Slagging off from unamed magazine...

[tipsy]

hi guys, after years of succesful photography and a long list of magazine credits, gigs, and staffing, i just got majorly burnt by a big name music magazine.

I'm not going to mention which, but id appreciate some feedback if you think i deserved this response...

By the way, the blurryness and out of focus they mention is a technique i was trying at one gig, to create a distorted and flared effect, and i've had positive feedback about that before.

Quote:
i feel that they dont represent (magazine)s style
of photography, they are very closely cropped, so could have been taken
anywhere, Their composition is bland and not very good. To me the majority of the images seem out of focus and the exposure
could be longer or ISO faster to gain lighter colour, some images are just too
dark. Many of them are blurred.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanatkinsonphotography/401969456/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanatkinsonphotography/389173529/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanatkinsonphotography/401965959/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanatkinsonphotography/389173135/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanatkinsonphotography/389172464/

[cosworth]

5 red Xs here.

[tipsy]

Thats a bit crap, take a look at my portfolio on my website, see if they merit that kind of a response.
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[cosworth]

Thats a bit crap, take a look at my portfolio on my website, see if they merit that kind of a response.
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Uh, I'm sorry you don't agree with my response as I only see 5 red Xs in place of your pictures. I can't see them. You must be new to the internet. Red X means no pic.

As for the Chinese spammer above, wow.

[tomd]

you have a long user/forum name!

[tipsy]

Uh, I'm sorry you don't agree with my response as I only see 5 red Xs in place of your pictures. I can't see them. You must be new to the internet. Red X means no pic.

As for the Chinese spammer above, wow.

misunderstanding i see, i meant the response i got from the magazine. no i am not new to the internet i know what 5 x's mean and thats why i said you can see them in the portfolio on my website instead...

[narlus]

those sneakers are not blurry.

[cosworth]

Calendar is spelled wrong on your website ryan.

[tipsy]

I knew letting my illiterate web designing brother do my site was a bad idea
cheers for the heads up.

[narlus]

you are gonna have to spoon feed us a bit more here...which specific images from yr portfolio are you talking about?

and unless you haven't updated yr profile in a while, are you inflating yr 'years of successful photography' a bit? the profile claims you are 18. when did you get started? most clubs around here are 18+, and i highly doubt you got pit access to big shows straightaway.

[narlus]

I knew letting my illiterate web designing brother do my site was a bad idea
cheers for the heads up.

you spelled 'leprechauns' wrong too. ;)

[tipsy]

they said that about ALL of the images.

i started photographing at 10, 8 years, maybe you read that as an exageration i dont know. ive been doing music photography for the past 3, and ive been doing big venues for the past 1 and a bit.

[sageone]

I'd say something like, "While I disagree with your summary of my work, I do appreciate your constructive criticism and honesty. I hope that this job will not affect your decision to engage my services for another shoot as this series is not representative of my work in total."

While it does suck to have someone crap all over your work when you think it's great, it's never good to burn a bridge. If you don't care about the relationship with the magazine, tell the person to go fly a kite and take their own pics.

[Eyelikedurt]

sage advice from sageone .... what else would we expect? :D I agree

[sageone]

Ha! Me, a Sage? nah...I'm just a thug with a camera who has decent customer service skills being that I'm in PR.

[narlus]

well i don't see what they mean about blurred; to me, i was thinking longer exposure yielding motion blur, and i didn't see any which fit that bill . which are the purposely out of focus shots you tried at a gig? and for what purpose, flare?

i do think a fair lot of them are a bit too dark for magazine publication, but i think the 'bland composition' criticism was uncalled for.

[tipsy]

Cheers Narlus. it was the one titled Me without you, where the guy is reaching towards the camera. i took my anti reflective filter off and thought i'd see what happend. i kinda like it.

yea some are too dark, they were shot on a 300D with not so good noise/iso ratio. solved that now, bought a 20D.

yea i emailed the magazine back thanking them for the criticism but asking them not to rule out furute work :)

Cheers guys, you have saved me from a severe loss of confidence.

