5D Mark II

[-MasterChief-]

so now that the truth is out on the 1D Mark III. here are my predictions for the 5D replacement:

- still full frame
- will keep 12.8 MP resolution
- 5 FPS
- single DIGIC III processor
- 50 - 6400 ISO (lower noise)
- increased buffer
- anti-dust technology


[fingers crossed] :D

[Tsmith]

That actually sounds logical enough

[superdiver]

OOOHHHH ISO 6400...dreamy....I would LOVE that!

[jsimon724]

throw in eye-control focus and you've got a winner!
Seriously, 5d is already a great camera, but I would love to see ECF in a dslr.
Jim

[cdesperado]

That sounds fairly accurate to me...

If it hits 8 fps... Im gonna have an interesting decision to make. <grin>

[BigBlueDodge]

I doubt you will see 5D hit 5 fps. I believe that 5fps are fast enough for probably 60-75% of the people who purchase the 1D MK XXX version of camera's. We are already seeing people today defecting from the 1D MK II N Camera's to the 5D. Their one main gripe is the FPS on the 5D. If Canon increases the FPS, then I think this would start taking people away from the 1D MK III, even with all of its fantastic upgrades.

[Juan Zas]

Sorry boys, but as far as we have "listen" , and you already know that "the truth is out there"; Canon is not going to introduce any modifaction/news in the 5D line until next year (the FF market is Canon property - for the moment )

[calicokat]

Sorry boys, but as far as we have "listen" , and you already know that "the truth is out there"; Canon is not going to introduce any modifaction/news in the 5D line until next year (the FF market is Canon property - for the moment )

I agree with you, no competition, why release anything right now

[roli_bark]

In order to have a 5D Mark-II with 8FPS, it will need 4 x DiGiC-III working in tandem !

[AdamJL]

so now that the truth is out on the 1D Mark III. here are my predictions for the 5D replacement:

- still full frame
- will keep 12.8 MP resolution
- 5 FPS
- single DIGIC III processor
- 50 - 6400 ISO (lower noise)
- increased buffer
- anti-dust technology


[fingers crossed] :D

How can you forget WEATHER SEALING?!
The most important thing that the 5D needs without a doubt. It's already a pearler of a camera, but if they gave us weather sealing (and come on Canon, us amateur landscapers DO shoot in the rain!) it would be perfect.

[mogearnotalent]

I'm still hopeful a new 5d is coming

[pieq314]

My comments:

1. 5fps will needs 2 DIGIC III processors. So it will stay at 3 fps or at most 4 fps.
2. There will be no weather sealing. If there is, people will buy the cheaper 5D instead of the more expensive 1D.

[MrChad]

You'd think we'd be happy. Everyone that purchased a 5D or 30D with the 2x rebates still has a latest and greatest toy. Let this be a lesson, buy the gear you need today not what may be tomorrow...

If anything, I'm ticked the flash gun a had to save up for is now being replaced after what seems like only a few months--this twice now my 420EX was replaced with the 430EX a year after I purchased the bugger.

And that all future L's may start to become 82mm zooms. Crackers you thought 77mm B+W filters ate the money from your wallet.

[-MasterChief-]

ok, im not saying its coming out this year. but definitely those specs are about right for the next 5D.

[coreypolis]

doesn't seem worth upgrading for with the loss you'd take on selling a 5d1 and potential msrp of the 5d2.

with all the deep changes the 1d3 made you should be hoping for some of those, light highlight tone priority, flash exposure meter in cam etc

[SunTsu]

You'd think we'd be happy. Everyone that purchased a 5D or 30D with the 2x rebates still has a latest and greatest toy. Let this be a lesson, buy the gear you need today not what may be tomorrow...

If anything, I'm ticked the flash gun a had to save up for is now being replaced after what seems like only a few months--this twice now my 420EX was replaced with the 430EX a year after I purchased the bugger.

And that all future L's may start to become 82mm zooms. Crackers you thought 77mm B+W filters ate the money from your wallet.

Just curious. If you had known the 580EX was going to be replaced by the 580EX II, would you still have purchased the 580EX at the time you did?

[terrafirmay]

so now that the truth is out on the 1D Mark III. here are my predictions for the 5D replacement:

- still full frame
- will keep 12.8 MP resolution
- 5 FPS
- single DIGIC III processor
- 50 - 6400 ISO (lower noise)
- increased buffer
- anti-dust technology
[fingers crossed] :D

Will these changes entice you to buy another body? I love my 5D and it was very expensive; Canon will have to come up with major improvements before I replace it.

[Juan Zas]

According to the Periodic Table of Canon DSRL, the 5D MkII it should have a FF sensor around 16,5 Mpx, following the new sensor technology of 7,2x7,2 um used in the 1D MkIII sensor.

http://presscorr.com/dslr/dslr.gif

[Juan Zas]

Following the wire of the Periodic Table of Canon DSRL; Geoff Costello at FM has released some info about the possible tests that Canon are realizing since some time ago, leaked partially.

I think it´s an interesting lecture, so I paste and copy here for your facility:

"Canon were testing a FF sensor last year with the same 6.4 x 6.4 pixel pitch as the 30D but with larger photodiodes and better pixel lenses. Compared to the current 1Ds II’s 7.2 x 7.2 sensors this gave a pixel density increase of 1.266 (my calculation) giving a sensor size of 21.8mp with an effective size of 21mp. This sensor also had a built in 1.255 crop mode, giving a 16.7mp 1D IIn equivalent picture. The sensor (with dual DIGIC III etc) could do 5 FPS at FF and 8 FPS in crop mode…. The photodiodes were approximately the same size as those in the 1Ds II’s 7.2 x 7.2 pixels and with the next generation noise reduction etc this sensor delivered 3200 ISO native and 6400 with High mode enabled…

And (surprise ) they were also testing a FF 16.6mp sensor with the 7.2 x 7.2 pixel size, new micro lenses and close to 5D sized photodiodes (presumably for the new high end 5D replacement). What is interesting is if you reverse the maths, for the 1.255 crop this gives you exactly the 1d III sensor when cut down from FF…. Which makes a lot of sense

Now what remains to be seen is what Canon actually release… But if I were a betting man it will be damm close to the above (ie IDs III with 21mp and the 3D or 5D Mark II with 16.7mp)

Oh and BTW the testers LOVED the image quality on both cameras…

Now since then (ie in the last 2 months) serious pre-production cameras are apperently testing in New York at selected Advertising / Fashion photography houses... However the NDA's are watertight and no one will talk... "

[AdamJL]

According to the Periodic Table of Canon DSRL, the 5D MkII it should have a FF sensor around 16,5 Mpx, following the new sensor technology of 7,2x7,2 um used in the 1D MkIII sensor.

http://presscorr.com/dslr/dslr.gif

I'll take that table with a healthy dose of salt. I seriously doubt the 5D will ever get up to 30-odd megapixels... what for?
The only reason I could think of would be to distinguish itself from the lower Canon models as they start to increase their mp size, but even then, 30+ mp is a lot of data, especially for advanced amateurs, who form a healthy population of this cameras market segment.
I could see the 1Ds getting up there though; unless Canon actually get involved directly with MF, the 1Ds will be their alternative.

