Canon 1D Mark III Press Release

[Rolex888]

TWENTY YEARS OF THE CANON EOS SYSTEM LEADS TO THIS MOMENT: CANON RELEASES THE EOS-1D MARK III DIGITAL SLR
The legendary Canon EOS system evolves
to meet the demanding needs of imaging professionals
with the release of the world’s fastest digital SLR*,
EF 16-35 mm f/2.8 L II USM Lens and Speedlite 580EX II Flash

***, February 22, 2007 – Canon, the worldwide market leader in digital cameras, celebrates the 20th anniversary of its top-selling EOS single lens reflex camera system by announcing the EOS-1D Mark III Digital SLR, the world’s fastest digital SLR camera. At 10 frames per second, the 10.1 megapixel EOS-1D Mark III digital SLR can fire huge motor-driven bursts of 110 Large JPEGs or 30 RAW files because it employs the new Dual DIGIC III image processor engine, providing enough computational horsepower to do parallel processing at a rate unmatched by any other digital SLR. The all-new 10.1 megapixel, APS-H size CMOS sensor which is designed and manufactured by Canon, is the most light-sensitive and innovative sensor that Canon has developed to date. It features a new microlens array and a more efficient pixel structure for ultra-low noise, resulting in exceptional image quality and an amazing ISO range of 100 to 3200 with extensions to ISO 50 and a highly usable ISO 6400. Furthermore, Canon today unveils several new accessories, including the EF-16-35mm f/2.8L II USM Lens and the Speedlite 580EX II Flash.


Scheduled for initial *** shipments in Spring, the manufacturers’ suggested list price of the EOS-1D Mark III Digital SLR will be similar to that of its predecessor, the EOS-1D Mark II N Digital SLR. This makes the new camera a stunning bargain and a “must have” for most pro shooters on the basis of features, performance, reliability, ease of use and compatibility with the powerful Canon EOS system.


“The new EOS-1D Mark III Digital SLR is an essential tool for professional sports photographers and photojournalists because of its exceptional speed and durability and it will attract a broad range of other professional and advanced amateur photographers because of its superior image quality and improved low-light performance,” said ***. “In designing the EOS-1D Mark III Digital SLR, Canon responded to the requests of its many professional customers by adding new features that cater to their demanding needs. But at the same time, we have once again raised the bar for digital SLR cameras by introducing new technologies that only Canon can offer with the legendary EOS System.”


See the Whole Picture with a Live View LCD

One of the landmark functions of the EOS-1D Mark III Digital SLR is the introduction of a Live View shooting mode, tweaked to meet the needs of professional shooters. Photographers who use point-and-shoot digital cameras are familiar with looking at the LCD screen on the back of the camera to compose their images. Normally, a single lens reflex cannot do this because the mirror that lets you look through the lens is in the way. With the EOS-1D Mark III Digital SLR, a photographer has several options in addition to conventional SLR through-the-lens viewing. If the camera is going to be close at hand, the new Live View shooting mode lets the user focus and compose on the extra-large 3.0-inch LCD screen and magnify the image 5x or 10x, to achieve the optimal focus. If a user is going to be several feet away from the camera, in a studio, for example, the camera can be connected to a computer with a USB 2.0 high-speed cable. New software included with the camera, EOS Utility 2.0, lets you view what the camera is seeing in real time and control its operation. If a professional photographer is going to be far away from the camera, say, on the other side of a racetrack or stadium, or if the camera is hidden or buried someplace inaccessible, the EOS-1D Mark III Digital SLR can be operated wirelessly with the assistance of the new WFT- E2A Wireless File Transmitter. This allows users to view images directly off the camera’s sensor in virtually real time with the ability to adjust many camera settings on the fly. As a side benefit, Live View shooting mode helps to reduce vibration by lifting the reflex mirror out of the optical path well in advance of the exposure, improving image quality at slow shutter speeds.


The EOS Integrated Cleaning System

Another first for a professional digital SLR of this caliber is a complete dust management solution, called the EOS Integrated Cleaning System. The new CMOS image sensor is designed with a lightweight infrared absorption glass cover that vibrates for 3.5 seconds when the camera is turned on or off. This brief delay can be cancelled immediately upon startup if desired, simply by pressing the shutter button. In fact, the sensor is sealed around its edges to help keep dust out. The shutter, newly upgraded to 300,000 cycle durability, generates less dust; it fires three times during the process so dust is shaken off the shutter curtains, too. This cleaning system uses very little battery power and can also be turned off in the custom function menu, if the user chooses to do so. The second part of the anti-dust system is a software solution that records the location of any spots that may remain on the sensor as Dust Delete Data and this information is appended to the image file. In the Digital Photo Professional 3.0 software application included with the EOS-1D Mark III Digital SLR, the spots are erased automatically.

[JohnnyG]

Looks like the real thing!

Here is the link: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1032&thread=22154488

[pixelmama]

Yup it's on the canon site http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelDetailAct&fcategoryid=139&modelid=14999

[cdifoto]

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=280392

I guess people saw the other one before yours. :(

[buffalophotographer]

I want it.

[dufferin]

It's not the product I need but I like the 14 bits color depht

[ilovemycamera]

wonder what that beast will cost?

prolly what i could get a nice sedan for :p :D

[gregster]

Actually the same as the 1D2N's release price they say.

[zman]

Cost $3999 in USA

After reading this, looks like it will be my first 1D series!!!

http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/content_page.asp?cid=7-8736-8850

[cdesperado]

I guess this puts those rumors about a modified body (external grip) to rest, huh?

[zman]

One more link - Canon website:

http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelDetailAct&fcategoryid=139&modelid=14999

[cdesperado]

Ok... well, I have to admit, I was expecting a little more in the megapixel department, but there is quite a bit to be impressed with here.

And now I'm VERY curious about what the 5D upgrade might be.