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[DwightMcCann]

Don, irrespective of your disreputable career, your advice is sage and is the only appropriate response. Tipsy, you need to step out of your upset and focus on your goal. If the goal is to do professional concert photography then you absolutely must put yourself in the client's position, accept that they are right, and determine what you need to do so that this isn't an issue in the future. Fretting about being "right" or "wrong" or whatever serves no useful purpose and will only lead to more unnecessary upset and potential bridge burning. Having us vindicate you by saying your images are splendid is not the issue and is hardly interesting. The only question is how you will take advantage of this valuable feedback and profit by it. This may be very difficult to take at 18 but at 61 I can tell you that anything else is dysfunctional and a waste of your valuable time and energy. Make it work for you rather than against you.

[tipsy]

Thanks for the advice. i am by no means wanting to hear that my images are splendid. i may already be taking photos for big bands at big venues, but i know i have a LONG way to go.

I do indeed appreciate their feedback and am already considering how i can go about impoving my photography, the first step as i say having upgraded my camera to one that can cope better in low light.

neither am i disputing the fact that they are 'right' or 'wrong,' but purely the fact that i considered their feedback to be overly harsh towards my work, it would have been enough to say that they diddnt like it, they thought it was blurred etc, but i think in refering to them as 'bland composition' as narlus says was overly harsh of them.

Anyway, thanks for the reponses guys, and before you take what you will from this post, i would just like to make clear that i am by no means an immautre childish 18 year old who cant take creative criticism. 18, im my country that makes me an adult, (not sure that is justifyed though, for starters, i apparently cant spell my own email address...)

:)

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[DwightMcCann]

I certainly didn't mean to be condescending at all. The comment about my age (versus yours) was only meant to convey that these things will happen to you all your life and after a while you realize it is not you, it is them, and just take it for what it is worth. Maybe this sod was having a terrible day ... maybe his daughter just got knocked up or his wife ran off with her girlfriend or he found out his girlfriend has herpes ... who knows, but it doesn't matter. What matters is whether you can overcome the criticisms and not get emotional ... it is a waste of your time and talent.

Thanks for the advice. i am by no means wanting to hear that my images are splendid. i may already be taking photos for big bands at big venues, but i know i have a LONG way to go.

I do indeed appreciate their feedback and am already considering how i can go about impoving my photography, the first step as i say having upgraded my camera to one that can cope better in low light.

neither am i disputing the fact that they are 'right' or 'wrong,' but purely the fact that i considered their feedback to be overly harsh towards my work, it would have been enough to say that they diddnt like it, they thought it was blurred etc, but i think in refering to them as 'bland composition' as narlus says was overly harsh of them.

Anyway, thanks for the reponses guys, and before you judge me for the post, i would just like to make clear that i am by no means an immautre childish 18 year old who cant take creative criticism. 18, im my country that makes me an adult, (not sure that is justifyed though.

:)

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[tipsy]

And that, Dwight, put a smile upon my face. i'm not sure its a good thing to be laughing about the possibility of some pretentious art editor with herpes, but ah well, it passes my evening.

i dont belive i introduced myself by the way. joined this forum last week, quickly became depressingly addicted, Ryan, 18 year old media student, UK. Howdy!
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[bacchanal]

I don't mean to be critical, since I'm far from a pro, but I think your web portfolio could use a little more variety. The majority of the pics on your website are half-body or tighter crops, with only a few exceptions. You do have some great compositions, but not a huge variety in perspective. Maybe that is what they were getting at.
The photos in general do look a little soft to me too. Sharpness can be a bit of a preference thing, and is certainly a balance when dealing with noise, but none of your images even approach what I would call oversharpened. Did you sharpen after resizing for the web?
About the darker images, maybe best to reprocess or not include them in your 'portfolio' if you're trying to attract larger publications (for example chris_lung_and_band2.jpg and iforward_russia_3.jpg).

[tipsy]

no, please do be critical, i like critical. i'm in the process of redoing my portfolio, adding pictures, taking some away. the tightness is no longer an issue. i recently bought a 24-70mm f2.8, before that i was working on a 50mm prime not allowing much variation.
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[bacchanal]

Yeah, I feel you. I started with a 50 1.4, and now I have a couple more lenses (granted its only been since October and I'm not attempting to put together a portolio), but life is much better now that I have more than one choice of focal length. ;)

Go show them what you can do with an L

[tipsy]

Oh im not rich enough to own an L, some day though, some day. the one i have is the siggy version :)

[bacchanal]

hehe my bad, well I'm sure the sigma will serve you well.

