision...

[joe445]

Thank you SYS for posting- very helpful!!!

[Mike Bell]

Just another pic showing a working Lee setup involving a screw-on CPL. The camera is a 350D and the lens a Canon EF-S 10-22.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/119/303609733_84e5de4f7d_o.jpg

I removed all but one of the filter slots then attached the Lee 105mm threaded ring - you can see the brass screw heads holding it. The Lee 105mm CPL screws on to that.

With only one filter slot vignetting only becomes a problem at 10-11mm.

Since upgrading to a 5D and 16-35 L lens I use the same setup and again vignetting only occurs at 16-17mm. With more slots there is significant vignetting. Don't you find that a problem, Argyle?

[argyle]

Just another pic showing a working Lee setup involving a screw-on CPL. The camera is a 350D and the lens a Canon EF-S 10-22.

I removed all but one of the filter slots then attached the Lee 105mm threaded ring - you can see the brass screw heads holding it. The Lee 105mm CPL screws on to that.

With only one filter slot vignetting only becomes a problem at 10-11mm.

Since upgrading to a 5D and 16-35 L lens I use the same setup and again vignetting only occurs at 16-17mm. With more slots there is significant vignetting. Don't you find that a problem, Argyle?

I tested the setup that I posted above. With two filter slots and the Lee CPL attached, I get heavy vignetting at 17mm. At 19mm, it was reduced quite a bit, and by 20-21mm the vignetting was totally gone.

[Medic85]

I'm glad I found this. I was about to buy a Conkin setup but if they are not as good, I'll spend a little more on the Lee setup.

[dtngo]

Pics are great for those of us who have never seen a setup in person before.

I'd love to get a Lee system, but geez you have to take a bit hit to the wallet!

[blueM]

Take a look at the very first photo that I posted on this topic on the first page, i.e., the round ring. As I stated there, it probably cost only about $2 to manufacture that thing.

I guess I didn't read your original post carefully enough. I was thinking you were referring to the filter holder, not the adapter ring. Now it makes sense. Thanks

[Double Negative]

Looks like good, quality stuff - as opposed to the plasticky Cokin setup... But $60 for an adapter ring? "Bite me" I say. ;)

[condyk]

Nice images that really 'tell the story' ... thanks a lot, tho' slightly p*ss** off 'cause i just bought a set of 3x ND's in anticipation of grabbing the holder and 77mm downstream!

[Jim G]

Excellent information for someone looking at the Cokin v. Lee systems - photos like this are hard to find. Thanks! (sorry to drag this out of the vault a bit but it's still relevant!)

[SYS]

Glad to be of assistance! :D

[mismis]

It would be possible to get cokin rings/holders, and mount lee filters on it right?

[mleone]

Am I really dumb holding the filter? I think it works wells.

[SYS]

It would be possible to get cokin rings/holders, and mount lee filters on it right?

It was pretty long ago, so I don't remember very well, but as far as I know they're not compatible. Otherwise, I'd have gone for the Cokin rings/holders and the Lee filters. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong about this.

[SYS]

Am I really dumb holding the filter? I think it works wells.

For a short-term use, that's a great method. For a long-term fussing and adjusting, no. Whatever works, I'm all for it!

[oaktree]

Great photos of the Lee GND set up. Will make it much easier for me to buy the proper stuff since I can now see them on the camera. Thanks!

[flybum]

SYS, I know you posted this a long time ago, but it was a God send today....I have been researching for weeks, this whole LEE thing and couldn't find photos of actual pieces anywhere. It was so confusing to try and get your head around.

This post has single handedly answered all of my questions about how it works. I will be purchasing the whole system as you have it today. Again, many thanks for taking the time. This is a must see for all newbies needing to gain an understanding of this kind of filter system!!! :D

[sando]

Why not just take 2 images and blend them later? Save a lot of money and hassle. :)

[Double Negative]

Why not just take 2 images and blend them later? Save a lot of money and hassle. :)

You could, but there are some downsides. One is the time to do it in Photoshop, another is if using HDR - it has a certain "look" that's not quite natural. Then there's the use of actual ND filters to blur water, a CPL to block glare, etc. It's actually easier and faster to do it all at once with some filters.

But I guess it really depends on how often you shoot this way as to whether or not it's worth it...