[zman]

Ok... well, I have to admit, I was expecting a little more in the megapixel department, but there is quite a bit to be impressed with here.

And now I'm VERY curious about what the 5D upgrade might be.

The AF system, lower noise and higher dynamic range is what I was waiting for, 10MP is fine. Crop factor of 1.3x is perfect IMO. :)

[JohnnyG]

Here is the announcement on Popular Photography!
http://www.popphoto.com/photonews/3853/canon-releases-eos-1d-mark-iii-digital-slr.html

[pcasciola]

WOW!!!!

I never expected a 3" LCD with live view, let alone remote live view through USB or Ethernet.

Also, 10 fps and ISO 6400 are two more bonuses.

I wonder what sRAW will be. Possibly a slightly lossy compression like Nikon uses which does not affect visible image quality.

If this thing really comes out at $3999, I'm definitely getting on the waiting list at B&H.

[joegolf68]

The AF system, lower noise and higher dynamic range is what I was waiting for, 10MP is fine. Crop factor of 1.3x is perfect IMO. :)

Well summarized! I agree. :)

[Juan Zas]

1D Mk III White Paper (http://www.robgalbraith.com/public_files/Canon_EOS-1D_Mark_III_White_Paper.pdf)

With full picture of the beast !!! Front & Back !!

[joegolf68]

1D Mk III White Paper (http://www.robgalbraith.com/public_files/Canon_EOS-1D_Mark_III_White_Paper.pdf)

With full picture of the beast !!! Front & Back !!

Nice find!

[racketman]

sounds amazing. I will have to budget for a 70-200f2.8 IS too. Lucky I had a premium bond win yesterday!

[elsen029]

the Live View sounds amazing! Again, Canon comes with something nobody expected!

[racketman]

Nice find!

bet you are glad you didnt press the button on a MK2N.

[sergi2]

You are great, Juan Zas

[AdamJL]

Awesome news.

Gotta be something else though, I really doubt that this is the only thing.

[manipula]

Clicky (http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelDetailAct&fcategoryid=139&modelid=14999)

[AdamJL]

Clicky (http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelDetailAct&fcategoryid=139&modelid=14999)

C'mon dude, it would only have taken you 5 seconds to see it's already been posted in this thread.

[khlubb]

WOW!!!!
I wonder what sRAW will be. Possibly a slightly lossy compression like Nikon uses which does not affect visible image quality.



"...“sRAW” has all the flexibility of standard RAW data recording, but at one quarter the resolution and approximately half the file size of conventional RAW images"

[localchap]

Well, I myself expected more in megapixel section and what we got 10mp instead of 8, plus faster fps, hmmm, not such big deal improvement, alas.

[fstop11.net]

New 580EX II
and
Wifi

[kheops]

might be better to go on in this sticky
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=280392

[Atlasman]

the Live View sounds amazing! Again, Canon comes with something nobody expected!

I agree!

If only it came in a detachable grip, but the features and performance are compelling--at least in my book.

I'm gonna get me one! :D

[oni0n56]

WOW!!!!

I never expected a 3" LCD with live view, let alone remote live view through USB or Ethernet.

Also, 10 fps and ISO 6400 are two more bonuses.

I wonder what sRAW will be. Possibly a slightly lossy compression like Nikon uses which does not affect visible image quality.

If this thing really comes out at $3999, I'm definitely getting on the waiting list at B&H.

sRAW is 2.5mp.

[AdamJL]

Well, I myself expected more in megapixel section and what we got 10mp instead of 8, plus faster fps, hmmm, not such big deal improvement, alas.

Not a big improvement?
Dude, what crack are you smoking? :lol:

[localchap]

Not a big improvement?
Dude, what crack are you smoking? :lol:
Good question:D but seriously, I was expecting at least 12mp plus some 1.1 crop to have the yok more versatile but upon what we got now, can't see any reason to upgrade to mark III from IIn for an extra good bob.I know, I know dual digic III, 14bit image processing but I'd prefer to hear how all these innovations do the job from the first camera users.

[delhi]

The 45AF point with 19 clustered vs. 7 is awesome! 10fps .... this is gonna be a sports car for the sport shooters!

[SunTsu]

Isn't the Live View the same as what Olympus already came out with?

[coreypolis]

If only it came in a detachable grip,
that would be a travisty.

[coreypolis]

Isn't the Live View the same as what Olympus already came out with?
similar idea, but theirs won't work via wireless or tethered shooting ;)

[Atlasman]

that would be a travisty.
I guess for weather sealing integrated grip is best. Let me retract that last bit about the detachable grip!:D

[circa]

I'm really not hyped about the MKIII, it doesn't seem like THAT much of an improvement. 10.1MP over 8.2 is really not that much and not that noticable, and 10FPS? Shoot, 8.5FPS is sure as hell good enough for me. Doesn't seem like anything legendary, maybe it was the hype from here that's letting me down now.

[coreypolis]

I'm really not hyped about the MKIII, it doesn't seem like THAT much of an improvement. 10.1MP over 8.2 is really not that much and not that noticable, and 10FPS? Shoot, 8.5FPS is sure as hell good enough for me. Doesn't seem like anything legendary, maybe it was the hype from here that's letting me down now.
look deeper, theres a whole lot more to it than that:

more MP
more FPS
Larger Burst
Lighter
Better weather sealed
Live view
double the battery life
highlight tone priority (we should all be drooling over this)
larger DR
Less noise
Anti Dust
viewfinder that shows both exposure and flash exposure meter
New AF system
Dual Digic III proccessor
In camera noise reduction (to go along with long exposure NR)
Safety shift with iso control now
battery meter in 1% incriments
sRAW compressed RAW files
Auto switch of media
Record to USB storage device via wireless transmitter
ability to correct lens focusing without sending in to Canon


All without increasing the MSRP. Game over, canon wins! Hype is just that, and you're also seeing multiple bodies worth of ideas come around, don't forget teh 1dsIII, 40d and 5d2 are still to come at some point

[ramirez.photo]

I'm really not hyped about the MKIII, it doesn't seem like THAT much of an improvement. 10.1MP over 8.2 is really not that much and not that noticable, and 10FPS? Shoot, 8.5FPS is sure as hell good enough for me. Doesn't seem like anything legendary, maybe it was the hype from here that's letting me down now.