[DwightMcCann]

Well, Tipsy, if you get out my way I'll go shooting with you and you can try some of my 'L' glass.

[tipsy]

highly unlikely on my budget, i'm visiting nashville Tennesee in the summer wherever that is. oh to own an 'L'...

[tipsy]

and i quite like that, its short and catchy and spealt correct. any way you can change my user name to 'tipsy' using your super uber moderator powers?

[DwightMcCann]

and i quite like that, its short and catchy and spealt correct. any way you can change my user name to 'tipsy' using your super uber moderator powers?
The only power I have is excellence ... you'll have to talk to someone else about changing things at POTN!

[tipsy]

I see, excellence eh?, what does that do for you? can you shoot laser beams out of your eyes? if not i'm not interested, who do i talk to about that?

[johnstoy]

Well yeah, Hello.... I got powers... but they are secret. :p :rolleyes: :lol: :lol: :D

[tipsy]

moderator powers by any chance? perhaps the ability to change a user name?>
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[johnstoy]

Can't tell ya...they be secret...

[tipsy]

Well, perhaps if you do, you could 'secretly' change my username to just 'tipsy' as it has been mutually agreed by numerous members that adozentipsyleprachauns is a) too long and b) spealt wrong...

[DwightMcCann]

Can't tell ya...they be secret...
Oh, John, you're pulling the kid's chain! Tipsy, there's a list of moderators at the bottom of the list of threads ... click on a name and send a PM (private message) to any of them.

[tipsy]

Hah, okay cheers Dwight. I see it's pick on the new kid day. well ill show you, i'll have my post count up to over 1000 in no time, and then i will be one of you and you shall be forced to accept me with open arms.*evil cackles*

[DwightMcCann]

Hah, okay cheers Dwight. I see it's pick on the new kid day. well ill show you, i'll have my post count up to over 1000 in no time, and then i will be one of you and you shall be forced to accept me with open arms.*evil cackles*

Oh, crap, not that "open arms" stuff again ... I always get a knee in the lower parts when I do that! Did you find the list of moderators?

[johnstoy]

Well, perhaps if you do, you could 'secretly' change my username to just 'tipsy' as it has been mutually agreed by numerous members that adozentipsyleprachauns is a) too long and b) spealt wrong...

Now we're talkin'...there is a chance a moderator will see your request now and know what to do...I would do what Dwight recommends, and that is to send a Private Message to a moderator of your choice...

Oh, John, you're pulling the kid's chain! Tipsy, there's a list of moderators at the bottom of the list of threads ... click on a name and send a PM (private message) to any of them.


Geez Dwight, I had no idea I had anyone goin' for my stupid antics/low mileage comedy act...

I've got to post process another 70 pictures to pick out the best ones, and just can't seem to get started...

Well, now that you broke up this sad excuse for a joke, I'll just go back and work on my PP...


So adozentipsyleprachauns, just ignore me...I'm having one of those awkwardly confusing days...

[Grey56]

I'm going to go ahead and agree with bacchanal. Your portfolio definitely needs variety. I try not to have more than one picture from any one show, unless I absolutely love two. But never more than two. You've got to show that you can be versatile. This new lens you speak of may help.

Also, you should be the one being extremely critical of your own work. Only post the best. Some are too dark (for example, the last one).

Again agreeing with bacchanal, I also think the images are a bit soft. Sharpening for the web is a must. The extent is your choice.

That being said, my fav from your portfolio is on the first page, titled imogen_heap. Actually, you said you get into big name venues with big name stars - have you posted any of these? Ten is awful young to start, so I commend you. I've only been doing this three years. It's still fun for me, so I'll keep at it.

Cheers then. Please keep posting pix! :)

[tipsy]

i did indeed, i PM'd who appears to be a so called 'senior mod' with super mod powers, let us wait and see.... in the meantime i shall keep posting to raise my count and speed up my master plan of forum domination... one would have thought i have better things to do with my time at 12 at night, like sleep for instance.

