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tim
25th of February 2007 (Sun), 04:39
Comments, critique, suggestions, and ways to improve are requested and greatfully accepted!

#1
http://mrwild.co.nz/unprotected/wp/am07/fAM139.jpg

#2
http://mrwild.co.nz/unprotected/wp/am07/fAM147.jpg

#3
http://mrwild.co.nz/unprotected/wp/am07/fAM152.jpg

#4
http://mrwild.co.nz/unprotected/wp/am07/fAM379.jpg

#5
http://mrwild.co.nz/unprotected/wp/am07/fAM459.jpg

#6
http://mrwild.co.nz/unprotected/wp/am07/fAM477.jpg

#7
http://mrwild.co.nz/unprotected/wp/am07/fAM719.jpg

#8
http://mrwild.co.nz/unprotected/wp/am07/fAM749.jpg

Nine (http://mrwild.co.nz/unprotected/wp/am07/fAM004.jpg)

Ten (http://mrwild.co.nz/unprotected/wp/am07/fAM056.jpg)

Eleven (http://mrwild.co.nz/unprotected/wp/am07/fAM551.jpg)

Twelve (http://mrwild.co.nz/unprotected/wp/am07/fAM660.jpg)

Wazza
25th of February 2007 (Sun), 04:51
Some great shots tim. # 7 looks rather familiar ;)

And also that image is probably the weakest. Something with the lighting of them in the shadow looks a bit off. Maybe a black and white high contrast could work better.

strmrdr
25th of February 2007 (Sun), 04:52
could have just been the downsize but #3 the faces look too much like clay.

#6 I dont like it.. took me a few seconds to find the rings so was like huh why is he so out of focus.

love 10 the rose is stunning

islandphoto
25th of February 2007 (Sun), 04:57
4 and 11 are my favorites. Some of these look like they are lacking contrast maybe?

tim
25th of February 2007 (Sun), 05:00
Yep we were there Wazza. #3 needs work, #7 needs brightening up, #6 maybe will choose a different version - that's as much DOF as I have though, that's what I was trying to do. #7 I was having trouble with the flash, couldn't get enough light onto them (they were in shadow on very sunny day), eventually worked out (later) the wide angle panel was down. Should've put that up, zoomed in the flash, and pointed it at them. Oh well next time. Will PP the rest for the album.

mizuno
25th of February 2007 (Sun), 05:54
Hey Tim, in a lot of ways it seems like you're probably in a very similar place to me - so please don't take this the wrong way.

I feel like I've got the basics covered and I know I can take 'nice' photos. All of these are 'nice' photos. None of them are rocking my world, though. That's not to say they're not good, solid, well executed wedding photos, they are. They're just not pushing the boundaries of creativity at all.

I've identified that for my own work to grow and improve I need to really push myself and challenge myself to capture something truly remarkable. I think you're at the same stage, too.

One of the ways I'm trying to do this is to attempt to capture motion and movement more. Capture the real expressions that happen in the flow of the moment. It's a huge challenge and it requires all my concentration to be ready at any point to capture those moments.

All these are very static and within your creative control. I want to see more from you, in the same way I'm demanding more of myself. You've proven time and again that you can nail the basics. I'm not content with just the basics, as important as they are. I'm reaching for the remarkable.

PIXI_666
25th of February 2007 (Sun), 06:11
To be honest Tim, the last few weddings you have posted i didn't think there was much creativity involved, and i didn't make any comments because i didn't want to write "I don't really like them" without having a reason....i know your shots were executed well and there was no real reason like the lighting and exposure and all of that was great....but the actual shots didnt grab me!
BUT.....in saying that i think your creative flow has come out again with these few shots...so i really like them...the rings and the cake topper shot is great!
1 and 6 i really like....
But 7 is kinda dull, love the actual backdrop and pose and everything but i think they need fill flash on the B&G.
Anyway....good job Tim im liking these ones better :)

Del

sblais
25th of February 2007 (Sun), 08:17
I really like #6. I would've kept his head fully in the shot, but I like the DOF and the focus on the rings. Certainly works for me.

One quick critique about #2: the feet are centered vertically and I don't like the negative space below the picture. May be try a different cropping?

Otherwise, the rest of my critique has already been mentioned, so no need of repeating it ;) Some very nice shots here! :D

jessiper
25th of February 2007 (Sun), 11:54
Dan and Del nailed what I've been thinking recently. I feel like you're obviously getting comfortable with your skill level, which is good, but it would be nice to see you push yourself a bit. I know it's much easier to say than do. I've been trying to do the same, but it's frustrating at times. I would like to see an interesting pose in front of that beautiful backdrop in #7, and something fun in front of the cool blue wall in #8. I do really like that rose shot w/the water, and the bridal party shot is cute. :)

monter
25th of February 2007 (Sun), 12:03
No one said anything about being able to see Tim in the rings??? that was the first thing I noticed! lol

I agree that #3 needs to have some contrast or something. I think that you did a nice job, Tim, of giving the client some great photos and giving them what they want.

tim
25th of February 2007 (Sun), 13:14
Well, you're all right, I do need to move on, I emailed my mentor and got good and similar feedback to him about my recent weddings. The tough bit is how to do it. Thanks especially to Mizuno for the help.