Not that much improvement?
Your looking past what I think is one of the most important things.

New DIGIC III processor.
:lol:

Everything else is just an added bonus

[PacAce]

Not that much improvement?
Your looking past what I think is one of the most important things.

New DIGIC III processor.
:lol:

Everything else is just an added bonus
And TWO of them at that! :shock:

[donlavange]

WOW!!!!

I never expected a 3" LCD with live view, let alone remote live view through USB or Ethernet.

Also, 10 fps and ISO 6400 are two more bonuses.

I wonder what sRAW will be. Possibly a slightly lossy compression like Nikon uses which does not affect visible image quality.

If this thing really comes out at $3999, I'm definitely getting on the waiting list at B&H.

OK let's go! I am so ready!

[sti jaguar]

Damn I just got the 580 EX, so what's so special about the 580 II?

[bnlearle]

Not to be a downer or anything, but I'm actually a little surprised that I'm one of the few that will prefer the 1D MK II N over the 1D MARK III. Going from 8mp to 10 isn't really that practical for me. If you're going to jump up, make it a significant one. I would have been happier with 12mp. 10 is just sorta....I can't describe it; I just don't see it making a difference except for taking a little more memory space without much more gain. The 10fps is absolutely no gain (for me at least) over 8.5fps. This is the main reason I am a little bummed. Since everything I shoot is in raw, instead of being able to take 8.5fps for five seconds, now I can take 10fps for three?!? I'm confused on the benefit there (unless there's a way to drop to about 8fps and the bursts move up). The 1D MK II n is TERRIBLE in reference to the sensor constantly getting dust on it, but not an upgrade worthy bonus, for me. Don't get me wrong - if it is good for everyone else, I'm happy. I was just hoping for the 1D/1Ds hybrid. Now I think I'll just get a 5D or another MK II n (or just a MK II) as another backup. All in all, everyone will be able to get the 1D MK III for about 4k and the 1D MK II N for about 3k. I don't see where it's worth spending a whole thousand dollars for the new model.

If I am missing something in regards to overlooked benefits, be sure to let me know. I would love to find out that this is a camera worth purchasing (as I don't envision the 1DS III being anounced, unfortunately).

[pcasciola]

Don't forget, this is a new generation camera that will likely support the higher CF speeds of the Extreme IV, so the 30 RAW buffer could easily become 40+ if they take full advantage of the CF speed.

There are so many other upgrades from the 1D Mk IIN that it's actually hard to find any similarities. 10fps (~20% faster), 10MP (20% more), less noise, ISO 6400 support, 3" LCD, live view LCD, Dual CPU (Digic III) which should provide better IQ with the extra processing power, 4x the color depth, improved 45 AF layout, 300K shutter, sRAW support, self cleaning sensor, highlight tone priority......

[jacobsen1]

Since everything I shoot is in raw, instead of being able to take 8.5fps for five seconds, now I can take 10fps for three?!? I'm confused on the benefit there (unless there's a way to drop to about 8fps and the bursts move up).

You do realize that even on the 1DmII and 1DmII'n' you can set you 'H' drive FPS to anything you want right? So I seriously doubt the will remove that from the camera. The only downer with it in the current IIs is that is can't be set in camera, you have to have it hooked up to your computer to do it. The new camera has any function you can set as a CF that is accessable in camera (awesome!) so you'll be able to dial that in at any point... You want 3fps, you got it (although that's 'L' anyway), you want 5fps, you got it, same with 8, 8.5, 9, anything... I can only assume that will fill the buffer slower so you have more time before it's filled...