[sando]

You could, but there are some downsides. One is the time to do it in Photoshop, another is if using HDR - it has a certain "look" that's not quite natural. Then there's the use of actual ND filters to blur water, a CPL to block glare, etc. It's actually easier and faster to do it all at once with some filters.

But I guess it really depends on how often you shoot this way as to whether or not it's worth it...I agree that a CPL and ND filters effect can't be done in PP, but when it comes to GND, then just take 1 'normal' shot and then another underexposed shot, then in Ps just layer the images and use a layer mask to produce the effect you want, rather than being stuck with the either hard or soft graduation that a filter gives.

[Mike Bell]

I agree that a CPL and ND filters effect can't be done in PP, but when it comes to GND, then just take 1 'normal' shot and then another underexposed shot, then in Ps just layer the images and use a layer mask to produce the effect you want, rather than being stuck with the either hard or soft graduation that a filter gives.

I use ND grads but also resort to blended exposures like this, or blending two RAW conversions from the same exposure, when I have to. If anything moves between two different exposures (clouds and windblown trees or grasses are the main problem) you can have some problematical tidying-up to do. It is certainly more versatile than ND grads for unusually shaped horizon lines, valleys etc.

Best to learn lots of techniques IMHO! :)

[wimg]

It was pretty long ago, so I don't remember very well, but as far as I know they're not compatible. Otherwise, I'd have gone for the Cokin rings/holders and the Lee filters. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong about this.
They are compatible, provided you use the Cokin Z-Pro system, at least the 4" square and 4"X 6" rectangular filters are. I don't think the polarizer holder will fit, even though the slots are screw-on with brass bolts as well, on the Cokin.

Kind regards, Wim

[ben_r_]

Excellent thread! Thanks for posting all the pictures!

[gooble]

Is there any downside to using the 77mm WA ring on a telephoto lens.

I ask because I want to have the ring available to use with a 16-35 or 10-22 but also on other non-WA lenses with 77mm threads.

[wimg]

Is there any downside to using the 77mm WA ring on a telephoto lens.

I ask because I want to have the ring available to use with a 16-35 or 10-22 but also on other non-WA lenses with 77mm threads.
No. The WA ring was designed to make sure there is no vignetting on a WA lens, so it won't vignet on a tele either. Essentially, this ring is just wider and flatter than a "standard" ring.

Kind regards, Wim

[Mike Bell]

As Wim says you can use the WA ones on all focal lengths. The standard ones are a bit cheaper though.

[argyle]

The Lee WA adapter allows the filter holder to sit farther back on the lens barrel by about 2-4mm. You need to be careful when using zooms or telephotos that are 200mm and longer with GND filters due to the DOF blur that will occur. A hard gradient will appear to be very faint, much like what you'd see on a soft gradient filter; a soft gradient will really be difficult to see at these focal lengths. Combining that with the fact that your filter will now be almost 4mm closer to the lens will have more of a softening effect on the gradient. Just something to be aware of. To check your gradient placement, stop your lens down to the smallest aperture and press the DOF preview button.

[Hardcore]

What do you guys do for lens flare? Does your setup flare much without a hood? The lee wide angle hood is ridiculously expensive.

Also, I use HDR rather than filters because... well I don't have filters at this time and I would think the effect is similiar when done PROPERLY. Yes HDR can be overdone, but you have total control over preventing that.

I do know that while the lee filter setup looks nice, If and when I get a set of filters, I'm going to just use Marc Adamus' technique of hand holding the filters and gently moving them if required.

Great thread though.

[wimg]

What do you guys do for lens flare? Does your setup flare much without a hood? The lee wide angle hood is ridiculously expensive.

Also, I use HDR rather than filters because... well I don't have filters at this time and I would think the effect is similiar when done PROPERLY. Yes HDR can be overdone, but you have total control over preventing that.

I do know that while the lee filter setup looks nice, If and when I get a set of filters, I'm going to just use Marc Adamus' technique of hand holding the filters and gently moving them if required.

Great thread though.
Well, the effect is not similar, because HDR requires several exposures, and with filters you can do it all in one :D.

Flare depends a little on what you are shooting, but yes, you'd need a ridiculously expensive hood, preferably one that can be adjusted to the lens and shooting circumstances :D.

Kind regards, Wim

[argyle]

Well, the effect is not similar, because HDR requires several exposures, and with filters you can do it all in one :D.