[tipsy]

i say big name big venues. i mean big name big venues i nthe UK, and the rules are probably different to america. the good news is i may be getting a photopass to the fabled 'Reading Festival' this year... thatl provide some nice pics.


oooer

Next job, 24th this month, the young knives, funfunfun

[DwightMcCann]

i did indeed, i PM'd who appears to be a so called 'senior mod' with super mod powers, let us wait and see.... in the meantime i shall keep posting to raise my count and speed up my master plan of forum domination... one would have thought i have better things to do with my time at 12 at night, like sleep for instance.
Oh, geez, that's probably one of the old, worn-out ones, like Belmondo, sigh, who'll simply be confused because you woke him up. :rolleyes: As for forum domination, be careful what you seek ... you might get it and then discover "the truth" but too late to back out.

Jennifer offers excellent advice ... in general, "only let them see your absolute best work without repetition!"

[tipsy]

i do hope if haven't disturbed some overzealous mod with an all-mighty smite button from his afternoon slumber...

[CanonXTuser]

.... i think in refering to them as 'bland composition' as narlus says was overly harsh of them.



lol. dwight referred to one forumites photography as bland/plain and that really ticked them off. and dwight called my photos bland action wise also.

so the irony cracks me up seeing dwight trying to give you perspective. lol. i mean this in good fun. to me, the irony is just funny :)

[CanonXTuser]

Again agreeing with bacchanal, I also think the images are a bit soft. Sharpening for the web is a must. The extent is your choice.

That being said, my fav from your portfolio is on the first page, titled imogen_heap.

agree with grey and bacchanal. most of the images seem soft focused and also dark.

the imogen heap pic is the pic that caught my attention the most also. i would feature that one.

p.s. i think like i told the guy that got pissed off at dwight, you got to allow people to have different tastes than yours and give them credit for honest opinions. i mean. do you think they are deliberately trying to hurt you by saying something they honestly don't believe?

what puzzles me is that you don't make reference to the pics in the mag. presumably you've looked through at least one and preferably several issues of the magazine you want to submit to in order to get a sense of the style and quality of the photos.

so you should have a sense of whether what they say is true or not, ie. photos are not as closely cropped as yours; photos feature more "action"/"expressions" etc. than yours, etc.

p.s. great to see you hanging out on the forum. stick around and keep contributing.

[DwightMcCann]

lol. dwight referred to one forumites photography as bland/plain and that really ticked them off. and dwight called my photos bland action wise also.

so the irony cracks me up seeing dwight trying to give you perspective. lol. i mean this in good fun. to me, the irony is just funny :)
Well, ****, Canon, your images are bland! Anything that dark has got to be bland, prime facie! :lol: And truth to tell, this kid is so upset that I haven't even looked at his pictures yet ... but I am sure they are bland, too! :rolleyes: Now, explain where that irony is again, please. :evil:

[tipsy]

Oh you are a jem dwight. i wouldnt say upset, as i keep reitterating, just a tad miffed at the harshness of the response, however true it may be. Tra la la. i'll get over it. might try again later this year- the bridge is still well and truly open apparently, if they see improvement, which i intend to show them...

[Steve Parr]

Hmmm... I may be missing something here.

You say you were "slagged"; not exactly sure what that means, but I'm assuming they didn't like your shots. What magazine? Is there somewhere we can look to see what they said?

This is mildly confusing. Maybe I missed it, but I haven't seen a critique of your work by the magazine.

Now, for my own critique:

The shots in your portfolio, for the most part, are pretty dark. For me, personally, most are poorly composed. There was one which suffered not motion blur; it was simply out of focus. That's not something you want to put on your site.

My intent here isn't to be critical, but rather to point out that we, as photographers, may have this inate belief that everyone's going to love our photographs, and that's just not the case. I've posted shots here, thinking they were the best thing since white toothpaste, and they've been torn apart.

Opinions are only that. Don't read too much into them, but certainly try to cull some useful information from them. If someone says my picture "is poorly composed such that it looks like he's been drinking for the better part of four days", I'll dismiss the part about my drinking and examine the part which says it's poorly composed.

One thing I've learned is that "thick skin" helps.

I'd like to see more from you; maybe shake up the "style" aspect a little bit...

