30D and 5D Price Watch

[bwolford]

Is this the place to have a thread for monitoring price drops on 30D and 5D?

I've noticed a $100 drop on both on Adorama.com.

Brice

[roqdawg]

Best Buy has lowered the price on the 5D from it's overpriced $3299. down $300. to $2999. and currently has it on sale for $2849...
Still higher than B&H prices but could it be a Canon $300 price cut? or Best Buys? personally, I was hoping for a larger than $300 cut.
Tom

[JohnnyG]

$300.00 is not going to cut it for me! I want at least the $600.00 reduction that the rebates gave for the 5D. The double of course.

I saw the 5D at just less than $2000.00 around Christmas or January at a reputable seller. I don't remember where but it was with the $600.00 rebate.

[bwolford]

OK, if I could find a 5D with a rebate for less than $2000 I would not wait for any follow-on. I would definitely need to see something special in the 30D follow-on to change that decision.

Saw no 30D or 5D advertised in the Sunday paper. Lot's of Nikon everywhere.

Brice

[calicokat]

I might pick up a 5D if the prices get down even farther later in the year

[Kadath]

5D kits Euro priced:
http://www.photographyblog.com/index.php/weblog/comments/new_canon_eos_prices/

[bwolford]

Kadath, interesting. Don't see all those kit options in my area.

Brice

[DizzyV6P]

OK, if I could find a 5D with a rebate for less than $2000 I would not wait for any follow-on. I would definitely need to see something special in the 30D follow-on to change that decision.

Saw no 30D or 5D advertised in the Sunday paper. Lot's of Nikon everywhere.

Brice

Which means if the Best Buy rumor is correct about March 11 (Sunday) we might be seeing the 30D in its new kit/package and reduced pricing this weekend. I get my circulars on Saturdays, so I'll post my findings once I see it. Gosh...all this excitement reminds me of the battle to get a Wii, 360 or PS3. LOL

[inthedeck]

Even with the rebates though, it all decided on what lens you got, in order to have saved money. If the lens was around 600-700, then you got a great camera, plus a free lens in that price range. That's what I did.

[DannyG]

B&H has recently dropped the price of the 5D by $100 to $2699. The kit with a EF 24-105mm f/4L IS lens is $3758. But the price of the lens by itself is $1059. So the lens and body, bought separately is $3,758 or $40 less than buying the kit. Go figure. You would think that Canon would at least get the prices down, with rebate, to where they had them during the last rebate program. This is not enough incentive for me to buy.

[Beski]

B&H has recently dropped the price of the 5D by $100 to $2699. The kit with a EF 24-105mm f/4L IS lens is $3758. But the price of the lens by itself is $1059. So the lens and body, bought separately is $3,758 or $40 less than buying the kit. Go figure. You would think that Canon would at least get the prices down, with rebate, to where they had them during the last rebate program. This is not enough incentive for me to buy.


Use the PSJAN07025 Code at B&H and the 24-105 f/4L Lens comes up at $959.00 !!

[Kadath]

You really know how to hurt a guy dont you =)

[cubano100pct]

Canon if you are reading this. Drop the price on the 5D and give a rebate that will put it at $2000 and I will buy a 5D instead of waiting.

[bwolford]

Cubano, A tu orden! We'll get right on that.

Canon Customer Service

[roqdawg]

Canon if you are reading this. Drop the price on the 5D and give a rebate that will put it at $2000 and I will buy a 5D instead of waiting.

I'm down with that as well....after waiting for the phantom camera announcements that never came, I would bite at the $2000 ballpark as well. After all, it would at least save me from purchasing a 10-22mm that I would want with a crop body.
Still...it looks as thought the 5D retail price has dropped $300 to $2999, but the selling prices at Amazon and B&H have only fallen about $100 to $2699. So a couple hundred more off the street price and a $400 Spring Rebate would put me in the game.
I'm guessing that Canon does the rebate thing as apposed to dropping the retail price a whole lot, is so buyers don't get sticker shock when an upgrade is released at what would probably be a much higher price point than a price slashed older model. But how they expect to clear stock at prices that are much higher than they were for the last several months is a mystery.
I have to buy by April, so I'mma watchin...and waitin'.

Tom

[DannyG]

At $2,000, I'm a buyer as well.

[SWPhotoImaging]

At $2,000, I'm a buyer as well.

Hell, at $2000 I'll buy a second one for backup!

[JohnnyG]

Hell, at $2000 I'll buy a second one for backup!
Too bad you didn't a few weeks ago with the rebates! I saw them for less than $2000.00 with the rebates.