Flare depends a little on what you are shooting, but yes, you'd need a ridiculously expensive hood, preferably one that can be adjusted to the lens and shooting circumstances :D.

Kind regards, Wim

There's also some risk in taking multiple exposures, depending on the conditions. For example, when shooting scenes with water, clouds, or foliage, you can almost be guaranteed some movement in the frame between exposures...makes it difficult to end up with a crisp image when converting to HDR, and requires a lot more manipulation/masking when blending. I'd much rather do it in one shot with a filter, bracketing to make sure I capture what I'm looking for.

FWIW, I have the Lee setup and do not use the Lee system hood. Have yet to have any problems or see a need for it...

[inthedeck]

Well, the effect is not similar, because HDR requires several exposures, and with filters you can do it all in one :D.
Kind regards, Wim

People with lots of time can do it on a machine. Life is going that way...sucks, but, it's true.

[bubba zanetti]

All very interesting...thank you all.

Ive just collected $400 in an photo competition so im ready to buy a Lee filter kit for my 30D & 10-22. Now im following the thread re WA77 adaptor & filters for the 10-22 but im getting stuck with the CP bit.

With the canon 10-22...the WA 77 adaptor & say a 0.9 soft grad (or similar) ...how do i add the CP ?

Do i buy a Lee square type CP & simply slide it into the lee holder next to the soft grad Lee filter or can i actually use my current round screw on Hoya CP on the front of the lens & then add the Lee filters ?

Tks

[wallybud]

IM unclear of the whole adding a CP to the holder I know you can and lee offers a CPL the goes IN FRONT of the filters...I think its like 200 or something and you need to buy the thing that attaches it also...I believe...

NO you dont buy the rectangular polarizer as that is a linear one and will not work right on your 30D...I believe it is for film only

Also argyle my lee setup is almost complete with exception to the polarizer by lee
...can I keep my screw on CPL - adjust that first - fit the lee holder on and adjust my GND filter after?

OR DOES THE LIGHT HAVE TO GO THOUGH THE POLARIZER FIRST TO BE EFFECTIVE?!

[wimg]

IM unclear of the whole adding a CP to the holder I know you can and lee offers a CPL the goes IN FRONT of the filters...I think its like 200 or something and you need to buy the thing that attaches it also...I believe...

NO you dont buy the rectangular polarizer as that is a linear one and will not work right on your 30D...I believe it is for film only

Also argyle my lee setup is almost complete with exception to the polarizer by lee
...can I keep my screw on CPL - adjust that first - fit the lee holder on and adjust my GND filter after?

OR DOES THE LIGHT HAVE TO GO THOUGH THE POLARIZER FIRST TO BE EFFECTIVE?!
No, it doesn't.

However polarizers normally come in a circular mount, including the Lee, which means it is probably best to mount it nearest the lens to decrease vignetting as much as possible.

Kind regards, Wim

[Mike Bell]

IM unclear of the whole adding a CP to the holder I know you can and lee offers a CPL the goes IN FRONT of the filters...I think its like 200 or something and you need to buy the thing that attaches it also...I believe...

NO you dont buy the rectangular polarizer as that is a linear one and will not work right on your 30D...I believe it is for film only

Also argyle my lee setup is almost complete with exception to the polarizer by lee
...can I keep my screw on CPL - adjust that first - fit the lee holder on and adjust my GND filter after?

OR DOES THE LIGHT HAVE TO GO THOUGH THE POLARIZER FIRST TO BE EFFECTIVE?!

No, it doesn't.

However polarizers normally come in a circular mount, including the Lee, which means it is probably best to mount it nearest the lens to decrease vignetting as much as possible.

Kind regards, Wim

Take a look at the pics in posts #20 and 28 of this thread to see how the Lee threaded 105mm CPL fits on the front of a Lee filter holder. To avoid serious vignetting with focal lengths wider than 12mm on a crop body (or 18mm full frame) you must use a WA adaptor and remove all the filter slots except one.