[lostdoggy]

Where did the 30+MP came from???

I'm reading 21MP & 16MP, am I missing something here???

[AdamJL]

click the link in my quote.

[Juan Zas]

http://presscorr.com/dslr/dslr.gif

[MrChad]

Just curious. If you had known the 580EX was going to be replaced by the 580EX II, would you still have purchased the 580EX at the time you did?

No, I had a 420EX, and my Macro 100mm would have got me the double rebate on the camera anyhow -- I could have easily waited a few months to purchase the larger flash gun. But that's moot now, I'm not going to sell my flash for weather seals, so what-ever...

[mogearnotalent]

fingers crossed hopin for a 5D successor soon

[mogearnotalent]

does the megapixel war ever end?

[lostdoggy]

click the link in my quote.

Gotcha, I must agree that is much!!!

[lostdoggy]

does the megapixel war ever end?

Like CPU speed yeah eventually

[AdamJL]

Lol Dual Core sensors next?! Not only a camera with two digic III processors, but with two sensors, which can snap normal and infrared light :lol:

[MrChad]

Lol Dual Core sensors next?! Not only a camera with two digic III processors, but with two sensors, which can snap normal and infrared light :lol:


Kodak already has dual sensor P&S cameras.

[sumnrfam]

so now that the truth is out on the 1D Mark III. here are my predictions for the 5D replacement:

- still full frame
- will keep 12.8 MP resolution
- 5 FPS
- single DIGIC III processor
- 50 - 6400 ISO (lower noise)
- increased buffer
- anti-dust technology


[fingers crossed] :D

Okay, so...12.8 mp,,check :D // full frame,, check :D // 5fps,,check:D // 6400 iso,, check :D // anti dist(self cleaning),,check :D // WEATHER SEALING,,CKECK!! :lol: ,,that would put me over the edge,, I love my 5D,, but that would probably have taking the loss to upgrade

[cdesperado]

I'm following ya on most of that, except the 5fps. If the 5D2 has 7-8 fps it will likely earn my money. (Im not expecting weather sealing though.)

I'm torn... the 1D3 looks good, but 10.1 on a 1.3... why? why? why? Impressive, yes... but a little disappointing at the same time.

[basroil]

so now that the truth is out on the 1D Mark III. here are my predictions for the 5D replacement:

- still full frame
- will keep 12.8 MP resolution
- 5 FPS
- single DIGIC III processor
- 50 - 6400 ISO (lower noise)
- increased buffer
- anti-dust technology


[fingers crossed] :D

i'de say it'de actually go to 16mp... but it wouldn't be released for another 6-12 months... since 5d had the same pixel pitch as 1dmkII, the second comming of a 5d should have 1dmkIII pp, which means the same as the 1dsmkII

[baw5t0n]

How about 45-point focus? ok, so maybe not 45, but how about 21 or something in between??

[mogearnotalent]

still hoping for a PMA announcement

[coreypolis]

still hoping for a PMA announcement
Chuck Westfall already said thats it for PMA ;)

[Juan Zas]

More rumors about a possible Canon 6D ( a better 5D launch), but nothing specific (it´s in French):

http://www.zone-numerique.com/news_1104_Le_mirage_du_Canon_EOS_6D.htm

[JohnnyG]

Chuck Westfall already said thats it for PMA ;)
Where was that quote?;)

That would be wonderful if we really got a new 5D at this PMA! Wow!

[Hellashot]

http://presscorr.com/dslr/dslr.gif

Nice joke, whoever made it. :)

[armichael@optonline.net]

better AF-- JUST THE 45 PT-- the N has, or close to it, 5fps, dust removal...my God they have it on the XTi!!!!

[Seamless]

More rumors about a possible Canon 6D ( a better 5D launch), but nothing specific (it´s in French)

To translate part of it: "In your dreams"

[Kadath]

With the new 5D kits officially priced, I think its safe to say no 5D replacement till fall at least:
http://www.photographyblog.com/index.php/weblog/comments/new_canon_eos_prices/

[JohnnyG]

With the new 5D kits officially priced, I think its safe to say no 5D replacement till fall at least:
http://www.photographyblog.com/index.php/weblog/comments/new_canon_eos_prices/

At least in the uk! I haven't seen prices for the US yet!

[blackshadow]

I would say there will be no 5D replacement for sometime as there is absolutely no competition in the market place - Canon created and owns the high end FF prosumer market with the 5D and until someone else encroaches on sales in that market there is no compelling reason to release a 5D upgrade in any hurry - especially as the current 5D is such a wonderful camera.

I expect to see replacement models for the 30D and the 1Ds Mark II before a replacement for the 5D.

[blackshadow]

Those of you calling for weather sealing and 45 point AF are dreaming - sounds like what you want is basically a 1 series camera at a 5D price point. We'd all love that but it ain't gonna happen.

[coreypolis]

Those of you calling for weather sealing and 45 point AF are dreaming - sounds like what you want is basically a 1 series camera at a 5D price point. We'd all love that but it ain't gonna happen.
already have it, used 1d2's ;)

[JohnnyG]

I would say there will be no 5D replacement for sometime as there is absolutely no competition in the market place - Canon created and owns the high end FF prosumer market with the 5D and until someone else encroaches on sales in that market there is no compelling reason to release a 5D upgrade in any hurry - especially as the current 5D is such a wonderful camera.

I expect to see replacement models for the 30D and the 1Ds Mark II before a replacement for the 5D.

I agree that the 5D is a wonderfull camera but the price is a little too high now, don't you think? They had a $300.00 to $600.00 rebate on it for a few months. Doesn't that just kill the orders now?

[blackshadow]

I agree that the 5D is a wonderfull camera but the price is a little too high now, don't you think? They had a $300.00 to $600.00 rebate on it for a few months. Doesn't that just kill the orders now?