You can usually see me in my ring shots...

If I get time i'll post a few of the emotion shots, these are more the pretty ones. This couple weren't too demonstrative, but I got some good emotion type shots.

song4themoon
25th of February 2007 (Sun), 14:14
1 - Love it
2 - A little flat
3 - Cute for the couple
4 - Fun Shot, I like it
5 - Highlights blown out
6 - Good concept but I can barely see the rings.. the rest of the hand is too bright
7 - Cute, but a passionate kiss I think would make the image!
8 - Cute Portait.. I think I would have put her even more to the right side of the frame

_Jo_
25th of February 2007 (Sun), 14:19
I am sure the couple will be pleased - they are after all a capture of their day. As far as creativity goes, I think (and this is just my opinion) when we set out to push ourselves we are never entirely happy with the results...but when we spot an image "in the moment" and go with it - it turns out our best! I guess what I am saying is that when producing 'art' we have to be in that creative mood - (you know it! You feel it!) - otherwise we just go through the motions of getting what we need from the images but not seeking that higher level. I hope that made sense - if not I obviously need another coffee!! :)

_Jo_
25th of February 2007 (Sun), 14:34
oh - and almost forgot:

1) Love it
2) Not sure I like the angle
3) Nice father/daughter shot
4) Fun
5) A little blown out - how does it look in B&W?
6) I like the idea - but...maybe place the rings higher in the palm?
7) I don't like it - looks more like a scenic shot then B&G - were they cut and placed in the image?
8 ) I like it
9) Very nice shot of the venue
10)Nice - what about with the rings also?
11)simple + stunning
12)Love it!

sblais
25th of February 2007 (Sun), 14:34
I am sure the couple will be pleased - they are after all a capture of their day. As far as creativity goes, I think (and this is just my opinion) when we set out to push ourselves we are never entirely happy with the results...but when we spot an image "in the moment" and go with it - it turns out our best! I guess what I am saying is that when producing 'art' we have to be in that creative mood - (you know it! You feel it!) - otherwise we just go through the motions of getting what we need from the images but not seeking that higher level. I hope that made sense - if not I obviously need another coffee!! :)

Makes sense to me. Production sometimes kills creativity and there is a need to fight this tendancy.

CyberPet
25th of February 2007 (Sun), 14:47
Tim, The images are good, but just as some have already pointed out, they lack "zing!". Of this set I feel that you "get too close" sometimes. And leave little room for setting the scene (#7 and 9 are the only one really). The detail shots rocks, they are rock solid, but I'd like to see more "environment" in your next images. I'm sure you have them too, just forget to post them. :)

#1 is ok, lacks some contrast (color issues?)
#2 feels like the wrong orientation. I can't put my finger on it. Like the PP though.
#3 flat, need better PP
#4 set the scene a bit, looks like a great gang. Great job in open shade.
#5 looks a bit hot - I'd fix that in PP
#6 great idea. I'd try to tone down that hot spot to the upper left, to draw the eyes closer to the hand.
#7 not a fan at all - the flash is too obvious and isn't enough, makes them look cool, the most dominant part is the stones to the left and the blue water. Don't like that "hut" or whatever it is to the right either.. they look cramped to the right.
#8 nice portrait, but looks too cool. I'd fix her skin tones seperatly to keep the blue vibrant color.
#9 sets the scene, but the building is in the dead center, more sky or more ground, just get it off that center.
#10 nice detail, just needs more zing (contrast)
#11 Love it!
#12 Love it!

islandphoto
25th of February 2007 (Sun), 14:48
I wish I always knew how to get in the mood for creativity! I have a wedding today and what I think I'm going to do is spend about 20 minutes looking at some of my favorite photography websites. That always gives me inspiration for creativity.

strmrdr
25th of February 2007 (Sun), 15:57
I haven't followed you work as long as some but I think you have settled in to the point where your doing solid good work consistently and sometimes I think you post some problem pics to get comments :} keep it up they are the meat and potatoes of wedding photography.
But mix it up with some WOW shots too.

videochicke
25th of February 2007 (Sun), 18:10
For number 8, I would have kept just a little more of the bride's gown in the shot. People in strapless gowns often complain they look naked in pics. :oops:

tim
25th of February 2007 (Sun), 23:30
Thanks for all the feedback, it is very useful. As well as what's wrong, how you'd correct do better is also interesting reading.