I was waiting for the 40D and didn't go for the 5D but in hindsight, I should have gotten the 5D because the 40D doesn't look like it's coming out anytime soon. Maybe not this year.

Now, I'm stuck. No rebates and the 5D is $600.00 more than I could have bought it for. :(

[Reverend]

Now, I'm stuck. No rebates and the 5D is $600.00 more than I could have bought it for. :(

Don't worry, you're not the only one kicking yourself. I know I am.

[Punisher77]

Now, I'm stuck. No rebates and the 5D is $600.00 more than I could have bought it for. :(

I'm pretty sure there are more rebates and package deals coming. At least that's the rumour on Northlight (http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/Canon_1DS_MkIII.html).

[JohnnyG]

I'm pretty sure there are more rebates and package deals coming. At least that's the rumour on Northlight (http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/Canon_1DS_MkIII.html).

Thanks for the quote but I check that site daily looking for some scrap of news regarding the 40D and 5D replacements.

I have noticed that those kits they talked about at PMA aren't available in the U.S. so I'm wondering about these price cuts??? I can't imagine they wouldn't be for the U.S. though. And, of course, just how much of a cut will they be? I hope they equal the last cut but doubt it.

[Glenn NK]

Every forum had predictions on the replacement for the 30D since mid-October (which hasn't happened).

The 5D is six months older, and I haven't seen one rumour of the replacement for this model.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/compare_post.asp?method=sidebyside&cameras=canon_eos5d%2Ccanon_eos30d&show=all

I'm not predicting anything, but logic seems to indicate that the 5D replacement will be next in line.

What does everybody else think?

[JohnnyG]

Every forum had predictions on the replacement for the 30D since mid-October (which hasn't happened).

The 5D is six months older, and I haven't seen one rumour of the replacement for this model.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/compare_post.asp?method=sidebyside&cameras=canon_eos5d%2Ccanon_eos30d&show=all

I'm not predicting anything, but logic seems to indicate that the 5D replacement will be next in line.

What does everybody else think?

What I think doesn't count because if Canon was listening, I would have a 40D on order now! :)

Seriously though, I think you may be right which would excite me except I know it will cost more than the current one. At least as much as it started out for, whatever that was. Around $3000.00 at least, I would expect.

I've been waiting for the 40D but it looks like that won't happen this year or at least, this spring. Maybe this fall. I'm not sure I will be happy with the features on it though. I've heard quite a few predictions of another "warmed-over" upgrade like the 30D was. I'm really not interested in that. I want something more exciting. Maybe a 5D if I can stand losing the crop factor. I know people say you're not losing anything but my long lens will have less effect and that's a fact, not an idea.

Bottom line: The good news is if they do replace the 5D with the 6D or something, it will bring the used price of the 5D down somewhat and maybe then I can get one. Who knows?

[Glenn NK]

I know people are expecting some near miracles with the "40D", but does Canon have enough room between the 30D and the 5D for example.

I've seen wishes for FF, faster fps, and more MP for the "40D" among others, but these features crowd either the 5D or the One series. Canon has to have some room between models to justify the cost of the higher priced cams.

How much "warming" can we really expect to happen on the 30D? It's rugged, has good fps, has a glass filter over the sensor (making wet cleaning less hazardous than on the coated sensors of the 400D and 5D for example), and its IQ compares favourably with the 400D yet its "only" 8.2 MP. There isn't much to add except maybe weather sealing and a few MP. Hopefully it doesn't get "ultrasonic sensor cleaning" - IMO, this is only a partial solution, and the trade-off seems to be a less durable sensor surface - there was a poor chap that showed us a pic of his 5D sensor, and the concensus was that he'd scrubbed the indium tin oxide coating off the central area. Optical glass is difficult to scrub off.

I agree about the 5D pricing - I think it's going to fall some more.

[JohnnyG]

I know people are expecting some near miracles with the "40D", but does Canon have enough room between the 30D and the 5D for example.

I've seen wishes for FF, faster fps, and more MP for the "40D" among others, but these features crowd either the 5D or the One series. Canon has to have some room between models to justify the cost of the higher priced cams.

How much "warming" can we really expect to happen on the 30D? It's rugged, has good fps, has a glass filter over the sensor (making wet cleaning less hazardous than on the coated sensors of the 400D and 5D for example), and its IQ compares favourably with the 400D yet its "only" 8.2 MP. There isn't much to add except maybe weather sealing and a few MP. Hopefully it doesn't get "ultrasonic sensor cleaning" - IMO, this is only a partial solution, and the trade-off seems to be a less durable sensor surface - there was a poor chap that showed us a pic of his 5D sensor, and the concensus was that he'd scrubbed the indium tin oxide coating off the central area. Optical glass is difficult to scrub off.