See in red below

Here are the spec's from rob's site (linked above):
• World's fastest AF DSLR with approximately 10 fps continuous shooting in One-Shot AF or AI Servo AF
• Maximum burst (JPEG Large, compression level 8) approximately 110 shots; RAW, approximately 30 shots (based on Canon’s testing standards)
• Dual DIGIC III Image Processors for fine detail, natural color reproduction and high-speed performance
• ISO 100-3200 with ISO speed extension, L= 50, H = 6400
• 14-bit A/D conversion for fine gradation
• Live View in camera and remote, wired and wireless
• New 45-point Area AF sensor with 19 high-precision, cross-type points (f/2.8 compatible), 26 standard-precision AssistAF points
• New AF point selection methods
• AF micro-adjustment (fine adjustment of AF point of focus)
• Adjustable operation characteristics for AFpoint selection, shutter release priority and focus-tracking sensitivity with AI Servo AF
• New methods of AF point expansion during manual AF point selection
• New 10.1-megapixel CMOSsensor, APS-H size
• Improved microlens array and pixel fill factor plus optimized photodiode structure to increase light-reception efficiency
• Professional EOS Integrated Cleaning System with Self-Cleaning Sensor Unit, Dust Delete Data acquisition
• RAW, sRAW (new SmallRAW), RAW+JPEG, sRAW+JPEG, JPEG+JPEG simultaneous recording
• Increased shutter durability of approximately 300,000 cycles
• Large and bright 3.0-inch LCD monitor with 230,000 pixels and wide viewing angle
• Five custom WB settings
• Selectable noise reduction for high ISO images, 50% less shadow noise for all images
• Selectable Highlight Tone Priority
• High-speed shutter with 1/8000 sec. maximum speed and high-speed X-sync at 1/300 sec. with EX Speedlites
• Startup time approx. 0.2 sec.
• Shutter release time lag approx. 55 ms. (approximately 40 ms. at maximum aperture with C. Fn IV-13-1) and viewfinder blackout time 80 ms. at 1/250 or higher
• Compatible with SDHC (SD High-Capacity) memory cards as well as high capacity CF cards
• Compatible with USB 2.0 Hi-Speed image transfer
• Faster writing to memory card
• High-magnification, wide-coverage viewfinder and improved focusing screen with 100% finder coverage
• 63-zone metering sensor for more stable exposure control with ambient light and flash
• High-capacity, lightweight and compact lithium-ion battery with estimated battery life display
• Enhanced recording options include automatic switching ofrecording media, separate recordings to media and identical recordings to multiple media
• Silent mode for single images
• Image copying and backup to external media enabled
• ISO speed safety shift
• ISO speed and metering pattern always displayed in viewfinder and on top LCD data panel
• New control layout with SET button, AF On button and Multi-Controller
• Displayable camera settings and better image information during playback
• Histogram display, jump display, error code display, and shooting settings display
• Chassis, mirror box, and exterior covers made ofmagnesium alloy
• Maintains water resistance with new 580EX II Speedlite
• Personal Functions consolidated with Custom Functions, resulting in 57 Custom
Functions in 4 groups
• Custom Function settings can be registered and called up
• Camera settings can be saved and read
• Camera's basic settings can be registered and applied
• New “MyMenu” function can be registered and displayed at startup
• Camera direct printing (PictBridge) improved and DPOF print ordering provided
• Direct printing of RAW and sRAW images
• Direct image transfer
• Wireless/wired LAN for image transfers via new WFT-E2A dedicated Wireless File Transmitter
• External USB recording media and GPS unit usable via the WFT-E2A
• Verification data can be generated, encrypted and appended to the image with new Original Data Security Kit OSK-E3
• Compatible with original image verification system
• Speedlite Custom Functions settable with the camera when the 580EXII Speedlite is attached
• New software package includes Digital Photo Professional 3.0 and EOS Utility 2.0
• New EF16–35mm f/2.8L II USM lensfeatures improved peripheral image quality


Also what's sRAW??? I'm REALLY hoping it's the ability to record RAWs at smaller file sizes... IE 8mp, 6mp, and 4mp RAWs, not just the 10mp RAWs... Has anyone figured that out yet? The reason I say this is when I'm using a higher FPS it would be nice to grab a RAW, but I don't need a 10mp raw... Also if I could shoot at 6mp or 8mp and capture the RAW the buffer would be that much bigger when needed... IE if the 30 image buffer is an issue, water it down to 8mp and get more files. I typically shoot JPEGs when doing high FPS anyway, so it's not a huge issue for me, but it would be a great feature none the less....


Also on the batteries:

• High-capacity, lightweight and compact lithium-ion battery with estimated battery life display

Will these be compatable with the mII and vise versa??? It's a bit of a bummer to have to carry around 2 batteries for both and 2 charging systems. It's awesome they finally went lithium, but hopefully this battery will work in the mII or at least the mIII can take the old mII batteries in a pinch....


I kept telling myself they would have to really get it right to get me to switch. I was sure it would be too expensive or something, but now looking at the specs, they have fixed so many of my little issues, I'm really tempted. I think it will come down to how much will I be able to sell my mII for and what will this street price at.... If I can trade for <$800 I'm "there"...

[Alnitak]

Not to be a downer or anything, but I'm actually a little surprised that I'm one of the few that will prefer the 1D MK II N over the 1D MARK III. Going from 8mp to 10 isn't really that practical for me. If you're going to jump up, make it a significant one. I would have been happier with 12mp. 10 is just sorta....I can't describe it; I just don't see it making a difference except for taking a little more memory space without much more gain. The 10fps is absolutely no gain (for me at least) over 8.5fps. This is the main reason I am a little bummed. Since everything I shoot is in raw, instead of being able to take 8.5fps for five seconds, now I can take 10fps for three?!? I'm confused on the benefit there (unless there's a way to drop to about 8fps and the bursts move up). The 1D MK II n is TERRIBLE in reference to the sensor constantly getting dust on it, but not an upgrade worthy bonus, for me. Don't get me wrong - if it is good for everyone else, I'm happy. I was just hoping for the 1D/1Ds hybrid. Now I think I'll just get a 5D or another MK II n (or just a MK II) as another backup. All in all, everyone will be able to get the 1D MK III for about 4k and the 1D MK II N for about 3k. I don't see where it's worth spending a whole thousand dollars for the new model.

If I am missing something in regards to overlooked benefits, be sure to let me know. I would love to find out that this is a camera worth purchasing (as I don't envision the 1DS III being anounced, unfortunately).

I think the thing you are missing is the potential for much better imaging. 14-bit conversion instead of 12 is a big jump that will translate directly into better images. AF is going to be much better (if the reality meets the white papers), 50% less noise in shadows, 3200 natural ISO, 20% more resolution, anti-dust measures, 3" chimper with live preview (handy for macro situations, if that's a consideration), apparently a 1-stop increase in DR, the list goes on and on and on. If you boil it down to "just 2 megapixels more" without factoring in the increased quality of all those megapixels, you might be missing the boat. For approximately the same price (a little more in the beginning), you may really be missing out on a great opportunity. It's actually a MUCH improved camera. Just my opinion.

[Alnitak]

Jacobsen,

The batteries on the MkIII are not compatible with the MkII. Totally different shape and size.

[jacobsen1]

Crap, reading the white papers now (they crashed my computer yesterday)...
sRAW is a 2.5mp RAW file... Why didn't they make that adjustable??? IE RAW, lRAW, mRAW and sRAW....

a 4mp or 6mp RAW would be perfect for me... 2.5 is a little too small....