[tipsy]

it says it in the opening post what they said, and for my own reasons i dont wish to disclose what magazine. i know which shot you mean about the out of focus one, but i have had a lot of positve feedback about that from people i know saying they like i because it's different and for the simple reason that it isn't perfect. dont know, but they seemed to like it.

anyways, if in your opinion my shots are poorly composed, what would you like to see different? any reccomendations?

and as i have said to everyone, thanks for the feedback. and i have figured maybe some of my better images arent infact in my portfolio, wheras some of my not so good ones are. i belive it will be under going a hard core updating this evening...
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[René Damkot]

By the way, the blurryness and out of focus they mention is a technique i was trying at one gig, to create a distorted and flared effect, and i've had positive feedback about that before.

Hmmm, I personally have some problems seeing 'out of focus' as a 'technique' in Performing Arts. Blurryness okay, OoF: No.

No to anilize the comments:

i feel that they dont represent (magazine)s style
of photography,
Entirely possible, since I don't know the magazine. If you are going to shoot for a magazine (or any other customer), make sure you know what they expect and like.
they are very closely cropped,
True, or rather: I see a lot of 'solo' artists, and little groups or overviews. You might want to vary a bit.
so could have been taken anywhere,
I think what he meant to say here is: he'd like to have seen something of the venue or the atmosphere of *this particular gig*. Briefing is important. He should have said it, and you should have asked if it's a commissioned job, if you just sent in images to the mag, well: you know it now ;)
Their composition is bland and not very good.
That 'not very good' is taste related. I'd say an editor has seen a lot, so has some experience, but there can also be a difference in taste. Find out which is it.
To me the majority of the images seem out of focus and the exposure
could be longer or ISO faster to gain lighter colour, some images are just too
dark.
Nice that he tells you how to do the job, isn't it ;)
On the comment:
*Seem* out of focus: Maybe sharpen more, cause I've got images that are *massively* OoF, but can pass for sharp at web resolution (800x533 px).
On the *too dark* part: I tend to agree with that on some images (like in the 'mewithoutyou' and '!Forward Russia!' set.)
If you like this style, be *very* carefull that you execute it perfectly, so it doesn't just look underexposed, but 'low key'.
Then again: now you know this magazine likes lighter 'standard' exposed images.

Many of them are blurred.
See above. Sharpen?
(I don't see it by the way)

I'd say something like, "While I disagree with your summary of my work, I do appreciate your constructive criticism and honesty. I hope that this job will not affect your decision to engage my services for another shoot as this series is not representative of my work in total."

Very nicely said.

Opinions are only that. Don't read too much into them, but certainly try to cull some useful information from them. If someone says my picture "is poorly composed such that it looks like he's been drinking for the better part of four days", I'll dismiss the part about my drinking and examine the part which says it's poorly composed.

Good point as well...

[tipsy]

cheers Rene, top advice.

yea the tightness as i have explained is mainly due o the fact that until recently i was limited o a prime 50mm lens. not any more though and this is sorting itself out. i only included the slightly out of focus one beacuse many people said they like it, now i'm thinking differently. the dark images were taken in a smaller venue with EXTREMELY poor lighting. i shot them on a 300D with crap iso/noise rating, hence the darkness.

i will experiment with post processing sharpening, so far i havn't liked it because its given some photos a fake feel, but more exploration is in order i belive.

thanks mate,
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[bmoguy]

i only included the slightly out of focus one beacuse many people said they like it, now i'm thinking differently.
I don't know which photo it is as I just gave your gallery a quick glance, but.. Just based on the comments in here, unless you feel that photo is critical to in showing your talent to those viewing your portfolio, it should be taken out.

[shesgotthepic]

they said that about ALL of the images.

i started photographing at 10, 8 years, maybe you read that as an exageration i dont know. ive been doing music photography for the past 3, and ive been doing big venues for the past 1 and a bit.


My understanding of what magazines want is high contrast, pictures where you can see details and not artsy fartsy stuff.

Artsy pictures are for the walls at home. Print need something different.

I have always shot as a hobby and always had my walls in mind when shooting. Lately I've started experimenting and changing my style slightly and now I am starting to get requests for shots for websites, tourprograms and news papers.

I still shoot the artsy stuff for my own enjoyement but it does feel nice that other people are starting to ask for my work.

So in general I think the magazine is pretty spot on in their comment. It hurts to get negative critisism but use it to your advantage and learn from it.