I agree about the 5D pricing - I think it's going to fall some more.

I think one of the problems with a 30D replacement is that the 30D is so darn good! Replacing it with a worthy upgrade will move it up against the 5D. Your comments are right on.

I think we need to look at the Nikon D200 which is a benchmark camera in that price range. The 30D replacement will have to beat the Nikon and maintain the price range. That will be difficult.

According to an industry source, the Nikon D200 was designed to compete with the Canon 5D. The Nikon is 10mp and the 5D is 12mp and a lot of the other features are the same. The 5D lists for $2799 and the Nikon D200 for $1499.

There is definitely room between them at $1899 for example. The 30 replacement could be at 12mp, some sealing, 5 fps, dust removal, and still come in around $1899. I think they will definitely have to beat the D200 so the price can be higher but still not too high. Maybe $1899 is too much for that class so it may have to come in around $1499 to $1599 with less features.

Just a thought.

[Glenn NK]

Hi John:

If I had the 20D, I still wouldn't buy the D200 - I've seen some IQ results of the Noink, and they were not too good (I'm actually being kind).

In fact if I had the 20D, I don't think I would be looking at replacing it with anything really soon. The 30D is a refined 20D, but the end result is Image Quality, and they are the same machine in that department.

More and better glass would be a better investment IMO.

[JohnnyG]

Hi John:

If I had the 20D, I still wouldn't buy the D200 - I've seen some IQ results of the Noink, and they were not too good (I'm actually being kind).

In fact if I had the 20D, I don't think I would be looking at replacing it with anything really soon. The 30D is a refined 20D, but the end result is Image Quality, and they are the same machine in that department.

More and better glass would be a better investment IMO.

I agree!

But, the industry gives high marks to the D200 so that's important to Canon and is why they need to compete with it.

I wouldn't get the D200 personally. The only reason I want a new camera is lust I guess. I just want a new Canon camera at least as good as my 20D which I love and hopefully better. But, no argument on the quality of the 20D, I agree with you. The technology is 2 1/2 years old though and it's time to move on.

I agree with more/better glass! That's always true!!!

[bwolford]

The 30D and 5D prices went back up at Adorama... Seems to correlate to the release of the new 30D kit. Used to be you could buy the individual components for the less than the kit, but they increased the body price so it's cheaper to buy the kit again...

Time to wait for a rebate...

[JohnnyG]

The 30D and 5D prices went back up at Adorama... Seems to correlate to the release of the new 30D kit. Used to be you could buy the individual components for the less than the kit, but they increased the body price so it's cheaper to buy the kit again...

Time to wait for a rebate...
Yeah, it sure makes sense to me! When sales drop off, raise the prices.:rolleyes:

[DannyG]

Looks like B&H have bumped their 5D price up $100, back to where it was a few weeks ago. I wish they would stop playing games. So what are they going to do, slowly bump up the price so when a rebate comes out it's a net 0 savings?

[BLEITH1965]

DannyG Sounds like you hit the nail on the head with all these camera price-ups

[JohnnyG]

Looks like B&H have bumped their 5D price up $100, back to where it was a few weeks ago. I wish they would stop playing games. So what are they going to do, slowly bump up the price so when a rebate comes out it's a net 0 savings?
Retailers don't pay rebates, camera companies do. So how does a retailer (B&H in this instance) get less because of a rebate in reference to the "net 0 savings?"?

I believe there is some confusion here on who pays the rebate.

Or I am missing something that is being said here which is very possible?;)

[Seamless]

The result is a net 0 savings to the consumer.

A retailer would be smart, realizing that sales are stalled awaiting product refresh, and there is a pent-up demand awaiting a signficant rebate offer soon, to increase their price slightly in an attempt to build up the profit margin of sales expected to occur as a result of the rebate.

Retailers don't pay rebates, camera companies do. So how does a retailer (B&H in this instance) get less because of a rebate in reference to the "net 0 savings?"?

I believe there is some confusion here on who pays the rebate.

Or I am missing something that is being said here which is very possible?;)

Looks like B&H have bumped their 5D price up $100, back to where it was a few weeks ago. I wish they would stop playing games. So what are they going to do, slowly bump up the price so when a rebate comes out it's a net 0 savings?

[InZone]

So what are you lowest prices for a 30D and a 5D?

The lowest prices I found:

5D: 2200 Euro = 2926.44 US$
30D: 935 Euro = 1243.737 US$

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