[pieq314]

apparently a 1-stop increase in DR, the list goes on and on and on.

In my opinion, just the 1 stop increase in DR (or equivalently lower noise at 1 stop higher ISO) is worth the extra cost, comparing with the amount you will have to spend on lenses for the same 1-stop increase in apertures.

[jacobsen1]

Just read through most of the white papers... Now I want it even more. :(

[racketman]

Damn I just got the 580 EX, so what's so special about the 580 II?

didnt they say it was weather sealed?

[pcasciola]

Crap, reading the white papers now (they crashed my computer yesterday)...
sRAW is a 2.5mp RAW file... Why didn't they make that adjustable??? IE RAW, lRAW, mRAW and sRAW....

a 4mp or 6mp RAW would be perfect for me... 2.5 is a little too small....Yeah, 2.5mp seems way too small to me too. I guess they went that way because it's the fastest to process being half the width and half the height, but I would have preferred 5MP half size.

[coreypolis]

Damn I just got the 580 EX, so what's so special about the 580 II?
faster refresh
weather sealed
metal mount
pc socket
and more!

[René Damkot]

'Auto' cell ;)

[racketman]

stores are quoting £3049 for body only here- ie about $6000. What's new?

[coreypolis]

stores are quoting £3049 for body only here- ie about $6000. What's new?
might as well fly to the us, vacation and buy it, then return home, you'd still be spending the same and atleast you get something more out of it. it'll be worth every penny though;)

[zman]

AF Micro-adjustment - an awesome feature. No more complains about front or back focusing, it can be adjusted within the camera. Up to 20 lenses can be registered with its own profile. This alone is amazing; I don't think any other camera offers such feature.
This camera will be very difficult to resist; I guess I'll have to tell my wife - no shoes or purses for a long time, we're buying 1DmkIII. :lol:

[racketman]

might as well fly to the us, vacation and buy it, then return home, you'd still be spending the same and atleast you get something more out of it. it'll be worth every penny though;)

unfortunately Canon US warranty is not valid here - no doubt to help secure the price differential they can get in rip off Britain. Battery charger would also have wrong plug but that is a minor inconvenience.

[Headcase650]

look deeper, theres a whole lot more to it than that:

more MP
more FPS
Larger Burst
Lighter
Better weather sealed
Live view
double the battery life
highlight tone priority (we should all be drooling over this)
larger DR
Less noise
Anti Dust
viewfinder that shows both exposure and flash exposure meter
New AF system
Dual Digic III proccessor
In camera noise reduction (to go along with long exposure NR)
Safety shift with iso control now
battery meter in 1% incriments
sRAW compressed RAW files
Auto switch of media
Record to USB storage device via wireless transmitter
ability to correct lens focusing without sending in to Canon


All without increasing the MSRP. Game over, canon wins! Hype is just that, and you're also seeing multiple bodies worth of ideas come around, don't forget teh 1dsIII, 40d and 5d2 are still to come at some point


This camera is so BADASS on paper. Id love to have one but Ill never buy one, but I pray some of those features get included in the 40D. I want the ISO shift, weather sealing, live LCD, ISO 6400 etc so badly,

[bnlearle]

Crap. You guys that responded to my "not that impressed" response have definitely made me want it now. Thanks a lot! Now I might have to fork over four grand. :evil: How much do you guys think 1dmkIIn's will be selling for? I might have to put mine up for sale. :)

[Phil Light]

Crap. You guys that responded to my "not that impressed" response have definitely made me want it now. Thanks a lot! Now I might have to fork over four grand. :evil: How much do you guys think 1dmkIIn's will be selling for? I might have to put mine up for sale. :)

On another thread someone said Calumet Camera is talking $4,500+

[coreypolis]

Crap. You guys that responded to my "not that impressed" response have definitely made me want it now. Thanks a lot! Now I might have to fork over four grand. :evil: How much do you guys think 1dmkIIn's will be selling for? I might have to put mine up for sale. :)
you can get a new one for 3350 or a used one for under 2900. used 1d2 (no N) are in the 2200 range

[coreypolis]

On another thread someone said Calumet Camera is talking $4,500+
MSRP on the 1dIII should be 3999, some may initially charge more because they can, or MSRP could be that high but street price will lower it.

[cubano100pct]

Here are some sample images:
http://web.canon.jp/Imaging/eos1dm3/eos1dm3_sample-e.html

and specs from Canon's BeBit site:
http://web.canon.jp/Imaging/eos1dm3/html/top.html

[SoaringUSAEagle]

Yeah if this thing is comparable in price to a 2n then I will definitely be looking into getting one soon. I would love to have 2 cameras to use one as a backup. We will wait and see, I am in no big rush. But I cant wait to tell my friend that I was right about the cost. I said under 5. He said itd be more than the 1Ds lol!!!

[Phil Light]

Since it's supposed to replace the 1D MkII N, which sells for under $3,400, it would have to stay pretty close to that price range, wouldn't it? Would Canon replace a popular model with one for over $1,000 more? I wouldn't think that would make good business sense.

[Headcase650]

Wasnt the 1DMkII or 1DN about $4500 when first introduced, If so Id say the price is comming down.

[pcasciola]

The 1D MkII was introduced at $4499, the 1D MkIIN at $3999, and the 1D Mk III will be introduced at $3999 as well according to Canon.

[donlavange]

The 1D MkII was introduced at $4499, the 1D MkIIN at $3999, and the 1D Mk III will be introduced at $3999 as well according to Canon.

I ALREADY sent an email to B&H to get on the list (per your suggestion)! Are you on it too? Hey, I need vest for my grandson Photofinder. He is small. . do you have one in tan?

[pcasciola]

I ALREADY sent an email to B&H to get on the list (per your suggestion)! Are you on it too? Hey, I need vest for my grandson Photofinder. He is small. . do you have one in tan?I'm on the waiting list at a local camera store for the 1D MkIII.

