sale for single photo and license issues

[roundsquare1]

OK, so I cringe to think that I am asking a common question but I searched and read the forum pretty well and didn't see exactly what I was looking for so I figured I would just ask.

I finally got some interest in my shots and a company wanted to purchase the photo for use in a potential future ad.

Please let me know what ***** needs to do to officially purchase the photo from you to use in future ads, etc

There MIGHT be future work down the road through this company so I didn't want to get as much as I can and shoot myself in the foot so I am willing to work with them on price.

I have read somewhere that I should sell the the rights to use the photo for a period of time and after that time frame they need to purchase it again or do I just sell them the photo right out for $300 and let the do what they want with it.

I read that if I sell it to them that they don't have to credit me or that I can state it in the terms of the agreement.

Where can I find the paper work to do this transaction? Is there a site?

Now the photo they want is of cyclist but he's using their water bottles with their name on it (that's why they want to buy it). If it's at a public race do I or did I need a release or is that something they need to take care of?

I personally am happy with getting $300-$400 for the shot, getting more work from them in the future and getting my external battery pack with the money.

[chakalakasp]

If the photo is of a recognisable cyclist drinking water out of a bottle with their logo on it and they plan to use it in an advertisement, then you will need to get a model release from the cyclist -- otherwise they and you will almost certainly get sued when the cyclist sees himself promoting something he never agreed to promote.

If you PM me with your email address, I can email you a PDF of a chapter from an e-book put out by the ASMP (American Society of Media Photographers) that outlines how to create a contract for these kinds of sales. The e-book was free on their website somewhere, but I can't find a link to it any more for the life of me. :)

You also want to know what the company plans to use the image for. How many products, adverts, etc. You can't realistically quote them a price until they tell you what they want to use it for. If they want rights to use it for anything they want on God's green earth for a few years, you're looking at five figures.

[roundsquare1]

If the photo is of a recognisable cyclist drinking water out of a bottle with their logo on it and they plan to use it in an advertisement, then you will need to get a model release from the cyclist -- otherwise they and you will almost certainly get sued when the cyclist sees himself promoting something he never agreed to promote.

If you PM me with your email address, I can email you a PDF of a chapter from an e-book put out by the ASMP (American Society of Media Photographers) that outlines how to create a contract for these kinds of sales. The e-book was free on their website somewhere, but I can't find a link to it any more for the life of me. :)

You also want to know what the company plans to use the image for. How many products, adverts, etc. You can't realistically quote them a price until they tell you what they want to use it for. If they want rights to use it for anything they want on God's green earth for a few years, you're looking at five figures.

That's exactly what I needed to know.

This is the photo

http://larryrosa.com/mclanePRO/McLane_2007-03-04_IMG_0420.jpg

the cyclist is sponsored by GU, that's why he HAS to have those bottles on his bike in a race.

I'll PM you.

[donlavange]

Nice photo. . . great position on the bike!

[roundsquare1]

Nice photo. . . great position on the bike!

Thanks,

I like the first one better but you can't see the water bottles

http://larryrosa.com/mclanePRO

[PhotosGuy]

There MIGHT be future work down the road through this company so I didn't want to get as much as I can and shoot myself in the foot so I am willing to work with them on price. :D I can't tell you how many times I've heard that?
I have read somewhere that I should sell the the rights to use the photo for a period of time and after that time frame they need to purchase it again... You never know how long a nice shot like that will run? So that would be my plan.

ASMP Pricing Strategies (American Society of Media Photographers_
http://www.asmp.org/commerce/digitalps_6.php

NPPA: Cost of Doing Business Calculator
http://www.nppa.org/professional_development/business_practices/cdb/

New! See "Day rate against space" in NUJ Freelance Fees Guide. This is oriented toward UK photographers, but the info should be of general interest to everyone.
http://media.gn.apc.org/feesguide/photo.html

[transcend]

Ok well I work pretty exclusively in the bike industry, so PM me if you want.

Did you have accreditation for the race? If so check yoru contract, and the registration of the athlete. At MOST races, the athletes sign away all rights to their image when they register, from amateur through pro. IE: I can shoot world cups and use the athletes images all day to sell to sponsors or 3rd parties because they have waived their rights as participants.

If he is sponsored by GU, they have every right to use his image, he signed away his rights when he signed his sponsorship contract (I have dozens of those here if you need to see them). You can ask GU to be sure if you want to see his specific contract.

Also, you won't get much more than $350 for a full page ad, single print run, single publication. That is about going rate right now in the cycling industry. Road stuff may pay a bit higher as I am used to MTB. Whoever said 5 figures for packaging deals is dreaming in technicolor (and in anothger industry). Will not ever happen in the Cycling industry unless you are dealing with an outside sponsor (Oakley, Sierra Nevada, Kodak, Mercury etc).