I think the correct price point for the 5D is about half way between the 30D and the 1D Mark IIN - if Canon feel they aren't selling enough they can always lower the price but if they lower the price too much they will lose sales at the 1D level.

I'm sure Canon keep a firm eye on their sales and if their orders are being "killed" will adjust the price accordingly.

[mogearnotalent]

if not at PMA then perhaps at the Japanese show later this month

[coreypolis]

if not at PMA then perhaps at the Japanese show later this month
never happened to date;)

Better wait till fall

[canoflan]

Sorry, but did I miss where the current 5D is called the Mark 1? You need this before Mark II, right?

[wannabegood]

Loving my 5D, unrecuperated from it's cost. Canon can create on and maybe I'll buy the 3DMkIV some day, lol!
My next camera will probably project a halogram...hmmmmm

[lostdoggy]

Sorry, but did I miss where the current 5D is called the Mark 1? You need this before Mark II, right?

1D & 1Ds never had a MKI

[ssim]

The original 1D and 1Ds were historically referred to as MK1's though they were never officially labeled as such by Canon. This was basically started by the photo community when the MKII versions were released and was an easy way to differentiate them.

Canon has historically updated their prosumer bodies about every 18 months. They have treated the pro bodies a little bit different. It is my opinion that the 5D sits sort of in between these two categories, it doesn't carry the options of the Canon labeled pro bodies in the 1 series and it is much more camera than the prosumer models of the 30D class.

Canon brought out the original 1D in October 2001. The 1D MKII was introduced in April 2004, some two and half years later. The original 1Ds was brought to market November 2002 and the 1DsMKII came out in November 2004, only two years between models. If we assume that the 5D is being treated as somewhat of a pro body and they apply the same logic to the updates, we won't see a so called 5DMKII until the fall of this year at the very earliest. FWIW, I don't really view the 1DMKII-n as a full release as it was so close to the 1DMKII with just a few minor tweaks that needed to be made.

If they are going to update a body in this category I would see it being the 1DsMKII which as been sitting as is since November 2004. This would be my personal preference. In either case whichever one they come out with I will probably upgrade.

In reality do they really need to put a great amount of focus on the FF bodies at this point in time. I have confidence that they will eventually but I see them putting their resources towards the bodies that are getting the most competition and that is in the crop factor bodies right now. While they cannot ignore the likes of Pentax, Sigma, et all, they keep a much closer eye on Nikon and it would appear that they don't have any inclination to jump into the FF market at this time.

Also FWIW, I have been keeping the following chart as they release their bodies. The source data came from Canon's museum website.

[mogearnotalent]

I keep hoping to buy a camera and have it be so good I never want to buy or look at another, did that ever happen to people in the film camera days?

[ssim]

I keep hoping to buy a camera and have it be so good I never want to buy or look at another, did that ever happen to people in the film camera days?

It happens now. There are many people that have the original Rebel and they still use it and have no intentions of changing any time soon. There are many reasons for this but the one that I hear the most is that they are content with what they have.

The casual user takes out their camera on special occasions, Christmas, holidays, etc. They get some of the shots printed at 4X6 size and are happy. It is only gadget geek in us that makes us want to continually upgrade. Unless you are shooting for a living the requirement to have the highest MP model out there is really not necessary. Even if you make large prints, it is still not necessary. I have printed from my 20D some very nice 20X30 prints that would rival film prints. You really have to divide it into the categories of need versus want. The latter usually wins out in most of us.

[baw5t0n]

Those of you calling for weather sealing and 45 point AF are dreaming - sounds like what you want is basically a 1 series camera at a 5D price point. We'd all love that but it ain't gonna happen.

They probably won't develop a new AF system only for one product, but don't you think that they could have something between 9- and 45-point AF system? That's such a huge disparity! Nine and then 45?? What happened to 10's, 20's and 30's?? I think if they can come up with something like a 21 or a 25 point system, that'd be good enough. And weather-sealed would be nice, but living in one of the driest climates, that's not so much of a concern for me. Another thing that'd be cool is a built-in remote flash trigger like the EOS-3. Eye-controlled focusing would be nice, but I don't think it would really add enough value to it... it'd be great on 1D-III, which I'm assuming is aimed at sports photographers.

[cassie83]

I predict (or, at least what I'm hoping for!! ^_^) in the fall we'll see:

* FF 12.8MP sensor with the EOS Integrated Cleaning System (any more MPs and the 5D's famous low-noise would disappear?!)
* Single Digic III with: selectable 5 and 3 fps for up to 80 full-res JPEG or 20 RAW frames in a burst
* 15-point user-selectable AF system with 6 additional assist points
* Shutter durability-tested to 150,000 exposures
* Enhanced weather resistance, but not weather sealing like the 1D

If the EOS-1D Mark III can do 10fps with 2 digic IIIs, then why not 1 digic III for 5fps?

~*~ C ~*~

My comments:
5fps will needs 2 DIGIC III processors. So it will stay at 3 fps or at most 4 fps.

[canoflan]

I don't even look at new cameras any more. I am more intent on working on my photography skills since the equipment I have is more capable than me at the moment. I quite enjoy this stage of the whole photography experience.

[NBEast]

I predict (or, at least what I'm hoping for!! ^_^) in the fall we'll see:

* FF 12.8MP sensor with the EOS Integrated Cleaning System (any more MPs and the 5D's famous low-noise would disappear?!)
* Single Digic III with: selectable 5 and 3 fps for up to 80 full-res JPEG or 20 RAW frames in a burst
* 15-point user-selectable AF system with 6 additional assist points
* Shutter durability-tested to 150,000 exposures
* Enhanced weather resistance, but not weather sealing like the 1D

If the EOS-1D Mark III can do 10fps with 2 digic IIIs, then why not 1 digic III for 5fps?

~*~ C ~*~
* 1.3x and FF have a lot more territory to cover. The Digic III is faster, so maybe 4fps on FF is reasonable.
* Self cleaning will keep up with all their new models. No brainer.
* Enhanced Sealing would make a nice wish, sigh. Nikon has it on the D200. If they plan that for the 40D, they'll have to for the 5D MkII.
* Bigger and brighter LCD.
* New battery technology (with charge info on display), like the 1D Mk III.
* 12.8 MP seems reasonable. Improved high ISO performance seems a no-brainer with the Digic II, albeit slight.

We can wish for more, but I'm not holding my breath. Also; price point will replace the 5D, and they won't blow out remaining 5D stock at the $2200 price point until the initial wave of 5D Mk II purchases are made at the $3000 mark.