And yes, small Tan vests are available in the POTN store.

[WhitePear]

Ok. All in all, I think this camera has a lot to celebrate. However, I am not the only photographer who wishes that the MP were a tad higher. I know all the myths and facts about MP value -- As a studio photographer and macro enthusiast the MP is more than just a luxury. Even the more reputable stock agencies require 12+ higher MP for submission. Even those who shoot in the field don't have all the time in the world to grab the perfect composition, so 10 MP isn't going to allow for liberal cropping when necessary.

Looks like I will play the waiting game for a replacement for the 1Ds Mark II. I've waited this long -- I can wait longer. It pains me because the features and improvements are quite compelling.

-Christos

www.whitepear.com

[donlavange]

I'm on the waiting list at a local camera store for the 1D MkIII.

And yes, small Tan vests are available in the POTN store.

Thanks! I will get the vest order placed!

[picworx]

More Mega Pixels, why only 10? This is bizarre?

Impressive Cam Otherwise

[Keith R]

More Mega Pixels, why only 10? This is bizarre?

Care to explain why? 10 mp sounds ideal to me.

[Phil Light]

I think Canon has recognized that we've reached a point where quantity of pixels is less important that quality of pixels. That is what allows them to be able to push this sensor to 6400 ISO. This is the best CMOS sensor that they have ever produced. If they made the sensor larger, FF for example it would have been at the expense of frame rate. And frame rate was for Canon one of the most important features they were trying to improve with this model. Nobody can touch this, especially with the quality this will produce.

[WhitePear]

Framerate -- undeniably fast...and the sensor is to be envied. But MP does play a role in composition allowance and print quality -- for those who want to step out of the 8x10 print sandbox. With the 14bit upgrade, Im curious to see the tonal gradation and how this plays into the lower MP=better quality theory. Depending on subject matter the extra MP is desired in post-production.

[cgratti]

Found this on another site, take it for what it's worth:

* 10.1 effective Megapixel APS-H size CMOS sensor; 1.3x focal length conversion
* ISO range of 50 to 6400, with Canon calling the latter "highly usable"
* Live view on a 3.0" LCD display; image can be enlarged 5X or 10X, just like on Olympus and Panasonic's live view cameras
* Dual DIGIC III image processors allow for shooting at a whopping 10 frames/second, for up to 30 RAW or 110 JPEG images
* Ultrasonic dust removal system (just like on the Rebel XTi)
* Upgraded shutter can handle 300,000 cycles
* Full manual controls (obviously) and 57 custom functions
* 45-point autofocus system
* New sRAW format produces smaller files with less resolution; don't worry, regular RAW iss till there
* Camera can be controlled remotely from a Mac or PC using USB or Wi-Fi. Apparently the live view works too.
* CompactFlash and SD/SDHC memory card slots (same as other 1D series cameras)
* Improved software package includes Digital Photo Professional 3.0 and EOS Utility 2.0
* Optional Wi-Fi via WFT-E2A adapter
* Uses new lithium-ion battery; 2200 shots per charge
* Ships this spring for $3999 (body only)

[Atlasman]

If Canon tried to appeal to every market segment with a single camera, they would fail.

[AdamJL]

Found this on another site, take it for what it's worth:


What do you mean? That info is accurate?

[terry44]

If Canon tried to appeal to every market segment with a single camera, they would fail.

The new camera sounds great and I will definitely buy one, but I would have preferred full frame with dynamic crop (not digital zoom, I mean changing the pixels involved and affecting RAW size and frame rate). I think 12 or more MP (FF) which could be cropped back to say 1.3, like the old camera, would have been fantastic. Nikon have done this so it is feasible. You would be able to get more quality when you need it, or more speed when you need that. FF would also make some lenses much more affective, such as wides and certain zooms (I find a 70 to 200mm a bit tight at the wide end on a 1Dii).

[CyberDyneSystems]

12 MP full frame is lower pixel density than the MkIII's 10MP on 1.3X
In fact 12MP full frame is the same pixel density as the MkII, so 12 MP full frame would be a step backwards compared to the new MkIII for current 1.3X shooters.

To get the same Pixel density as the MkIII's 10MP, in a full frame you need 16MO (aka 1Ds MkII)

What this camera is offering is a 1.3x crop of the 1Ds MkII sensor, giving pros that same density in a much more affordable camera, and with much higher speed and obviously, all those lovely new features.

For FF, we will have to wait for the 1Ds MkIII

[terry44]

12 MP full frame is lower pixel density than the MkIII's 10MP on 1.3X
In fact 12MP full frame is the same pixel density as the MkII, so 12 MP full frame would be a step backwards compared to the new MkIII for current 1.3X shooters.


But most PJs are happy with 8 MP for the majority of their work. For me, having FF would be a much bigger step forward as compared to a bit more pulling power with telephoto lenses. Then again, 16 MP with dynamic crop would be the best of both worlds. I could do everything with a couple of bodies. Now I'll probably have to buy two 1Diii and a 1Dsiii body. So more money for Canon. Now I see why they didn't want to introduce dynamic crop.

[pcasciola]

FF is not always a step forward, especially where speed is concerned. Canon states in their white paper that APS-H (1.3x) is the largest sensor that can be imaged in a single pass, so it might still be a couple of years before we see a full frame sensor that can do 8-10fps. I believe this is the main reason why Canon is not pursing a full frame, selectable crop body at this point. Nikon can do it because the larger size is 1.5x. Now if the MkIII had selectable 1.3x to 1.6-2x instead of the sRAW option, that would be perfect for my needs.

[manipula]

I can't be bothered to search through days of posting on this camera (I've been away for a week or so) so I've just picked a thread and that's it. Jessops in the UK is now showing this camera priced at £3049.99 on their stock system... No trade price as of yet for me to see which would help me give an idea if that price will stick or drop when stock actually gets through. They'd had 11 on order by Sat 24th from various customers.