I mainly do have close shots, rather than wide shots, because that's what I do. Also for the portraits we had speckled light under the trees, so anything wide would look pretty poor - too much dynamic range. At the beach I was having exposure problems, having such a massive dynamic range didn't help. There are more I could post that would show what's lacking in these, I might do that if I have time.

Interestingly, I saw the wedding photography of a very successful wedding photographer high up in the NZIPP here in New Zealand, her work was solid but nothing amazing. We have some amazing photographers too, but sometimes solid is what people want.

_Jo_
26th of February 2007 (Mon), 00:48
Interestingly, I saw the wedding photography of a very successful wedding photographer high up in the NZIPP here in New Zealand, her work was solid but nothing amazing. We have some amazing photographers too, but sometimes solid is what people want.

I really agree here. People like a few different shots, but for the most part they want the normal wedding photos. We as photographers are always striving to better ourselves and find those *wow* different shots - but what we have to keep in perspective is we do give those shots - for the B&G - they view what we are 'used' to and see *wow*. Remember - it's not every day they get married and where the B&G see a picture with a special glance at each other - they know what they are thinking in that moment - we just see a standard picture of him looking at her or vice versa. The images are special because they are in them - it's how we capture the moment that makes it a *wow* image.

tim
26th of February 2007 (Mon), 01:49
Here's a few more, as links to stick with forum rules. I think I have to tailor what I post here to suit the comments I get, though all the comments so far are right.

13. I call this one "palm hat" (and it was done on purpose)
http://mrwild.co.nz/unprotected/wp/am07/AM110.jpg

14. This couple was laughing all day, including during their ceremony.
http://mrwild.co.nz/unprotected/wp/am07/AM231.jpg

15. During the post-wedding photos.
http://mrwild.co.nz/unprotected/wp/am07/AM436.jpg

16. Nice.
http://mrwild.co.nz/unprotected/wp/am07/AM466.jpg

17. Cliche ring shot.
http://mrwild.co.nz/unprotected/wp/am07/AM535.jpg

Georgey
26th of February 2007 (Mon), 03:35
Hi Tim here is my take on them,
Really like #1
#2 I think its a very unflatering leg shot
#3 this is very grey
#4 nice fun shot
#5 high lights are blow on her dress
#6 I like this one, maybe a bit more D.O.F?
#7 Dont like
#11+#12 I like
Philip

cdifoto
26th of February 2007 (Mon), 03:43
Here's a few more, as links to stick with forum rules. I think I have to tailor what I post here to suit the comments I get, though all the comments so far are right.

13. I call this one "palm hat" (and it was done on purpose)
http://mrwild.co.nz/unprotected/wp/am07/AM110.jpg

14. This couple was laughing all day, including during their ceremony.
http://mrwild.co.nz/unprotected/wp/am07/AM231.jpg

15. During the post-wedding photos.
http://mrwild.co.nz/unprotected/wp/am07/AM436.jpg

16. Nice.
http://mrwild.co.nz/unprotected/wp/am07/AM466.jpg

17. Cliche ring shot.
http://mrwild.co.nz/unprotected/wp/am07/AM535.jpg

These are the best of all posted in this thread. They show the couple as themselves.

tim
26th of February 2007 (Mon), 03:48
These are the best of all posted in this thread. They show the couple as themselves.

Ta. Just depends what I feel like posting at the time I guess.

Key to good wedding photos : emotion + directional lighting.

Grace
26th of February 2007 (Mon), 06:40
lol... the last set is the best! Isn't it funny what people expect. I'm glad they are honest though- and it really help me see that it's normal to have not AMAZING shots every single time. I feel like my wedding Sat. was technically the best I have done- but creatively lacking. We need a POTN cheerleader to keep us all hyped!

I loved that the couple laughed all day. That's great! I'm looking forward to my "laughy" couple in March!

Grace
26th of February 2007 (Mon), 06:41
and...I'm not posting on your pics anymore until you post on mine!!!! :)

tim
26th of February 2007 (Mon), 13:08
Thanks Kathy. PM me a link i'll take a look this evening.

monter
26th of February 2007 (Mon), 18:32
I really agree here. People like a few different shots, but for the most part they want the normal wedding photos. We as photographers are always striving to better ourselves and find those *wow* different shots - but what we have to keep in perspective is we do give those shots - for the B&G - they view what we are 'used' to and see *wow*. Remember - it's not every day they get married and where the B&G see a picture with a special glance at each other - they know what they are thinking in that moment - we just see a standard picture of him looking at her or vice versa. The images are special because they are in them - it's how we capture the moment that makes it a *wow* image.


Agree 10,0000 percent!