[elsen029]

The original 1D and 1Ds were historically referred to as MK1's though they were never officially labeled as such by Canon. This was basically started by the photo community when the MKII versions were released and was an easy way to differentiate them.

Canon has historically updated their prosumer bodies about every 18 months. They have treated the pro bodies a little bit different. It is my opinion that the 5D sits sort of in between these two categories, it doesn't carry the options of the Canon labeled pro bodies in the 1 series and it is much more camera than the prosumer models of the 30D class.

Canon brought out the original 1D in October 2001. The 1D MKII was introduced in April 2004, some two and half years later. The original 1Ds was brought to market November 2002 and the 1DsMKII came out in November 2004, only two years between models. If we assume that the 5D is being treated as somewhat of a pro body and they apply the same logic to the updates, we won't see a so called 5DMKII until the fall of this year at the very earliest. FWIW, I don't really view the 1DMKII-n as a full release as it was so close to the 1DMKII with just a few minor tweaks that needed to be made.

If they are going to update a body in this category I would see it being the 1DsMKII which as been sitting as is since November 2004. This would be my personal preference. In either case whichever one they come out with I will probably upgrade.

In reality do they really need to put a great amount of focus on the FF bodies at this point in time. I have confidence that they will eventually but I see them putting their resources towards the bodies that are getting the most competition and that is in the crop factor bodies right now. While they cannot ignore the likes of Pentax, Sigma, et all, they keep a much closer eye on Nikon and it would appear that they don't have any inclination to jump into the FF market at this time.

Also FWIW, I have been keeping the following chart as they release their bodies. The source data came from Canon's museum website.

Hi Sheldon, did you make a small mistake? Shouldn't the 1Ds MkIII in your table, as you refer to being introduced in Feb.2007, be 1D MkIII? :confused:

Erik

[Meaty0]

never happened to date;)

Better wait till fall

Let's see. When in the hell is "Fall"....ummm...that's supposed to be Autumn I think..so that's the equivalent of our Spring....Oh Dear!...:shock: That's like....September:(:(. Oh maaaaannn! Gives me time to save up I suppose.:cry:

[jacobsen1]

My bets:

5DmII
15.3MP FF (1.5 times the 1DmIII MP)
4fps using Digic III
ISO 3200
Better AF (more sensors)
no dust sealing
self cleaning sensor
more CFs and AFs
Better battery info
Same LCD, same size

40D:
10mp (same as XTi)
self cleaner
same 5fps
better AF (5Ds af?)
Digic III with ISO 3200
Price Drop?

1DsmII:
20mp (double 1DmIII)
self cleaner
5fps (half 1DmIII)
all the same little fixes as the 1DmIII

When each will come? I'd bet the 40D and 1DsmIII come this fall, released maybe by xmas. I'd bet the 5DmII comes next summer. As everyone has mentioned there is no competition in the FF 35mm range so they have no need to update the 5D anytime soon. They do however NEED to update the 1DsmII because I'm sure MF systems are eating into that market now. They need to lower the price on the new one too IMHO, like ~$5k, or keep making the current one (like they have with the 350) dropping it's price and bring the new one on line for the current price. The 40D also needs to be updated because of the XTi and Nikons cameras.

$.02
Ben

[justisnmnz]

All I want is weather sealing and world class AF. :(

That might push me over the edge on the upgrade.

[RichNY]

All I want is weather sealing and world class AF. :(


Upgrade to a used original 1D- it will give you what you want cheap- not to mention build quality.

[graelinephotography]

Im buying as soon as the 5d has dust reduction and digic III, if the digic III is on the top it will trickle down on to the other cameras, and if they put dust reduction on the rebel it will be on any future release for them.

I hope nikon comes out with something close to the 5d around the 2200 price point so canon comes out with a new 5d that blows nikons pants off again and drops the price point.

[AdamJL]

My bets:

5DmII
15.3MP FF (1.5 times the 1DmIII MP)
4fps using Digic III
ISO 6400
Better AF (more sensors)
dust sealing
self cleaning sensor
more CFs and AFs
Better battery info
3" LCD (hell, if the 400D has it, the 5D will!)

40D:
12mp (same as current 5D)
self cleaner
same 5fps
better AF (5Ds af?)
Digic III with ISO 3200
Price Drop?

1DsmII:
20mp (double 1DmIII)
self cleaner
5fps (half 1DmIII)
all the same little fixes as the 1DmIII


I agree with most of your comments, bar the edits.

Im buying as soon as the 5d has dust reduction and digic III, if the digic III is on the top it will trickle down on to the other cameras, and if they put dust reduction on the rebel it will be on any future release for them.

I hope nikon comes out with something close to the 5d around the 2200 price point so canon comes out with a new 5d that blows nikons pants off again and drops the price point.

Digic III started on a Canon point-and-shoot camera.
If anything, it's trickling UP ;)

[tofuboy]

The only thing that would make me want to upgrade my 30D is if a prosumer body is released that has weather sealing.

[photographicsafaris]

Jessops now have the Body only version of the 5D as discontinued....

Start selling guys, the 5D is about to take a price dive.

G

[cdhender]

Jessops now have the Body only version of the 5D as discontinued....

Start selling guys, the 5D is about to take a price dive.

G

Wow, I will keep my eye out...

[John Hudson]

Jessops now have the Body only version of the 5D as discontinued....

Start selling guys, the 5D is about to take a price dive.

G

I assumed that this is because they are trying to push the new 5D kits.

Warehouse express is still selling 5D bodies (plus the kits).

[BearLeeAlive]

Jessops now have the Body only version of the 5D as discontinued....

Start selling guys, the 5D is about to take a price dive.

G
This is bad advice.

Canon would never discontinue the 5D until after the replacement model was announced.

Or, are you looking to buy another 5D and trying to scare someone into dumping theirs cheaply. ;)

[AdamJL]

Yeah I'm going with Jessops trying to push kits out. Lots of companies are doing that these days, not just with camera equipment.
GAME UK, don't advertise or sell in most stores XBox 360s or PS3s on their own, only in games bundles.

[BearLeeAlive]

Yeah I'm going with Jessops trying to push kits out. Lots of companies are doing that these days, not just with camera equipment.
GAME UK, don't advertise or sell in most stores XBox 360s or PS3s on their own, only in games bundles.
When I bought my 5D a couple months back I had to wait a couple weeks for a body only to come in. They had lots of packaged kits but could/would not take a body from them as they are all registered together.

[whoster69]

More anti-consumer practices eh? That's too bad.