[GMCPhotographics]

I love the Lee system, I have several holders with different number of slots fitted.
Here's the maddest fo the sets that I have, this is their 130mm holder. I use this on my Sigma 12-24mm and Canon 5D:
http://i.pbase.com/o4/61/468061/1/91619683.CEZSEcSk.IMG_9964.jpg

http://i.pbase.com/o4/61/468061/1/91619703.xIgZZVHi.IMG_9973.jpg

http://i.pbase.com/o4/61/468061/1/91619700.Um3ciqo0.IMG_9972.jpg

http://i.pbase.com/o4/61/468061/1/91619711.FZBYbxeB.IMG_9977.jpg

http://i.pbase.com/o4/61/468061/1/91619705.KxF8R04q.IMG_9974.jpg

it's not ideal, but it works.

[wimg]

Take a look at the pics in posts #20 and 28 of this thread to see how the Lee threaded 105mm CPL fits on the front of a Lee filter holder. To avoid serious vignetting with focal lengths wider than 12mm on a crop body (or 18mm full frame) you must use a WA adaptor and remove all the filter slots except one.
Yep, I realize that, with the Lee. If it only fits to the front of the holder like that, personally I would never get a Lee polarizer, to be very honest. I would rather use a WA polarizer and fit the filter holder to that if the need would arise.

The Cokin polarizer fits into a slot on the holder, and is serrated to turn it. I think that is a better design when it comes to filter holders.

I guess all of these holders have their pros and cons :).

Kind regards, Wim

[GMCPhotographics]

One issue that I've found with this rig, is that the lens is so wide, it's effected by reflections from behind the camera. It's sounds crazy, but it's angle of view is so wide. the holder gets reflected in some images too. So I cut a set of black blinds that just slot in. Issue resolved, but i wouldn't want to use this in high wind!

http://i.pbase.com/o4/61/468061/1/91619687.tv75Cj9d.IMG_9966.jpg

http://i.pbase.com/o4/61/468061/1/91619713.YtpUIkDH.IMG_9978.jpg

http://i.pbase.com/o4/61/468061/1/91619717.Uf6cduZA.IMG_9981.jpg

To my knowledge, there are only 2 photographers that regularly use full frame filters with this lens. I'm one of them, is there any one else?

[GMCPhotographics]

Yep, I realize that, with the Lee. If it only fits to the front of the holder like that, personally I would never get a Lee polarizer, to be very honest. I would rather use a WA polarizer and fit the filter holder to that if the need would arise.

The Cokin polarizer fits into a slot on the holder, and is serrated to turn it. I think that is a better design when it comes to filter holders.

I guess all of these holders have their pros and cons :).

Kind regards, Wim

I use both a 77mm CPL and a Sigma 105mm CPL (fits the Lee holder very well). I also have a 105mm to 77mm/82mm adaptors, which is hard to source. but it allows vignette free CPL use to 16mm (one a 16-35 II L).
Lee also offers a square polariser for use in their regular holder.

[wimg]

I use both a 77mm CPL and a Sigma 105mm CPL (fits the Lee holder very well). I also have a 105mm to 77mm/82mm adaptors, which is hard to source. but it allows vignette free CPL use to 16mm (one a 16-35 II L).
Lee also offers a square polariser for use in their regular holder.
Thanks for that info, as I am still planning to add a 16-35 II one of these years :D.

Kind regards, Wim

[gooble]

Has anyone had trouble getting the screws to seat all the way when removing filter springs?

On mine only about two of the four screws will fit in all 8 of the nuts.

[GMCPhotographics]

Lee sell different length screws for different quanitiies of holder slots. Have a chat with your supplier and they can advise the right legths. If they can't, have a chat with Robert White in the UK. They really know their Lee range, better than any other supplier that I've used.

[wallybud]

I use both a 77mm CPL and a Sigma 105mm CPL (fits the Lee holder very well). I also have a 105mm to 77mm/82mm adaptors, which is hard to source. but it allows vignette free CPL use to 16mm (one a 16-35 II L).
Lee also offers a square polariser for use in their regular holder.

You can't use the rectangular polarizer...

[Mike Bell]

To my knowledge, there are only 2 photographers that regularly use full frame filters with this lens. I'm one of them, is there any one else?

Dimitri (a member here) has some contraption to hold Lee filters on his Sigma 12-24 on a 1Ds Mk 3. I've seen it in action .... but I can't see your pics Gareth .... just red Xs ...... :(

[condyk]

Dimitri (a member here) has some contraption to hold Lee filters on his Sigma 12-24 on a 1Ds Mk 3. I've seen it in action .... but I can't see your pics Gareth .... just red Xs ...... :(

Me neither ...