[terry44]

FF is not always a step forward, especially where speed is concerned. Canon states in their white paper that APS-H (1.3x) is the largest sensor that can be imaged in a single pass, so it might still be a couple of years before we see a full frame sensor that can do 8-10fps. I believe this is the main reason why Canon is not pursing a full frame, selectable crop body at this point. Nikon can do it because the larger size is 1.5x. Now if the MkIII had selectable 1.3x to 1.6-2x instead of the sRAW option, that would be perfect for my needs.

But if you need coverage with certain lenses, FF is a huge step forward. I personally don't need 10 fps at FF, but at 1.3 for news and sport that speed would be very useful. The dynamic crop would give you a choice of FF with lots of MPs and around 5 fps, or dynamically cropped to 1.3 you could have around 10 fps. That's what I'm saying, you would have two cameras in one. Everyone would be a winner - except Canon, so I'm not sure they'll do it.

[terry44]

I can't be bothered to search through days of posting on this camera (I've been away for a week or so) so I've just picked a thread and that's it. Jessops in the UK is now showing this camera priced at £3049.99 on their stock system...

Welcome to rip-off Britain. Maybe I'll book a flight to my favourite city: NYC.

[pcasciola]

But if you need coverage with certain lenses, FF is a huge step forward. I personally don't need 10 fps at FF, but at 1.3 for news and sport that speed would be very useful. The dynamic crop would give you a choice of FF with lots of MPs and around 5 fps, or dynamically cropped to 1.3 you could have around 10 fps. That's what I'm saying, you would have two cameras in one. Everyone would be a winner - except Canon, so I'm not sure they'll do it.That's a big IF though. For the rest of us it's a step backward if the frame rate were to drop to say 5fps, a speed that no Canon full frame has been able to achieve. Many don't need super wide angle, and 15-20mm effective plenty wide and doable on a 1.3x sensor with the 12-24, 14mm primes and 16-35L, and we get to keep our speed and extra resolution on the tele end where the higher pixel density helps out.

I'm totally with you on the selectable crop, I just don't think FF to 1.3 selectable is doable right now based on Canon's statement that 1.3x is the largest sensor that can be imaged in a single pass. Since the sensors are not read a pixel at a time, this means a FF shooting at a 1.3x crop would likely still have to be read off the sensor in it's entirety and then the extra pixels thrown away, which would hinder performance.

[SoccerRef]

ok... So which of you 1Ds MKII owners are going to run out and buy the Mark III and sell me your Mark II for a "reasonable price"?!?!;)

[coreypolis]

But if you need coverage with certain lenses, FF is a huge step forward. I personally don't need 10 fps at FF, but at 1.3 for news and sport that speed would be very useful. The dynamic crop would give you a choice of FF with lots of MPs and around 5 fps, or dynamically cropped to 1.3 you could have around 10 fps. That's what I'm saying, you would have two cameras in one. Everyone would be a winner - except Canon, so I'm not sure they'll do it.
not every high end camera needs to be FF, Canon already has provided 3 to date. Most of us are happy with 1.3x and perhaps wouldn't buy it if it were FF

[CyberDyneSystems]

But most PJs are happy with 8 MP for the majority of their work. For me, having FF would be a much bigger step forward as compared to a bit more pulling power with telephoto lenses. Then again, 16 MP with dynamic crop would be the best of both worlds. I could do everything with a couple of bodies. Now I'll probably have to buy two 1Diii and a 1Dsiii body. So more money for Canon. Now I see why they didn't want to introduce dynamic crop.

I understand that FF has advantages,. I know that Canon will continue to offer at least two lines of FF cameras ( 1Ds and 5D lines)

However I am SOOOO thankful that Canon did not dissolve the 1.3x line as rumored.
For what I do, this is pretty much the perfect sensor size. Without making the 1.3x compromise, we could not have had cameras with the speed and price advantages that the 1D, 1D MkII and now the 1D MkIII have.. we would have had to wait much longer for FF speeds to catch up , and would have had to pay nearly twice as much.

I personally hope the 1D line remains 1.3X for these reasons.

That would leave us with these options

2 Line of FF (1Ds and 5D)
1 line of 1.3x ( 1D )
2 lines of 1.6x ( 30D series and 300D series)

[terry44]

That's a big IF though. For the rest of us it's a step backward if the frame rate were to drop to say 5fps, a speed that no Canon full frame has been able to achieve. Many don't need super wide angle, and 15-20mm effective plenty wide and doable on a 1.3x sensor with the 12-24, 14mm primes and 16-35L, and we get to keep our speed and extra resolution on the tele end where the higher pixel density helps out.


It's not just super wide angles. The 70 to 200mm would be a fantastic lens for me on a FF body, on a 1.3 crop it's just a bit too tight at the wide end. If they could make something like a 50 to 160mm 2.8L it would help though.

[Broncobear]

WOW 10fps? and I was happy to read about it's wireless tranfer.

3999$ will be a bargain for this beast....

[Juan Zas]

WOW 10fps? and I was happy to read about it's wireless tranfer.

3999$ will be a bargain for this beast....

Don´t say that :evil: :evil: Big Brother is watching you and is going to increase the output price because everybody is telling stupid ;) things !!

Sorry, I forget you are a rich man :D (just joking)

Or may you want to pay $5500 for it, like some fool people is saying at DPRW because in this way should be less people in the pre-order list ?

[Broncobear]

Ok ok not a bargain but a really reasonable price that will be sure to get Canon the maximum amount of profits and happy people who will be sure to get the most out of this product, and then tell the world Canon is the best! Is that better?