[kobe629]

I hope they come out with a new 5d with the DIGIC III and anti dust thing plus iso 6400..DAM that would be nice!! But I'm guessing there won't be one till nikon comes up with something to compete with canon FF series. Where is the so call nikon D3 in production they keep taking about I wish it was true..My friend who is pro nikon keeps talking about this so called camera with live view which the mk III has and other features like the mark III but haven't see anything yet.. For once I wish nikon has something equivalent.. Go NIKON!!!

[AdamJL]

I hope they come out with a new 5d with the DIGIC III and anti dust thing plus iso 6400..DAM that would be nice!! But I'm guessing there won't be one till nikon comes up with something to compete with canon FF series. Where is the so call nikon D3 in production they keep taking about I wish it was true..My friend who is pro nikon keeps talking about this so called camera with live view which the mk III has and other features like the mark III but haven't see anything yet.. For once I wish nikon has something equivalent.. Go NIKON!!!

Sony's rumoured to be bringing a FF camera out this year or next.

[NBEast]

I hope they come out with a new 5d with the DIGIC III and anti dust thing plus iso 6400..DAM that would be nice!! But I'm guessing there won't be one till nikon comes up with something to compete with canon FF series. Where is the so call nikon D3 in production they keep taking about I wish it was true..My friend who is pro nikon keeps talking about this so called camera with live view which the mk III has and other features like the mark III but haven't see anything yet.. For once I wish nikon has something equivalent.. Go NIKON!!!
Saw a sensor test on the effectiveness of the anti-dust. Lost the link but basically, it's really lightweight. Maybe not just a gimmic, but close to it.

Digic III, even better focus and high ISO, etc would be cool.

What about Fuji's SLR. They do wonders with their tiny sensors - heard rumblings about what amazing low-noise SLR they were coming up with, then crickets (silence). What's up with that?

[Juan Zas]

Sony's rumoured to be bringing a FF camera out this year or next.

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=321893

[sboerup]

I'm still waiting for Canon to integrate a Pocket Wizard into the camera. Nikon did that with an optional adapter.

[baw5t0n]

I'm still waiting for Canon to integrate a Pocket Wizard into the camera. Nikon did that with an optional adapter.

Integrated PW for the cameras AND the flashes would be AWESOME... that IR flash thing is cool but with its limited range, it's almost useless unless inside a small space...

[Merlin Driver]

When does Canon release there new stuff cameras etc, August / September??
I'm eyeing the 5D and its my luck they will come out with something new two weeks after I purchase one....

TIA,

Lynn

[kristofor]

the original 5d was announced in late august

[JChin]

Just curious. If you had known the 580EX was going to be replaced by the 580EX II, would you still have purchased the 580EX at the time you did?

Had I known that the 580EXmkII would be more expensive, I would have bought a 2nd 580EX before they replaced it. Now I have settled for the 430EX (at least the upside is that it is physically smaller, better for vacation).

[correaphotography]

Short and sweet, the upgrade of the 5D will be long waited. Weathering costs too much, thus, will be stuck at the 1D level, or if a 3D ever comes out. Speed won't likely change, nor resolution. noise improvements, upgrade in LCD, self cleaning (like XTI), more likely. Cost will stay same.

[AdamJL]

Short and sweet, the upgrade of the 5D will be long waited. Weathering costs too much, thus, will be stuck at the 1D level, or if a 3D ever comes out. Speed won't likely change, nor resolution. noise improvements, upgrade in LCD, self cleaning (like XTI), more likely. Cost will stay same.

Honestly, if that's the case, Canon can keep their camera.
It'll take a lot more than that to get me to upgrade.

[Cr4zYH3aD]

21 mp ? FF ? Anti-dust ? New IQ technology ? well, if i had 7000$, i would buy it

[lostdoggy]

You should be able to buy 2 for $7000
But if you're talking 1DsMKIII which the spec represent then you're $1000 short. It list for $7999. But don' worry you got at least a month to dream another $1000.

[tuan209]

Maybe its wishful thinking on my part, but I do hope the new 5D MkII will sell for ~2500. I dont believe a full frame sensor in a 40D body should cost 1200 dollars more than the 40D.

[jorl]

Sorry boys, but as far as we have "listen" , and you already know that "the truth is out there"; Canon is not going to introduce any modifaction/news in the 5D line until next year (the FF market is Canon property - for the moment )

I think this is correct, i talked with the Owner of a camera shop and he said the same thing. canon will not be launching a new 5D anytime soon.

wish it wasnt true.

joel

[Sprout Crumble]

Maybe its wishful thinking on my part, but I do hope the new 5D MkII will sell for ~2500. I dont believe a full frame sensor in a 40D body should cost 1200 dollars more than the 40D.

Completely agree. The sheer level of cost difference between the 1D3 and the 1Ds3 just blows my mind. The sensor is the only difference except a few operational ones that actually favour the cheaper sibling (10fps etc).
With all this talk of better yields and single-pass manufacture, these prices are outrageous and proof that all Canons talk about FF being the future is nothing more than marketing spiel.

[lostdoggy]

Completely agree. The sheer level of cost difference between the 1D3 and the 1Ds3 just blows my mind. The sensor is the only difference except a few operational ones that actually favour the cheaper sibling (10fps etc).
With all this talk of better yields and single-pass manufacture, these prices are outrageous and proof that all Canons talk about FF being the future is nothing more than marketing spiel.

The difference between a Toyota Camry and Lexus ES350 is 4HP and a few Xtra Amenities and Toyota charges an Xtra $10000 MSRP Here in the States. Its all in the Marketing. Bedsides there is no one else with a FF sensor body that can poduce a 21MP image. The other option is MF bodies w/ Digibacks and they cost even more.

[samsen]

Did any one for real see a replacement for 5D?

[fensterbme]

Did any one for real see a replacement for 5D?

No, there is nothing at all on a 5D replacement...

5D Replacement in 2008, yes... but the question is when in 2008:
I think it's definately going to get replaced in 2008, the question most folks have is will it be a spring replacement at the spring PMA show in Jan/Feb or will they wait until the fall to show things off at Photokina. I've heard a more rumors that Canon won't plan on replacing until late in 2008, and fewer suggesting a 5D replacement in the 1st half of 2008... but they are all just rumors.

I could see it going either way... Photokina is the 800lbs gorilla of photographic shows so Canon won't want to show up empty handed to it.