I think Dimitri has a hacked Cokin-X system, but not 100% sure :confused:

[GMCPhotographics]

Hmmm...Pbase crapping out again...I'll repost using flicr in a moment

[GMCPhotographics]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3097/2765214500_26a604e62e_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3288/2764368173_d1eab4c3d0_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3122/2765215240_5f361f5946_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3184/2765229282_3ea9e990e8_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3237/2765229168_d5ddcc4ef4_o.jpg

[GMCPhotographics]

Second batch:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3257/2764367617_602eb032e3_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3288/2764368173_d1eab4c3d0_o.jpg

hhttp://farm4.static.flickr.com/3202/2764368049_0806bbcca7_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3238/2764368397_41ef032c4a_o.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/23849425@N06/sets/72157606738842460/

[40Dude6aedyk]

You mean all these photos weren't already on the company's web site? Can I sell your photos to them? ;)

[wallybud]

Wow! Not sure if I missed it or not but what do you get out of this system compared to the 100mm filters, lee makes 130mm?

[GMCPhotographics]

Just a wider, longer filter.
They are made to custom order and are priced individually. I bought them so that i could use a 3 stop with my Sigma 12-24mm. It became a bit of an engineering obsession. They took about 3 weeks to arrive from the time of order and they don't sell them as multi-filter sets. Getting the holder to work took almost as long too. The holder is a donut holder, designed for their medium format range. The donut adapter ring was a custom unit too and took about 8 weeks to turn up.

[wallybud]

Sorry GMC but I have a tad bit of Jager in me and cant quite grasp....
wider longer filter? why all the work to use a 3 stop with your 12-24?

[GMCPhotographics]

Sorry GMC but I have a tad bit of Jager in me and cant quite grasp....
wider longer filter? why all the work to use a 3 stop with your 12-24?

Because it was a challenge and I was sick of hearing "It can't be done".
Why do we shoot? Why do we climb mountains? Because a challenge is there.
I'm wondering how long it'll be until someone rigs up a Nikkor 12-24mm is a simular fashion.

[wallybud]

OKkk point taken...what mm adapter is the sigma, cant you just get a lee foundation kit, an adapter ring, and a 4x6 3 stop and put them all together... what did all the work give you that a regular setup doesn't...ps I'm not knocking your setup I'm just curious =)

wait is it the vignetting your trying to over come...with the 130mm filter and the rig is needed to make it all work? Also why the piece of cardboard

[GMCPhotographics]

Hey, no probs mate.

The standard 100mm range are just a bit too narrow across to work with the 12-24mm. The edges of the filter are seen around the edges of the image.
The 130mm filters allow for more movement of the filter too. A standard holder, with 2 filter slots and a 100mm wide filter is good for about 14mm full frame. Those extra 2mm sure make a difference in real world use.
I could have used a standard holder, but lee don't do an 88mm adapter, it's too big for the standard holder, but I could have modified a standard holder. I put in an order for a std holder to Robert White, but this push on holder arrived instead. So I used that. The extra wings (to fit the 130mm filters) can fit to either holder.

OKkk point taken...what mm adapter is the sigma, cant you just get a lee foundation kit, an adapter ring, and a 4x6 3 stop and put them all together... what did all the work give you that a regular setup doesn't...ps I'm not knocking your setup I'm just curious =)

wait is it the vignetting your trying to over come...with the 130mm filter and the rig is needed to make it all work? Also why the piece of cardboard

[Mike Bell]

Thanks for the pics, Gareth. They show what can be done if you put your mind to it. :)

[condyk]

... show what can be done if you put your mind to it. :)

... or lose it :lol::lol: Just joking. That is pretty good.

[wallybud]

Ok well I've been out and about with my Lee foundation kit, Hoya CPL, and .9 GND Soft - and I can honestly say that unless I eventually drop the $$ on the Lee 105mm adapter and CPL then I might just stop bringing the holder with me on outings...

I remember slightly arguing with Argyle about holding the filters Vs. using the holder a whilllle back...and WoW I was wrong, I haven't even used the holder yet (I also haven't done exposures over 2 seconds yet) but yeah I compose adjust my CPL and just hold the filter right on the front...CPL does seem to scratch at the filter at all in fact the .9 seems very resistant to scratches...

