40D specs in belgium site

[Juan Zas]

10.1 MP CMOS sensor
5fps, 30 JPEG image burst
Integrated Cleaning System
2.5 Inch LCD with 230K pixels and 160º viewing angle
Picture Style image processing
Spot metering & 9-point AF
DIGIC II processor with 0.2 sec start up
Digital Photo Professional software
Magnesium alloy body
Compatible with all EF/EF-S lenses and EX Speedlite flashes
Including powerpack and accessories
English or German manual
ConnectivityLook to the whole article at:

http://www.geheugenkaart.be/english/store/viewitem.asp?idproduct=8981440


Price : 1698€ -->> $2200 :evil: :evil: :evil:

[JuStDaVe]

surprised with the dig II not III

[joegolf68]

Ho-hum, I don't buy it, this would be the Canon 31D or 30D N, not much of an upgrade imo.

[tiha]

Disappointed! It's 30D with 10Mp sensor and dust cleaning system :evil: .

[farrukh]

Seems they just guessed the specs .

[joegolf68]

Seems they just guessed the specs .

I am betting those specs are totally wrong!

[LAvision]

I would be very disappointed if that were true. It better have DIGIC 3 or I guess Im going with a 30D.

[ryleung]

Hmm... if that's all there is on the 40D, why should I choose it over the 30D or even the 400D?

-Lik

[mike_digital]

if those specs for the 40d are the deal......then.....the only reason for canon to release the 40d is to push the sales of the 400d ! dont you think ? this is a very "intelligent" new marketing strategy from canon !!
so, i also was waiting for the 40d (i have a 20d in the moment) and now i'll buy a 400d with pleasure and NOT a 40d. congrats to the canon marketing managers....

[EOS Man]

10.1 MP CMOS sensor
5fps, 30 JPEG image burst
Integrated Cleaning System
2.5 Inch LCD with 230K pixels and 160º viewing angle
Picture Style image processing
Spot metering & 9-point AF
DIGIC II processor with 0.2 sec start up
Digital Photo Professional software
Magnesium alloy body
Compatible with all EF/EF-S lenses and EX Speedlite flashes
Including powerpack and accessories
English or German manual
ConnectivityLook to the whole article at:

http://www.geheugenkaart.be/english/store/viewitem.asp?idproduct=8981440


Price : 1698€ -->> $2200 :evil: :evil: :evil:

If the 30D was more like a 25D, then this is what the 30D should have been!

[Tom W]

I am betting those specs are totally wrong!

Me too! Looks like a placeholder on their web site until the real specs are released. Rumors (as accurate as they are :) ) put it with Digic III, and 11 AF points. I don't doubt that it'll be over 10 mpx and have a self-cleaning sensor though.

[JohnnyG]

I don't believe those specs are accurate. If they were, I probably wouldn't buy it and just go with the 30D or maybe some new glass. My 20D still works.

I hope it's somewhat better!

[basroil]

"
5 fps shooting
The camera delivers fast 5 fps shooting for continuous bursts of up to 30 large JPEG images (11 in RAW). A new 3 fps shooting mode provides greater control for variable-speed sequences. "

this is a fake posting... sorry to say that... from the looks of it, they copied an old 30d ad and added 10.1mp and cleaning system

[sblais]

Take my word for it: the 40D WILL HAVE Digic III. It would be nonsense to give it Digic II, esp. that the technology is already developed. I mean, the SD40, SD800IS, SD900 and G7 all have it. Why wouldn't Canon put it in its DSLR cameras as soon as possible?

[jandk1]

What exactly will be the advantage to the DIGICIII? Better IQ? Faster? All of the above? I think I will stick with the 30D.

[Juan Zas]

Let´s wait and see what happens, but I have to admit that these specs left on me the same feeling than the 30D ones left when they did appeared.

The 30D was a "little improvement" over the 20D and these ones of the 40D also looks like "another little improvement" over the 30D. And of course, the possible price doesn´t justify the inversion !!!

If this is true at the end, I shall look in another direction ...

BTW. This same site has prepared space in their web site for a "new" 100-400 f/4 L IS for around 1.995€ -->> $2.595

[sblais]

What exactly will be the advantage to the DIGICIII? Better IQ? Faster? All of the above? I think I will stick with the 30D.

From Canon's web site:
"The DIGIC III Image Processor is the latest advancement to Canon's proprietary DIGIC technology, delivering superior image quality, ultra-responsive performance and extended battery life."

So yeah, all of the above and low power consumption. I'm not sure how that will translate into improved performance of the 40D vs the 30D though. But one thing I'm sure is that the 40D will have Digic III. It would be ridiculous otherwise.

[lostdoggy]

With Nikon currently out specing 30D Canon can't release a half fast camera like that. At the very least it would need to have 5fps 40jpg and 30 RAW and some weather sealing.

[theflyingkiwi]

With Nikon currently out specing 30D Canon can't release a half fast camera like that. At the very least it would need to have 5fps 40jpg and 30 RAW and some weather sealing.

I would like to think so too. However I got this feeling that we are going to be disappointed again by canon.