To be sure the 5D replacement will be a big camera for Canon, but not as big as a replacement to the Rebel XTi/400D, which I could see being the big announcement at the fall 2008 Photokina show. It would be on track for replacement at that time, and while the 5D gets all the drool... the Rebel series camera is what moves the most units and is what means probably the most to the investors and large big box retailers, so perhaps that gets the Photokina red carpet treatment which *could* put the 5D in for the PMA show in the spring but I'm not counting on it (instead I'll be pleasantly suprised if it did arrive early).

Canon is in Business to Make Money, Not to Cater to our Photographic Fantasies:
One thing some people on this and other boards forget to think about is that Canon is a large company with many business units, camera's are only part of their overall product portfolio.. Canon as a company is in business to make money and take profits, not to make dream machines for gear freaked measurbators to drool over in the hope that the new lens, body, etc. will improve their tack sharp but wildy boring and lame photography. (note: this is not pointed at any one person just a general statement)

So in short, Canon is going to do what they will do, they care not about us little guys as we wish they did. To be sure Nikon has brought some serious compititon, but I think Canon knows people who are thinking of or wanting to buy a Canon 5D or it's replacement aren't exactly ready to jump ship off of the EOS system, furthermore there still is no full-frame competition at the price point of the 5D.

So, Will a 5D be replaced in 2008? Yes, when in 2008?... nobody has any idea.

For Me:
I'm buying the 5D as soon as a rebate is announced, if one isn't announced by mid/late October I'll be buying a 5D at whatever the market price is at that time. I can't wait longer and I need a second body... when the replacement for the 5D is released I'll likely buy that as well. I'm fortunate enough to make enough side income from my photography that it's all a write off anyway.

...just my $.02 worth, I could be wrong it's happened before.

[shannyD]

For Me:
I'm buying the 5D as soon as a rebate is announced, if one isn't announced by mid/late October I'll be buying a 5D at whatever the market price is at that time. I can't wait longer and I need a second body... when the replacement for the 5D is released I'll likely buy that as well. I'm fortunate enough to make enough side income from my photography that it's all a write off anyway.

...just my $.02 worth, I could be wrong it's happened before.[/quote]

im right there with you.

[JaertX]

So in short, Canon is going to do what they will do, they care not about us little guys as we wish they did. To be sure Nikon has brought some serious compititon, but I think Canon knows people who are thinking of or wanting to buy a Canon 5D or it's replacement aren't exactly ready to jump ship off of the EOS system, furthermore there still is no full-frame competition at the price point of the 5D.

And there are no businesses out there who are "saints" only interested in customer satisfaction. Those guys went out of business. Every camera maker is competing for our money...that's the prize for doing good business. Us nerds who like better and more technical gear reap the benefits of this competition...but in the end, it's just business on their end.

[SIMPLEPHOTOLT]

I would love to have a 5d the way it is right now with 16mp and under $3000;)

[lostdoggy]

Fenster, I can not disagree with you more on your business sense. Companies like Canon will have to listen to even the smallest possible client in order to insure future clients. It is with thier present clients that gives them inspiration to produce new and better product. If the past client didn't cried for a less expensive FF sensor body there wouldn't been a 5D since 1Ds already exists. You can look at business structures such as GM's Cadillac division which in the past relied on the 50 something to buy their cars and found that it wasn't feasible to think that their client will remain loyal when they were threaten by Mecs and BMWs. They look to younger buyers by introducing cars that would appeal to them. Canon will continue to release new produces that will entice current loyal customers to upgrade and eventually move up to the 1D series. The steps to this approach is to drop the line with the right lure like XTi then the 40D then maybe either the 5D or the 1DMKIII and finally the 1DsMKIII. Once the customer starts with one body and starts to add lenses and then L lenses to their collection they become too loyal to leave. But they can't live on bread alone, Canon must continue to lure new customer and to do that they need to have new and better product. Nikon has been to slow in the pass to introduce newer product but are now much more committed into the DSLR. This can be seen in their announcement to reduce their involvement in Film base body and to concentrate on Digital base bodies. Another market change is Sony's interest in the DSLR market. They have proven by their other market dominance and Label Loyalty customers. Sony has a very loyal fan base and will buy base on name alone. Beside this they also are very heavy into Sensor R&D and Manufacture that is very capable of producing and marketing produces quickly. This is a company with a tremendous amount of resource that can greatly accelerate future new product release cycle. Their only con currently is their inability to produc pro quality lenses, but this will change in time. Leica was in finacial trouble last year might find a suitor knocking at their doors. Zeiss is another compan that might see a change of ownership in the future. With either company Sony can become a major player in the Pro DSLR market.

[fensterbme]

Fenster, I can not disagree with you more on your business sense.

My point was Canon is in business to make money and to turn a profit, that is their primary reason for existing. To acomplish this they *do* need to deliver products the public and their customers want, to that there is no doubt. Indeed Canon and other customers listen to what people want, but just because the customer is asking for something doesn't mean it's something that is commercially viable or profitable.

There are many 'advanced hobbyists', and camera gear droolers that ask for unrealsitic product offerings at the wrong price points, without any regard to what's practical or realisitic. They in my opinion seem to think that Canon has to listen to them, but they don't (yes they hear you but it doesn't mean that a specific product or feature will make it into the end product). Canon is going to release sets of features that they think best match up to the target users that are able to afford a given price point. They also won't likley have *as much* incentive to offer features that the competior doesn't offer, not saying they don't do this... just sometimes they become less inclined. With the 5D having no real competition at the price point, they are probably a bit slower to agressively update.

Also while some conumers will grow into higher dollar cameras, most won't they will stay in their exsting track (that is most RebelXT/350D users will upgrade to later replacement versions of the products such as the Rebel XTi/400D, etc. and some may jump to a 30D/40D or even a 5D, but most won't and will stick with the Rebel product line, remember most people who buy SLR's only use the kit lens and never change it..which is very unlike your typical POTN member), the the vast majority of users who for example bought a RebelXT/350D or 30D isn't going to jump into a 1 series camera unless they become a professional or they run into a lot more money.

So I appologize if I wasn't intially clear, yes of couse Canon has to listen to customer input and to build things the customer wants to buy. But as to what Canon actually delievers as products... those requests/desires have to match up with their overall camera line up and at the price point they want that camera to be priced at.