I'll even to far enough to say that I'm pretty confident that I could hold two filters reversed in front of the lens too ;)

[jdizzle]

You really don't need that 105mm CPL. I would highly recommend the 4X4 CPL from Lee instead.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/216637-REG/LEE_Filters_PLCG_4x4_Circular_Polarizer_Glass.html

[jdizzle]

Hey, no probs mate.

The standard 100mm range are just a bit too narrow across to work with the 12-24mm. The edges of the filter are seen around the edges of the image.
The 130mm filters allow for more movement of the filter too. A standard holder, with 2 filter slots and a 100mm wide filter is good for about 14mm full frame. Those extra 2mm sure make a difference in real world use.
I could have used a standard holder, but lee don't do an 88mm adapter, it's too big for the standard holder, but I could have modified a standard holder. I put in an order for a std holder to Robert White, but this push on holder arrived instead. So I used that. The extra wings (to fit the 130mm filters) can fit to either holder.
Gareth. I really like that setup you got for the Sig 12-24. I know you posted pics of this setup but, where did you aquire the ring/adapter? Thanks!

[wallybud]

You really don't need that 105mm CPL. I would highly recommend the 4X4 CPL from Lee instead.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/216637-REG/LEE_Filters_PLCG_4x4_Circular_Polarizer_Glass.html

Is that the one that slides into a sot but also rotates in there or something?

[jdizzle]

Is that the one that slides into a sot but also rotates in there or something?
Yup! :) I also rotate it by hand first than place it into the holder.

[wallybud]

Yup! :) I also rotate it by hand first than place it into the holder.

I think maybe I could try it out at BH first, It sounds like it might annoy me...I kind of got use to snapping the whole system on and off today so Im on my way to GND heaven
Heres a couple I just put up

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=559331

[jdizzle]

It's not that bothersome to setup. Landscape photography takes some paitence so welcome to club! :) I'll post a pic of it when I get the chance.

Edit: I'm on a work PC so I can't really judge the colors of your photos. I'll look at them when I get home in the morning.

[wallybud]

I have all the patience in the world haha however light won't wait for you to assemble things ;)

[jdizzle]

Tru dat!:) That's why you get up early before the golden light. :)

[ben_r_]

I have all the patience in the world haha however light won't wait for you to assemble things ;)
Boy isnt that the truth! The sun waits for no one!

[futura]

Quick question regarding CPLs - it seems a few suppliers in the UK - studiokitdirect, Robert Whites sell B+W Kasemann CPL for the same price as the Lee. Does anyone have any experiences with the B+W CPL?

[wallybud]

Everyone loves the B+W CLP, there are a couple diff versions so be aware of which you are looking at

[Sfordphoto]

looking to get a GND setup

is this what i need

the holder:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=workaround.jsp&A=details&Q=&sku=87108&is=REG

the adapter:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=workaround.jsp&A=details&Q=&sku=87147&is=REG

edit: just found this...seems a lot cheaper and takes the place of both of the above, which sets off some warning bells as to how well it will work...
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/162544-REG/LEE_Filters_GS_Gel_Snap_4x4_Filter.html


i'm going with a 77mm, since most of my lenses are 77mm filter size

a couple quick questions...
so if i wanted to use the holder with say a 58mm lens, i would need a 58mm adapter? and i could just keep the same 4x4 holder and use it with the 58mm adapter?

what is the most basic GND filter to get that would go with this? a 0.6 hard edge GND? i heard from someone this would be most versatile. recommendations on brand are appreciated also. do i need to take any special considerations on using it with the 10-22mm lens that i have (since its so wide)?

thanks!

[jdizzle]

I really like the GND soft filters from Lee. It hasn't disappointed me yet. I'm not really sure of the gel snap filter tho. If you're going for the foundation kit get either the Lee 2 stop soft and 3 stop soft GND.

[Sfordphoto]

I really like the GND soft filters from Lee. It hasn't disappointed me yet. I'm not really sure of the gel snap filter tho. If you're going for the foundation kit get either the Lee 2 stop soft and 2 stop soft GND.