[JohnnyG]

I have seen in a couple places that the US price for the lens will be $4499.00. Also, I've been checking for change in my truck and in my couch for enough to buy one. If I find enough change, I'll get one. If not, I'm considering selling my truck to get one. Of course if I do that, I won't have wheels to go to the park and shoot ducks! :)

So, I'm still in the planning stages here!;)

[Broncobear]

Right now the closest thing I can find Cdn is 5500....

[donlavange]

I have seen in a couple places that the US price for the lens will be $4499.00. Also, I've been checking for change in my truck and in my couch for enough to buy one. If I find enough change, I'll get one. If not, I'm considering selling my truck to get one. Of course if I do that, I won't have wheels to go to the park and shoot ducks! :)

So, I'm still in the planning stages here!;)

You mean body?? Still too much at anything over list price! Look at the survey.

[donlavange]

I understand that FF has advantages,. I know that Canon will continue to offer at least two lines of FF cameras ( 1Ds and 5D lines)

However I am SOOOO thankful that Canon did not dissolve the 1.3x line as rumored.
For what I do, this is pretty much the perfect sensor size. Without making the 1.3x compromise, we could not have had cameras with the speed and price advantages that the 1D, 1D MkII and now the 1D MkIII have.. we would have had to wait much longer for FF speeds to catch up , and would have had to pay nearly twice as much.

I personally hope the 1D line remains 1.3X for these reasons.

That would leave us with these options

2 Line of FF (1Ds and 5D)
1 line of 1.3x ( 1D )
2 lines of 1.6x ( 30D series and 300D series)

Just wondering CDS. Will you pay more than list. . .and if so , how much? (Is that too personal?) I don't think I would based on principle, but I want the wide range of auto bracket so badly , I don't trust myself!

[CyberDyneSystems]

Not sure Don, I don't think we truly know what "list" is.
I will pay what B&H charges, no more. And I do not think B&H will gouge anyone.

When the MkII was released we all happily paid $4,495.00 .. and that was significantly less than the previous model had sold for at introduction..

When I heard the MkIII was coming out, I assumed it would sell for $4,500.00 again..
That the MkII came down to $4k after two years,, and that the insignificant tweak of the "N" did nto warrant a boost back up to $4,500.00 all seems to make sense to me now.

But this is no "N: model, this is a whole new camera. I have no idea what the deal is with the apparent leak of $4K .. it would be nice, but I was not expecting it to be that low.

[Juan Zas]

There are comments at DPRW about the launch price for the 1D MkIII: talking with some USA dealers, Canon has told them it will be $3.999.

[pcasciola]

Seeing the $3999 price in print from Canon on their white paper is what made me get on the waiting list. When they removed it I figured, ok, $4299-4499 is ok too. If they try to gouge us and charge $4999, I won't be buying one right away.

[terry44]

not every high end camera needs to be FF, Canon already has provided 3 to date. Most of us are happy with 1.3x and perhaps wouldn't buy it if it were FF

Many of the serious PJs I talk to would like FF. A few have started using the 5D for some of their work while a couple have even started using the 1Dsii (they prefer FF and timing the shot rather than hosing at 8.5fps). Then again, most sports photographers are happy with a 1.3 crop. Personally, I fall between the two camps and would prefer a camera that does both.

[manipula]

UK prices of this camera have already dropped £50. Was £3049.99 now £2999.99 in Jessops. Possibly early temp pricing, also possible that it's for some other reason.

[jacobsen1]

Not sure Don, I don't think we truly know what "list" is.
I will pay what B&H charges, no more. And I do not think B&H will gouge anyone.

When the MkII was released we all happily paid $4,495.00 .. and that was significantly less than the previous model had sold for at introduction..

When I heard the MkIII was coming out, I assumed it would sell for $4,500.00 again..
That the MkII came down to $4k after two years,, and that the insignificant tweak of the "N" did nto warrant a boost back up to $4,500.00 all seems to make sense to me now.

But this is no "N: model, this is a whole new camera. I have no idea what the deal is with the apparent leak of $4K .. it would be nice, but I was not expecting it to be that low.

OK, so I did a little math on this to see what it might cost here...
The prices are out in the UK (I'm using jessops as they seem like the B&H of the UK)... I know there is a pound to USD conversion, but there is also the fact they pay a boat load more for gear over there... So anyway, follow me through this:

1Ds mII @ Jessops: £4,485.00
1Ds mII @ B&H: $6,999.95
that's ~%56 higher at B&H if the price increase and pound to USD ratio will be roughly the same...

if you take the 30D (couldn't find a body only on jessops of the 5D)
30D @ Jessops: £699.99
30D @ B&H: $1,120.95

that's ~%60 higher

So take the 1DmIII @ Jessops: £2,999.00
add to it the same %56 percent increas and you get $4,680.68...

So the $4,500 range is looking pretty accurate to me....

[Punisher77]

The prices are out in the UK (I'm using jessops as they seem like the B&H of the UK)...

I'm pretty sure that Jessops is more expensive, on average, than B&H.

[CyberDyneSystems]

I think you missed the point Punisher..
he illustrates that jessops is more expensive on average, and calculates what the average for that higher price has been with current models..

ie: approx 55%-60%
Then he applied that average to the expected jessops price of the MkIII to come up with what we might expect.

ie: 56-60% less than Jessops = approx $4,500.00 U.S.C. (rounding off)

[Punisher77]

I think you missed the point Punisher..

Yes, I did. ;)

[donlavange]

Still nothing from B&H as of Sunset. We get a day off from checking until they re-open again!

[manipula]

For reference Jessops body only price on a 5D is £1499.99 currently...

[pcasciola]

Some prices are starting to show up at random mail order places.

ZipZoomFly - $4999
Foto Connection - $4599
DTG Web - $7490
Precision Camera - $4598
AVAlive - $4439

[Headcase650]

What the hell happened to the $3999 price that was stated when the anouncment was first made? I think everyones excitment made canon go "CHAH-CHING"!