[lostdoggy]

All you have to do is look around you and you'll find alot of 20 something out there still living at home working in their first real job making some real money. Money they have yet know how to spend. This is the clientele that the market is looking to tap into. These are the individuals who can afford to spend $500 to $600 a month to lease that luxury wheels that they always wanted and the large screen flat panle TV they need to play there XBOX 360 or PS3. They are currently the biggest target for marketers next are the 2 working parents that leave there kids at home alone day in and day out and feeling super guilty. They give these kids expensive cars to drive, phone to chat and text with and unlimited expense account to play with. These parents makes big bucks and have no time to spend it because they are too busy to slow down their career and there future. You see there is money out there you just need to look wider. Next time you see a DSLR owner watch how they hold and use their camera and you'll know they don't have any clue how to use it. But its cool to be seen using one. Daddy and mommy wants the best for junior and money is no object. They walk into the store and demand the latest and greatest and thats all that matters. Junior will play with it for a while and sell it on eBay because its fun and spend the money recreational B&D.

[fensterbme]

This is the clientele that the market is looking to tap into.

They are currently the biggest target for marketers next are the 2 working parents that leave there kids at home alone day in and day out and feeling super guilty.

There isn't one "Market", there are many markets out there and different demographics with people at different income levels and want/needs out of products, including Digital SLR cameras. This is why Canon offers products to meet different customers needs at different price points.

I guess I don't understand your post, is there a point and can you find it in yourself to use paragraphs?

I understand marketing (as someone who helped run a global web brand marketing and design company) and as a VP of a Fortune 100 company who understands that it's money and profit that makes the economy and company go around, but thanks for the lecture.

[gdl357]

All you have to do is look around you and you'll find alot of 20 something out there still living at home working in their first real job making some real money. Money they have yet know how to spend. This is the clientele that the market is looking to tap into. These are the individuals who can afford to spend $500 to $600 a month to lease that luxury wheels that they always wanted and the large screen flat panle TV they need to play there XBOX 360 or PS3. They are currently the biggest target for marketers next are the 2 working parents that leave there kids at home alone day in and day out and feeling super guilty. They give these kids expensive cars to drive, phone to chat and text with and unlimited expense account to play with. These parents makes big bucks and have no time to spend it because they are too busy to slow down their career and there future. You see there is money out there you just need to look wider. Next time you see a DSLR owner watch how they hold and use their camera and you'll know they don't have any clue how to use it. But its cool to be seen using one. Daddy and mommy wants the best for junior and money is no object. They walk into the store and demand the latest and greatest and thats all that matters. Junior will play with it for a while and sell it on eBay because its fun and spend the money recreational B&D.

I think you should just give up... There is a reason the other poster is a VP...he knows what he's talking about.

[lostdoggy]

VP is a dime a dozen these days.

VP position are made for legal reason not for the ability of the individuals. Labor laws are different for individuals with title such as VPs and such and are less protected by the law and bear greater responsibility so when **** hits the fan they can be blame and offset the company's responsibility for their acts.

And he is the type of individuals I'm talking about.

Also I never said there is one market but rather target markets. Every company have to have target market and they paid dearly for market research to find the target markets.

I guess you are not as effective as you think you are in running a fortune 100 company.

So you are a VP for a fortune 100 company. There has been CEO that have been paid ridiculous amount of money to run profitable companies that has been run to the ground by the same. To just name a few Disney, Tyco, Homedepot. Worldcom, and Enron. So before you start fling titles just to prove your point remember Kenneth Lay and all those he screwed.

So back to the OP. I forgot what my point was.

[lostdoggy]

Canon needs to release the replacement 5D soon because majority of those who are looking to move up to DSLR and have the resource to buy a 5D will end up buying a D300. Most of these protiential customers has no clue as to the benifit of FF sensor and only know that more MP are better and since 5D and D300 have the same MP count but for a $1000 less, which do you think these potential customer will buy???

So Canon will have to release the 5D replacement soon or risk loosing market shares to Noink.

[Tom W]

Sounds like somebody has a chip on their shoulder....

[-MasterChief-]

guys guys! lets get back on track here. this thread is not about Canon's and Nikon's marketing strategies rather it is purely for the up and coming specs regarding the replacement 5D. i have to admit that the D300 looks really good on paper -- whether or not Nikon can deliver come November or if Canon has something better remains to be seen. lets get back on topic shall we? ;)

[lostdoggy]

Sounds like somebody has a chip on their shoulder....

Yeah, I do. For over 20 years I haven't taken a Bus trip to AC and the One time that I did I lost money and miss the BUS coming Home. So yeah I do have a Chip on my shoulder and AC knocked it off.

[Tom W]

Yeah, I do. For over 20 years I haven't taken a Bus trip to AC and the One time that I did I lost money and miss the BUS coming Home. So yeah I do have a Chip on my shoulder and AC knocked it off.

Yikes! Las Vegas has taken a few large from me over the years, though never something I hadn't budgeted to lose. But missing the ride home would really, really stink. I've never tried Atlantic City but I suspect that the results would be the same in terms of winning. The house has favorable odds overall.

[lostdoggy]

Yikes! Las Vegas has taken a few large from me over the years, though never something I hadn't budgeted to lose. But missing the ride home would really, really stink. I've never tried Atlantic City but I suspect that the results would be the same in terms of winning. The house has favorable odds overall.

Nah, I only lost $100. No bg Deal. Missing the darn bus was the crap part and I hate bus rides to boot. The good part was finding out that one of the two bus had problem and everybody was pack into one bus. Anyway it was my buddies fault for missing the bus "...one last roll..." In end of the day, we found another bus that was willing to drop us off close to where park our cars.

[Jon_Doh]

I'm waiting on the 5d replacement. But if Canon doesn't change the specs much and stays with 12.8 mp processor then I'm changing to Nikon. Three duds (40D, 1d Mark III, 5d replacement) in a row tells me a lot about where Canon is.

[lostdoggy]

I'm waiting on the 5d replacement. But if Canon doesn't change the specs much and stays with 12.8 mp processor then I'm changing to Nikon. Three duds (40D, 1d Mark III, 5d replacement) in a row tells me a lot about where Canon is.

Can you be more specific as to why they are Duds and why Nikon have better offerings.

I look at the sample photo by Nikon from the D3 and compared them to the 1DsMKIII sample pics and they were definitely not impresive to me.

[farrukh]

I look at the sample photo by Nikon from the D3 and compared them to the 1DsMKIII sample pics and they were definitely not impresive to me.

Lol, you seem n00b by comparing those cameras that way.

[BearLeeAlive]

I'm waiting on the 5d replacement. But if Canon doesn't change the specs much and stays with 12.8 mp processor then I'm changing to Nikon. Three duds (40D, 1d Mark III, 5d replacement) in a row tells me a lot about where Canon is.
Ok, come clean, you are a Nikon mole, right? ;)
12.8 mP is the sensor size, which will likely be upgraded
The processor will be at least Digic III

[lostdoggy]

Lol, you seem n00b by comparing those cameras that way.