Thanks for the info. I don't know what I'm doing wrong, but I cannot find such Lee filters at B&H. Here is what my search came up with

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=search&A=search&Q=&ci=0&sb=bs,upper(ds)&sq=asc&sortDrop=Relevance&ac=&bsi=&bhs=t&shs=lee&ci=5038&at=Type_Neutral+Density&basicSubmit=Submit

[jdizzle]

Thanks for the info. I don't know what I'm doing wrong, but I cannot find such Lee filters at B&H. Here is what my search came up with

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=search&A=search&Q=&ci=0&sb=bs,upper(ds)&sq=asc&sortDrop=Relevance&ac=&bsi=&bhs=t&shs=lee&ci=5038&at=Type_Neutral+Density&basicSubmit=Submit
Np! :) I edited my error and I meant to type the 3 stop soft GND.:):oops:

[jdizzle]

I think this is what you are looking for. You can buy the soft and hard sets. Imo, they are totally worth it. If I were to pick one, I would go with the soft set or you can buy them individually.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/292653-REG/LEE_Filters_NDGSSET_Graduated_Neutral_Density_Soft .html

[Sfordphoto]

I think this is what you are looking for. You can buy the soft and hard sets. Imo, they are totally worth it. If I were to pick one, I would go with the soft set or you can buy them individually.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/292653-REG/LEE_Filters_NDGSSET_Graduated_Neutral_Density_Soft .html

alrighty, thanks for the advice!

[wallybud]

I wouldn't get the whole set...you can I mean I was about to but then I realized usually I need 2-3 stops and more to hold back a sky. If I were you id pick up a 3 stop soft and a 3 stop hard (Ive wished I had a 3 stop hard to go with my soft many times)

the 1stop soft and hard are more like for if you have to hold back a sky AND get a longer shutter on lets say a stream...then you can keep the 1stop upside down for the water and the 3 stop rightside up for the sky etc etc

just my opinion :)

[Sfordphoto]

yea the whole set is a bit expensive...thanks for the advice.

[Evangeline]

I know this is an old thread, but the pictures have cleared up so many questions. Thank you for posting them.

Question:
Instead of purchasing the 105mm CPL does anyone have any thoughts on the use of:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/216637-REG/LEE_Filters_PLCG_4x4_Circular_Polarizer_Glass.html

with it being a 4x4 doesn't that limit you to "turning" it only 1 of 4 directions if you are using it with other filters, ie: a grad filter. (am I visualizing that right?)

Thanks,
Evangeline

[GMCPhotographics]

The thing with a Lee system is to build it over a few years. It took me 3 years to build my Lee rig.
I used a 77mm CPL on my 17-40L with the Lee adaptor atached to the front of the filter. It worked OK for a while until i got a Sigma 105mm CPL (which was a bit cheaper than the Lee or Heliopan version).
The problem with the square CPL, is that it can't turn independantly of a ND grad. Which really limits the versatility and allows you to only use a ND grad or a CPL.

[tunin]

Sys, thank you for this thread, this is awsome. I know this was bumped a day or so ago and I am glad it was as I learned a few things and as others stated, it is hard to find photos (close up photos) of the Lee setup.

I vote for a new section for filters and this should be the first sticky. :-)

[SYS]

Sys, thank you for this thread, this is awsome. I know this was bumped a day or so ago and I am glad it was as I learned a few things and as others stated, it is hard to find photos (close up photos) of the Lee setup.

I vote for a new section for filters and this should be the first sticky. :-)

You're welcome! It's great that the photos are helpful... :D

[tomtomtom]

Very informative thread!

I too am looking to buy into the Lee system. I shoot Pentacon Six mount medium format lenses with lens sizes 58mm, 67mm and 86mm. However, because the Lee adaptor rings are so ridiculously expensive, I'll just get the 86mm wide-angle adaptor ring and get step-ups for the smaller sizes (58-67 and 67-86). This should work just fine.

In addition to these I'll get the Lee Upgrade Kit (http://robertwhite.co.uk/product.asp?P_ID=1379&PT_ID=501), which includes a filter holder and a tandem adaptor. On top of this I will mount the Lee Universal Lens Hood (http://robertwhite.co.uk/product.asp?P_ID=1392&PT_ID=501) with a filter holder attached. The reason for the two filter holders is that with them (in conjunction with the tandem adaptor) I can independently rotate a GND and a CPL.