[Juan Zas]

Some rumor specs of last minute:

- 3" LCD

[sblais]

Some rumor specs of last minute:

- 3" LCD

That's sweet for chimping! But there are better parameters to improve on than the LCD size IMHO...

[Balliolman]

No FF? Several sources I have read have speculated the 40D would have that ... :confused:

[JBF]

Digital Camera Magazine just reported the 40D being on a site in the Netherlands for a few days. They have a screen shot of it in the new magazine. They are predicting 10 megapixels and full frame at 5 FPS. With the anti dust feature......now that would be sweet.

[Juan Zas]

No FF? Several sources I have read have speculated the 40D would have that ... :confused:

No, sorry.

FF sensor is reserved only for 5D & 1Ds body cameras for the moment.

Last rumors confirm & point it out again about imminent launch of 40D (x1,6 crop) & 1D MkIII (x1,3 crop), the 1DsMkIII with FF at 22 Mp to Fall´07; and next year to renew the 5D line.

Again, nothing Official, just rumors...

[Juan Zas]

Digital Camera Magazine just reported the 40D being on a site in the Netherlands for a few days. They have a screen shot of it in the new magazine. They are predicting 10 megapixels and full frame at 5 FPS. With the anti dust feature......now that would be sweet.

It would be wishable,... but kill the 5D market (FF sensors) where Canon has not competence in this moment looks a little silly, but ...... Canon has also announce their intention to improve the market with FF sensors in the body. As far as I remember, they have the concept to provide FF sensors for all the Pro line bodies and cropped sensors for the consumer line. And I am afraid, the 40D belongs to this last category.

The beast is to kill the D200 penetration and renew the old MkII for journalist & people in general, making a "low Pro entry" to kill the D200 penetration.

[GeForceFX]

99.99% change that the 40D and 50D will be 1.6x crop

these 40D specs are indeed disappointing, but the owner of that online shop is also active on a dutch forum, and there he told about the 30D, 350D and 400D before official anounced, and he always was right about the specs ...

[jandk1]

I agree that I do not think the 40D will be full frame, but I have to agree with Sblais that it should at least have the DIGICIII. How about a 48mm 39MP like the new Hassleblad?? :) :)

[Hellashot]

What exactly will be the advantage to the DIGICIII? Better IQ? Faster? All of the above? I think I will stick with the 30D.

All DIGIC 3 is, is faster processor. Which would allow for more in-camera processing but Digic 3 iteself is not a data process, it's simply a CPU.

[delhi]

maybe the digicIII is a dual core too. ;)

[jaybird]

Personally, it seems silly for Canon to launch a new "40D" at 10.1mp and anti-dust features. That will just make it a slightly better XTi, and only on par with the Nikon D80. Why should we Canon people settle for second best, or just as good?

If they come out with something with a better resolution, or some other advanced and desirable feature, they can retain a lot of brand loyalty and retake market share.

It probably won't be FF, but it is possible to push 12mp, which would make it a desirable upgrade for 20/30D and D-Rebel owners. But 10.1mp won't make people jump from their 20/30Ds to buy the new camera.

[delhi]

but it has that wheelie thingy that people rave about.... ;)

[sblais]

All DIGIC 3 is, is faster processor. Which would allow for more in-camera processing but Digic 3 iteself is not a data process, it's simply a CPU.

maybe the digicIII is a dual core too. ;)

I have to disagree with you both! I think it's far more realistic that the Digic chips are ASICs (Application Specific Integrated Circuits). They should process the information in parallel (vs a CPU who does so sequentially) and offer very high precision and low noise inputs for the CMOS (or CCD). Even a dual core CPU is not as parallel as the least parallel ASIC design (whether they use a pipeline or parallel architecture, etc). So my guess is that the Digic III has better inputs, analog-to-digital converters, is faster than the Digic II, consumes less power and has a better algorithm for doing its thing (processing images!). The result: extended battery life, more fps, better ISO performance, etc.

[fi20100]

Personally, it seems silly for Canon to launch a new "40D" at 10.1mp and anti-dust features. That will just make it a slightly better XTi, and only on par with the Nikon D80. Why should we Canon people settle for second best, or just as good?

If they come out with something with a better resolution, or some other advanced and desirable feature, they can retain a lot of brand loyalty and retake market share.

It probably won't be FF, but it is possible to push 12mp, which would make it a desirable upgrade for 20/30D and D-Rebel owners. But 10.1mp won't make people jump from their 20/30Ds to buy the new camera.

It's not all about MP! That's how they sell P&S cameras ;)

[jaybird]

Very true that it's not all about mp, but an increase from 8 to 12mp would be very tempting.

I thought they sold P&S cameras with 10x vs 20x vs whatever-X. Those things freak me out. They keep cramming high resolution on a sensor the size of my fingernail and the lens desinations make no sense. If you look at the front of the lenses you'll see things like 7mm - 49.5mm. 49.5mm? But when you think about the crop on the sensor you end up with around 400mm of zoom. Forget about old analogies, this one should be modernized to: How many angels can dance of the surface area of your CCD?