She

[CanonXTuser]

Well, ****, Canon, your images are bland! Anything that dark has got to be bland, prime facie! :lol: And truth to tell, this kid is so upset that I haven't even looked at his pictures yet ... but I am sure they are bland, too! :rolleyes: Now, explain where that irony is again, please. :evil:

the irony is that you and I know each other are good people :D


p.s. just to squash any idea of me having any animosity dwight. i love your pics as you know as well as like mine. sad if you think my style is bland but that does not change that i like your pics and i like you! you're totally free to have your own tastes. the world is more interesting that way.i wouldn't want it any other way!

[CanonXTuser]

it says it in the opening post what they said, and for my own reasons i dont wish to disclose what magazine. i know which shot you mean about the out of focus one, but i have had a lot of positve feedback about that from people i know saying they like i because it's different and for the simple reason that it isn't perfect. dont know, but they seemed to like it.

anyways, if in your opinion my shots are poorly composed, what would you like to see different? any reccomendations?

and as i have said to everyone, thanks for the feedback. and i have figured maybe some of my better images arent infact in my portfolio, wheras some of my not so good ones are. i belive it will be under going a hard core updating this evening...
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you seem to know the magazine and thus, seen the pics they publish.

could you advise how you think your pics compare to what you've seen published?

[DwightMcCann]

the irony is that you and I know each other are good people :D


p.s. just to squash any idea of me having any animosity dwight. i love your pics as you know as well as like mine. sad if you think my style is bland but that does not change that i like your pics and i like you! you're totally free to have your own tastes. the world is more interesting that way.i wouldn't want it any other way!
Sheesh, you gonna' "nice" me to death? ;) Yes, yes, I like you. I like your style. I like reason over emotion in criticism (not that I am able to do so myself). I like "Rule of Law" rather than "Rule by Law". OTOH, I am usually pleasantly surprised that people like my stuff. Hey, Tipsy, how about commenting on some of my posts? And read the FAQ!

[Steve Parr]

anyways, if in your opinion my shots are poorly composed, what would you like to see different? any reccomendations?


Well, the first thing to do is get them brighter. After that, I think composition could be more accurately addressed. Seriously, on some of them, I'm having a difficult time being able to tell what I'm looking at...

[tipsy]

I've addressed this issue with new kit that copes better in low light.

next big job is the 24th this month. ill post some then and see what you think...

[butcha27]

So in the first intance was this a public "slagging off" as you put it or was it a private knock back of sorts? I agree whole heartedly that they did not have to use the wording they did and that it may have been put a lot better if they chise to not use your work in this instance howerver i always thought slagging off was more of a public ridiculing type thing. Hopefully they use your work in the future, it'd be nice to rub it in their faces

[DwightMcCann]

So in the first intance was this a public "slagging off" as you put it or was it a private knock back of sorts? I agree whole heartedly that they did not have to use the wording they did and that it may have been put a lot better if they chise to not use your work in this instance howerver i always thought slagging off was more of a public ridiculing type thing. Hopefully they use your work in the future, it'd be nice to rub it in their faces

It is never necessary to "rub it in their faces" ... what you want is to become a productive partner in the entertainment process and a beneficiary, financially, of your valuable work. Revenge is, well, um, er, how to put this ... either for kids or "...mine, sayeth the Lord." One of the big problems with acting out your upset is that the upset gets all the attention and your message gets lost in the shuffle. As they say at all the big fires, "Remain calm."

[butcha27]

HeHe you are definitely right, I'm definitely not the sort of person who would say anything when they used my work again, suffice to say I would have a great feeling of self satisfaction. I guess I didn't mean ring up and say "my photos are ok now hey?" I just meant it would be a fantastic feeling. I agree Dwight

[DwightMcCann]

HeHe you are definitely right, I'm definitely not the sort of person who would say anything when they used my work again, suffice to say I would have a great feeling of self satisfaction. I guess I didn't mean ring up and say "my photos are ok now hey?" I just meant it would be a fantastic feeling. I agree Dwight
Truth to tell, I never suspected you meant anything else ... you're too good a tog to have to go that route!

[tipsy]

So i cant ring up my old chum Zeus and ask him to smite some pretentious art editors with lightning bolts?

Oh well, satisfaction it is, if it ever happens...

[DwightMcCann]

So i cant ring up my old chum Zeus and ask him to smite some pretentious art editors with lightning bolts?

Oh well, satisfaction it is, if it ever happens...
Yes, we are suggesting that you take the high road, always, in life. ;)