These are the filters I plan on getting:
Formatt UV 2b (4x4)
Formatt Circular Polarizer (4x4)
Formatt Grad ND 3 Piece Kit (4x5)
Formatt B&W 4 Piece Kit (4x4)

I'll buy them all from: http://www.formatt.co.uk, because they have very reasonable prices compared to Lee, B+W etc.

My question to you who already have the Lee system is: can you rotate the 105mm screw-on CPL and a 4x5 GND independently?

[SYS]

My question to you who already have the Lee system is: can you rotate the 105mm screw-on CPL and a 4x5 GND independently?

You can't manipulate both independently. You can, however, screw-on your CPL and adjust it to your liking, and then place the GND holder to manipulate the latter only. In other words, you can use both, but you can't adjust the screw-on CPL after you've placed the GND holder on top of it.

[crossmax03]

SYS,

your images are GREAT for newbies into the filters setups!

One funny thing I noticed was in steps 13 and 14 your filters turn 90 degrees on the camera ... i thought that was kinda funny ... any reason you showed it differently between front and back ? LOL

[SYS]

SYS,

your images are GREAT for newbies into the filters setups!

One funny thing I noticed was in steps 13 and 14 your filters turn 90 degrees on the camera ... i thought that was kinda funny ... any reason you showed it differently between front and back ? LOL

No other reason than the fact that you can rotate for different shooting purposes. I'm glad you like the images that I posted, but I don't get the amusing part... :)

[crossmax03]

No other reason than the fact that you can rotate for different shooting purposes. I'm glad you like the images that I posted, but I don't get the amusing part... :)


ehh i don't know what's amusing i'm just easily amused sometimes.

[bryanbrazil]

I see that this setup vignettes on a 5D with the 16-35mm between 16-17mm. Has anyone tried this on the new 16-35mm II, with it larger filter size (82mm)? I'm wondering if it wouldn't vignette on the new 16-35mm, especially when using a slim CPL.

What I really want to do is use the Lee Professional Kit (two independently rotating holders) on a 5D with the 16-35mm II. Each of the filter holders would only have one filter slot. Has anyone tried this? How bad does it vignette, if at all?

Thanks!!! :D


Just another pic showing a working Lee setup involving a screw-on CPL. The camera is a 350D and the lens a Canon EF-S 10-22.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/119/303609733_84e5de4f7d_o.jpg

I removed all but one of the filter slots then attached the Lee 105mm threaded ring - you can see the brass screw heads holding it. The Lee 105mm CPL screws on to that.

With only one filter slot vignetting only becomes a problem at 10-11mm.

Since upgrading to a 5D and 16-35 L lens I use the same setup and again vignetting only occurs at 16-17mm. With more slots there is significant vignetting. Don't you find that a problem, Argyle?

[kasey]

Always wondered why the lee system is so expensive. The ring and holder looks cheap to me. I got a kenko version at a fifth of the price. The filter itself is from lee though.

[jdizzle]

Always wondered why the lee system is so expensive. The ring and holder looks cheap to me. I got a kenko version at a fifth of the price. The filter itself is from lee though.
You obviously haven't used the Lee system. You might have saved a 1/5 in cost but, the Lee filter is the best quality product hands down. Going the cheaper route doesn't always means it's better. :)

[JimKarczewski]

Many thanks to the OP for the photos. Have been going crazy with these filters lately, none of the vendors I normally use (B&H, Adorama, Calumet) show photos so some things I was CLULESS about!

Thread actually saved me $$$$! I have the Cokin Z holder and was going to purchase the Cokin Z CP for $300. However, NOBODY had them in stock! Guess Cokin manufactures in Europe and they shut down the month of August, so if you don't get one while in stock, you're screwed. B&H just got them in today, but before that I found this thread and decided on the 105mm B+W Circular polarizer which was $80 cheaper at B&H. Now I just need to find someone that has the 105mm adapter ring in stock, or someone with an old busted 105mm filter I can take the ring from and make my own front adapter for the Z holder. Calumet makes one, out of stock. B&H - Lee out of stock and I don't want to buy a complete new holder for $140 that has the 105mm ring. Adorama also out. If I don't find one in a week (I leave for Utah for 2 weeks of shooting) I'll figure something out myself.

ETA- With my luck, they won't be in stock till I get back so I also bought a $20 95-105mm adapter ring. So that way I can make something that fits the filter and destroy a cheap adapter ring to make what I need.