[Glenn NK]

When it comes to the "40D" specs, we're all guessing aren't we?

On another site, the same specs were published from a "different" source; and someone pouted that the "40D" should have 12 or 16 MP or more, be FF, have an 8 fps rate, etc.

I suggested that they could already buy that camera - it just costs around $7,000 US or so, and has a different number.

I also suggested that to achieve these kind of specs, one might also expect the price tag to match the 1Ds MkII.

[JohnnyG]

I get an e-mail update weekly from Popular Photography and todays update is talking about Nikon and Samsung's new models. But, the interesting thing is a note on the first page that says:
"Pre PMA: Check back tonight for more camera announcements."

Hmmmmmmm. Wonder what that means???

You know I will be watching their web-cite tonight!

[Faithless]

^pentax

[TNrick]

I have been watching these threads and links over the last few weeks and one thing is fast becoming evident...Canon better have something special to bring to the dance as it's looking more and more like the competition is loaded for bear…

[Juan Zas]

I have to say that this belgium site has removed the link to the 40D, now it shows the ISUS 75.

This smelts no good, I think the 40D is going to be delayed once more ...

[ramirez.photo]

I am betting those specs are totally wrong!
Agreed

[Chris L]

Me too! Looks like a placeholder on their web site until the real specs are released. Rumors (as accurate as they are :) ) put it with Digic III, and 11 AF points. I don't doubt that it'll be over 10 mpx and have a self-cleaning sensor though.

I agree these "specs" don't look anything liek genuine. I can't imagine why they'd incorporate the Digic III into it's latest P&S and Pro spec cameras and then use the Digic II in the Prosumer range:rolleyes:

Out of interest what would you expect the layout of an 11 pt. AF system to look like? I can visualise a 13 pt for example but not sure how they'd incorporate the 2 extra pts into the current diamond shape. Would it be a 3 x 3 grid with one single point at the far right/left or top and bottom or something else?

[Glenn NK]

Logically Canon will introduce replacement models for the oldest cameras first.

They certainly aren't going to announce several models at once (poor marketing strategy).

One of the oldest current cams (1Ds Mark II) is a 16.6 MP camera - it holds its own with the best - a replacement is not really necessary.

Then comes the 1D Mark II and the 5D, announced 22 August 05; the 1D Mark III has been just annouced; this leaves the 5D next.

The 30D was announced 21 February 2006 - it's one of the newer ones. Perhaps we should not be dissapointed that it hasn't been replaced first. It's likely another camera is ahead of it - the 5D.

[bonneyda]

Are you listening Canon??? If the 40D comes with the Digic II, I'm holding out until they release the Digic III. Why would I upgrade from the 20D or buy a 30D or 40D with no IQ???

[TTLImaging]

Here's what it took for me to upgrade from the 20D to the 30D: ISO in 1/3 stop increments. If professionally you had to shoot constantly at high ISO settings the difference on the 30D between 1250 and 1600. The noise is substantially different (this is true on the mkII series of 1D's also) being forced to use a 20D at 1600 and 1250 on a 30D was way different. What it will take to upgrade to a 40D: weather seals, 10+mp and DiGiC III for even more noise reduction, and more cross type AF sensors.

[Juan Zas]

I suspect Canon has at least two different developments for the future 40D (or jump to another one) ???:

1-Coming up from the old model from where the 30D has come, with similar specs that has appeared in this thread & other sites (yes, Digic II evolution), the called "incremental model"

2 - A new project based around the Digic III, antidust, new sensor, etc ...but still not ready.

It´s just a matter of time to know which one it will available. If Canon presents the model just now for PMA, it would be the first one; but after the lesson with the 30D and to fight against the D200, I believe Canon could wait if the new body is not ready until a little bit later just to prepare a competitive one.

The Canon space for a middle user body that it can competes against the D200 and others, still is empty ...

350D - 400D - 30D - ...... - 5D - 1D´s

and the only solid choice today is the 5D, but what a price to pay for a person who looks for a medium body camera (Canon)!!, specially if he already has an entry level DSRL.

So if a customer is going to spend money in this middle segment, he must wait competitive specs for that money or this money will go to move to another brands with good specs for less (if the inversion in glass let it).

[farrukh]

With the introduction of DigicIII, 14bit color depth and new sensor tech, It seems that all current EOS digital cameras need upgrade to the new tech. I will not buy a new camera if it got digicII inside it.

[DJS]

20D v3 at best with those specs. They better beef it up a bit.

[AirBrontosaurus]

Yay! I can still keep my 20D ;)

[Jonathan]

I have one thing to say to people who keep predicting a FF 40D. EF-S LENSES!

Canon have put a lot of cash into developing these lenses which are, with a couple of exceptions, very highly thought of. Are Canon going to torpedo that investment by relegating this range of lenses to one product line (300/350/400D)? I think not...

[delhi]

not to mention the 20d and 30d owners! It is highly unlikely that xxD will be FF.

[BigBlueDodge]

Oh yeah, any of th XXD cameras will be 1.6x crops. Get used to EF-S lenses, guys they will be around for a while.