Its not my fault that Nikon has nothing better to compare the 1DsMKIII to!!!

So if D3 is the best that Nikon have to offer what would you compare it to?

[amoergosum]

I know that the Canon 5D and the Nikon D300 are totally different animals.
However....with the Canon fall rebate both cameras are gonna cost the same.
So there's a decision many buyers are going to make.
Wouldn't it be a smart move from Canon to announce the 5D replacement shortly
before the D3/D300 release (if there is a 5D replacement...:) )?

[Sprout Crumble]

I'm waiting on the 5d replacement. But if Canon doesn't change the specs much and stays with 12.8 mp processor then I'm changing to Nikon. Three duds (40D, 1d Mark III, 5d replacement) in a row tells me a lot about where Canon is.

:lol::lol::lol:

What a ridiculous post. In what way is the 40D a dud? Its a bloody marvelous camera for the money and, assuming the D300 image quality is even as good and thats unlikely given history and the higher resolution, you'd need to spend another $500 to get better.

As for the 1D3 being a dud, again thats laughable.

Its amazing. Wack a few shiny gadgets on a camera and people flock to it like moths to a flame. Hope you'll be happy with a Nikon.

[radiohead]

Three duds (40D, 1d Mark III, 5d replacement) in a row tells me a lot about where Canon is.

Funny, 150+ posts in a row heaping scorn on various cameras, pretty much all ill-informed cack, tell me a lot about where you are.

[JChin]

:lol::lol::lol:

What a ridiculous post. In what way is the 40D a dud? Its a bloody marvelous camera for the money and, assuming the D300 image quality is even as good and thats unlikely given history and the higher resolution, you'd need to spend another $500 to get better.

As for the 1D3 being a dud, again thats laughable.

Its amazing. Wack a few shiny gadgets on a camera and people flock to it like moths to a flame. Hope you'll be happy with a Nikon.

Totally agree with you here. The 40D is no dud in my book!

[narlus]

So before you start fling titles just to prove your point remember Robert Lay and all those he screwed.

this guy?
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/member.php?u=34100

he's been pretty helpful for me; at least his threads have.


:lol:

[jkoc]

i'm a bit surprised how there were so many rumours/speculation websites about 40D but for the '5DMarkII' there isnt much info flying around other than it might be a 40D with FF - or am i just not looking at the right sites

[kensei]

all they would have to do to sell me on it would be to up the FPS to atleast 5. id be all over a 5d then. but in all honesty look at the additions to the 40d and both new 1d cameras, that should tell you what the next 5d is gonna have.

[lostdoggy]

this guy?
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/member.php?u=34100

he's been pretty helpful for me; at least his threads have.


:lol:

Good point but you got laid by the wrong lay.

[ryleung]

After lugging my good ol' 5D around all day (and I had a nice big Op/Tech Pro Loop already!), my arms and shoulders are rather sore. But thanks to the Op/Tech, at least my neck isn't. Considering that the 1D MkIII got lighter compared to the MkII, I am now officially wishing for some weight loss in the 5D MkII.

-Lik

[Meaty0]

There isn't one "Market", there are many markets out there and different demographics with people at different income levels and want/needs out of products, including Digital SLR cameras. This is why Canon offers products to meet different customers needs at different price points.

I guess I don't understand your post, is there a point and can you find it in yourself to use paragraphs?

I understand marketing (as someone who helped run a global web brand marketing and design company) and as a VP of a Fortune 100 company who understands that it's money and profit that makes the economy and company go around, but thanks for the lecture.

You make valid points. (Incidentally, I think Fortune magazine publishes the annual "Fortune 500" list of companies...not Fortune 100.)

There is no doubt Canon is in the business of "making money, not friends", but the simple fact is, there isn't much left in their range to upgrade except the 5D. I don't doubt they've already got the upgrade ready to go (probably have had for some time), but since Nokin can't come up with a worthy rival; why not just continue to sell the current 5D as long as they can. However, they'll want something new to show off in February...what else could it be but a 5D upgrade?

[lostdoggy]

To make right in offending and defaming a member in error and as such I would like to apologize for quoting the wrong name. I intented to quote Kenneth Lay and mistakenly use the wrong first name and I'm sorry if I offended the member. So, please accept my apology Mr. Lay...

[Yohan Pamudji]

Canon rebates are out for Canada, and the 5D is the only camera on the list. Huge rebate too--$350 for just the 5D and $700 double rebate if you buy 2 items on the list. I think the February 2008 prediction is right on the money for the 5D replacement, since it looks like they're clearing out stock of the 5D.

[Punisher77]

Canon rebates are out for Canada, and the 5D is the only camera on the list. Huge rebate too--$350 for just the 5D and $700 double rebate if you buy 2 items on the list. I think the February 2008 prediction is right on the money for the 5D replacement, since it looks like they're clearing out stock of the 5D.

Where did you see the rebate?

[Punisher77]

Where did you see the rebate?

Found it...

http://www.kerrisdalecameras.com/store/uploads/CanonDoubleRebateCoupon_to123107.pdf

[KrysiaG]

Has anyone seen the rebate for the US yet?

[drogos]

it came october 15th (?) last year i think so we might wait a little longer but i think it has to get here eventually

[BearLeeAlive]

The Canadian one is almost identical (with the exception of a couple more cameras), the the one this time last year including the 5D with $350 rebate, $700 if you double up. When this offer was given last year, I felt that Canon must have an upgrade coming soon, but alas, none came and I jumped on the spring rebate and am glad I did.

[SoaringUSAEagle]

I think the US rebates will list more lenses. The Canadian rebates just seem kinda blah..... nothing I am interested in.

[BearLeeAlive]

I don't think I have never seen any of the prime L lenses in a rebate.

[drogos]

??? yyyyhhh ... i think i did ..i actually bought one

[SOT]

I would be very happy to see this! what about live view, bigger screen, weather sealing, different menu system and hihger ISO? Those would be my wants in no real order...well maybe higher ISO first.

[ryleung]

Any idea whether SD/SDHC will be supported as well? It'd sure be nice.

-Lik

[Kadath]

No, no it wouldn't.

[vreeke]

forget buffering there are almost no interesting movements longer than 2or 3 seconds bud 8 fps is a must for analysing visual moments of sports and animals so buffer 30 frames is enhough moostly

[Sfordphoto]

Methinks more like 14mp